View Full Version : Toyota surf or Nissan Terrano?
firefighter
3rd May 2010, 14:28
Obligatory mention that I know this is a bike forum.
I'm looking for a 4x4, and have found two which i'm deciding between.
I do'nt care so much for 4x4 ability too much, I already know Toyota surfs are better off-road. In all reality, it will be used more than 90% on-road, and will only really go up the odd rivers and down the odd beach and to the snow which both will happily do and in all reality could probably be done in a rav-4.
The two are a 1994 2.7 Diesel Terrano, and a 1992 2.4 Diesel Toyota Hilux Surf.
The Terrano has 70odd more kms, and immaculate for it's age.
The Surf obviously has the lower kms, and is above average for it's age.
The surf is a little more expensive, doe'st have a turbo timer, although looking at the owners it probably did'nt need one!(but still something I would get) It needs a new rego and some RUC's to get it the same as the terrano. Oh, and it has a sunroof!
The Terrano has a rego until Dec, 10000kms and of-course a functional turbo timer.
My plusses and minusses for the two.
Surf: - Would need to purchase a rego and user miles and turbo timer, not quite as tidy as the terrano.(close) Initial cost is $400 higher, before the rego, RUC and turbo timer. (so possibly more like $800+ more expensive)
+ IMO Looks a little better than the terrano, has less kms, feels a little gruntier even with a smaller engine......although they are probably about the same, hardly used over the last 5 years (second vehicle/seems genuine enough)
Terrano - Does'nt quite look as good, (although one of those vehicles that kinda "look good" for that model/I was quite surprised how much it did appeal to me) no sunroof, higher kms, did'nt feel quite as quick as the surf but I drove 3 surfs after the terrano so memory is biased I think.
+ Pretty immaculate, looks as if the current owner is as pedantic as me, $400 cheaper (not including the RUCs, rego and Turbo timer the surf still needs) and good to go, plenty of rego until dec, heaps of RUCs to go.
So which is a better vehicle? :blink: To me they're so close i'm literally thinking of tossing a coin, there's the Toyota reliability thing, but in saying that, the Nissan's are just as if not more reliable......
Purely going off price, the Terrano wins, as the Surf is more expensive from the start and needs a few things, but is better looking and i've owned a Surf I was really happy with before, and it did feel a bit more peppy. In saying that, the Terrano was more comfortable and pretty spotless, and I would'nt have to do a thing to until the end of the year..........oh, and it's two years younger.
Which way would you go and why? Have any info on either model you think would be important?
jim.cox
3rd May 2010, 14:35
Mate of mine has a Terrano - and its been nothing but a pile of trouble - go the Smurf
Bloody hard to go past a Toyota,even easier to make a decision when the other options a Nissan.I am somewhat biased as i sold them for years,they are though a bloody good vehicle.
spajohn
3rd May 2010, 15:09
Def the Surf, the engine is pretty bullet proof, can't go wrong.
About 6 months ago I bought myself a mint 93 Terrano, 2.7 turbo diesel with 179,000km on the clock.
When I was looking I found the prices of the Surfs ridiculous for what they were so went with the Terrano. Scored myself a recaro optioned model, had no dramas with it at all, perfect.
Oh, the Terranos use a timing chain not a belt. One less maintenance item.
quickbuck
3rd May 2010, 15:41
Neither for me..... As they are cages...
But as the missus wants one.. one day, then I would actually go with the surf.
She has had the use of a Terrano for a past few months, and has grown to hate it!
Mind, the complaints she has had are all related to it being a perfect off road vehicle...
The owner used to have a Land Rover, and rated the Terrano highly.
Take that either way....
firefighter
3rd May 2010, 15:43
About 6 months ago I bought myself a mint 93 Terrano, 2.7 turbo diesel with 179,000km on the clock.
When I was looking I found the prices of the Surfs ridiculous for what they were so went with the Terrano. Scored myself a recaro optioned model, had no dramas with it at all, perfect.
Oh, the Terranos use a timing chain not a belt. One less maintenance item.
Iv'e noticed the same, especially with the two i'm comparing the terrano realistically is probably a better buy, i'm letting looks and favouritism get the better of me I guess. From other sites they seem as reliable as each other, problem being other sites are overseas so I want info from kiwis on how theirs have preformed.
How do you find it at speed/on the open road? Does it keep at 110 pretty happily or is it a bit of a struggle? What's the diesel consumption like and how bad is up-hill stuff?
