What Coppie did - A thread listing Police road accidents and bad driving

[Pixie]

Their appears to be some that are in denial as to how bad Police driving attitudes and skills are.
In the "The police are killing us again" thread it seems there are many instances of unsafe U- turns by police,more than I ever expected.Then there are the actual accidents they have resulted in.

So post your accounts here so we can see what risks or "Road Safety Enforcers" pose the NZ road user.

Edit: I said post your accounts of bad driving,not discuss whether you like cops uniforms.Sheesh,it's like herding cats)

[trustme]

Why don't you start a thread

' What the Biker did, a list of accidents & near misses you have had with fellow motorcyclists.'

I wonder which would be bigger.

[Pixie]

I'll start.

The Buller gorge U-turn . Two riders badly injured.One near fatally.
I have witnessed an insane U-turn in heavy rush hour traffic,across three lanes of traffic.this was just north of the Marsden Pt turn off on SH 1.And it was a Policewoman,so it can't just be put down to a testicular problem.
Add to that,having to avoid a head-on with a lazy copy cutting corners on a winding section of SH16.

[Pixie]

Why don't you start a thread

' What the Biker did, a list of accidents & near misses you have had with fellow motorcyclists.'

I wonder which would be bigger.

Good idea.
You do it

[Love my Bonnie]

How about riding along the open road at 110, minding your own business, enjoying th eday, when a truck cop jumps out from behind a truck into the middle of the road waving his arms. FUCKEN IDIOT!!!!!!
Locked the brakes & just about run the fucker over. Not sure who got the biggest fright, me or him.
All he wanted was to see who I was, coz hes seen me riding my bike & he didnt know who I was. Nosey cunt!

[Jonno.]

Why don't you start a thread

' What the Biker did, a list of accidents & near misses you have had with fellow motorcyclists.'

I wonder which would be bigger.
.
Get a clue.

[Ixion]

OK. Both these happened within about a year of the Buller gorge incident. Which is why I remember them - normally I forget that sort of shit quickly, happens too often to dwell on. There would have been many others over the years but these two I remember , because at the time I thought "The stupid bastards have learned absolutely nothing". And I should say that in both cases, I suffered nothing worse than a WTF moment. The spidey had spooky sensed what was happening in plenty of time

Puttering along the road, go round a blindish bend - slow a bit, as I do, just in case, maybe a bit more than usual cos the spidey was muttering at me. Round the bend is a cop car. No lights or siren. In my lane, facing the same way as me, doing about maybe 60kph.

Which in itself, would be neither here nor there. Except, that the cop was in reverse. Heading backward toward me, at a good rate of knots. The "able to stop" formula doesn't handle that. He had his head stuck out the drivers window, peering backward.

Took me a moment to grasp what he was doing, y' don't expect that sort of idiocy, certainly not from a cop. I pulled into the edge of the road (fortunately a wideish one with good shoulders). He shot past me, backwards, and backed round that blind corner. Lucky no one was behind me, eh. I'm sure he never saw me at all. Oh, did I mention that this was in the rain, on wet roads, with crap visibility. No he didn't have any lights on at all (except the reversing ones)

Second one. Trundling down the motorway. I'm in lane two of three. In my mirror I see a cop car coming up from behind in lane three (far right one) . He's going fastish, maybe a bit over the limit, nothing major. No lights, no sirens. The road ahead of him was clear, and as he didn't have lights or sirens on, I continued on my way in lane two, heading toward a motorway off ramp a bit ahead (y' can see where this is going).

Spidey didn't like that cop one little bit, so I slowed a bit and went to orange alert. Next thing I know cop has flung himself across the motorway,cleared me by maybe a foot in front of me AFTER I hit the brakes hard. The guy in the cage in lane one got a worse fright and only just managed a stop (yep, he had to fully stop to avoid hitting the cop). Smoking tyres, the works. Cop shot off up the off ramp, turned his lights on once he was on the ramp.

Now, both of these had the potential to kill or seriously injure me. Both of them I was well within the speed limit. Both of them, the only reason I didn't get hurt was cos I've got a really good spidey. But not every rider has a spidey , and it takes a lot of years to train them.

[shrub]

Easter my son was home from the army and we were riding along Marshlands rd, him on his 675 me on the T Bird, following PC Plod in his Commode. I'm well back from PC Plod because I just don't like being around him and his mates (old habits etc), and he suddenly pulled over to the left, giving me a baaaaad feeling, so i hit the brakes and son followed suit. Suddenly our noble defender of widows and children puts on his lights and does a U turn in front of us and chases after someone going the other way.

I bet he gave the miscreant heading the other way a stern lecture about safety!!!

[slofox]

How about riding along the open road at 110, minding your own business, enjoying th eday, when a truck cop jumps out from behind a truck into the middle of the road waving his arms. FUCKEN IDIOT!!!!!!
Locked the brakes & just about run the fucker over. Not sure who got the biggest fright, me or him.
All he wanted was to see who I was, coz hes seen me riding my bike & he didnt know who I was. Nosey cunt!

Nah - he just thought you were HOT!!! :whistle:

[Skinon]

Ya' know the problem with the pigs? It's pretty easy really... They are just Humans.

Unfortunately most humans are retarded sheep.
Some of these retarded sheep join the biggest gang in NZ
Then they think because they wear the gayest gang uniform in the world and have had 'special' training, they suddenly think this magical uniform there wearing somehow makes them better than the rest of us, and able to talk completely down to people who have no RIGHT to argue back.
How many times have you been called a fuckwit or huge range of words from these 'professional' gangmembers, and when you say anything back its court time baby!

aaaaaaaaaaaanyway thats my little rant, and yes im going thru court at the moment on a unrelated charge.... so i have recently been thru it all.
Some of our laws are soooo stupid what ever happened to the law of common sense? GONE!

meh sorry for the off topic post, just been reading heaps about the filth lately on here, just fucks me off what they get away with and some of the attitudes they have should be considered conflicts of interest to protecting the public and they should be fired and humiliated like they were at school, before they decided to be a PIG

[SMOKEU]

Once a me and a mate of mine were driving down Moorehouse Ave at about 55kmh. We had a green light and just as we were about to go through the intersection, a cop car came flying through the intersection, running a red light at a speed of at least 60kmh. No siren, just red and blues. My mate slammed on the brakes and we narrowly avoided a collision.

[rustic101]

Rather than bitching on KB where you may get a lot of attention but no action you do the following:

Complain to the IPCA - about police practices, policies, and procedures.


What is ‘practice, policy and procedure’

The Police are required to follow General Instructions and a range of other policies and directives from the Commissioner and their District Commanders.

When the Authority considers complaints, it considers whether there have been any breaches of these instructions and directives.

