Thinking of going for a Hyo GT250N. Interested in the pros and cons from Hyo owners

[Scorp]

I've finally come to the conclusion that I'd prefer to learn to ride on a standard naked bike rather than a cruiser or a sports bike, so out with all those ideas about Viragos and Ninjas (I've also realized that naked bikes are what turn my head anyway - one day a Street Triple or an XJ6N, hopefully!).

Boiled it down to a second hand Honda VTR, a Hornet, or a new Hyo GT250N Efi.

The more I think about it, the keener I am on the new Hyo - seems like a great value package. And with 5 to 10 year old VTRs and Hornets going for around the $5k mark, it just seems to make more sense to pay the extra for a new Hyo with 2 year/unlimited Km warranty and EFI.

But I'm really keen to hear from any other riders out there with GT250s. I've read a few owner reviews on other sites complaining about a peg vibration at 5,000 revs, this review mentions it too (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2009/road/hyosung/aquila-gv250/launch-hyosung-250cc-efi-range-16612). Also heard some talk about faulty side stand sensors causing high speed stalling and clutch cable and chain problems; not to mention and all those (normally people who don't own them) who bang on about build quality.

So if you ride, or have ridden a Hyo GT250, what do you reckon about these issues, and the pros and cons of going for a 2010 EFI model over a second hand VTR or Hornet?

Thanks for any advice guys!

[mattian]

as far as the 250 v-twins go.... the VTR wins hands down.

Why would the VTR be second hand and your Hyosung be new? I think they're all around about the same price new.

Watch out. DangerousBastard will be along in a minute to tell us how Hyosung was built by the hand of God himself.

[blackdog]

vtr250 rrp $9499

hyo gt250 rrp $6995

[mattian]

vtr250 rrp $9499

hyo gt250 rrp $6995
Oh crikey..... didn't realise it was such a difference. Shit thats alot for a brand new 250 ! what are Honda thinking? its not even a little bit competetive with the other brands.

[one fast tl1ooo]

vtr250 rrp $9499

hyo gt250 rrp $6995

you get what you pay for... :rofl:

[blackdog]

you get what you pay for... :rofl:

if buying new, both have 2 year w'tees. can't see anyone not wanting summit a bit bigger after that.....

[Scorp]

Plus, I'm not sure you can really say the Honda V wins "hands down"...

Honda VTR250: 32hp @ 10,500RPM | Torque: 24.00 Nm @ 8500 RPM | P/W Ratio: 0.2286 HP/kg

Hyo GT 250: 29hp @ 10,500RPM | Torque: 22.00 Nm @ 8000 RPM | P/W Ratio: 0.1895 HP/kg

The Hornet is the engine that kicks ass, with 40hp and a power to weight ratio of 0.2649 HP/kg

But I'm not sure a noob like me is going to truly appreciate the difference. I reckon the Hyo will have more than enough grunt for me. Or will until I'm looking to trade up anyway.

[Tink]

I've finally come to the conclusion that I'd prefer to learn to ride on a standard naked bike rather than a cruiser or a sports bike, so out with all those ideas about Viragos and Ninjas (I've also realized that naked bikes are what turn my head anyway - one day a Street Triple or an XJ6N, hopefully!).

Boiled it down to a second hand Honda VTR, a Hornet, or a new Hyo GT250N Efi.

The more I think about it, the keener I am on the new Hyo - seems like a great value package. And with 5 to 10 year old VTRs and Hornets going for around the $5k mark, it just seems to make more sense to pay the extra for a new Hyo with 2 year/unlimited Km warranty and EFI.

But I'm really keen to hear from any other riders out there with GT250s. I've read a few owner reviews on other sites complaining about a peg vibration at 5,000 revs, this review mentions it too (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2009/road/hyosung/aquila-gv250/launch-hyosung-250cc-efi-range-16612). Also heard some talk about faulty side stand sensors causing high speed stalling and clutch cable and chain problems; not to mention and all those (normally people who don't own them) who bang on about build quality.

So if you ride, or have ridden a Hyo GT250, what do you reckon about these issues, and the pros and cons of going for a 2010 EFI model over a second hand VTR or Hornet?

Thanks for any advice guys!

Hi I have a virago 250, but that is cause I am a short chick... I rode a VTR on some really good roads and LOVED IT TO BITS... looked at a hyo, was not particularly keen... I also love naked bikes... Ducati for me and a harley (ha)... try them out, once you have your learners or if you do... try now.

[bogan]

dunno If they've sorted it on the new bikes, but had a mate with an 06 (i think) gt250, and it was very heavy, and gutless, my vt250 which was 20 years older was faster and lighter. Also consider you will only be on a 250 for a few years, so get a bike that holds it value, the VTR and Hornet will hold it better than the hyo.

[raftn]

dunno If they've sorted it on the new bikes, but had a mate with an 06 (i think) gt250, and it was very heavy, and gutless, my vt250 which was 20 years older was faster and lighter. Also consider you will only be on a 250 for a few years, so get a bike that holds it value, the VTR and Hornet will hold it better than the hyo.

Wat he said.

[CookMySock]

I've got a 250 AND a 650 Comet if you want to look over them. Also have a GT250R for sale.

