MotoGP - foot off the peg?

[FROSTY]

Watching the guys on Motogp and Moto2? Jorja piped up awhile ago about rossi and co seeming to drop their feet off the peg. Initially it looked like it was by accident,then maybee the leg was getting cramped a bit. In the last race I noticed rossi seemed to be putting his foot down deliberately and the commentator making mention of rossi "stabilising the bike"
What the hey?

[DVS 69]

Yes ive always wondered why they do it ......... I was at a race meet here an i seen someone doing it an i thought WTF .............:shifty:

[Sentox]

Rossi's been doing this a while now. He was the first, but a lot of the field has taken to copying him.

Any 'scientific' explanations (more weight inside, drag to assist in braking) are pretty tenuous at best. Most likely it's just an eccentric habit, or maybe a hold-over from the dirt training he does off-season. The biggest advantage it gives him (imo) is that everyone else is doing it now hoping it helps somehow - that's how much he dominates and defines the sport.

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2009/07/22/the_truth_behind_the_rossi_leg_wave.html


When [Rossi] and Jeremy Burgess look at the data, and compare the corners where he does his signature leg wave with the same corner when he leaves his foot on the peg, there is no difference at all. The data shows exactly the same braking time and force, the same weight distribution, no difference whatsoever.

[CookMySock]

Is it just "more weight out further" ?


Steve

[blackdog]

i have noticed it makes the 'bike' substantially 'wider', giving opponents less room to set up/impeding passes up the inside into right handers

[blackdog]

Is it just "more weight out further" ?


Steve

fuck try and make some sense man

[onearmedbandit]

I read that Rossi claimed it helped him with weight transition when tipping in. However as a friend of mine said, he probably only does it to fuck with all the other riders heads. Now they're all doing it his plan worked lol.

[MSTRS]

fuck try and make some sense man

You'd have more luck if you asked him to make a sno-cone...

[Shaun]

I believe he and others are using this technique as a way to move weight around the machine for better corner entry

[Sentox]

i have noticed it makes the 'bike' substantially 'wider', giving opponents less room to set up/impeding passes up the inside into right handers

Maybe, but if you look at this video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3002283/valentino_rossi_vs_jorge_lorenzo_catalunya_2009_mo to_gp/) around the 1:25 mark, you can see Lorenzo's knee out versus Rossi's dangling leg. If the purpose is to block, the leg doesn't look much more effective than the knee.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi's been doing this a while now. He was the first, but a lot of the field has taken to copying him.

Any 'scientific' explanations (more weight inside, drag to assist in braking) are pretty tenuous at best. Most likely it's just an eccentric habit, or maybe a hold-over from the dirt training he does off-season. The biggest advantage it gives him (imo) is that everyone else is doing it now hoping it helps somehow - that's how much he dominates and defines the sport.

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2009/07/22/the_truth_behind_the_rossi_leg_wave.html

Lorenzo didn't have much trouble passing Rossi on the picks with his foot still on the peg!

[blackdog]

Maybe, but if you look at this video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3002283/valentino_rossi_vs_jorge_lorenzo_catalunya_2009_mo to_gp/) around the 1:25 mark, you can see Lorenzo's knee out versus Rossi's dangling leg. If the purpose is to block, the leg doesn't look much more effective than the knee.

ive watched your clip 3 times now and must disagree. foot down is def wider. i maintain that at least some of the reason is to block or make passing more difficult

[blackdog]

Rossi's been doing this a while now. He was the first, but a lot of the field has taken to copying him.

Any 'scientific' explanations (more weight inside, drag to assist in braking) are pretty tenuous at best. Most likely it's just an eccentric habit, or maybe a hold-over from the dirt training he does off-season. The biggest advantage it gives him (imo) is that everyone else is doing it now hoping it helps somehow - that's how much he dominates and defines the sport.

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2009/07/22/the_truth_behind_the_rossi_leg_wave.html

have just read this article, and from the comments it seems im not the only one who's in the blocking camp

[Crasherfromwayback]

ive watched your clip 3 times now and must disagree. foot down is def wider. i maintain that at least some of the reason is to block or make passing more difficult

I don't think I'd hesitate in ramming a leg that was stuck out like that!

[blackdog]

I don't think I'd hesitate in ramming a leg that was stuck out like that!

fair call, but its a psych thing, diverting your attention from 'the zone'....