Cheers
No problems with sitting at 110 or thereabouts. As for hills, don't know sorry - I tend to stay within the city limits (mines a work vehicle and my work is normally within the city boundary).
Economy wise around town I tend to fill up after 450 odd km and put 55 odd litres, can't really be sure as I don't worry about it too much.
Oh, the Terranos use a timing chain not a belt. One less maintenance item.
I'm pretty sure they have gear driven cam/injector pump, should last as long as the engine.
I own a Terrano so I'm probably biased, but when i was looking to buy it stacked up a lot better than a Surf for the same money. The 2.4t toyota engines can have expensive problems, the 2.7t nissans are usually good for around 300k. Terrano manual gearboxes last about 150k before they do the bearings if you tow with them, auto's usually last as long as the engine.
The only thing I've had to do to mine in 7 years and 80k's is the usual oil and filters, and replace some front suspension bits because they tend to wear out a bit quicker when you bash them up river beds and 4wd tracks.
Edit:
How do you find it at speed/on the open road? Does it keep at 110 pretty happily or is it a bit of a struggle? What's the diesel consumption like and how bad is up-hill stuff?
Sits at 110 all day fully loaded no problems, from memory runs around 10l/100k, goes up hills OK as long as you're not in too much of a hurry
CookMySock
3rd May 2010, 16:04
Get the surf, but if you are able to spring a few $$ more go for the 3 litre turbo one. Drive one and you will see why.
Steve
SMOKEU
3rd May 2010, 16:08
The 2.4L turbo diesel Hilux engines are known for cracking heads and blowing starter motors. They are also gutless as fuck.
You think they are gutless? Try a 5dr Nissan Menstrual auto!
paturoa
3rd May 2010, 17:47
The TD27 terrano is one of the most reliable engines around, IF AN ONLY IF they've had regular oil and filter changes. There are heaps of TD27 engines at wreckers and bugger all Toymotas for a good reason.
Things to watch out for on the Terrano are auto tranys with towing big loads and rust under the rear seats.
That model Smurf also cooks auto trannies if towing big loads.
You need the Surf with the Terrano motor.The Toyota 2LT is crap,it will crack a head before it gets anywhere near hot,replacement heads are so bad that they are crack tested new,or have start up warranties.If it breaks a cambelt the camshaft will be smashed and all valves bent...new head again.
The Nissan TD27 is bullet proof,gear drive cam,cast iron head with pushrods.Auto trans in the Terrano is weak,and so is the manual.Double skin rear floor rust in the Terrano,repair is not an option....although not as common as rumoured ,I check several a week,and have never seen a rusty one yet.
CookMySock
3rd May 2010, 17:50
You think they are gutless? Try a 5dr Nissan Menstrual auto!Yeah that'd be right. We drove one and we thought there was something wrong with it. There wasn't.
The biggest problem with the 3L turbo surf is stopping it wheelspinning in the wet.
Steve
firefighter
3rd May 2010, 18:15
Yeah that'd be right. We drove one and we thought there was something wrong with it. There wasn't.
The biggest problem with the 3L turbo surf is stopping it wheelspinning in the wet.
Steve
I had a 1994 3L Diesel Surf. Was absolutely mint. One of those cars where you look at it and it just has a cool look to it, as soon as I saw it I wanted it. Good wrap around bars, good graphics, low genuine kms, good new tyres, serviced, polished regularly, good stereo, no elec or mechanical issues at all. Sold it because I "needed" to get a Kingswood. lol......never stopped regretting selling it. Unfortunately, all the local tidy ones are so expensive compared to other vehicles unless i'm prepared to take it at 300kms or prepared to spend a lot of money on getting it up to spec it's hard to justify spending the money when I can get an equally good alternative in tidier condition, with more "trimmings."
blackdog
3rd May 2010, 18:32
the 2.4 diesel is the only toyota engine i would NOT own. they are renowned for fuel pump issues and blowing head gaskets.
only buy the surf if you have a very good friend who is a diseasel mechanic
the terranos have a pretty good rep for reliability....or find a 2.8 or 3.0 surf
blackdog
3rd May 2010, 18:33
Def the Surf, the engine is pretty bullet proof, can't go wrong.
see above, the 2.4 is the worst engine toyota have ever made
I'd put in a good word for the 3L Turbo surf, my girl has one and it's been pretty good for a good four or five years or so. She's blown one clutch in that time (horse floats plus the old lead foot 'o' death), and I think that was about it.