Steve

[BiK3RChiK]

I learned to ride on the GT250R and have ridden the GT250 Comet and now have a GT650 Comet. I think the Comet is awesome to ride! I wouldn't recommend a GT-R to learn on but think the Comet would be an awesome learner bike. I love my 650 Comet. I just got back from a trip to the Naki on it. It was awesome fun... :D

[Tank]

The cost also includes what you get for the bike when you sell it for your next one (BTW - OP - nice choice on the Street Triple)

The Honda etc will still fetch the same price when you sell it . The Ho'bags I predict in a while really wont hold their value as much. After all - why would anyone buy a 18 month one for near the new price - thus they will have to drop to get buyers. The Honda etc have already depreciated.

As for the Ho'bags in general - DB and his missus I think are the only 2 people in NZ that have the 650 - thats got to say something. Im not saying that they are a bad bike - prob fine for learning, but I dont think that they will last that long. They are cheap for a reason.

[Scorp]

The Honda etc will still fetch the same price when you sell it. The Ho'bags I predict in a while really wont hold their value as much. After all - why would anyone buy a 18 month one for near the new price - thus they will have to drop to get buyers. The Honda etc have already depreciated.
True, good point. I guess that's the cost of 2 yrs warranty. Mind you I doubt I'd sell a second hand Honda in 18 mths for the 'same' as I'd pay for it today. Also, judging from the auctions I've watched on Trade Me, the Hyo's are now depreciating at almost the same rate as Ninjas, just from a lower starting point. I also figure a second hand EFI model will have the edge on the older ones in 12 to 18 months.


They are cheap for a reason.
True, but part of that reason might be that S. Korea labour costs are lower than Japan the US and Europe. Plus, Hyosung is hungry for market share.

[Scorp]

I've got a 250 AND a 650 Comet if you want to look over them. Also have a GT250R for sale.

Steve


I learned to ride on the GT250R and have ridden the GT250 Comet and now have a GT650 Comet. I think the Comet is awesome to ride! I wouldn't recommend a GT-R to learn on but think the Comet would be an awesome learner bike. I love my 650 Comet. I just got back from a trip to the Naki on it. It was awesome fun... :D
Hi guys. Did either of you have any of the issues I mentioned earlier: clutch cable/side stand/peg vibrations? Or any others for that matter?

[meowmix]

The Hyo will pace well with a Ninja, the R and N versions are exactly same in the powerplant/drivetrain/suspension. The only difference that counts is the second disc at the front, but the 1 is more then enough anyway.
If you're after resale, just don't buy new at all really. The Hyo with the fullsize frame is quite good. The VTR would be tops IMO, the Hornet screams like a buzzy bee and you need to wring it right out to get any of those horses running, same as any 250/4. Test ride them all if you can.

[DarkLord]

I owned 2 Hyo's while on my Learners/Restricted.

Good points:

Look cool and sound awesome with an after market can on
Gives you a good feel for riding a bigger bike when you get one
Good on fuel economy
Good on tyres
Strong, reliable engine (well mine were anyway)

Negative points:

Slow as sh*t
Things tend to fall off and start rattling due to poor materials used in construction
Stock tyres are beyond dreadfull - half plastic and a recipie for disaster. Get rid of them ASAP.
Very heavy for a 250cc bike.
Front end is very dodgy..... shakes it's head VERY easily.

[CookMySock]

Hi guys. Did either of you have any of the issues I mentioned earlier: clutch cable/side stand/peg vibrations? Or any others for that matter?We've had all sorts of issues, but we've had a lot of bikes and done a lot of kms. No we've never had any clutch cable issues, but we lube them properly.

The bikes do have a few known weaknesses. The gearbox can be really tight for some tens of thousands of kms and hard to find neutral (put thinner oil in it), side stand switch is a bit weak, gearbox breaks if you munch it hard through gears.. best to google them and you will see.

The hyo's aren't smooth bikes to ride. Yes they buzz and vibrate but what do you want? The 650's for example will blur their mirrors and the windscreen looks like its going to jump off the bike. It's really odd. SV650 in comparison is like a smooth sewing machine and the hyo 650 is like a fucking single banger dirt bike but with 80hp - so what do you like?

Seriously, if money is an issue then don't buy a brand new bike of any sort. Pick up a low km one off trademe and look after it really well. Get it checked by a bike shop if you want to.

The stupid hyo basher idiots on this forum think they do me a disservice with their rude remarks, but they don't. They help keep the price of these bikes down, so that's great for you and I. 90% of them haven't been within two hundred meters of one, let alone ridden or owned one, and the other 10% are angry their bike quit on them after they crashed it or beat the fuck out of it and want to blame someone else. Fair enough on the few percent who have a genuine beef with the hyo's, but hey thats the same with any brand of bike.

In any case, the hyo's are easy and cheap to crash and fix, and there's loads of 2nd hand parts around on TM.

Steve

[Conquiztador]

And here all the righteous regulation ninjas will come after me... But I tell ya this: If you have been riding bikes since young and you know how not to fall over: Get an exemption. Get a OK to ride a bigger bike. Did that with my son. Got him a 400cc. Not that tricky to do. There is a few threads on here how to.

And reasons are obvious:
- A 250, even s/h in NZ cost just too much. A 400 is same price OR LESS!
- More umph...
- You can ride around with your 400 w/o L plates. Police will only check on 250's...