[Quasievil]

they do it to help stabilize the bike when braking extremely hard i.e it helps reduce the hard entry "fishtailing in" of the bike

I cant wait to see people doing it in NZ, and they will Im sure, then all the sportsbike racers (WAAAHH WAAAAH motards use different lines they stick their feet out brigade of morons )can bitch and moan about feet out techniques which essentially banned Motards from F3 in the VMCC series this year, but of course they wont

[onearmedbandit]

These guys rub fairings/wheels/handlebars at 200km/h, I don't think a leg is going to take them out of the zone. These guys are not like you or me.

[blackdog]

These guys rub fairings/wheels/handlebars at 200km/h, I don't think a leg is going to take them out of the zone. These guys are not like you or me.

yeah good point. anything that might detract for a microsecond tho could give the slightest advantage when racing is that close

[Ferkletastic]

I kinda hope the answer is "to see if I can make all these other guys do it just cos I am".

[onearmedbandit]

yeah good point. anything that might detract for a microsecond tho could give the slightest advantage when racing is that close

True, and that is all it would take.

[Crasherfromwayback]

fair call, but its a psych thing, diverting your attention from 'the zone'....

Maybe...but when you're heading for that zone at a great rate of knots...ain't nothing gonna stop you heading there regardless!

[Ronin]

Ya put ya left foot in, ya take ya left foot out, ya put it back in and shake it all about...

[Maido]

Jimmy S did it a few times into the downhill hair pin at Hampton downs at Nats on the superbike.
I think it is just a thing, nothing more nothing less.

[Quasievil]

My Comment came from the commentator on the spanish GP, Im picking its accurate.
I dont think they do shit for the sake of doing shit............not at GP level

[imdying]

Doing stuff to mess with the heads of your opponents isn't just doing it for the sake of doing it.

[Quasievil]

Doing stuff to mess with the heads of your opponents isn't just doing it for the sake of doing it.

You missed my point, refer to my earlier post, they do it to settle the bike on corner entry, this is what the commentator said.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just another of Rossi's mind games for sure me thinks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You missed my point, refer to my earlier post, they do it to settle the bike on corner entry, this is what the commentator said.

That might be what the commentators have been told...don't mean it's correct! Like I said...Lorenzo had no problem passing Rossi on the picks with his feet both on the pegs and the bike nicely in line.

[george formby]

I have always thought it looks like an " oh fuck, the fronts going" exit strategy.

[Cleve]

Jimmy S did it a few times into the downhill hair pin at Hampton downs at Nats on the superbike.
I think it is just a thing, nothing more nothing less.

Jeez Frosty - where you been all these years. It has been happening a looong time. And yes I also noticed it now happening in NZ with J Smith on the SBK at HD Nat's.

[Sentox]

I dont think they do shit for the sake of doing shit............not at GP level


Valentino Rossi is a very superstitious person and his pre-ride rituals are well known. On a race day, he will always watch the beginning of the 125cc race (though this is actually to see how long the starting lights remain lit before going out at the start of the race). Prior to riding (whether racing, qualifying, or practice), he will start his personal ritual by stopping at about 2 metres from his bike, bend over and reach his boots (thus the 2004 TV spoiler "Are you ready boots?"). Then, when arriving at his bike, he will crouch down and hold the right-side foot-peg, with his head bowed. In an interview, Rossi said "It’s just a moment to focus and ‘talk’ to my bike, like moving from one place to the next." He adjusts the fit of his leathers by standing straight up on the foot-pegs, whilst riding the pit-lane before the start of race or practice. He also revealed in an interview with MotoGP.com that he always puts one boot on before the other, one glove on before the other, and he always gets on the bike the same way. He also gets off the bike in the same way, swinging his right leg over the front of the bike.

And that's just before the race starts :laugh:

[Matt Bleck]

I saw a interview with Rossi ages ago, he said it's the G forces from braking pulling there leg off the pegs as they move there foot bake after changing gear or using the back brake.

Now tho I think that they have found it helps turn the bike in.....

[onearmedbandit]

He also revealed in an interview with MotoGP.com that he always puts one boot on before the other, one glove on before the other

Who puts both there boots on at the same time, and gloves for that matter too?






(ok I'm assuming he means like right boot on first everytime)

[Maha]

If ya going to take ya feet off the pegs do it the Randy way!!!