Having said that, the difference between that and the new model D4D Hilux is night and day.
my D4D would suck in a 3l surf and spit it out the back, i used to have a 02 hilux and a 99 prado with the intercooled 3l, the prado would own the hilux no worries, the D4d would leave the prado in the dust as well, from memory the 2.8 makes 68 kilowats the 3l 95ish kw the D4D 126kw
spajohn
3rd May 2010, 18:44
as long as its not a turbo
A lot of competition guys use the Turbo 3.0 for the reason that it is bullet proof and plenty of grunt. I've had no problem with mine, though I've only done about 30 thou kms on it.
spajohn
3rd May 2010, 18:47
the 2.4 diesel is the only toyota engine i would NOT own. they are renowned for fuel pump issues and blowing head gaskets.
only buy the surf if you have a very good friend who is a diseasel mechanic
the terranos have a pretty good rep for reliability....or find a 2.8 or 3.0 surf
I stand corrected...I'm a 3.0 litre owner.
blackdog
3rd May 2010, 18:49
I stand corrected...I'm a 3.0 litre owner.
love the 3.0's....bombproof and tonnes of go if its the intercooled trubo
3.0 diesel? Are you talking about the 3L (2.8) 5L (3.0) or 1KZ (3.0)? ALL crack heads,although the 3L non turbo is pretty damn good,with rumoured crank problems.
blackdog
3rd May 2010, 18:56
haven't come across a 3 litre with head issues (yet) plenty of 2.4's but
zahria
3rd May 2010, 18:57
I had a non turbo 2.4 hilux doublecab. No problems over the years and 80 000 kms I put on it, used it for everything, and regretted selling it. I treded it for a 94 3l Turbo . Good truck on the road, I found it fragile off road. I went through 2 front diffs and 1 front. The 3l drank heaps more as well, but I reckoned it was worth it for the power.
I wouldn't have another Surf, I'd buy a ute instead. Much more practicle, albeit with a harsher ride.
A lot of competition guys use the Turbo 3.0 for the reason that it is bullet proof and plenty of grunt. I've had no problem with mine, though I've only done about 30 thou kms on it.
i ment the 2.4
2wheeldrifter
3rd May 2010, 19:10
The 2.4L turbo diesel Hilux engines are known for cracking heads and blowing starter motors. They are also gutless as fuck.
So true.... stay away from the Toyota 2.4 gutless shits.... and yes crack heads bad. I had 1991 2.4 turbo... a complete waste of truck with that motor, had it for 3 years and about 60000ks... one cranked head and one cracked turbo housing and still couldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding!
Nissans 2.7 a pretty hard working no fuss motor... never heard of anything bad from them, had Nissans G60's 2.7d and 2.7petrol Patrols and MQ's 3.3td never had a problom with motors or drivetrian...
My opinion and experience :)
Indiana_Jones
3rd May 2010, 19:48
Get a Pink panther!
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3658/3608574678_962871a666.jpg">
-Indy
dangerous
3rd May 2010, 20:04
doe'st have a turbo timer, Oh, and it has a sunroof! dont need a timer, over rated, by the time you drive up ya drive un do the seat belt, cool enough oil has reached the turbo.
sunroofs are a pain in the arse, unless it has a cover.
The two are a 1994 2.7 Diesel Terrano, and a 1992 2.4 Diesel Toyota Hilux Surf. Both Turbo's I hope or Id say neither.
I already know Toyota surfs are better off-road. doubt it, Toyota has no LSD (2wd max) the nissin does (3wd max) the nissin also has beter suspension.
and Turbo timer the surf still needs as above, pointless.
feels a little gruntier even with a smaller engine......although they are probably about the same
The 2.7 should piss all over the 2.4, mainely down low which lets face it is were ya most need it, top end is proberly the same altho the 2.4 will rev harder.
Mate of mine has a Terrano - and its been nothing but a pile of trouble - go the Smurf sounds like my Navara
Def the Surf, the engine is pretty bullet proof, can't go wrong. not compeared to a Nissin, run rings round a toyota, they are basicly a glorified petrol the nissin are the only small diesel thats a proper diesel with push rods not belts.
