Fireams licence not an acceptable form of ID

[SMOKEU]

Every now and again, I get a different type of drivers licence, and have my licence card taken off by the testing officer and then I have a temporary licence for a few weeks. Why is it that when I go into a pub or try to buy alcohol from a shop, I often get refused service because a firearms licence is 'not a valid form of ID'. It has my full name on it, date of birth and a pic of me. Just like a driver licence.

[Grubber]

Gotta say....that sounds a bit odd.

[marty]

Unfortunatley, a firearms licence is not a document in the prescribed form. The only one that is is the Hospitality 18 year old card.


From Sale of Liquor Act:



2A Meaning of term <DFN class=def-term lang=en-NZ id=DLM165335>evidence of age document</DFN>


(1) For the purposes of this Act, the term <DFN class=def-term lang=en-NZ id=DLM165336>evidence of age document</DFN> means a document specified in subsection (2) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0063/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_sale+of+liquor_resel&p=1&id=DLM165334#DLM165334) that—

(a) Contains a photograph of the person to whom the document is issued; and


(b) Contains information that enables the age of the person to be determined.
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0063/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_sale+of+liquor_resel&p=1&id=DLM165334#DLM165334), a document is—

(a) A New Zealand passport; or


(b) An overseas passport; or


(c) A driver licence issued under the Land Transport Act 1998 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0063/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_sale+of+liquor_resel&p=1&id=DLM433612#DLM433612); or


(d) A document in the prescribed form issued by a specified person, organisation, body corporate, Government department, Crown agency, or statutory board.
(3) For the purposes of subsection (2) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1989/0063/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_sale+of+liquor_resel&p=1&id=DLM165334#DLM165334),—

(a) The term <DFN class=def-term lang=en-NZ id=DLM165337>prescribed</DFN> means prescribed by the Minister by notice in the Gazette:


(b) The term <DFN class=def-term lang=en-NZ id=DLM165338>specified</DFN> means specified by the Minister by notice in the Gazette

[Tank]

Because with a firearms licence you have to have the police come to your home, interview both you and your partner, and have police background checks completed.

With a Drivers licence - you turn up with a utility bill at the AA and do a scratch and win.


oh hang on - that dont make scene.



edit: They have YOU a firearms licence?

[scissorhands]

As an aside, those with a shooters license are a potential problem in the eyes of some police.

I never show mine for ID, and am careful who I mention it to, as it can lower your standing amongst some people.

Some may even take talk of guns and license as a subtle threatening or intimidating gesture.

[The Pastor]

yeah its total bullshit, i don't have a passport and when i lose my license they wont accept my firearms license. its lameo

[Swoop]

It works fine at the gun shop. Show them this ID card and you get a gun!

Choice!:ar15:

[Forest]

Why is it that when I go into a pub or try to buy alcohol from a shop, I often get refused service because a firearms licence is 'not a valid form of ID'.

You get refused service because you look like a god-damned twelve year-old.

The problem will go away once you're old enough to start shaving.

[Ronin]

A drivers license is not a valid form of id either and does not have to be accepted as such.

[SMOKEU]

You get refused service because you look like a god-damned twelve year-old.

The problem will go away once you're old enough to start shaving.

I don't look like a 12 year old and I'm old enough to shave.

[Dadpole]

A drivers license is always the only ID acceptable to f#@kwits. I regularly offer other ID and enjoy the panic and refusals that follow.

[Smifffy]

Present the actual firearm instead.

[hospitalfood]

i like my FAL as a form of id. works well with police i find.

however, my advice is take your gun, not your licence. they will probably serve you. flipping PC motherflipper cock smoker nanny bitches. shoot em up man !







but seriously,...................im sure you know anyway.

[scumdog]

Yep, always puzzled me this "It's not I.D." thing.

Shoot, it's way harder to get a FAL than a 1L drivers licence - yet the driver licence is accepted??:blink:

[Indiana_Jones]

Yep, always puzzled me this "It's not I.D." thing.