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[Stirts]

Here we all are getting into a discussion in regards to the "hows and whys" and all he is really doing is taking the pressure off his butt cheek so he can fart!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lean it waaaaay over!

[Sentox]

Lean it waaaaay over!

When someone dangles their inside leg while doing that, then I'll be impressed :p


Who puts both there boots on at the same time, and gloves for that matter too?

There's probably someone out there. Like all those people on YouTube who are experts at spinning pens between their fingers.

[Dutchee]

Rossi also puts his number on his bikes, as he has to have them just so (regarding the superstition bit).
I put one boot on, then another, but stuffed if I know which one goes on first, I don't make a conscious effort to choose my right or left foot first (depends which boot I find first I guess).
As to the leg thing, he does it because he does it. He has been asked umpteen times as to why, and has no answer. It is also not something that he started, it was someone like Sheene, or one of the Americans, but it was Rossi that took it to the next level.
I think that last bit of info comes from "Faster" or "Kentucky Kid" DVD.
It's now just a mind fuck, for other riders, commentators and spectators hahaha

[blackdog]

or like this......and he's only 11 years old in this shot! (peter lenz)

if you have a look on youtube theres one at willow where dylan code (superbike school) is filming him and having trouble keeping up :lol:

[imdying]

Who puts both there boots on at the same time, and gloves for that matter too?Not you I bet :laugh:

[Deano]

they do it to help stabilize the bike when braking extremely hard i.e it helps reduce the hard entry "fishtailing in" of the bike

I cant wait to see people doing it in NZ, and they will Im sure, then all the sportsbike racers (WAAAHH WAAAAH motards use different lines they stick their feet out brigade of morons )can bitch and moan about feet out techniques which essentially banned Motards from F3 in the VMCC series this year, but of course they wont

Just let it go Bret :Pokey:

[onearmedbandit]

Not you I bet :laugh:

Not boots, no. But I put on all my hand protection at the same time.

[MSTRS]

When someone dangles their inside leg while doing that, then I'll be impressed :p


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/99820-You-peoples-think-you-can-lean-well...?p=1129224043#post1129224043

Impressed now?

[Ivan]

i might start doing it to look like rossi

[Quasievil]

Never ever ever

[Sentox]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/99820-You-peoples-think-you-can-lean-well...?p=1129224043#post1129224043

Impressed now?




......yes.

[KS34]

I cant wait to see people doing it in NZ, and they will Im sure, then all the sportsbike racers (WAAAHH WAAAAH motards use different lines they stick their feet out brigade of morons )can bitch and moan about feet out techniques which essentially banned Motards from F3 in the VMCC series this year, but of course they wont

Cant remember who it was must have been a 600 rider doing it at Hampton Downs during the TT, looked abit odd. I agree with letting out a fart!

[nothingflash]

Could be the KB wave...

[onearmedbandit]

Could be the KB wave...

Oh fuck, you just made me aware of something. Sometimes when acknowledging other road users I'll wave my leg out so I don't have to take my hand off the throttle.

[firefighter]

Jesus. Like Rossi needs to psych anyone out........

He does it for whatever reason he says he does it for. Whatever reason he gave is right. He's the fucken man at this sport, and knows what is what. Period. :yes:

Hope I did'nt destroy any debate from any experts on here......:shifty: :shutup:

[CHOPPA]

Cant remember who it was must have been a 600 rider doing it at Hampton Downs during the TT, looked abit odd. I agree with letting out a fart!

I saw James Smith doing it... I think it would work well, just sliding off the seat in the direction of the next corner works so I bet it works great. I wouldnt be able to get my foot back on quick enough.

You can tell its not for show cause the do it moreso when they brake a bit late

[Crasherfromwayback]

He does it for whatever reason he says he does it for. Whatever reason he gave is right. He's the fucken man at this sport, and knows what is what. Period. :yes:

Hope I did'nt destroy any debate from any experts on here......:shifty: :shutup:

Not at all. You may've started a debate though. Just who would like Rossi to bum him the most?? You're winning so far!

[Edbear]

Most people probably do that when they think they're about to fall off...

[firefighter]

Not at all. You may've started a debate though. Just who would like Rossi to bum him the most?? You're winning so far!

Actually i'm a Stoner fan, and bored of watching Rossi win.....he's just is a fucken good rider, and I believe the best. So Where's the "shaaaame cunt" smiley gone?