Terrano manual gearboxes last about 150k before they do the bearings if you tow with them, auto's usually last as long as the engine.
hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa... had mine for 77,000km's and done TWO gear boxs.
yes Nissin have shit house manuals, haviing said that when the last one blew I got from Danieverk to chch by using 4th gear only, and I was loaded with two race bikes and all the gears.
Ok.. cant be fucked reading any further (still on 1st page) heres what I can tell ya.
Had a early 2.4TD surf... bloody great wee truck as long as ya look after it eg: upgraded air filter, biger bore exhaust, regular oil changes with a quality turbo proven oil.
Had a 2.8 hilux D/C... slow gutless but never failed me (have heard of several braking cranks)
Have a 2.7TD Navara... pice a shit replaced everything but the engine, however I think I was riped as it has done far greater km's than it said when I brought it (76k fuck you Rick Armstrong it was a rebuilt wreck, didnt tell me that did ya)
Ok so would I have a Nissin or a Toyota again... well every one has a over priced Toyota very relible very bland and shapless... the Nissin is trouble but Ill have another. (current one has tweked turb, uni filter and 2.5in exhaust with non restricted muffler, not loud tho) Haules 2 bikes on the deck and up to 3 on the trailer + gear + pasangers and gears over the alps with no issues or slowing down.. a Toyota 2.4 will run out a puff.
nallac
3rd May 2010, 20:15
The 2.4L turbo diesel Hilux engines are known for cracking heads and blowing starter motors. They are also gutless as fuck.
see above, the 2.4 is the worst engine toyota have ever made
3.0 diesel? Are you talking about the 3L (2.8) 5L (3.0) or 1KZ (3.0)? ALL crack heads,although the 3L non turbo is pretty damn good,with rumoured crank problems.
as has been saidDON'Tget a 2.4 surf...
made that mistake once,luckly i sold it before the head went again..fuckn gutless......
3.0 diesel? Are you talking about the 3L (2.8) 5L (3.0) or 1KZ (3.0)? ALL crack heads,although the 3L non turbo is pretty damn good,with rumoured crank problems.
260k on my 5L, still mint :D Barely run in I'm told.....
dangerous
3rd May 2010, 20:39
as has been said DON'T get a 2.4 surf...
made that mistake once,luckly i sold it before the head went again..fuckn gutless......
Unfortunatly is a lack of knolage that cracks 2.4 heads, NZ new is fine but imported have a very small exhaust which causes excisive heat build up in the heads, get a good one and replace the exhaust AND rebuild the radiator as imports often have a build up of shit in whats already a small radiator and imports never get serviced.
All but Nissins crack heads specially the Toyota's from the 2.4-3.0 its what ya get from a alloy head on a steel block... Nissin is all steel.
Wana talk Mitsi, mate brought a new D/C 2.8TD at 120,000k's it self destructed.
The bigest cock up owners make is not changing the oil, oil is burnt but a certain amount of diesel passes the rings and ends up in the crank, befor long theres only diesel in the sump... 4-5k ideal milage between changes, engine will damn near last forever.
frogfeaturesFZR
3rd May 2010, 20:47
Got a 2.7 diesel Terrano. Had it for 10 years now. Oil and
filter every 5 k and it's only cost me tyres. Brilliant.
CookMySock
3rd May 2010, 21:08
D4D 126kwNearly 170hp, thats a load of torque, and dangerously close to V8 territory. Even the 1KZ-TE engine will all sorts of cars a fright on hills.
Steve
The new Mitsubishi Triton puts out 408Nm of torque and 131Kw,not bad for a 2.5 (4D56) and will clean up a 3.0 Toyota.
hospitalfood
3rd May 2010, 22:02
I am amazed that nobody has mentioned the fact that this is a motorcycle forum so far..........
Ender EnZed
3rd May 2010, 22:08
I am amazed that nobody has mentioned the fact that this is a motorcycle forum so far..........
The OP did.
SMOKEU
3rd May 2010, 22:15
I find http://www.carsurvey.org/ quite useful when deciding about another cage.
The new Mitsubishi Triton puts out 408Nm of torque and 131Kw,not bad for a 2.5 (4D56) and will clean up a 3.0 Toyota.
until it shits itself
Woodman
3rd May 2010, 22:28
If you are gonna get the surf get the radiator properly checked out and also the injectors to make sure they are not dribbling as this is a big reason they crack heads. A cracked head is a symptom, and they don't just crack for no reason. The 2.4 surfs have a cast iron head not aluminium btw.
terrano engines are pretty bulletproof, but i would still get the radiator and the injectors checked out. They are gear driven pushrod engine so there is no cambelt or chain. Terranos are pretty hard on the balljoints tierod ends etc, but still a good wagon.