[CookMySock]

And here all the righteous regulation ninjas will come after me... But I tell ya this: If you have been riding bikes since young and you know how not to fall over: Get an exemption. Get a OK to ride a bigger bike. Did that with my son. Got him a 400cc.I agree, I did the same on an 80hp 650. Looking back, they shouldn't have given me the exemption really - 80hp on a 6L is stupid. I think they knew there was no way I would ride a 250 for all that time, so they gave it to me. I think these days things will be different.

Like all things, if you pick your 'buy' moment carefully you don't loose money. My last two bikes I bought I defintely won't lose money on - I'll probably make a grand easily.

Steve

[Conquiztador]

I agree, I did the same on an 80hp 650. Looking back, they shouldn't have given me the exemption really - 80hp on a 6L is stupid. I think they knew there was no way I would ride a 250 for all that time, so they gave it to me. I think these days things will be different.

Like all things, if you pick your 'buy' moment carefully you don't loose money. My last two bikes I bought I defintely won't lose money on - I'll probably make a grand easily.

Steve

I have to yet loose money on a bike. But: Consider a 400 - 600. We did that just a year or two ago. I be happy to tell you what to do.

[Scorp]

And here all the righteous regulation ninjas will come after me... But I tell ya this: If you have been riding bikes since young and you know how not to fall over: Get an exemption.
I wish. I'm a complete noob, so learning how not to fall over is a major part of the curve. :laugh:

[Conquiztador]

I wish. I'm a complete noob, so learning how not to fall over is a major part of the curve. :laugh:

In that case: Get a second hand bike. They keep their price even after some noob drops. A new one...

[Scorp]

I really get the point about buying second hand first. I do. But the average asking price for 2007/08 Comets is around $5,000. While there are new 2010 models on offer for $6,695. Which says two things to me, firstly, the Hyos are holding value quite well. And secondly, I'd probably be better off paying the extra $1,600 to $2,000 for a new 2010 model with 2 years warranty and the improved features it has over the older models, which include improved steering geometry, twin front disc brakes and EFI. I'd be happy enough trying to resell in 18 months for $5,000 to $5,500 or trade in for something bigger and better.

[bogan]

I really get the point about buying second hand first. I do. But the average asking price for 2007/08 Comets is around $5,000. While there are new 2010 models on offer for $6,695. Which says two things to me, firstly, the Hyos are holding value quite well. And secondly, I'd probably be better off paying the extra $1,600 to $2,000 for a new 2010 model with 2 years warranty and the improved features it has over the older models, which include improved steering geometry, twin front disc brakes and EFI. I'd be happy enough trying to resell in 18 months for $5,000 to $5,500 or trade in for something bigger and better.

are they selling though? cos that sounds pretty high. And if you want better performance, get the VTR or Hornet.

[Scorp]

are they selling though? cos that sounds pretty high. And if you want better performance, get the VTR or Hornet.
Real hard to say. There's only 3 private sale Comets on Trade Me right now, and there were a good few more a couple of months back (could just be withdrawals though). The rest are all through dealers, which I guess probably aren't going to budge much from asking price. I'm looking at a Hornet at the moment. Unfortunately pickings are slim on VTRs at the moment. Hence the reason I'm veering towards the Hyo.

From everything I've read, the build quality has improved from earlier models, but I'm wary of buying what may turn out to be a piece of junk. That said, the people who knock them seem to be people who don't own them, while people who do seem to love them.

If it was the other way around I'd be more worried.

DB's info on the issues he's had are very informative though :shit: Think I'll PM him.

[CookMySock]

They are not selling at that price. You will lose a lot of money on a new hyo - make no mistake about it. We bought a new one and ate in the order of 3k on it. Not recommended for a learner bike that you are just going to sell later. Might be a different story if you wanted to keep it and use it as a commuter.

There are plenty of low-med km Comets on trademe. There's nothing wrong with the older ones, and if there is, it's easy and cheap to fix them.

I am really surprised just how good the Comet 250 is as all-rounder. It's dead easy to ride - like a modern GN but bigger, super cheap to run, and it will easily carry two good sized adults. Not many 250 commuters will carry two big adults.

Steve

[Old Steve]

OK, I haven't had my Hyosung GV250 long, only 6 weeks, but I've put 2,800 km under the wheels in daily commuting and weekend runs. Also the GT250 and GV250 have the same engine, mines a carby 2005 not an EFI 2010 though.

Basically I think the Hyosung is good value for money, I paid $3,200 for my 2005/first reg in 2006 GV250 with about 9,000 km on the clock. It's a big bike, the GT250 seems to be too, but I bought it for it's size. Second hand Hyosungs are cheaper, even the new 2010 EFi is a good price, so if you lose any depreciation you're lossing less because its a % of a lower amount.

Slow? Suppose so, I'm already dreaming of something around 750cc. But I can cruise at 110km/hr, and go up to 120 km/hr to catch up, on the open road. I find I'm doing 70 or more around town when not concentrating. It does fall behind group rides on hills, I fell way back behind a friend on a big Shadow going up the Kaimais but I'd expect that. I also fall behind on corners on the open road, but I think that'd be the case on any bike - blind left handers spook me!