[oldguy]

He does it to warn other riders that there is road kill on the track, a dead opossum/rabbit so just be aware.

[jellywrestler]

Yes ive always wondered why they do it ......... I was at a race meet here an i seen someone doing it an i thought WTF .............:shifty:
james smith has been trying that style at hampton downs, seemed to do him no harm either i know he did in the superbikes can't recall whether or not he was doing it in the 600s too, maybe i was at a different part of the track?

[eelracing]

Like I said...Lorenzo had no problem passing Rossi on the picks with his feet both on the pegs and the bike nicely in line.


Excellent point and puts the foot out technique in perspective,ie...a load of old toss.

Unless Rossi/Burgess couldnt develop a cold between them...1 up to Jorge & team me thinks.

[Movistar]

There must be some scientific explanation.

Let's face it, more and more MotoGP riders are into it. Funny though that it is not as popular in WSB.

Although Leon Haslam does flap his legs - I wonder if that improves his cornering?

He has been doing this a lot less lately, that's because he's on such a fast machine now he doesn't have time worry about trying to take off by flapping his legs...

I did wonder if he had tourettes and this was some form of tic.

[Sentox]

Funny though that it is not as popular in WSB.

WSB riders don't race against Rossi.

As Rossi himself has admitted, the data shows that the effect is absolutely nada. It doesn't slow him down one bit, nor does it speed him up at all. Rossi does it because he likes to, and he's said as much. Same as his helmet designs, or his pre-race superstitions. If it makes him feel more comfortable without costing speed, then that's all that matters.

[cypresshill]

Never ever ever You race in winter ??? On an R1 ?


Jesus. Like Rossi needs to psych anyone out........

He does it for whatever reason he says he does it for. Whatever reason he gave is right. He's the fucken man at this sport, and knows what is what. Period. :yes:

Hope I did'nt destroy any debate from any experts on here......:shifty: :shutup:


Not at all. You may've started a debate though. Just who would like Rossi to bum him the most?? You're winning so far!


WSB riders don't race against Rossi.

As Rossi himself has admitted, the data shows that the effect is absolutely nada. It doesn't slow him down one bit, nor does it speed him up at all. Rossi does it because he likes to, and he's said as much. Same as his helmet designs, or his pre-race superstitions. If it makes him feel more comfortable without costing speed, then that's all that matters.We have a winner !!!!

[Quasievil]

You race in winter ??? On an R1 ?



Raced last Winter on a Motard, this year cant be arsed

[FROSTY]

I kinda wondered if truth of the matter is the peg position causes lack of circulation so a bit of a shake of the leg to get the blood flowing again

[Sentox]

I kinda wondered if truth of the matter is the peg position causes lack of circulation so a bit of a shake of the leg to get the blood flowing again

Maybe, but it's hard to imagine why Rossi wouldn't just say so. Unless he wanted to see how many people would copy him :laugh:

[onearmedbandit]

I kinda wondered if truth of the matter is the peg position causes lack of circulation so a bit of a shake of the leg to get the blood flowing again

Actually, although Rossi has gone to great efforts to hide it, he suffers from a urinary tract affliction. This has resulted in a lack of control of his bladder. Now for most people this wouldn't be more than a minor nuisance, but when you've got millions across the globe watching your every move, you have to become, ah, inventive. Hence the leg shake. If you don't believe me, who else remembers this moment in time when the entire world first became aware of this issue?

[FROSTY]

Maybe, but it's hard to imagine why Rossi wouldn't just say so. Unless he wanted to see how many people would copy him :laugh:
Yea I kinda wondered that -Ie not so much that he's out to head F$$$ the other guys but more just for shits n giggles. What little Ive read about rossi he would think that was really funny.

[FROSTY]

Actually, although Rossi has gone to great efforts to hide it, he suffers from a urinary tract affliction. This has resulted in a lack of control of his bladder. Now for most people this wouldn't be more than a minor nuisance, but when you've got millions across the globe watching your every move, you have to become, ah, inventive. Hence the leg shake. If you don't believe me, who else remembers this moment in time when the entire world first became aware of this issue?
OHHH SHIT --Oyyy barsteward you made me snort coffee up my nose I was laughing so hard

[Sentox]

OHHH SHIT --Oyyy barsteward you made me snort coffee up my nose I was laughing so hard

Consider yourself lucky - at least the coffee went up your nose. I was trying to eat breakfast, and now there's porridge in my keyboard.