Thats all I know.
until it shits itself
The common rail 4D56 has been out for 4 years now,no problems so far.
Woodman
3rd May 2010, 22:34
The common rail 4D56 has been out for 4 years now,no problems so far.
Are you sure they are using the 4d56 as the base for the new mitsi diesels?
Kickaha
3rd May 2010, 22:39
The new Mitsubishi Triton puts out 408Nm of torque and 131Kw,not bad for a 2.5 (4D56) and will clean up a 3.0 Toyota.
That's because most likely the 3.0 Toyota will have shit the clutch
Are you sure they are using the 4d56 as the base for the new mitsi diesels?
Very sure - check one out and prove it for yourself.
firefighter
4th May 2010, 08:37
I am amazed that nobody has mentioned the fact that this is a motorcycle forum so far..........
The OP did.
Amazing innit?! The very first line of my post......
blackdog
4th May 2010, 08:41
Nearly 170hp, thats a load of torque......
Steve
astounding........
dangerous
4th May 2010, 19:41
They are gear driven pushrod engine so there is no cambelt or chain. OK, ok... lets sort this out for once n all.
I was of the belief the Nissin LD27 was pushrod, then I was corrected and told they were cam chain... now someone says pushrod? any one actually know for sure?
Woodman
4th May 2010, 20:08
OK, ok... lets sort this out for once n all.
I was of the belief the Nissin LD27 was pushrod, then I was corrected and told they were cam chain... now someone says pushrod? any one actually know for sure?
Definitely gear driven pushrod. I was an engine reconditioner in a previous life and have rebuilt quite a few of them. Not nearly as many as surf engines but still quite a few.
Edit, just re read your post and you mention a LD27 not a TD27. Terranos have a TD27 which is the pushrod gear driven. There is a LD series of Nissan engines which have an OHC chain driven cam, but they are only 2.0 litres( LD20)
Motu i will check that out. Good old 4d56.
The L20 has a belt driven OHC and injector pump.The LD28 has a chain OHC,and the injector pump is driven by a belt.I know of no LD27.The CD20 has separate belts driving cam and pump - the pump is belt driven off the back of the OHC.The RD28 is belt drive OHC.The TD23/27 is gear driven pushrod.
Woodman
4th May 2010, 20:36
The L20 has a belt driven OHC and injector pump.The LD28 has a chain OHC,and the injector pump is driven by a belt.I know of no LD27.The CD20 has separate belts driving cam and pump - the pump is belt driven off the back of the OHC.The RD28 is belt drive OHC.The TD23/27 is gear driven pushrod.
Correct, although the first ld20 engines (4 cyl) had the same setup as the ld28 (6 cyl).
My arent we full of useless information.
Toaster
5th May 2010, 03:48
I think they must have come up with the name SURF after leaving the thing parked beyond the low tide mark for a few days then finding the dang thing started first time. A fairly indestructible vehicle. Top Gear did a great show on this.
Toaster
5th May 2010, 03:52
Amazing innit?! The very first line of my post......
Clearly a lack of attention on his part, but that was no surprise.
I prefer to think of it as a motorcyclist forum rather than a motorcycle forum. Rant and Rave is the ideal place for motorcyclists to talk about anything and, in your case, request/give advice about a car choice. Stuff the critics!
Toaster
5th May 2010, 03:57
Nearly 170hp, thats a load of torque, and dangerously close to V8 territory. Even the 1KZ-TE engine will all sorts of cars a fright on hills.
Steve
Now paint me purple and call me a turnip, but isn't power and torque just a wee bit different?
(Yes I am being picky but I can't sleep and need to say, well something.....)
dangerous
5th May 2010, 06:11
I know of no LD27.
TD27 is gear driven pushrod.
ah a usumpsion on my behalf, this is why I ask... so my engine (1992, 2.7TD Navara) is a TD27 ? the truck modle being a D21?
see... I learnt 2 things today.
CookMySock
5th May 2010, 08:53
Now paint me purple and call me a turnip, but isn't power and torque just a wee bit different? Of course. 170hp @ ~~3,500rpm is quite different to 170hp @ 5,000rpm. It was implied rather than stated, as I think people find spoonfeeding them insulting.
