Stealing my neighbor's internets

[SpankMe]

Seriously, if you leave your WiFi connection unlocked, what do you expect?

[Gremlin]

lol, can't beat visiting a client, finding an unsecured network, asking, and finding out it's next door, top notch lawyer etc. Couldn't find any computers, but logged into his modem. Advised client to tell neighbour...

[Cloggy]

lol, can't beat visiting a client, finding an unsecured network, asking, and finding out it's next door, top notch lawyer etc. Couldn't find any computers, but logged into his modem. Advised client to tell neighbour...
Haha, did pretty much the same.
Neighbours got wireless internet at the same time they got a dog which wouldn't stop barking.
So got into their modem and renamed their internet connection "Noisy Dog". I should have put a password in at the same time to make it a little harder for them to change once they realised they were logging into "Noisy Dog".
Anyway, they got the message.

[TerminalAddict]

meh my wifi is open, and plugged in to an amp .. and still my neighbors won't steal it :cry:

[CookMySock]

Use - don't abuse. Wifi is so useful like that - it'd be great if everyone shared.

Steve

[imdying]

What do I expect? Maybe the same as if I park my car in the driveway, thieving fuckwits not to steal it? It's an offense that carries a decent fine and/or jail time in this country btw, but I guess that doesn't bother you, didn't stop you on the last one.

[bogan]

oh noes, think of the industry! if you all abuse it there won't be one :p

we pay to share a mates Internet connection, and had to buy $400 worth of wireless gear to get enough signal!

[p.dath]

Just because stealing something is easy doesn't make it right ... and if you didn't pay for it, and are deriving a benefit from something that someone else has paid for, you can be reasonably confident you are stealing.

Just because someone leaves there car unlocked does not make it ok to steal their car. Sure they might be foolish to leave it unlocked - but it is still not right to steal the car.

I'm not aware of any cases in NZ yet where there has been successful prosecution for WiFi bandwidth theft, but it has certainly happened overseas (Britain was the last case I read about).

[Tank]

It depends on the situation - if Im downloading something that would land me in jail - I use the neighbours wi-fi.




p/t for those of you on the rag or living in Edgecumbe

[SpankMe]

Well if you want to dob me in, I can give you the number of the Bangkok police, :Police: but I think they have more serious problems to deal with. Like dealing with the brink of a civil war.:2guns:

Anyway, I'm not really stealing, more like just using. It's like those bullshit piracy ads before movies, asking if you would steal a car. No I wouldn't, but if I could make a free copy of one I would. :p

[Sentox]

Anyway, I'm not really stealing, more like just using. It's like those bullshit piracy ads before moves, asking if you would steal a car. No I wouldn't, but if I could make a free copy of one I would. :p

It depends, though, if the owner has a flat-rate or data-based plan. Plus you're crowding out some of their bandwidth, if they happen to be using it at the same time.

Those piracy ads are retarded. Especially when you consider that the only people who have to see them are the paying customers.

[slofox]

It depends on the situation - if Im downloading something that would land me in jail - I use the neighbours wi-fi.

Good thinking, Tank...

Knew a guy years ago got caught using the neighboour's gas line..he'd burrowed under the boundary and tapped into their main...the constabulary took a pretty dim view of his activities funnily enough...as did the gas Co...no sense of adventure or enterprise those buggers!

[Latte]

One place we lived in there was no more room on the exchange. So we hooked into a neighbours wireless connection, about a week in we approached him, and offered to secure it and pay towards the rental if we could share it. Ended up never getting DSL when the exchange freed up.

[Tank]

. It's like those bullshit piracy ads before movies, asking if you would steal a car. No I wouldn't, but if I could make a free copy of one I would. :p

People do that to:

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[Hitcher]

Just about every motel in the USA and Canada has free, unlocked wifi. You never see people in cars parked up outside these flogging bandwidth. Why not? Because bandwidth over there is largely ubiquitous and cheap.

[Insanity_rules]

Just goes to show RTFM or hire a professional to install it for you!