Breaches of practice, policy and procedure can range from trivial to serious. Sometimes, even if the Authority does not find misconduct or neglect of duty, it does find breaches of Police policies.

The link is - http://www.ipca.govt.nz/tools/email.aspx?SECT=complaints

or

Complete a Roadwatch form - reporting the bad driving/ behaviour..

The link is - https://forms.police.govt.nz/forms/online-community-roadwatch-report/9

Guys we can bitch and moan on here all we like, none of which is going to keep us safer. If we are serious about our safety and are that concerned start reporting the bad/ dangerous behaviour so that appropriate action can be taken.

I would strongly suggest that if enough information is obtained the sheer arrogance and denial of Road Policing will change.

Some on here will say; 'I'm not narking', or 'yeah right, like they will take it seriously'....

Believe me each of these methods are taken very seriously. We do not want more cases going through the Coronial Service and in the sad event this happens at least there will be solid data to back up a shift in procedures..

The recent death of Paul is a very political matter in some ivory towers at the moment. Lets keep the pressure on them and hold them to account or at the very least get an active education and awareness programme like the Victorian Police have around motorcycle safety - I want value for money if they increased my ACC levies .

[CookMySock]

U turned right in front of me and another car. No lights, no warning, no brain! Car in front of me crash braked to miss him and came to a complete halt in his lane, me narrowly avoiding him. :weird:

Steve

[Skinon]

You should be allowed the right to follow the piggy and beat him to death with a 14'inch dildo

[Wannabiker]

can you *555 a cop car??

[rustic101]

Yes - However I would not bother calling *555, if his/her driving is that bad or dangerous call 111

[Big Dave]

Cool.

All of my dealings with the NZ Police have been cordial and polite and I have generally received lenient treatment with a cautions to booking ratio at about 40%-60%.

No action by a NZ Policeman has caused any undue hazzard to my person that I can recall or am aware of.

[scumdog]

Can I start a thread on bad driving by non police peole?

Or would that overload the site?

[Mom]

Have to say I have no real issues with plod either. Have had 2 speeding tickets in my life, one I deserved no questions, no defense, no nothing. Cops were polite, booked me etc. The other one I was a bit ticked off with receiving, the cop was supercillious and over bearing (some may chose to read that as "a wanker") but hey, shit happens.

[Big Dave]

Have to say I have no real issues with plod either. Have had 2 speeding tickets in my life, one I deserved no questions, no defense, no nothing. Cops were polite, booked me etc. The other one I was a bit ticked off with receiving, the cop was supercillious and over bearing (some may chose to read that as "a wanker") but hey, shit happens.

I don't doubt that some of the guys here have had an unfair reaming. I've also seen 'some' of their 'tude in person and it's not particularly surprising.

Personally, never got one I didn't deserve and didn't get a few I did deserve.

PS - Sales and life skills coaching available at attractive rates.

[Ixion]

Cool.

All of my dealings with the NZ Police have been cordial and polite and I have generally received lenient treatment with a cautions to booking ratio at about 40%-60%.

No action by a NZ Policeman has caused any undue hazzard to my person that I can recall or am aware of.

Thaz not the point though. You got a spidey. No cop has caused undue hazard to my person neither (well, not on road anyway). But thaz cos I got a spidey too. But, not everybody has a spidey , and some aren't very spooky.

[rustic101]

One question I have is -

Where is the Leadership from either BRONZ or Ulysses?

Each of these two organisations lobbied during the ACC campaign to lower levies. What are each actively doing to change things, and not just referring to recent events but the overall safety of motorcyclists? Drunk Drivers, Intersections and Speed feature highly in Police, NZTA, ACC and LTSA advertising but yet not one single consideration has been given to motorcyclists. Why?

Simply put (IMO) if a a rider dies or is injured its normally; a single event, is their fault or does not have the graphic impact of a vehicle accident! Politicians do not care as the impacts of one or two riders dying or being injured are far less visible than cars or other vehicles.

So what?.... So how do we change this? Again IMHO it needs to be driven (cuse the pun) from each of those two organisations working together for all riders through positive, effective leadership and a drive to make change.

[Mom]

Thaz not the point though. You got a spidey. No cop has caused undue hazard to my person neither (well, not on road anyway). But thaz cos I got a spidey too. But, not everybody has a spidey , and some aren't very spooky.

See I think my spidey is very well developed, infact I credit it with saving my life a few times, wish it could have saved me from the most embarrasing ticket I have ever received. I was so broke I had to borrow the money from my habitual speeding brother (that I used to give total berries to for doing so) to pay that speeding fine :pinch:

[Smifffy]

A few years back I did the Holden Advance Driver training course at Puke. Great course - highly recommended. The chief instructor used to be involved with driving instruction for the police. He told us that he left because he felt that despite all of the training, their accident rate was rising. He told us that he was tasked with investigating training methods elsewhere in the world, but that the hierarchy refused to believe that there is a better way to do things. He was convinced that they were using an outmoded model, and decided to go private.

That's what he said.

[ZX12R Hoon]

One question I have is -

Where is the Leadership from either BRONZ or Ulysses?

Each of these two organisations lobbied during the ACC campaign to lower levies. What are each actively doing to change things, and not just referring to recent events but the overall safety of motorcyclists? Drunk Drivers, Intersections and Speed feature highly in Police, NZTA, ACC and LTSA advertising but yet not one single consideration has been given to motorcyclists. Why?

Simply put (IMO) if a a rider dies or is injured its normally; a single event, is their fault or does not have the graphic impact of a vehicle accident! Politicians do not care as the impacts of one or two riders dying or being injured are far less visible than cars or other vehicles.

So what?.... So how do we change this? Again IMHO it needs to be driven (cuse the pun) from each of those two organisations working together for all riders through positive, effective leadership and a drive to make change.