Reliability? Can't tell yet, my chain and rear sprocket are due for a replacement at the next 4000 km service at 13,000 km and I'm thinking of putting an automatic oiler on it. I don't know the maintenance history of her previous owners, so I can't judge reliability. I lost the reflector from a wing mirror and the replacement mirror was down the next day so parts seem to be readily available.

Quality/value for money? Gets my vote, especially a second hand one. Most 250s for sale have rediculously low mileages, people seem to only do 5-6000 km on them, yet the Hyosung seems to be much cheaper than many other 250s of similar ages. Honda Magnas seem extraordinarilly expensive for bikes up to 15 years old, even dearer than a one or two year old Hyosung and less older Hondas of other models. My Hyosung agent, Bay City Motorcycles in Tauranga, give great support.

Any problems? Finding neutral when the engine is running - this seems to be a carry over from the Suzuki technology transfer which set Hyosung up. I believe the Suzuki Intruder has the same quirk. Some careful clutch cable adjustment made it easier to select neutral, but I usually sit at lights with my clutch pulled in if I can't get neutral after one or two attempts. When I get home or want to walk back into a park I turn the key off then on again, click into neutral, then turn the key off again. The noise, I've taken out the back baffle to get a louder sound, she crackles a bit but I like it better than the original sound.

Would I buy another? Yeah. I'll have her for at least 12 months (over 25 - have my restricted for only 6 mths or less) or longer. Got her for a good price, few if any problems, and I'm not a boy racer. I might just keep her.

Should you buy the 2010 GT250N? Dunno if you should get a brand new one, OK you like the EFI, the good price and the new bike warranty. But you'll only keep it for 12 to 18 months, once you get your full license you'll want the big noise. Buy a second hand Hyosung GT250, get it checked out first, you'll pay a bit less and won't lose so much when you sell it. This is a learner bike you're looking at, you might not fall off it but you will scratch it, you will sell it.

Old Steve

[Scorp]

Thanks for that Steve. Just what I was looking for. I'll be taking a trip to Bay City next week I reckon - they'd be my nearest Hyosung dealer too. Heard good things about them from the guy I'm training with.

Still not convinced on the second hand argument, though. I get it. But when the 2008 dealer prices are so close to the 2010 prices, and there are virtually no private sales around... just not convinced. I'm not setting that much store on EFI myself, it's just that if I am re-selling in c. 18 months time, there will be more EFI models on the second hand market by then, so EFI might give me a resell/trade-in advantage over the older carb models.

On the other hand, there's a good chance I'll stick with it for two years or more.

Thanks for the great info mate! Might have to meet up with you for a ride when I do finally get a saddle. You won't have any trouble keeping up with me.

:niceone:

[Lurch]

I don't understand the argument around the Hyo being slow, if anything it's a benefit for the short duration that you are on your learners/restricted in that you are less likely to fuck yourself up by trying to race your 'mates' on their overpriced learner bikes.

The '07 Hyosung GT250R that I owned from almost new took me all around the north island and served me flawlessly for the 15,000kms that I needed it for prior to getting my 6F. Now with the new EFi design and the great looks of the 2010 models - especially the naked, I think you can't go wrong.

[CookMySock]

Still not convinced on the second hand argument, though.One look at my daughters' 2003 Comet will persuade you. It has about 11,000kms on it, and you can eat of any part of it. Nothing to do on it but ride it.

Steve

[ckai]

To be honest, I always had a chuckle when people would compare how fast their learner bikes were. Shit, learn how to carve up corners and piss 600's off :) Especially if it's on a Hyobag haha

I had a '08 GT250R. I thought it was a brilliant bike to learn on. Big bike size which is what I wanted. Got me used to my Daytona and I appreciated the better kit on the Daytona more. I'm not bagging the quality of the hyosung. The price was a big selling point for me. I just had a dash issue which was replaced but it didn't actually bother me that much. The '10's are meant to be better all round for similar money.

A mate for slaughter bigger bikes on his stock GT250R. Rider ability ah? ;) There was the standard ribbing that you expect but they appreciated the bike and the rider. He didn't have any problems with his bike. Another mate had shit loads of dash problems (08 as well) and hated his. But he thrashed the crap out of it and didn't really care for it, so I suppose that could say something.

[Skuzzlebutt]

Hiya mate. I own a 2008 Hyosung Comet, the GT250 you're thinking about.

I bought it new a year ago in a run out sale for $5990 and love it. It's the only bike I've ever owned so don't have much to compare it too in terms of performance or handling, but I couldn't be happier.

I love the sound (standard exhaust still), it's a full size bike which fits my 6-3 / 110kg frame just right and it has no trouble hauling me along the motorway at 110kph, it even has some left over for passing at that speed. DB is right about the neutral thing (at least on my 2008 model anyway), but you can improve it with a little fine tuning of the clutch cable I found.

So far I've put 19,000km on it commuting back and forth to the city each day. I service it regulalry and have done a couple of oil changes myself. Here's what I've had to do to it so far:

New chain and sprockets at 12,000km (bit of a bummer, but I was prepared to replace some consumables like this given the low price)
New starter motor (replaced under warranty)
New clutch cable (snapped at 17,000km, replaced it myself, cost $49 and took 30 minutes)

The factory fitted Shinko tyres that some on KB love to hate on are just fine. I'm a conservative rider (but not a nana, I like to get a decent lean on through roundabouts :-) but I've never had any trouble. They still have plenty of tread left too after 19,000km.