I see a few people took it that I was completely thick and implied the two were the same.. which is unfortunate for how it made them look. Oh well, move on. ;)
Cue extensive and abusive discussion about power vs torque, as only kb can.
Steve
I think they must have come up with the name SURF after leaving the thing parked beyond the low tide mark for a few days then finding the dang thing started first time. A fairly indestructible vehicle. Top Gear did a great show on this.
Top gear used the old Hi Lux,with the old 2L,which has rockers and no buckets - a much more reliable engine.
firefighter
5th May 2010, 16:15
Lol. So after all that, comparing between the two vehicles i'm looking at, the Terrano is the better choice due to to the 2.4 Surf having a weaker motor.
Awesome that works out better as it's cheaper and good to go, and the surf is more expensive and needs stuff done (rego and RUC to get it the same as the Terrano).
Cheers.
2wheeldrifter
5th May 2010, 16:24
Another dilemma sorted...
another pat on the back to all! :)
actually 170hp@3.5k rpm and 170hp@5k rpm is EXACTLY the same amount of power! neither of these figures has ANYTHING to do with torque at all!.
They have EVERYTHING to do with torque! HP is not a measurement,it's a calculation - torque x rpm/5252 = HP.
blackdog
5th May 2010, 18:05
They have EVERYTHING to do with torque! HP is not a measurement,it's a calculation - torque x rpm/5252 = HP.
eat my words....
however, i still maintain horsepower is a measurement, invented by james watt who ascertained that 1 horse can lift about 550 foot pounds per second over about an 8 hour shift
although a dyno can only measure torque and horsepower is calculated from that
dangerous
5th May 2010, 18:19
Lol. So after all that, comparing between the two vehicles i'm looking at, the Terrano is the better choice due to to the 2.4 Surf having a weaker motor.
Awesome that works out better as it's cheaper and good to go, and the surf is more expensive and needs stuff done (rego and RUC to get it the same as the Terrano).
Cheers.
na... its simpily down to personal choice, which is really whats been posted.
either wagons could go for ever either wagons could blow to bits tomorow... simply chose the one ya like.
scumdog
5th May 2010, 18:40
Nearly 170hp, thats a load of torque, and dangerously close to V8 territory. Even the 1KZ-TE engine will all sorts of cars a fright on hills.
Steve
???????????
scumdog
5th May 2010, 18:44
Nearly 170hp, thats a load of torque, and dangerously close to V8 territory. Even the 1KZ-TE engine will all sorts of cars a fright on hills.
Steve
170 H.P.?
That's not torque, do you mean 170ft/lb?
If so it is a pretty weak V8 that puts out only 170ft/lb of torque.
peasea
5th May 2010, 18:45
170HP?
Do you mean ft/lb?
Then it's a pretty weak V8 that only has 170ft/lb of torque.
170 of anything actually.
I just snapped a V-Rod with more hp than that!
Jonno.
5th May 2010, 19:59
I have a 94 Terrano (2.7 auto) and it's been in my family since 96.
It's goes alright although it's no "insert fast car" but can hold 120 without too much effort when it gets there. I get about 600km to 60-70 litres.
It's been in my family since 96 and no major issue apart from diesel pump going.
CookMySock
5th May 2010, 21:08
I have a 94 Terrano [...] it's no "insert fast car" but can hold 120 without too much effort when it gets there.1KZ-TE Hilux will hold 120k over the brow of almost any hill, with a long string of "oops I was gunna pass there" people behind it.
It's nutty how quick they are, and the later model ones are even quicker.
Steve
firefighter
19th May 2010, 15:40
Thought i'd better at least say what I bought in the end. I bought the Terrano. The thing runs great for a vehicle it's age, is pretty solid and everything on it works, no issues at all, and it's pretty fuel efficient, handles open road no worries, and i'm sure it'll probably just keep on going, as long as I service it. Is all I was after. It looks like the previous owner looked after it the way I look after vehicles.
Cheers for the relevant info to those who gave it.
dangerous
19th May 2010, 18:46
Thought i'd better at least say what I bought in the end. I bought the Terrano. The thing runs great for a vehicle it's age, is pretty solid and everything on it works, no issues at all, and it's pretty fuel efficient, handles open road no worries, and i'm sure it'll probably just keep on going, as long as I service it. Is all I was after. It looks like the previous owner looked after it the way I look after vehicles.