[2wheeldrifter]

fair call, but its a psych thing, diverting your attention from 'the zone'....

Have to go with the Blackstig too, yes maybe a littke drag and weight... BUT we are talking neo seconds of broken concentration... which is all it can take to win a race in that same neo second.

You may what to still ram his leg at what cost to you... ? how much does it take to upset your line and or balance??... just putting that out there too :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

You bump a leg outta the way with no issue at all. I know this.

[Shaun]

You bump a leg outta the way with no issue at all. I know this.



I had my lower leg BROKEN, when some one in Japan tried to pass me using my leg as a Burm, and they did not fall off

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeeeouch! Amazing what sort of impact you can have and still keep it on two wheels though eh! I had to bounce a guy on an RGV 250 off at Manfeild years ago when he came across in front of me.

[2wheeldrifter]

You may what to still ram his leg at what cost to you... ? how much does it take to upset your line and or balance??... just putting that out there too :)

Ok... cross that off the list then... sure though it's not a hit and miss lucky chance escape? I just won't let it die lol

[Shaun]

Yeeeouch! Amazing what sort of impact you can have and still keep it on two wheels though eh! I had to bounce a guy on an RGV 250 off at Manfeild years ago when he came across in front of me.


I cut the cast of my leg a week later, and raced at Sugo, now that did hurt!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I didn't think Gingas felt pain?

[Shaun]

I didn't think Gingas felt pain?


No pain mate, I meant the WASTE of a cutting disc on the grinder to get it off!

Even managed to just beat A Stroud in that race

[Skunk]

Rossi's been doing this a while now. He was the first, but a lot of the field has taken to copying him.Watch the 92 GP and you'll see at least two riders doing it. Rossi is far from the first...

[Sentox]

Watch the 92 GP and you'll see at least two riders doing it. Rossi is far from the first...

Well, I was thinking of the current MotoGP field. Rossi was doing minimoto or something of the sort back in '92, wasn't he? Heck, I was still mastering basic grammar :laugh: Interesting to know though.

[JayRacer37]

they do it to help stabilize the bike when braking extremely hard i.e it helps reduce the hard entry "fishtailing in" of the bike

I cant wait to see people doing it in NZ, and they will Im sure, then all the sportsbike racers (WAAAHH WAAAAH motards use different lines they stick their feet out brigade of morons )can bitch and moan about feet out techniques which essentially banned Motards from F3 in the VMCC series this year, but of course they wont


Maybe, but if you look at this video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3002283/valentino_rossi_vs_jorge_lorenzo_catalunya_2009_mo to_gp/) around the 1:25 mark, you can see Lorenzo's knee out versus Rossi's dangling leg. If the purpose is to block, the leg doesn't look much more effective than the knee.


Have a look at that vid around the 3.15 min mark. When Rossi hangs his leg out and it brushes the ground, it looks a whole lot less stable than Lorenzo's bike. Its funny, the only guy in the upper echelon (Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa, Lorenzo) who hasn't tried coping him is Lorenzo - he is also the only guy who has really challenged him yet.

I think the blocking argument is possibly likely - I also agree that you would ride through a leg pretty easy. He also hangs either leg off, if the braking zone is right. I notice he only does it when its a long, straight braking zone - he hangs it further when there is bumps (turn one at Jerez). The guys emulating him seem to do it more often - Stoner was at Jerez and looked unstable when he did it through the stadium section.

Mostly, I reckon he does it cos it feels good to him - and people copy him 'cos if he does it, it must be good - as he is 'god'. Using that argument, I think Lorezo is the only guy at the top now who has a chance to beat him. The rest are already beaten as they are trying to copy, not to exceed.

Jay

[Mental Trousers]

It's all about the outside leg.

The inside leg doesn't actually do as much as you'd think. It does get weight to the inside of the bike which is good, but the inside foot peg is nowhere near as effective as the outside knee for making a bike turn. So taking the foot right off the peg puts

the weight of the inside leg further out from the bike
the weight being put through the bike is going through the outside leg meaning more grip
the outside leg is glued to the side of the bike so the rider has far more control


Taking the foot off the inside peg forces the outside leg to do what it should.

[Shaun]

It's all about the outside leg.