It's also great on gas. I get at least 420km out of each tank which cost between $24-$29 to fill up.

It's a great commuter that I plan to hang on to for as long as I have to commute 50km each way to get to work.

And lastly, the Hyosung importer have set up a retail shop in Takapuna, I stopped in there the other night to have a look at the new 2010 EFi version you're considering and it looks great. I plan to head in there to have a ride of some of the other Hyos to see how it compares my little trooper :-)

Bottom line....if you don't plan on thrashing the thing and dropping the clutch at every set of traffic lights, service it regularly, you'll be more than happy on the GT250. Nothing has ever fallen off it either (including me...touch wood).

[BiK3RChiK]

Hi guys. Did either of you have any of the issues I mentioned earlier: clutch cable/side stand/peg vibrations? Or any others for that matter?

I did about 17,000 km's on the GT250 R. It had a side-stand switch problem which was replaced under warranty. We haven't replaced any clutch cables that I'm aware of, and I don't have any peg vibration issues. I've probably done about 5,000 km's on the 650 Comet. The only other thing on the GT-R was it would cut out in the cold on long trips, but after pulling up on the side of the road, it would start again straight away, leaving me to think that it was the fuel tank vacuuming down. We did the tank gasket mod on it, but it didn't seem to make much difference. Since it happened so rarely though, we kind of left it.

We service our bikes regularly and take good care of them, and I think that can make a world of difference.

Also, there are other Hyo 650's out there, just not as many as there are 250's and they look so similar that when you see them, you wouldn't recognise it's a 650 unless you looked closely.

All the best choosing... That can be half the fun :D

[CookMySock]

there are other Hyo 650's out there, just not as many as there are 250's and they look so similar that when you see them, you wouldn't recognise it's a 650 unless you looked closely.Or else if it has an unbaffled shorty screaming demon on it - then you will know. :crazy:

Steve


Steve

[Racey Rider]

Front end is very dodgy..... shakes it's head VERY easily.

I've done about 1200km on the GT-r pushing it hard on country roads and race track. Thought the forks are a bit spongy std, only once have I had any shake out of it, (and that was when I was coming back onto the track.... from the grass...... at speed..... :o )

[CookMySock]

Had one headshake from the 650R.. was doing about 140 in a mildly tight sweeper and there was a little rise that caused the forks to extend right out.. bars did about three quite violent cycles and then it was gone. It never did it again. Was probably the worn tyres. Not amusing.

Steve

[Scorp]

Big thanks to everyone for all the feedback...

:2thumbsup

I'd particularly like to thank Skuzzlebutt, OldSteve, Lurch, Dangerous, BikerChik and ckai for taking the time to post what you did. It's great for a beginner to get this kind of feedback, all your comments were really helpful. What a great site this is, and what a great bunch of people on it! Love the way the old hands (and learners too) are so willing to share their experiences and opinions. Oh, and thanks to meowmix and DarkLord too.


Hiya mate. I own a 2008 Hyosung Comet, the GT250 you're thinking about.......I bought it new a year ago in a run out sale for $5990 and love it. It's the only bike I've ever owned so don't have much to compare it too in terms of performance or handling, but I couldn't be happier.......... Bottom line....if you don't plan on thrashing the thing and dropping the clutch at every set of traffic lights, service it regularly, you'll be more than happy on the GT250. Nothing has ever fallen off it either (including me...touch wood).


I don't understand the argument around the Hyo being slow, if anything it's a benefit for the short duration that you are on your learners/restricted in that you are less likely to fuck yourself up by trying to race your 'mates' on their overpriced learner bikes...........The '07 Hyosung GT250R that I owned from almost new took me all around the north island and served me flawlessly for the 15,000kms that I needed it for prior to getting my 6F.

These two quotes pretty much sum up the kind of bike I'm after and the kind of rider attitude I share... I want a sound 250 for really "learning" the craft of motorcycling on, not for going anywhere fast.

I work from home and don't need it for commuting, so my sole focus is going to be on learning and practicing basic skills - slow maneouvering, clutch control, throttle control, countersteering - and turning those basics into second nature.

So thanks guys. My decision is pretty much made up. As soon as I buy...

:soon:

I'll let you know how it all goes. Cheers!

[StoneY]

I took one round Taupo racetrack at the Red Baron Extravaganza....

Nice handling bike, but for gods sake dont hang out in the fast line youll get bowled (hehe)

nah mate go hard they look like a good learner machine for sure
:)

[macdo]

Coming late to this but had an 06 Comet in the garage for about six months. Daily commuter for my son who is tall and it fits him. I play on it at weekends. He sat on a VTR and it was cramped for him, so size is probably the main reason he went for the Hyo. Only problem so far with the Hyo is finding neutral and a problem changing from 5th to 4th if you haven't completely engaged 5th. That was simply a matter of learning to make the upchange positively. Played with the clutch adjustment and neutral can still be elusive.
Runs on Pirellis which seem sticky enough for 250 speeds. The suspension isn't the most sophisticated in the world. Could use the ability to preload but it's fine for day to day and learning. I suspect it's going to stay as a cheap to run commuter for a few years yet.

[CookMySock]

Only problem so far with the Hyo is finding neutral and a problem changing from 5th to 4th if you haven't completely engaged 5th.Put a thinner engine oil in it. The trans on these bikes don't like thick oil.