I can't speak for BRONZ but I'm the Ulysses National Secretary so I am right in amongst it Ulysses-wise.
Our policy during the ACC campaign late last year was to lobby and pressurise as much as possible at the people who were attacking bike riders, that there was no point in antagonising or inconvieniecing other road users because there was no great profit from that. As well a lot of car and truck drivers were sympathetic to our cause, why turn them away from us? Because of that it seems that Ulysses appeared to many to be lacking in it's response. The fact of the matter is that the Club was heavily involved in politicing, and quite honestly I beleive that we were very effective in putting the case to the media and government. Sometimes it's the quiet background work that is mainly unseen that is the most effective. We now have a good relationship with people who can make a difference. As well, at present we are working towards the formation of a collective group of motorcycle interest groups, we have called it The Federation of Motorcyclists just to give it a name for now. I personally have sent out invitations to as many National level bike clubs and organisations as I could find as well as talking to a number of Kiwi biker people asking them to form a representative group to join in, Bronz, Classic bikes, Goldwing, red Knights, Ducati, Triumph, HOG, WIMA, Italian Bike, Scooter Clubs, Honda Riders , and so on. Ulysses is offering to pay to hire a conference room and provide lunch to bring reps from all these groups together and form a "Federation" which can then truly claim to represent a huge percentage of the biking community in NZ on any issues which concern us all. It is definitely not envisaged as a Ulysses led group, we simply want to get a meeting together to get it started and we want to be part of it. We see this as an essencial way forward. Everyone says quite rightly that Bikers are the picked-on group, Ulysses say that this is because we don't have a representitive body, car drivers do, truckies do, we don't, so we are the easy target. There are heaps of issues when you think about it, ACC levies, pathetic licencing training requirements, Rode codes for bikes with rediculous errors in them, slippery white lines on the road, the 70kph rule for learners, the 250cc learner bike rule, no-one is listening because we are fragmented. As well Ulysses actually has a good relationship with the road sfaety side of ACC, we are deploying a Mentoring program throughout the country which is open to all motorcyclists not just our members, and we are developing relationships directly with Australian Motorcycle safety groups and initiatives. There is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes, quietly, but very effectively. We (Bikers) have to pat ourselves on the back for our efforts during the latest ACC campaign but just think how much more effective we could have been if we had a National representitive group for Government, NGO's, and media to talk to, Ulysses is working hard to address that right now.

[scumdog]

A few years back I did the Holden Advance Driver training course at Puke. Great course - highly recommended. The chief instructor used to be involved with driving instruction for the police. He told us that he left because he felt that despite all of the training, their accident rate was rising. He told us that he was tasked with investigating training methods elsewhere in the world, but that the hierarchy refused to believe that there is a better way to do things. He was convinced that they were using an outmoded model, and decided to go private.

That's what he said.

About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...:shutup:

[Toaster]

About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...:shutup:

Not different to glock and M4 re-training, the driving stuff should get harder and better quality... recertification to drive every say 5 years? Make it tough like the brits training? but hey thats costs money.... like CIB.... unlike HP the cash cow.

[ZX12R Hoon]

This is a copy of the invitation letter sent out early March. The response has been slow but we now have a number of groups pledging to come to the meeting. I am now ringing the other groups and establishing contact with them to find out why they havent responded or why they don't want to join in.-- if you support the idea talk to your Club and tell them. At the bottom of the letter there is a list of receivers, if there are any National level groups we have missed let me know and I'll send an invite to them.

06 March 2010
Re: Federation of New Zealand Motorcycle Clubs

On 13 February 2010 the National Committee of The Ulysses Club of New Zealand Inc. met in Wellington. We had previously discussed the ACC levies campaign and felt that, although the protests and other actions of bikers throughout the country had proved effective, there was little coordination of events with no single clear agenda.

Unlike other motoring groups we do not have a national organisation representing motorcyclists. We believe that having such an organisation would provide us with a strong and coherent voice.

The time is right to form a Federation of New Zealand Motorcycle Clubs. The main focus would be to give bikers a national focus and to establish good communication channels with its member clubs and motorcycle-related groups, the media, ACC, government and non-government agencies and Government itself.

We are contacting all national motorcycle clubs to gauge support for the formation of this federation. The Ulysses Club is prepared to fund the hire of a suitable venue in Wellington to host the meeting. Lunch will be provided. All other expenses would be met by your own club or representative(s).

We ask that you consider this proposal and give us an indication within two weeks of receipt of this letter of your interest in attending the meeting. We also propose that the meeting should be held within two months from the date of this letter.

We welcome your suggestions for agenda items and recommend that each club send one or two representatives. Please advise us of any National Clubs that are not included in the following list

Your replies are welcome by email to secretary@ulysses.org.nz


On behalf of the National Committee

Howard Mansell
National Secretary
The Ulysses Club of New Zealand Inc.

List of recipients.

BMW Owners Register
Red Knights
Motorcycling NZ
NZ Classic Motorcycle Racing Register
Honda Riders Club
Hog (Wellington)
Bike Italian
Buell Riders Club of New Zealand
BRONZ
WIMA
Triumph Owners MC
Ducati Owners Club of New Zealand
Gold Wing Road Riders
Vespa Club of New Zealand
RATS

[Big Dave]

The Federation of Motorcyclists just to give it a name for now.

I believe that if it is in motorcyclist's political interest or a Political matter it should be under the BRONZ banner.
Several of the Orgs are already members or affiliated in some way - and the infrastructure and incorporation is already in place.
Further representation would be welcome.

It also has a constitution that represents all bikers. Or tries to.

Some of them - HOG eg - are specifically non political.

[Smifffy]

About the only time cops get training in NZ is when they go through the Police College - must be a good course 'cos it has to last up to 20 years or more...:shutup:

Looks like it is good for 20 years or so - seems like the 30 year veterans are the ones who are slipping up.

[CHOPPA]

Did anyone bother to read the question at the start of the thread?

[onearmedbandit]

Did anyone bother to read the question at the start of the thread?

That's a trick question!! There is no question in the first post!

[Big Dave]

Did anyone bother to read the question at the start of the thread?

Cop Chop, the cop thread thread cop.

[rustic101]

This
RATS

Howard,

Appreciate your reply in both messages. However there is a clear lack of perceived visibility - I certainly agree that there needs to be a National Body, however at present every man/woman and their dog is trying to represent.. There was a chap I talked to in ChCh who was also looking at setting up a National Body at which time I offered my assistance, to date, nothing.

From my perspective - most individuals on here are extremely quick to jump on the band wagon or point the finger before the full facts are known (fact). To be honest most are full of gusto and lack the ability to back up or carry through there thoughts or actions, in most cases I'll stop short of calling some posters childish. The work that your team and BRONZ did as well as most riders to tackle the ACC issue was fantastic - I know, as I was also deeply entrenched in that. However that was one issue which was always a hiding to none as we (motorcyclists) were used as a political tool and we played right into their hands...

In order to put all the drama, finger pointing, blame game and name calling to one side, motorcyclists need one credible voice. Leadership and unity is the only way to be taken seriously. Regardless of who forms this it needs to be done to give credibility to our cause, more importantly to improve our safety. It needs to conducted in a professional and business like manor.

One of my beliefs is; 'you can either be part of the problem or part of the solution' - We (motorcyclists) need to raise our profile and tackle matters of concern to us at a higher level and ensure that we keep the pressure on across a range of areas. To do that we need to get along side all sectors of Government agencies to get them working for us not against us. This also applies to the motorcycle industry, and I'm not just talking about the local bike shop down the road, I'm talking the brands.

I am not a member of either of the bodies mentioned, however again I offer my knowledge, skills and time.

Again this is about all riders not just KB, BRONZ or Ulysses.