[The Stranger]

Just because stealing something is easy doesn't make it right ... and if you didn't pay for it, and are deriving a benefit from something that someone else has paid for, you can be reasonably confident you are stealing.

Just because someone leaves there car unlocked does not make it ok to steal their car. Sure they might be foolish to leave it unlocked - but it is still not right to steal the car.

I'm not aware of any cases in NZ yet where there has been successful prosecution for WiFi bandwidth theft, but it has certainly happened overseas (Britain was the last case I read about).

Wouldn't you also run foul of NZ's anti hacking laws? You are after all joining their network.
Our anti hacking laws were at the time of enactment amognst the most wide reaching and if I recall correctly pretty severe.

[oldrider]

Just about every motel in the USA and Canada has free, unlocked wifi. You never see people in cars parked up outside these flogging bandwidth. Why not? Because bandwidth over there is largely ubiquitous and cheap.

I know a guy (couple) who do that all the time, all over NZ and where ever they tour overseas!

They are so smug about it too. :mellow: Cheap cunts if you ask me! :sick: But then again, nobody did! :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

yup I am using the neighbors one now

on a netbook on kitchen table I have a dedicated line to my house but the neighbors is quite a good link and I havent set up my WIFI yet ( log on to website and enter my details

I was talking to neighbor the other day , asked if it was ok , no problem as its ( as is everyone ) unlimited and 12mbps so all good

Wifi should be as free as air ( or at least the road ) , as it is the new road of the future,, small rates increase wireless hot spots all over the cbd

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

"Free" wifi might not be so free, there is some pretty crafty packet sniffing software available so even someone with very little IT knowlage can read passwords, email and unsecure instant messaging (which is pretty much all the common instant messaging software). Beware the honey trap - Google promiscuous packet capture.

[Trudes]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/115/299002833_78df6e1c43.jpg

[Elysium]

meh my wifi is open, and plugged in to an amp .. and still my neighbors won't steal it :cry:

Can I ask what would happen if they did connect? Explain as I aint an tech expert.

[p.dath]

Wouldn't you also run foul of NZ's anti hacking laws? You are after all joining their network.
Our anti hacking laws were at the time of enactment amognst the most wide reaching and if I recall correctly pretty severe.

Section 252 refers to unauthorised access of a computer system (already been called as a witness in the High Court on one of these). I guess a network would be considered part of a computer system.

So yeah, I guess you could be be charged with both theft and a section 252. Section 252 is a bit nastier though, as I understand it is considered more serious, and can only be heard by the high court (not a district court).

[Slyer]

Section 252 refers to unauthorised access of a computer system (already been called as a witness in the High Court on one of these). I guess a network would be considered part of a computer system.

So yeah, I guess you could be be charged with both theft and a section 252. Section 252 is a bit nastier though, as I understand it is considered more serious, and can only be heard by the high court (not a district court).
God you're a weenie.
It's illegal to tape the radio too you know...

[Winston001]

Hmmm....only ever done it once. Chanced across a neighbours wi-fi signal and logged on for a couple of minutes. I've hunted for open signals just for the fun of it when staying in a motel and recently in hospital. Plenty of modems out there but every one of them protected. Are unprotected signals now unusual?

[The Stranger]

God you're a weenie.
It's illegal to tape the radio too you know...

It feels wierd, but I got to agree with p.dath on this one. (this better not wind up in your sig p.dath)
1) Just because you can steal something should you?
I mean, that's maha morals.
2) It doesn't look so good when an IT professional knowingly breaks the law in his profession. Would you hire someone to administer your network and who has access to your sensitive business and/or personal information if they had a conviction for - or were known (or believed) to routinely flout - or be ignorant of the laws in this area?

Do you think it would help his business for him to have such a rep?
Would you trust a cop who dealt drugs? Or an accountant who'd stolen money?

I don't actually see it as being judgemental. He's not telling you what to do, simply educating people and saying it's not for him.

[Slyer]

I'm saying use it but don't abuse it. There's a big difference between using someone's wifi to check your emails when travelling and using their wifi every day of the year to download your 4.5gig horse porn MKV's.
But heck, I've never even owned a device with wireless capability.