Steve

[macdo]

Put a thinner engine oil in it. The trans on these bikes don't like thick oil.

Steve

Currently 10w-40 as per the book. How does the engine get by on thinner oil? I'd rather cope w neutral hunting than speed up engine wear.

[CookMySock]

Currently 10w-40 as per the book. How does the engine get by on thinner oil? I'd rather cope w neutral hunting than speed up engine wear.Try one of the synthetics or maybe a 10W30. It does free up a bit once you get some km's on the bike.

Steve

[Scorp]

Well... I said I'd report back about this, and I'm pleased to say that I'm now the proud owner of a shiny black new Hyo GT250N :D

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Thanks to everyone for their advice, especially Old Steve ;)

And a special thanks to Dave & Trish at Bay City Motorcycles, Tauranga.

[Wannabiker]

Nice bike. I had the 250R. Bags of fun and great learner bike....with amazing fuel economy and a huge gas tank.... Upper Hutt to Napier on a tankfull with plenty left for running around.Regularly took mine to Hamilton and back, and around the south island. Never missed a beat. Replaced the chain at 10K and clutch cable at 15K...which seems to ring true with some other's experiences. Just fit a decent qiality chain when it comes time to replace it, and you should be sweet. Mine had the hard-to-find neutral, but regular oil changes help.

[CookMySock]

Nice. Now, you know what you have to do next, don't you? :yes:

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Steve

[Lurch]

Nice one Scorp, congrats on your new bike!

[meowmix]

Damn the new ones look sharp. Grats.

[trailblazer]

nice bike mate. Is it a new efi 2010 model. You will have a blast out there on your new toy. If you are ever over this way send a pm and if you want some company on a ride i will tag along. Dam im going to have to get a pipe for my bike now DB my mrs will be so stoked. Lol.

[CookMySock]

Shit yeah bro, the 250 hyos just lurrrrve a loud pipe on them!

There's lots of hyos in the BOP now. Time for a hyo ride sometime!

Steve

[Scorp]

Nice. Now, you know what you have to do next, don't you? :yes:
Steve
It's... ahem... already been fitted. :innocent:



nice bike mate. Is it a new efi 2010 model.
:yes: Sure is.

[Tank]

Well... I said I'd report back about this, and I'm pleased to say that I'm now the proud owner of a shiny black new Hyo GT250N :D

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Its black, naked, and a hobag.

Meh - 2 out of 3 is a pass. Congratulations on the new bike - and I hope you get a ton of enjoyment out of it! I reckon its one of the best looking learners bikes out there. IMHO

[Old Steve]

I met Scorp @ the Hyosung agents a couple of weekends ago, I really thought he was going to buy the red one. But black is the new black :yes: Nice looking bike Scorp, sorry we won't be able to ride together, yours will make my '05 cruiser look too shabby. And yeah DB, they already have Demon pipes on as standard.

As we've discussed, there's a lot of rides in the area, and Browny's Bar and cafe seems like an ideal place to meet - a nice ride there for both of us. Then later we can amble over to Edgecumbe and see Dangerous Bastard - great cafe at Maketu on the way and the coast road is a dream for a learner.

Get up on it and do as many k's as you can. I'm going to be clicking up 4000 km soon, maybe this weekend, and I've only had the bike 11 weeks tomorrow.

Good on you Scorp, NICE looking bike.

[CookMySock]

they already have Demon pipes on as standard.LOL that's a sharp idea to do that. Loud-piped hyos sound the business.

Do the recent EFI hyos crackle and pop when you throttle off? Two of ours had their pilots set too rich, and they just went moooaaaaarrrrrr on throttle-off. That was an easy adjustment, and back to crackle-pop-bang-boom! lol.

Steve

[BiK3RChiK]

As we've discussed, there's a lot of rides in the area, and Browny's Bar and cafe seems like an ideal place to meet - a nice ride there for both of us. Then later we can amble over to Edgecumbe and see Dangerous Bastard - great cafe at Maketu on the way and the coast road is a dream for a learner.

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If you are going to browny's brewery and cafe you can pick up the BOP Tag while there and set a new one! Keep that thing alive...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/103045-BOP-Tagorama/page11?highlight=BOP+Tagorama

[Gubb]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I started on a GT205R, and am currently on a Street Triple. I assume DB and his Missus have already chipped in with the virtues of a bike whose frame is made out of 90% Labrador.

If I had to do it all over again, i'd avoid the Hyosung. I blew the piston out of the side of the engine 5 days after the Warranty finished, and Hyosung NZ couldn't give a rats arse about it. Looking back on it, i'd have been far happier with a 2nd hand bike, and not buying new.

We all make silly mistakes, and i've learned from mine. Avoid Hyosung the best you can. Mine had all sorts of bits fall off too.

Good luck though, hope your experience is better than mine.

[Old Steve]

Two of ours had their pilots set too rich, and they just went moooaaaaarrrrrr on throttle-off. That was an easy adjustment, and back to crackle-pop-bang-boom! lol. Steve

Gotta agree Steve, My GV250 makes a lovely crackle-pop when I throtle off. And with the back baffles off it makes a lovely ponka-ponka pulling torque at low revs.