Your thoughts

[ZX12R Hoon]

Rustic101. Yes, we were used as a political tool. Yes the response from most bikers and Biker organisations was amasing (we had media people telling us that they were amased that we kept the issue in the media so long). Yes we absoluty need a professional, respectable body to represent us, in fact yes, I agree with what you have said.
Who should be on the body that represents us is the big question and if you read my letter to the other bike groups it pretty well tells you my opinion on that. Actually its not "my" letter, it was worked up by myself and Peter McIntosh with input from the rest of the National Committee. I guess there will always be disagreement about who should represent us (bikers) but if we get reps from all the bike groups then to me that's more representative than having one group, take any other group in the frame for instance, they represent the members who have joined their organisation so that means that they don't represent the vast majority. That includes BRONZ. Kiwibiker is probably the biggest but they have no structure of representation, I talked to Mom and a group of other Kiwibiker guys and suggested that they form some sort of pricipal group but I've heard nothing back. I can't think of another or better way than to bring all the bike groups together into one room and thrash this out, thats why Ulysses have gone down this path, and are willing to put their money where their mouth is. It's why I spent many hours writing letters and finding all the national groups and their contacts, it's why I spent a lot of time recently on the phone talking to the groups who haven't answered.

[trustme]

Did anyone bother to read the question at the start of the thread?

It started as a bullshit whinge thread , good stuff is coming out in the last few posts, leave them alone to actually get on with positive stuff.

Sorry , whingeing is much more fun isn't it, as someone who was on Bronz in the very very early days I know just how unfun trying to make a difference can be. Although sending all the bald tyres to parliament house WAS fun & a bloody effective shit stir that ultimately achieved nothing ,In retrospect it did effectively get Bronz off the ground & active so something was achieved.

[Pixie]

I forgot one in post 2:
Being followed,on the Mangawhai rd,in the dark,by a police ute at 100 kmh, who sits 2 metres off my rear wheel and refuses to pass when I give him the opportunity.
Perhaps trying to elicit a speeding offence from me?
I called the sergeant at Wellsford the next day and the culprit got his arse served to him.
Apparently, the excuse given for following so close was that he was trying to pass.

[Pixie]

Ya' know the problem with the pigs? It's pretty easy really... They are just Humans.



I would have preferred that this thread remained just an account of riders' experiences without the justifications and excuses.
But since you brought it up.....
The quoted comment above is what I call the "Kiwi justification".
Along with "everyone makes mistakes", "They are just Humans" is the typical half arsed NZ attitude to professionalism and doing a job properly,espoused in the "she'll be right philosophy".

When this philosophy is applied to behaviours that can result in death it is totally unacceptable.Those found to have this attitude should be dismissed from their jobs forthwith.They can go and do something in the janitorial field,where the risk of killing innocent people is much lower.
Would you accept "everyone makes mistakes", "They are just Humans" to excuse airliner crashes?The international civil aviation authorities don't.

[scumdog]

I forgot one in post 2:
Being followed,on the Mangawhai rd,in the dark,by a police ute at 100 kmh, who sits 2 metres off my rear wheel and refuses to pass when I give him the opportunity.
Perhaps trying to elicit a speeding offence from me?
I called the sergeant at Wellsford the next day and the culprit got his arse served to him.
Apparently, the excuse given for following so close was that he was trying to pass.

So why don't more do as you did - report the incident to the local cop shop?

Oh, that's right this is KB so: "Cos nothing will be done/happen etc" is the most common comment here.......

[Pixie]

I just thought of another couple of boo boos:
The two cop cars that collided at the intersection of Balmoral rd and Sandringham rd in the early hours a few years ago - they were going to the same callout (probably the only 24 hr donut shop in town)

And the car that was driven off the causeway on the way to Whangarei airport (Onerahi?) into the mangroves one sunny afternoon.

[Pixie]

Can I start a thread on bad driving by non police peole?

Or would that overload the site?

Sure can Scummy.
But check with the poster of post #2 he may have beaten you to it.
By the way - you don't need to ask permission.:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

Sure can Scummy.
But check with the poster of post #2 he may have beaten you to it.
By the way - you don't need to ask permission.:2thumbsup

Ta!

Funny but I got red-repped for asking that question - by somebody who hasn't even posted on this thread yet (from memory) - some people have no sense of humour eh!

[EJK]

Police officers catch bad people so that we can be safe to play in the playground

[Bald Eagle]

A few years back I did the Holden Advance Driver training course at Puke. Great course - highly recommended. The chief instructor used to be involved with driving instruction for the police. He told us that he left because he felt that despite all of the training, their accident rate was rising. He told us that he was tasked with investigating training methods elsewhere in the world, but that the hierarchy refused to believe that there is a better way to do things. He was convinced that they were using an outmoded model, and decided to go private.

That's what he said.
They used to have a two week full time driving course and driving school with ex London Met instructors. Very high quality training. Done away with to save money I 'spect.

[Pixie]

It started as a bullshit whinge thread , good stuff is coming out in the last few posts, leave them alone to actually get on with positive stuff.

Sorry , whingeing is much more fun isn't it, as someone who was on Bronz in the very very early days I know just how unfun trying to make a difference can be. Although sending all the bald tyres to parliament house WAS fun & a bloody effective shit stir that ultimately achieved nothing ,In retrospect it did effectively get Bronz off the ground & active so something was achieved.

Actually it is not a whinge thread,or maybe one with a purpose.
I would like to end up with a list showing just how common bad driving practices are amongst the Police and perhaps get some action regarding training or change the "rabid dog" ticketing policies.

[Pixie]

So why don't more do as you did - report the incident to the local cop shop?

Oh, that's right this is KB so: "Cos nothing will be done/happen etc" is the most common comment here.......

See post #38

[scumdog]

Actually it is not a whinge thread,or maybe one with a purpose.
I would like to end up with a list showing just how common bad driving practices are amongst the Police and perhaps get some action regarding training or change the "rabid dog" ticketing policies.

Just look at what the general public do....and it's bound to follow that certain cops will drive the same.

BTW people, 'cops' include Youth Aid, LREP and various factions whose goal/focus is not traffic duties, they're just driving to their various appointments..

[Usarka]

So why don't more do as you did - report the incident to the local cop shop?

Oh, that's right this is KB so: "Cos nothing will be done/happen etc" is the most common comment here.......

Didn't have time to get the rego when the cop u-turned in front of me.

Would be treated the same as rocking up to the cop shop and saying "a blue van cut me off".

[terbang]

Can I start a thread on bad driving by non police peole?


A peole..? I've got one of those too, gets a lot of work when I'm drinking beer. :shutup:

[aff-man]

Ok I have been treated fairly and not to fairly in my encounters with the police, but on the whole have found them helpful, informative and only one one occasion an arse. But this thread is not about the attitude of police towards us/ when speaking with us it (to my understanding) is about risks they take on the road which endanger us... especially when we are vulnerable enough with the stupid driving of everyday NZdr's
If we are holding them to a higher standard then yes they should definately NOT be doing some of the things they do....