Shoot, it's way harder to get a FAL than a 1L drivers licence - yet the driver licence is accepted??:blink:

Agreed.

Tried to tell this to the monkeys at Foodtown but they cared not.

-Indy

[TimeOut]

I haven't been asked for I.D for years, does that mean I'm an old fart.

[davereid]

The photo drivers licence was conceived as an ID card. Older riders will recall that the original drivers licence was a qualification. You did a test. If you met the standard you got the qualification.

Then Jenny Shipley proposed the N.Z. ID card - Kiwi Card. Proves you are you, handy for collecting the dole or accessing subsidised healthcare. What do you have to fear if you are not an illegal immigrant or criminal ?

Jenny wasn't able to get enough support to get the ID card off the ground, it was rejected. But it didnt die. The very next year, she came up with the photo drivers licence. It romped through, Kiwis lost the licence they had already bought and paid for, and got to jump through a new set of hoops and spend more $$ to get a new one.

But guess what ?

Suddenly the new card was demanded by all. WINZ want to see it for your dole or pension. The bank want to see it for your new bank acount. Every BayCorp or credit firm wants to see it to give you a loan.

The Di-Lic-No has become your defacto ID number.

Personally, I simply say "ahh sorry, dont get it back for a year - you should have asked for it last week".

[Lias]

I work as a bouncer and can confirm that we do not accept firearms licenses as valid ID. HANZ 18+ Card, New Zealand Drivers License, or a Passport are the only valid ID for entry.

Get alot of foreign students having fits because I wont let them in with their Aussie drivers license or German ID card or whatever.

[slofox]

A drivers license is always the only ID acceptable to f#@kwits. I regularly offer other ID and enjoy the panic and refusals that follow.


i like my FAL as a form of id. works well with police i find.

however, my advice is take your gun, not your licence. they will probably serve you. flipping PC motherflipper cock smoker nanny bitches. shoot em up man !





Agreed.

Tried to tell this to the monkeys at Foodtown but they cared not.

-Indy



As an owner of a liquor outlet, I can tell all the above that the decision is not mine to make. The Sale of Liquor Act clearly states what I may and may not accept as ID. If you don't agree with the act, lobby to have it changed. But whilst it is as written, I and my like have to work within that act. Failure to do so can result in loss of livelihood (and maybe even my ability to keep my motorbike). Which is definitely NOT acceptable. So I do as I am told. Most of the time anyway...

Depends a little on the person as well. Any dodgy looking sod gets no leeway from me. And if he won't take his fuckin' hoody off he gets the bum's rush. (Only happened once.)

Oh and let me assure you all, some of the sting operations are bloody devious. You never know when you are being targeted. I wouldn't put it past my local DLA to get someone to offer non-approved ID and then jump on me for accepting it.

Just insurance really...

[McWild]

You'll find at supermarkets, that the person checking the id will have absolutely no say in the matter 9 times out of 10.

If a senior manager finds out that a regular supervisor has accepted a form of id that isn't HANZ, a passport, or a driver's licence then they will most likely lose their ability to approve alcohol sales at all. Don't blame them for being a tool of bureaucracy, their job often depends on it.

[Indiana_Jones]

So a ID card you send off for with a cereal box coupon (the 18+ card) has more standing then one that makes you jump through 343 police hoops and background checks lol

On that note I should say I'm not having a go at the owner or guy behind the counter, I know it's out of their hands.

-Indy

[ynot slow]

Best piss take was when after a suitable night on the piss in Picton,jumped on ferry,as the bar opened I (being eldest)went to bar,oredered 8 cokes and 8 lion reds(yuck),was interogated by bar wanker,asked was I 20yr old ,nope,and was told can't be served etc,this carried on for 10 minutes,till another officer asked what the prob was,and pommy git behind counter said he's not 20yr old.The senior officer asked are you over 20yr,yep I said I'm 22 yr in 2 days time,and flicked my firearms licence,he(first guy)wouldn't accept it,so had to show drivers licence.

[rwh]

A drinking licence is the answer. Then as an added bonus they can take it away from recidivist drunks.

Richard