[The Stranger]

I'm saying use it but don't abuse it. There's a big difference between using someone's wifi to check your emails when travelling and using their wifi every day of the year to download your 4.5gig horse porn MKV's.


Man you should see someone about that horse porn addiction.



What's the link?

[SpankMe]

It's like those bullshit piracy ads before movies, asking if you would steal a car. No I wouldn't, but if I could make a free copy of one I would. :p

:lol::killingme

[SMOKEU]

All you need is WifiKill to start trolling, it works especially well on the macfags.

Even better is when they leave the default admin/admin user name and password, then change the SSID to add moar lulz.

[Tigadee]

Just because stealing something is easy doesn't make it right ...

Tell that to the bloody politicians and Auckland city council!

[Flip]

Stealing is theft.

If you can justify taking anything because it is not locked you have little moral fibre and you are a thief.

What more is there to say.

[Akzle]

Stealing is theft.

If you can justify taking anything because it is not locked you have little moral fibre and you are a thief.

What more is there to say.

something about jews...

[Mushu]

I steal internet every where I go using my phone, most people just give me their wifi passwords but there are plenty of other ways to get access. And my phone tells me if there is an unsecure network in the area.

I did used to have my laptop and playstation on my neighbors network, but he was a gc so I kept downloads to a minimum.

[SMOKEU]

Stealing is theft.

If you can justify taking anything because it is not locked you have little moral fibre and you are a thief.

What more is there to say.

Depriving a tangible asset from the rightful owner is theft. Connecting to a computer network with the intention of gaining internet access is not.


something about jews...

+1 to that.

[bogan]

Depriving a tangible asset from the rightful owner is theft. Connecting to a computer network with the intention of gaining internet access is not.

Unless of course you would otherwise pay for that service, in which case it is depriving someone of income...

[SMOKEU]

Unless of course you would otherwise pay for that service, in which case it is depriving someone of income...

Even the cheapest 802.11 AP has WPA2 these days. There's no excuse for having insecure WiFi.

[bogan]

Even the cheapest 802.11 AP has WPA2 these days. There's no excuse for having insecure WiFi.

Ah yes, the 'taking candy from a baby' justification, always an adequate defense :whistle:

[Akzle]

http://xkcd.com/341/
. .

[Smifffy]

Ah yes, the 'taking candy from a baby' justification, always an adequate defense :whistle:

TBH, this many years after the OP, it has paractically become the norm that if the WiFi is not access protected then the 'owner' is granting the free use/sharing of it. most are then named with free or public.

Cracking the security though is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

[bogan]

TBH, this many years after the OP, it has paractically become the norm that if the WiFi is not access protected then the 'owner' is granting the free use/sharing of it. most are then named with free or public.

Cracking the security though is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

I wouldn't say that, still many people who just haven't set em up right.

Ours is called 'freewifi' but its password protected cos we're just cunts :bleh:

[Smifffy]

I wouldn't say that, still many people who just haven't set em up right.

Ours is called 'freewifi' but its password protected cos we're just cunts :bleh:

I had no end of trouble getting ours to work, so had security turned off until we could get all the connections sorted. Had a bunch of oldies as neighbours so never bothered securing it.

New neighbours' kids started connecting though, so now it be secured and renamed No-WIFI-4u haven't seen em on the network since

[Mushu]

I wouldn't say that, still many people who just haven't set em up right.

Ours is called 'freewifi' but its password protected cos we're just cunts :bleh:

If its called freewifi and someone gets your passwords and downloads heaps of crap then gets caught, I wonder if the name would be enough to get them off of whatever charges can be laid on people doing these sorts of things. I always put the word virus in my SSID although I doubt it would stop anyone anyway.

[Clockwork]

All you need is WifiKill to start trolling, it works especially well on the macfags.

Even better is when they leave the default admin/admin user name and password, then change the SSID to add moar lulz.

'Struth.... you really are a tosser, arn't you.