Seen a couple U-turns that are silly but not directly affected me but the 2 instances that cheesed me off was...
1 - Bike cop no lights or sirens on motorway came flying passed me in the same lane, close enough for narrowly avoid my mirror and his.

2- about 2 months ago coming home at night with the missus on the back through some pretty serious roadwaorks, was only doing about 25 (hate roadworks and it was night) see mr plod with lights (no siren) coming up behind me so pull over left as far as possible and slow to 20km/h for him to pass. Comes flying passed me at about 80 close enough to nick my jacket with his wing mirror and continues on subsiquently spraying me with dirst and gravel... Now I didn't see his rego or anything and not sure what the procedure is but he almost took us out. Now I was pretty pissed off, not only because he almost cleaned us out but because he gave my GF a pretty big scare as she didn't even see him coming. Could have ended badly if he had been like 20-30mm closer..

[Pixie]

But Aff-man,he was only human or maybe he made a mistake

[trustme]

Actually it is not a whinge thread,or maybe one with a purpose.
I would like to end up with a list showing just how common bad driving practices are amongst the Police and perhaps get some action regarding training or change the "rabid dog" ticketing policies.

I accept your intention , but you/we/motorcyclists have no credibility. We need to clean up our own act first before pointing the finger.
I have driven cars/trucks & ridden for over 35years, never felt I was endangered by a copper although I have seen some piss poor driving. I wish I could say the same of cars ,motorbikes & my pet hate bloody cyclists.
We as motorcyclists seem to have this idea that all other road users are morons, only we have the tremendous skill & ability that enables us to display a totally cavalier attitude to the road rules, the safety of others & even ourselves, only we have are capable enough to treat the public roads as a race track.
For my money , Bronz / Ulys or whoever need to try & change our own attitude & riding first to get some crediblity & then we can start to criticise others, of course this is not sexy with many riders because we know better, & for as long as we point the finger at everyone but ourselves we will continue too be over represented in accident statistics which is why with the greatest of respect I think threads like this are a futile waste of time.
Just a different point of view .

[glegge]

I got this as well but he jumped out from behind a tree.
coming back from palmy to wellington years back. idiot was looking to be run over.
all he wanted to do was say 'got you speeding - tickets in the mail' then he went back to hide behind his tree.
DICKS!

How about riding along the open road at 110, minding your own business, enjoying th eday, when a truck cop jumps out from behind a truck into the middle of the road waving his arms. FUCKEN IDIOT!!!!!!
Locked the brakes & just about run the fucker over. Not sure who got the biggest fright, me or him.
All he wanted was to see who I was, coz hes seen me riding my bike & he didnt know who I was. Nosey cunt!

[Ixion]

Just look at what the general public do....and it's bound to follow that certain cops will drive the same.

BTW people, 'cops' include Youth Aid, LREP and various factions whose goal/focus is not traffic duties, they're just driving to their various appointments..

Ah, no. Police are granted enourmous privileges, compared to the general public. The counter of that is that they are expected to maintain a higher standard of behaviour than the general public. That applies to driving as well as other things. If police drivers are only going to be of the same standard as the general public, then they must lose those privileges (which includes the privilege of handing out tickets)

[Spearfish]

where are all the rivet counting stats men?

How many call outs completed per crash?
How many crashes per police population compared to bikers?
Time of day
Yearly trends...
Model of police car
What tread depth was left
The mileage
Mufti v marked
Total value of what the fine would have been if the car hadn't crashed compared to the repair of said crash...
How many times bikers get away with something compared to getting pinged..(ooops wrong thread)
Gender of crashee..
Age of crashee...
Time in service of crashee...
How many times crashee completes a (P1? not sure of term) job unnoticed compared to uncompleted because of public bin.
Its a rhetorical question..I would want to disturb the private moment stats men have with a rolled up tube of paper and their favourite chain lube...

[aff-man]

But Aff-man,he was only human or maybe he made a mistake

Hence me saying are we going to hold them to a higher standard....
human or not going at pace dangerously close to a motorcycle at night through roadworks is not making a mistake seeing as he had heaps of time to see me. It's dangerous driving.

[MSTRS]

Just look at what the general public do....and it's bound to follow that certain cops will drive the same.

BTW people, 'cops' include Youth Aid, LREP and various factions whose goal/focus is not traffic duties, they're just driving to their various appointments..
What the general public do should have no bearing on the driving/roadcraft standards of cops.
As for the various sections of the farce...if they are in a marked car, then they are all just cops to us. Makes no difference whether they are HP or not. Since we can't tell the difference from GD to HP to Whover.

[Ixion]

I forgot one in post 2:
Being followed,on the Mangawhai rd,in the dark,by a police ute at 100 kmh, who sits 2 metres off my rear wheel and refuses to pass when I give him the opportunity.
Perhaps trying to elicit a speeding offence from me?
.

Oh, I forgot that one. Was only a couple of months ago. Tootling down the Southern, lightish traffic, but I'm quite legal. Up ahead, cop car parked beside the road, as they do. Back off a bit, although I was under the limit anyway. Pass the cop, and check my mirror, he's pulling out. Hm.

He comes up behind me, and sits maybe 2 foot from my tail light. Hm. Change lanes (indicators, shoulder check, all by the book). Hm, he's changed too, still two foot (max) from my rear.Change back into origianl lane, yep he's still behind me. Hm. I know this game, it's not going to work Charlie. Stay at 95 kph. By the book

Get to my off ramp, down ramp, he's still behind me. Lights at bottom, turn (all by the book) , he turns behind me, still 18 inches or so behind. Stay at constant 48 kph. Another lights, stop (even gave a stop hand signal). Turn and glare at him, he stares straight ahead. Green light , start off, 48 kph, cop peels off in a (dodgy) U turn, back onto the motorway.

Now, most of us now what he was up to - intimidating me in the hope I'd speed up to "get him off my tail'. I know this game, and it's not going to work with me. But it does work with less suspicious folk, and it is pretty common.

Yamaha looks smaller than a 600, lots of folk think it's a 250. I guess he thought I was a novice, and easy quota.

This sort of shit happens far far too often.

[onearmedbandit]

So did you report it?

[bogan]

For my money , Bronz / Ulys or whoever need to try & change our own attitude & riding first to get some crediblity & then we can start to criticise others, of course this is not sexy with many riders because we know better, & for as long as we point the finger at everyone but ourselves we will continue too be over represented in accident statistics which is why with the greatest of respect I think threads like this are a futile waste of time.
Just a different point of view .