The inside leg doesn't actually do as much as you'd think. It does get weight to the inside of the bike which is good, but the inside foot peg is nowhere near as effective as the outside knee for making a bike turn. So taking the foot right off the peg puts

the weight of the inside leg further out from the bike
the weight being put through the bike is going through the outside leg meaning more grip
the outside leg is glued to the side of the bike so the rider has far more control


Taking the foot off the inside peg forces the outside leg to do what it should.



Interesting opinion mate

Go take a ride, and weight the left peg to turn left, then weight the right peg to turn right
so we agree what both legs are doing on the bike in Normall riding form

Most very fast riders, actually stear the bike with there legs, NOT THE BARS

So taking your left/inside leg of to make a left hand corner, FORCES the weight to the other outside leg to make it do what is supposed to do ( Your Words not mine) Now makes you go Right insted of left? YES, if you made the turn, you will have better side grip by having more pressure put on the bikes suspension this way.

Because I like you, I will give you some free riding lessons to keep the road statistics lower Ha ha Sorry dude

[Mental Trousers]

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over.

Length of the lever: how far off the ground is the footpeg? How far off the ground is the place your knee is pressing against the tank? Which one do you reckon is going to win out? The one about half a meter off the ground or the one about 1.2m off the ground? Remember, they've both got your entire body weight acting on them.

I went out and purposely messed around on a bike to try and figure out why Rossi etc were doing that and that's what I found.

[quickbuck]

The rest are already beaten as they are trying to copy, not to exceed.

Jay
You got it Jay.

[Shaun]

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over.

Length of the lever: how far off the ground is the footpeg? How far off the ground is the place your knee is pressing against the tank? Which one do you reckon is going to win out? The one about half a meter off the ground or the one about 1.2m off the ground? Remember, they've both got your entire body weight acting on them.

I went out and purposely messed around on a bike to try and figure out why Rossi etc were doing that and that's what I found.


To QUOTE YA

Sorry to disagree with you there mate, but taking your foot off the inside peg DOES put your weight through the outside leg, but your entire body weight is off to 1 side making your knee pull the bike over

NO Drama man

If taking a left turn, with inside off peg, YES! this will load the right more
The rider has moved his body weight to the inside of the bike to make the turn , so this will place a higher load of weight to the inside YES!

RE the knee now

If the riders weight being on the inside with the leg of the peg is all about as you say? you do now have more power with your knee to change direction, but less control, as both feet are not working the pegs, staering the bike etc.

If it is a game from MR ROSSI, it is a very very cleaver one, due to weight transfer and Gyroscopics, his dangling of the leg, allows him to go in harder, as he can move weight backwards and forwards to weight or un weight the front or rear end

It is like, lowering or raising a rear sub frame, to ade weight transfer to the rider

Take a look at A Stroud bike some time closely, he is the only one in NZ that is even close to this set up\

PS, messing about on the road, is not quite the same as real race practise.

[Mental Trousers]

If the riders weight being on the inside with the leg of the peg is all about as you say? you do now have more power with your knee to change direction, but less control, as both feet are not working the pegs, staering the bike etc.


Yup, exactly. Can't say I'm real keen on actually taking a foot off when actually riding rather than messing around, precisely for the reason it feels like I've got less control (I've had the feet on pegs = control thing drummed into me)


If it is a game from MR ROSSI, it is a very very cleaver one, due to weight transfer and Gyroscopics, his dangling of the leg, allows him to go in harder, as he can move weight backwards and forwards to weight or un weight the front or rear end

It is like, lowering or raising a rear sub frame, to ade weight transfer to the rider

Take a look at A Stroud bike some time closely, he is the only one in NZ that is even close to this set up\


Hadn't thought of it quite like that. Nice.


PS, messing about on the road, is not quite the same as real race practise.

Works very well on the track as well. Although I've only been using this theory for about 4 track days. However, it only took a couple of minutes experimenting to show it's way better than what I was doing.

EDIT What I wrote might sound confusing. I'm not taking my inside foot off the footpeg like Rossi etc do. Instead I'm unweighting it to get the same effect without lifting my foot off.

[scracha]

Isn't it just so shortarse riders can look taller?

[Shaun]

Isn't it just so shortarse riders can look taller?




I will have to try it some time and let you know ha ha ha


Poison comes in small parcells remember


O- so do Diamands