Cheers for the relevant info to those who gave it. OHH SHIT, did I say the Nissin, crap shoulda been the Toyota LOL... weres the photo's? and value for money I like Valvoline diesel oil, also rate it in petrols over 200K on my 2.5 Triumph and it still had all its hardening on the over head gear and didnt blow/burn smoke.
I change my Navara oil every 4-5k
firefighter
19th May 2010, 18:52
weres the photo's?
Lol. I can put some up if you really want, but, it is just a Terrano!? lol.
samuraipsy
23rd July 2018, 20:39
Obligatory mention that I know this is a bike forum.
I'm looking for a 4x4, and have found two which i'm deciding between.
I do'nt care so much for 4x4 ability too much, I already know Toyota surfs are better off-road. In all reality, it will be used more than 90% on-road, and will only really go up the odd rivers and down the odd beach and to the snow which both will happily do and in all reality could probably be done in a rav-4.
The two are a 1994 2.7 Diesel Terrano, and a 1992 2.4 Diesel Toyota Hilux Surf.
The Terrano has 70odd more kms, and immaculate for it's age.
The Surf obviously has the lower kms, and is above average for it's age.
The surf is a little more expensive, doe'st have a turbo timer, although looking at the owners it probably did'nt need one!(but still something I would get) It needs a new rego and some RUC's to get it the same as the terrano. Oh, and it has a sunroof!
The Terrano has a rego until Dec, 10000kms and of-course a functional turbo timer.
My plusses and minusses for the two.
Surf: - Would need to purchase a rego and user miles and turbo timer, not quite as tidy as the terrano.(close) Initial cost is $400 higher, before the rego, RUC and turbo timer. (so possibly more like $800+ more expensive)
+ IMO Looks a little better than the terrano, has less kms, feels a little gruntier even with a smaller engine......although they are probably about the same, hardly used over the last 5 years (second vehicle/seems genuine enough)
Terrano - Does'nt quite look as good, (although one of those vehicles that kinda "look good" for that model/I was quite surprised how much it did appeal to me) no sunroof, higher kms, did'nt feel quite as quick as the surf but I drove 3 surfs after the terrano so memory is biased I think.
+ Pretty immaculate, looks as if the current owner is as pedantic as me, $400 cheaper (not including the RUCs, rego and Turbo timer the surf still needs) and good to go, plenty of rego until dec, heaps of RUCs to go.
So which is a better vehicle? :blink: To me they're so close i'm literally thinking of tossing a coin, there's the Toyota reliability thing, but in saying that, the Nissan's are just as if not more reliable......
Purely going off price, the Terrano wins, as the Surf is more expensive from the start and needs a few things, but is better looking and i've owned a Surf I was really happy with before, and it did feel a bit more peppy. In saying that, the Terrano was more comfortable and pretty spotless, and I would'nt have to do a thing to until the end of the year..........oh, and it's two years younger.
Which way would you go and why? Have any info on either model you think would be important?
I had a 1995 R3M 2.7 non turbo. The plates had lapsed, so not much experience on the road. The few times I had it on the highway,, it was easy to get and hold 1-150. Porters pass was no problem up and breaks held nice on the way down. I even put petrol in it once and drove up porters. The terrano just went until it died close to the summit. I just went up there, detached and emptied the fuel tank. Re-attached and put fresh diesel in and pumped through the injectors as you do. It ran fine. The alternator is used to pump oil, and this is a fault that happens often. If your alternator goes, get a new one!!!!!
never buy a rebuilt alternator for these vehicles.
Note: The 1995 Nissan terrano R3m is a beast !!!. Around 1 meter of air, running my dogs on a motor cross track.
I know these terranos quite well (changing cross rod in half meter of river etc )
So ask away brother.
Laava
24th July 2018, 13:24
Think I will check this thread in 8 yrs time to see if you have an answer...
Also., what do you mean by "the alternator pumps oil"? For what?
neels
24th July 2018, 14:40
Also., what do you mean by "the alternator pumps oil"? For what?
There is a vacuum pump on the back of the alternator for the brake servo, which has an oil feed to it presumably to lubricate the pump itself, if the splines on the alternator shaft that drive it are stuffed you don't get vacuum any more and it's time for a new one. Don't think it pumps oil to anywhere else though....
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