So if bikers have some bad riders, we can't critisise anyone else, but if cops have some bad drivers than can just carry on critisising our driving/riding? (in the form of tickets obviously) Seems a bit one sided to me.

[Ixion]

So did you report it?

To what purpose? And to whom ? His word against mine, all that would do would be to make me a marked man for the future. Reporting cops is a dangerous business, do it and every cop in the district will have your rego number clipped to his sun visor. Expect to be stopped, lots. And TBH I couldn't be arsed, it didn't frazzle me.

[onearmedbandit]

To what purpose? And to whom ? His word against mine, all that would do would be to make me a marked man for the future. Reporting cops is a dangerous business, do it and every cop in the district will have your rego number clipped to his sun visor. Expect to be stopped, lots. And TBH I couldn't be arsed, it didn't frazzle me.

I know if a cop car was traveling behind me only 2ft off my back tyre I would've pulled off the road, hoping he'd follow and I could ask him why he is doing so, failing that at least I've removed myself from a very serious dangerous situation (2ft is so ridiculous I almost find it hard to believe), get his rego and report it. You must live in a very paranoid world if you think that 'every cop will have your rego number clipped to his sun visor'.

[Ixion]

Uh, no, big mistake. This was on a motorway. Stopping on a motorway, except in emergency, taht's an offence,he's got you. That's what he's trying to do, push you until you do something that he can ticket. Once I was off the motorway he gave up. And, believe it, cops have a very effective payback system. (It's not actually that dangerous, you just have to be very smooth and allow extra time, just FEELS bad, which is why it works. )

[onearmedbandit]

Uh, no, big mistake. This was on a motorway. Stopping on a motorway, except in emergency, taht's an offence,he's got you. That's what he's trying to do, push you until you do something that he can ticket. Once I was off the motorway he gave up. And, believe it, cops have a very effective payback system. (It's not actually that dangerous, you just have to be very smooth and allow extra time, just FEELS bad, which is why it works. )

Someone driving two feet off my back tyre is an emergency. But just as well you didn't stop, he was probably trying to pin JFK's assassination on you.

You also say he followed you at approx 18" once you had turned off the motorway and entered a 50km/h zone. Why did you not stop him them?

[Spearfish]

Fitting forward and rearward facing cameras on bikes could be a solution, it seems to be getting popular overseas for insurance. But the glass house stone throwing would probably have to stop?
If cameras were fitted to cops cars then hearsay and personal interpretation would be reduced and discretion would probably be a thing of the past.

[MaxB]

Oh, I forgot that one. ....snip...

This sort of shit happens far far too often.

Happens to me about 3 or 4 times a year on the Southern. Before this became a regular event I made the mistake of braking hard to shake one off my tail and he damn near mowed me down. I had to drop a couple of gears and change lanes whilst he skidded into the area I was just in. FFS.

Now I relax and sit on the speed limit. As for them observing the correct following distances don't make me laugh.

[Ixion]

Someone driving two feet off my back tyre is an emergency. But just as well you didn't stop, he was probably trying to pin JFK's assassination on you.

You also say he followed you at approx 18" once you had turned off the motorway and entered a 50km/h zone. Why did you not stop him them?

Cos as soon as I got past the interchange bit, where there's nowhere to safely stop (for me or him), he U turned back onto the motorway. This is Auckland motorway it's not as simple as a rural town.

[trustme]

So if bikers have some bad riders, we can't critisise anyone else, but if cops have some bad drivers than can just carry on critisising our driving/riding? (in the form of tickets obviously) Seems a bit one sided to me.

Nope, feel free to criticse away, loud as you like, scream if you want to . The people that matter are not listening.

[onearmedbandit]

Cos as soon as I got past the interchange bit, where there's nowhere to safely stop (for me or him), he U turned back onto the motorway. This is Auckland motorway it's not as simple as a rural town.


What about the fact that essentially that police officers actions were endangering your life? That in itself (your life being threatened) is an emergency. Or are you just too paranoid that they're all out to get you? Honestly.

[Ixion]

His word against mine. And, like Mr MaxB says, it's not uncommon, happens a few times a year. Just part of lifes rich tapestry.

[Deano]

Why don't you start a thread

' What the Biker did, a list of accidents & near misses you have had with fellow motorcyclists.'

I wonder which would be bigger.

Why don't you start it ?

[onearmedbandit]

His word against mine. And, like Mr MaxB says, it's not uncommon, happens a few times a year. Just part of lifes rich tapestry.

Not in my world is that sort of shit part of 'life's rich tapestry'. Although if you accept it as easily as you claim you do, and if you thought it was worthless complaining at the time, other than 'because the op was asking for instances of police bad driving' why do you bother to mention it now? I've seen instances of poor driving by police before, nothing life-endangering like your or MaxB's example, but as I've never bothered to lodge a complaint I fail to see what the benefit of bringing up undocumented historical events is. And if anything like what you claim has happened happened to me I'd be taking action immediately, then I would bring it up here.

If this cop was willing to do this to you, then he'd be willing to do it to any motorcyclist possibly, and maybe the next one won't have the experience and presence of mind like you possess, and be possibly injured or killed.

[Ixion]

.. other than 'because the op was asking for instances of police bad driving' why do you bother to mention it now? .

Yup. Cos the OP asked for examples. I'd forgotten about it until Mr Pixie's similar experience reminded me.

[trustme]

Why don't you start it ?

No point, it would achieve nothing & change nothing.

[Kiwi Graham]

So did you report it?

Yep. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117486-Bullshit-speeding-ticket-from-arrogant-cop.-Complaint?p=1129622931

[bogan]

Nope, feel free to criticse away, loud as you like, scream if you want to . The people that matter are not listening.

I would say that everyone who listens matters, it is a democracy after all.

[bogan]

No point, it would achieve nothing & change nothing.

yes, lets all be good sheeple and do as we are told, far be it for us to actually do anything to make a change :puke:

[Deano]

No point, it would achieve nothing & change nothing.

Well if people want to vent, rant and rave about it, why not just ignore them and let them get on with it. Easy.

[trustme]

yes, lets all be good sheeple and do as we are told, far be it for us to actually do anything to make a change :puke:

Excellent , so what are you doing to change it besides snivel.

[bogan]

Excellent , so what are you doing to change it besides snivel.

Everything I cant think of, submitted emails to police whatshisname, and transport minister, looking at the facts and theory behind the whole speed kills campaign, looking into alternate solutions to having to actually do uturns (cameras in cars). How about you? doing anything, or just head in the sand?

[trustme]

Well if people want to vent, rant and rave about it, why not just ignore them and let them get on with it. Easy.

More fun winding you guys up, & maybe just maybe instead of the gumfest someone will do something. Not me I'm afraid , been there done that.