[Skuzzlebutt]

Enjoy your new toy Scorp. Very jealous about your pipe. Had a listen to one on a 250 the other day and it sounded great. Sadly, too many $$$ for me to justify making my bike sound better :-)

[CookMySock]

EHad a listen to one on a 250 the other day and it sounded great. Sadly, too many $$$ for me to justify making my bike sound better :-)I found a new stainless 50mm straight-through cheapie and fitted it to my daughters' 250 comet. It's not quite as loud and sharp as the SD, but its still bloody good. $60 plus an hour s work with the grinder.

So you don't have to spend a lot of money.

Steve

[trailblazer]

im trying to get a secondhand screamin demon exhaust at the mo but i don't think i could justify the $500 they want for a new one. Db if you here of any forsale send me a pm.

[CookMySock]

It's just time digging through trademe, bro. Something will turn up eventually.

Steve

[Gibbo89]

hey mate, just having a read of your thread. not sure if this is exactly what your after:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Exhaust/auction-289383350.htm

might be though...? :done:

[CookMySock]

That will rattle some windows for sure.

Steve

[trailblazer]

i am already leading the bidding on that so i hope i get it but auction finishs while im at work on monday. If not there are a couple of nz made ones on there for $300 that i might get instead.

[pc220]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I started on a GT205R, and am currently on a Street Triple. I assume DB and his Missus have already chipped in with the virtues of a bike whose frame is made out of 90% Labrador.

If I had to do it all over again, i'd avoid the Hyosung. I blew the piston out of the side of the engine 5 days after the Warranty finished, and Hyosung NZ couldn't give a rats arse about it. Looking back on it, i'd have been far happier with a 2nd hand bike, and not buying new.

We all make silly mistakes, and i've learned from mine. Avoid Hyosung the best you can. Mine had all sorts of bits fall off too.

Good luck though, hope your experience is better than mine.

Just to put Gubbs experiance into perspective. A mate of mine bought a couple of brand new Caterpillar excavators for his logging crew. One of them dropped a valve after only 8 hours work. Whereas the Cat excavator I operate has close to 14000 hours on the clock and never had engine issues. Just goes to show that even the best brands can have a bad day.

[Scorp]

That will rattle some windows for sure.

Steve
I just love the way they call them "silencers". Heh ;)

[-Alias-]

I have a cycleworks can on mine, and it sounds the business alright. And yep it does that awesome crackle, pop boom on deceleration!

Be loud, be heard, be seen. Thats my motto anyway!

[John_H]

I have a cycleworks can on mine, and it sounds the business alright. And yep it does that awesome crackle, pop boom on deceleration!

Be loud, be heard, be seen. Thats my motto anyway!

I've got a 650 naked with a scorpion can and it is amazingly loud, sounds awesome.

[Old Steve]

I've got a 2005 GV250 with the back baffles removed (drill out 3 pop rivets on each moffler). Yeah, does the crackle and pop, love it. I love the way it sounds at about 3000 to 4000 rpm with some throttle on, and when I throttle off - luverly!

Yeah, Be loud, be heard, be seen!!!

[DarkLord]

I've done about 1200km on the GT-r pushing it hard on country roads and race track. Thought the forks are a bit spongy std, only once have I had any shake out of it, (and that was when I was coming back onto the track.... from the grass...... at speed..... :o )

You're lucky mate... mine used to shake it's head all the time... nearly every ride.... had some real violent ones on it too! Now my mate who bought it off me says the same thing!!

Was still a good bike for me though, while I had it. 48,000 k's on the clock and still going strong. Wouldn't go back though, my 2001 SV650s blitzes it in every department, and I've just got it just how I want it as well so I'm a happy camper :)

[CookMySock]

Try the GT650 with a shorty screaming demon with the baffle removed. It's fooken violent, LOL.

Steve

[Insanity_rules]

I've finally come to the conclusion that I'd prefer to learn to ride on a standard naked bike rather than a cruiser or a sports bike, so out with all those ideas about Viragos and Ninjas (I've also realized that naked bikes are what turn my head anyway - one day a Street Triple or an XJ6N, hopefully!).

Boiled it down to a second hand Honda VTR, a Hornet, or a new Hyo GT250N Efi.

The more I think about it, the keener I am on the new Hyo - seems like a great value package. And with 5 to 10 year old VTRs and Hornets going for around the $5k mark, it just seems to make more sense to pay the extra for a new Hyo with 2 year/unlimited Km warranty and EFI.

But I'm really keen to hear from any other riders out there with GT250s. I've read a few owner reviews on other sites complaining about a peg vibration at 5,000 revs, this review mentions it too (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2009/road/hyosung/aquila-gv250/launch-hyosung-250cc-efi-range-16612). Also heard some talk about faulty side stand sensors causing high speed stalling and clutch cable and chain problems; not to mention and all those (normally people who don't own them) who bang on about build quality.

So if you ride, or have ridden a Hyo GT250, what do you reckon about these issues, and the pros and cons of going for a 2010 EFI model over a second hand VTR or Hornet?

Thanks for any advice guys!

Friends (or for that matter fellow KBers) don't let friends buy Hyosungs.......................................... ....... LOL Just kidding, Seem like an ok bike and a bit of a bargain so if you like riding them then buy one. I don't think the resale value is as good as the honda but who can argue with a modern Injected 250 that seems well built for that price.