[trustme]

Everything I cant think of, submitted emails to police whatshisname, and transport minister, looking at the facts and theory behind the whole speed kills campaign, looking into alternate solutions to having to actually do uturns (cameras in cars). How about you? doing anything, or just head in the sand?

Excellent , I seriously wish you the very best of luck .It needs organisation one bloke is just pissing in the wind . Pick fights you can win or it is futile & disheartening ultimately you walk away disillusioned from tilting at windmills.
I sound like one of those grumpy old cynics, I am.

[bogan]

More fun winding you guys up, & maybe just maybe instead of the gumfest someone will do something. Not me I'm afraid , been there done that.

So rather than actually do something, you impede those that are trying to? and to use the death of someone for a wind-up quite frankly sickens me.

[SPman]

I got this as well but he jumped out from behind a tree.
coming back from palmy to wellington years back. idiot was looking to be run over.
all he wanted to do was say 'got you speeding - tickets in the mail' then he went back to hide behind his tree.
DICKS!
A young cop tried that in Perth last year in a suburban street - his uniform didn't save him!

[kave]

For my most recent event involving a policeman trying to kill me I had my wife on the back of the bike which really made me furious. I was travelling south, somewhere between Auckland and Kawakawa on monday the 12th of April. I saw a police ute with "Serious Crash Unit" emblazoned on the back (the irony). Traffic was doing your usual "I have seen a police officer so I will crawl along at 90kph so as to avoid getting a ticket". I pulled in behind the police vehicle and cruised, normally would have popped past but I wasnt in a hurry and I didn't want to upset my wife.

Came up to some passing lanes and the car in front of the cop slowed to 70, probably praying that the cop would pass him and he could get on with driving normally. Cop decided to sit in his lane without passing so I made the most of the opportunity and indicated, moved into the passing lane, accelerated to 100kph and started overtaking the cop. As I drew level with the front passenger-side window of the police ute, the driver suddenly decided he was sick of travelling at 70 and swerved into my lane. Completely failed to indicate, only the fact that I was paying attention saved my wife and I. Had to swerve into the (fortunately clear) northbound lane to avoid being wiped out.

The driver was not a young cop. He had a moustache you could twirl and looked (and drove) like a bit of a cowboy. If this is what we are getting from senior police officers then is there really any expectation that their current intake of 12 year olds will be performing any better? Also, if any police officers are reading this I am sure I have given you enough detail to identify the culprit. I am not going to make a formal complaint but feel free to tell him that he needs to pay a bit more attention while driving.

[Deano]

More fun winding you guys up, & maybe just maybe instead of the gumfest someone will do something. Not me I'm afraid , been there done that.

It appeared that you were the one getting wound up.

[Pixie]

I know if a cop car was traveling behind me only 2ft off my back tyre I would've pulled off the road, hoping he'd follow and I could ask him why he is doing so, failing that at least I've removed myself from a very serious dangerous situation (2ft is so ridiculous I almost find it hard to believe), get his rego and report it. You must live in a very paranoid world if you think that 'every cop will have your rego number clipped to his sun visor'.

Paranoia doesn't mean they aren't out to get you:
My brother,an ex MOT cop, was living in a BOP town some years ago.He started dating the ex girl friend of one of the local police.From that point on he was being stopped for the most spurious reasons imaginable,by just about every local cop on the force,until he went to see the district commander in person and the harassment ceased.Some cops are not just scum,but stupid scum at that.

[Pixie]

Excellent , I seriously wish you the very best of luck .It needs organisation one bloke is just pissing in the wind . Pick fights you can win or it is futile & disheartening ultimately you walk away disillusioned from tilting at windmills.
I sound like one of those grumpy old cynics, I am.

Well I'm seriously considering,when this thread has done it's dash,editing and compiling all the anecdotes into a document that I will distribute to various ministers and maybe even media.
Don't worry I'll hide your identities.

[Pixie]

For my most recent event involving a policeman trying to kill me I had my wife on the back of the bike which really made me furious. I was travelling south, somewhere between Auckland and Kawakawa on monday the 12th of April. I saw a police ute with "Serious Crash Unit" emblazoned on the back (the irony). Traffic was doing your usual "I have seen a police officer so I will crawl along at 90kph so as to avoid getting a ticket". I pulled in behind the police vehicle and cruised, normally would have popped past but I wasnt in a hurry and I didn't want to upset my wife.

Came up to some passing lanes and the car in front of the cop slowed to 70, probably praying that the cop would pass him and he could get on with driving normally. Cop decided to sit in his lane without passing so I made the most of the opportunity and indicated, moved into the passing lane, accelerated to 100kph and started overtaking the cop. As I drew level with the front passenger-side window of the police ute, the driver suddenly decided he was sick of travelling at 70 and swerved into my lane. Completely failed to indicate, only the fact that I was paying attention saved my wife and I. Had to swerve into the (fortunately clear) northbound lane to avoid being wiped out.

The driver was not a young cop. He had a moustache you could twirl and looked (and drove) like a bit of a cowboy. If this is what we are getting from senior police officers then is there really any expectation that their current intake of 12 year olds will be performing any better? Also, if any police officers are reading this I am sure I have given you enough detail to identify the culprit. I am not going to make a formal complaint but feel free to tell him that he needs to pay a bit more attention while driving.

I thought SCU investigated serious crashed not tried to cause them.

[Ixion]

Another one come to light, in the Harold this morni (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10640514)ng . Rider lost a leg

[Pixie]

T.G.W.

Can you add your experience ,that you mentioned in your rep comment,to the thread,if you haven't already?
I'm going to compile them all and send them to various recipients.
Tried to PM you:your inbox is full

[Drew]

I've had to jam on the brakes in a car to avoid a cop screwing a "U" turn on the other side of a crest just south of Otaki, he turned his lights on once he had completed the turn and had the jandal up it.

[waspnz]

On my way to Rainbow Ski Field in the St Arnaud area last year.....on the other side of a rise, unbeknown to me, a cop had stopped in the middle of the road to talk to a lady in a van. I was driving a voyager full of peeps and had to hit the brakes to avoid hitting the back of him. Road was icy and we slid to the side of the road, coming to a stop at the side of his car. The lady in the van just made a laughing gesture, the cop did nothing. I couldn't believe it. I drove on shocked. He didn't even move his car.

[scumdog]

On my way to Rainbow Ski Field in the St Arnaud area last year.....on the other side of a rise, unbeknown to me, a cop had stopped in the middle of the road to talk to a lady in a van. I was driving a voyager full of peeps and had to hit the brakes to avoid hitting the back of him. Road was icy and we slid to the side of the road, coming to a stop at the side of his car. The lady in the van just made a laughing gesture, the cop did nothing. I couldn't believe it. I drove on shocked. He didn't even move his car.

Probably thought you were just showing off....:whistle::dodge:

[waspnz]

Probably thought you were just showing off....:whistle::dodge:

ummmmm....ay?

[waspnz]

Had 5 kids in the car, 2 of which weren't mine. 100 kph zone. Road covered in Ice, so much so that when I touched the brakes (lightly) I lost complete traction. All I could do was turn the wheel and hope that we gained traction again soon enough not to hit the back of his car. Thankfully we did gain the traction eventually. Also Thankfully we weren't travelling fast. You think perhaps he should have pulled off to the side of the road to talk to this lady? No question right?

[scumdog]

ummmmm....ay?

All the skidding, the drifting past at an angle - shoot, many aboy would love to be able to do that!

[candor]

Nae nae shopping centre, just after school as many college kids floating about. Hear speed as I'm getting out of my just parked car but no siren. Souped up car containing teens comes flying around into the main road that has the pool in it, with cop car right on tail (close proximity) and both well over limit. To get here the vehicles have both just sped through a roundy and over a pedestrian crossing just round the corner, at a speed in which braking time had it been needed at the crossing was out of the question. Pursued persons pull into driveway and get cornered by Cops. All seems very silent movies keystone cops type of a picture.
If someone had been onthe cossing or crossing the road at the top of the Olympic pool street or even further down (which is a likelihood for kids at that time) when they came round the corner it would have been another headline.
So what do we teach them now, look left, look right and listen for Police cars or sirens?

[red mermaid]

No, you teach them to stop when signalled by Police.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You should be allowed the right to follow the piggy and beat him to death with a 14'inch dildo

I tend to not be carrying mine with me, but you know, if you've got one in your toolkit, I guess you could

[Toaster]

Maybe all police vehicles should have the little sticker "Do you like my driving? Ring 0800 BAD PORK."

Especially those naughty AOS boys.... hanging onto the outside of their black trucks without seatbelts on.... tisk tisk, what would the children think!

[Toaster]

can you *555 a cop car??

Better to ring 111, then the dispatcher can call for the patrol car to pull themselves over and give themselves a stern talking to, start abusing themselves, then lock themselves up for disorderly behaviour.

[Littleman]

To what purpose? And to whom ? His word against mine, all that would do would be to make me a marked man for the future. Reporting cops is a dangerous business, do it and every cop in the district will have your rego number clipped to his sun visor. Expect to be stopped, lots. And TBH I couldn't be arsed, it didn't frazzle me.

Apathy,

Meet paranoia.

[Patrick]

I'll start.

The Buller gorge U-turn . Two riders badly injured.One near fatally.
I have witnessed an insane U-turn in heavy rush hour traffic,across three lanes of traffic.this was just north of the Marsden Pt turn off on SH 1.And it was a Policewoman,so it can't just be put down to a testicular problem.
Add to that,having to avoid a head-on with a lazy copy cutting corners on a winding section of SH16.

But that Buller Gorge thing was a white washing coverup by the PC and all and sundry. The outcries then, the certainy of it all..... Oh.... hang on.... no it wasn't.... As you were......

The 2nd one... why was she out of the kitchen...?

And the 3rd one.... lucky motorcyclists don't ride just like that then...

[Patrick]

Seen a couple U-turns that are silly but not directly affected me but the 2 instances that cheesed me off was...
1 - Bike cop no lights or sirens on motorway came flying passed me in the same lane, close enough for narrowly avoid my mirror and his.

Hang on.... isn't this "lane splitting? Which is legal...??? (Unless committed by motorbike cops...???).

2- about 2 months ago coming home at night with the missus on the back through some pretty serious roadwaorks, was only doing about 25 (hate roadworks and it was night) see mr plod with lights (no siren) coming up behind me so pull over left as far as possible and slow to 20km/h for him to pass. Comes flying passed me at about 80 close enough to nick my jacket with his wing mirror and continues on subsiquently spraying me with dirst and gravel... Now I didn't see his rego or anything and not sure what the procedure is but he almost took us out. Now I was pretty pissed off, not only because he almost cleaned us out but because he gave my GF a pretty big scare as she didn't even see him coming. Could have ended badly if he had been like 20-30mm closer..

Would have been a job in the system, able to track what unit went with the red and blues going...... Do nothing, get nothing......


Oh, I forgot ........ still 18 inches or so behind. Stay at constant 48 kph. Another lights, stop (even gave a stop hand signal). Turn and glare at him, he stares straight ahead....

So you had him stopped and did nothing....? Put the bike on the stand and talk. He wasn't going anywhere then.... Do nothing, get nothing....

[Pixie]

No, you teach them to stop when signalled by Police.
So collateral injuries/deaths,such as outside Owairaka Primary where a child suffered permanent brain damage after being struck by an out of control police car,that took a blind corner,in traffic,too fast and hit a pedestrian crossing sign,is acceptable if it means another tick on your quota?
Stupid fucking cop.

[Pixie]

A motorcyclist who lost his leg when hit by a police car doing a U-turn, says a similar crash which killed a man earlier this week was like "bad deja vu".

Speaking publicly for the first time, Henricus Deijkers said his left leg below the knee was amputated as a "result of my left foot being ripped off by the impact" and he received life-threatening injuries to his upper left leg.

The December 2007 crash on State Highway 2 near Maramarua, south of Auckland, happened as a police car started to chase a speeding Mercedes.

The crash was similar to the one in which motorcyclist Paul Brown was killed this week in Te Kauwhata.

Mr Deijkers, who now walks with a prosthetic leg, said the Te Kauwhata crash brought back memories from his own ordeal.

"Reading news like this is spine shivering ... it was only a matter of time before a fatality like this would occur. A bad deja vu."

He said the police officer involved had visited him twice in hospital and had admitted guilt from the start.

"I, we, have moved on since then ... and although I'm reminded of the accident every day when I need to put on my prothesis, I'm trying to live my life like before the accident.


"Me, my wife and three kids have all forgiven the police officer and we told him face-to-face that we don't feel bad about him. It was an accident and nothing more.

"I was very lucky - been through the eye of a needle.

"We are all so thankful I'm still alive, especially after reading that story a few days back."

The police officer in the 2007 crash was charged with careless driving causing injury and fined $500 in the Papakura District Court four months after the crash.

Counties Manukau police spokeswoman Ani-Mari Gates-Bowey said the man was not disqualified from driving.

He also underwent an internal police investigation. She would not reveal the result as it was "a private employment matter between the Commissioner and the officer and will not be discussed in a public forum".

[Taz]

Cool.

All of my dealings with the NZ Police have been cordial and polite and I have generally received lenient treatment with a cautions to booking ratio at about 40%-60%.

No action by a NZ Policeman has caused any undue hazzard to my person that I can recall or am aware of.

Yet .

[scumdog]

Yet .

Hell, life ain't killed you either.

Yet.