I rode an early one (carbed) and found it quite comfortable and not gutless but the brakes were a bit shit. They must have fixed that by now.

[-Alias-]

I rode an early one (carbed) and found it quite comfortable and not gutless but the brakes were a bit shit. They must have fixed that by now.

Yeah brakes are shit on my '06. Apparantly new pads help alot as the factory ones are pretty much bung.

[Dodger]

Im a very happy boy :)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=292865569

[CookMySock]

Im a very happy boy :)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=292865569You cunt! How did I miss that? Growl!

Steve

[Hiflyer]

Im a very happy boy :)
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=292865569

WTF has he done to his bike!? haha looks like crap without the fairings

[Dodger]

WTF has he done to his bike!? haha looks like crap without the fairings

Looks like a GT250 with the GT250R dash and clipons.
hmm and only one mirror?

[Hiflyer]

Looks like a GT250 with the GT250R dash and clipons.
hmm and only one mirror?

Na it's the GT250R, I took the fairngs off my old one and it looked like that. you can tell by the headlight

[meowmix]

It are a fytrr

[Dodger]

Na it's the GT250R, I took the fairngs off my old one and it looked like that. you can tell by the headlight
also the foot pegs now that I look a little harder.

[trailblazer]

You cunt! How did I miss that? Growl!

Steve

was on my watchlist but was at work when auction finished and missed the end of auction by 15min.

[Scorp]

Well, I said I'd post back and let you all know how the Hyo's running. Sadly (long story), I only got the bike back from Tauranga a week and a half ago. I've been out pretty much every other day since for short runs (40-50kms) around some quite roads, only done 350kms so far, but loved every one of them.

I love the bike, no real problems selecting gears or finding neutral, just beginner rustiness which is now wearing off. Feels very smooth to ride, just as much power as I want, great riding position, and love the sound she makes on throttle off.

All round a very happy guy! :yes:

[_john_]

Iv also got the GT250N mate and love it to bits. Smooth for a 75 degree V-twin and plenty of power for what it is. Have you looked into getting a screamin demon muffler for yours? Only $500 or so and make a great sound!

As for re-sale i reackon you'l be fine, 250 prices are only going up as its a huge market.

[Scorp]

Have you looked into getting a screamin demon muffler for yours?
Hard to tell from the profile pic, but yep, there's an SD on her alright. http://bit.ly/9WVPmR

As I said on another thread: "sound fantastic throttling off, like she's thinking dirty thoughts and chuckling to you under your arse!"

[Camshaft]

had hyo for 2 years, onli snapped 2 clutch caples n the whole time not other problems, get bored very fast tho, heavy nd slo

[c0mmuter]

I've finally come to the conclusion that I'd prefer to learn to ride on a standard naked bike rather than a cruiser or a sports bike, so out with all those ideas about Viragos and Ninjas (I've also realized that naked bikes are what turn my head anyway - one day a Street Triple or an XJ6N, hopefully!).

Boiled it down to a second hand Honda VTR, a Hornet, or a new Hyo GT250N Efi.

The more I think about it, the keener I am on the new Hyo - seems like a great value package. And with 5 to 10 year old VTRs and Hornets going for around the $5k mark, it just seems to make more sense to pay the extra for a new Hyo with 2 year/unlimited Km warranty and EFI.

But I'm really keen to hear from any other riders out there with GT250s. I've read a few owner reviews on other sites complaining about a peg vibration at 5,000 revs, this review mentions it too (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2009/road/hyosung/aquila-gv250/launch-hyosung-250cc-efi-range-16612). Also heard some talk about faulty side stand sensors causing high speed stalling and clutch cable and chain problems; not to mention and all those (normally people who don't own them) who bang on about build quality.

So if you ride, or have ridden a Hyo GT250, what do you reckon about these issues, and the pros and cons of going for a 2010 EFI model over a second hand VTR or Hornet?

Thanks for any advice guys!

Hi, I am well over 100kg in weight and 1.84 metres in height. I travel over 350 miles a week on my hyo 250 efi naked and it is comfortable, quite rapid and economic. Hyo dealers in this part of the world are not to be trusted and therefore I am in charge of my own maintenance. One thing is for sure, if you are a novice, change the standard Shinko tyres for something with a name you recognise. As regards comparison with any other current offering, the price of the hyo was much better and also the physical amount of room on the bike swung the ballance in its favour. I have ridden bike produced solely for the whims of the little people and they just dont work. :) So that counts out the kawasaki ninja. If you aim to use the bike as a route to something else, then the Hyo is also good in that it is cheaper to buy and therefore cheaper to sell on.
If you know nothing at all about how to look after a bike and you dont really want to know anything either, then you will no doubt eventually regret buying a hyo because , like I said earlier, if I dont fix it, I doubt that our local dealers can either.
Hyosung have made bikes and parts for Suzuki since the early 1980s and so there is nothing seriously wrong with them at all except that most people think theyre chinese and most mechanics look down their noses at them and would rather starve than be caught working on one.
I have tried to be as honest as possible. My 250efi has been with me for 6 months and 7500 miles and it has been faultless, but it never sees a dealer, it only gets serviced by me.

[Tigadee]

True, but part of that reason might be that S. Korea labour costs are lower than Japan the US and Europe. Plus, Hyosung is hungry for market share.

Valid points...