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Motoracer
22nd May 2005, 15:45
Qualifying for F2: I was out in half damp and half dry conditions with the brakepads that needed running in. Once I ran the brake pads in, the fuel ran out. Crap. So I qualified right at the back of the field with a 1.30.

Qualifying for F1: I remembered to put the fuel in and went out with the run in brake pads, all set to go. Conditions were still slightly damp so I came home with a 1:20s lap time which set me to the middle of the grid. A couple of guys up front weren't too far ahead so I thought once I found my groove and with trying a bit harder, i might do a bit better during the race. Sweet.

Race 1 for F2: As always I took off the line after the green flag dropped and got ahead of people around me (I should have probably been a drag racer). I got past a few more people in turn one then went around to hold on to the back of Deane Labrum's tail who can put down a couple of seconds quicker lap time than me. I thought sweet, I just need to follow this man for a bit and I might get my lap times down. I almost did 2 laps while holding the distance behind Labrum but then coming out of the final sweeper I selected a gear too high and lost one position to Barry New on the R6. After that I got ahead of him by out braking him (note: I was out braking someone!! Usually I am hauling on the brakes to slow down like a train with the worn brake pads but this time I was braking good!) Then because of a few mistakes of mine he was still up front. I knew I could get him at least before the chequred flag so I was a bit silly and used to much throttle and not enough brains and almost had a big high side comming out of the hair pin. That sent the bike into a wobble which I am now fully used and I casually let it come back into control but I had to run off wide onto grass for that. I desperatly tried to get back onto the track, then I spun up the rear wheel and almost lost it again on the grass. Just as I got on the track again, I saw Stephen Lys and Derek Hill shoot past me. CRAP! Oh well, there isn't much I could do now, so I went around the track as quick as possible and came home with 12th out of 22 when I could have atleast come in the top 10.

Race 1 for Superbikes:

I felt like I was riding like an idot loon and I knew I should calm down cause the track was looking a bit iffy with the damp patches. If I wasn't going to be smooth I knew I was going to arse off as I already had one near high side in race one along with the front letting go once around the left hander after the esses. I can't really remember much but I do remember trying to ride well before I got passed on turn one on the 3rd or 4th lap after we got a bit of a light drissel. That really frustrated me and I got back to riding a bit too hard, then as the left hander came I usually go down from 4th to 3rd to power out of there but accidentally the gear went to 2nd instead of 3rd. The revs rose up high and the bike started sliding uncontrolably. I thought I had a slight window of oppertunity to get it back during a very short wobble but this time my luck had run out. I remember sliding on my front for a bit then I thought I could get up but then I realised that I was still sliding. So I waited till I slid all the way off the track on my arse, then I got up after comming to a hault. I got back up straight away and walked over to my sad looking bike. Shit... I killed the ignition and got up to the tire walls to safety just in case someone else might come of at the same area. The rain increased and I saw at least 2 other riders having a close call on the same left hander but luckily they managed to stay on the bike.

After the bike was brought back into the pits, here's the damage report so far:

- Broken but repairable fairings - front, both sides, tail.
- Shattered fairing blade.
- Bent exaust pipe but should be fixable with out any worries.
- Right hand side clip on had a clean break.
- Right hand side rear set bent.
- Right hand side brake lever snaped.
- Left hand side crash knob mount bent which then ripped a part of the frame (Fixable still by some specialists).

All the damage should probably cost me under 1 K to fix if I do a cheap job.

Then I got unlucky or in reality (where there is no such thing as luck), I made another stupid mistake once again by leaving the tire warmers on, in the rush to get out on the track and toasted the tire warmers (more expenses).

So I would say, i had another dissapointing round for the VMCC championship. I think with all these DNFs and me not being sorted for round 1, my hopes of doing well in the championship is not looking too well.

I know I can be a lot better than this in F2 and F1 but I am thinking of other options right now. Mainly because of the money factor.

Here are some that I came up with and will most probably go ahead with (one of them).

Option 1 - Fix the bike all up then sell it. Get a 125GP bike and become a proper racer by learning the basics and build a solid base for me to build up on as I have more finances in the future. I will really miss the power of a 600 as I really do enjoy ringing the nuts off it and I reckon bike handeling wise I could probably go to a 1000 right now but I would be even a slower racer most probably because I haven't learnt some of the race craft or track skills which I need to learn first.

Option 2 - Fix the bike all up then sell it. Get a F3 bike. This would be very fun as all the KB racers are in this class and I can see myself having good compition with them and it'll probably be cheaper than racing my 600.

Option 3 - Fix the bike all up and continue to race in F2/F1 and hope to improve the expensive way. However if I do this and have one more crash again in the near future or some other costly disaster, I would have to pack my bags up for a very long time.

At this moment I am really keen on option 1 and getting into 125GPs as the pros have sujested that that's probably the way to go. And if I become a good 125 racer, I will probably move on to become a good 600 or 1000cc racer when I go for the upgrade again. I will have a proper 125 set up with spare rims with wets and drys etc etc if I give it a go so I hope to do fairly OK in that class.

We will see as time passes by and what happens next.

A big huge thanks to the man Hooks for staying up late yet again for us to come into his lovely home and stay the night. Then he cooked us some great breakfast before sending us to the track. A big huge thanks to you man!!! :)

Cheers TS/TS's GF for comming along for the company and sharing travel costs.

Also thanks to Jimbo for the pics and the rest of you guys for the support!

A pic of my bike before the crash (wasn't she pretty :():

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10515

Sensei
22nd May 2005, 15:57
Tough ride MR . Hope what ever you decide to do keeps you on the Track . :niceone:

GSVR
22nd May 2005, 16:25
I was surpised alot more riders didn't come to grief with the conditions you guys were up against.

Both you and TS are very competitive and ride hard out all the time.

Who said that "In order to win you first have to finish"

Bad weekend for you MR

FROSTY
22nd May 2005, 16:48
bad luck that old son.
Im sorry to hear about ya off. Ya need to get yaself a bit of sponcership ols don.
Hey nicko did the same at taupo BTW -poor sod.

Joni
22nd May 2005, 17:39
Sudeep, I was pretty sad to hear about the accident from the bikes perepctive... but your "Im completely OK" was good to hear. :niceone:

I am also leaning towards option 1... however I know you will think about it thoroughly and make the decision that will take you towards your final dream.

Good luck my friend.

:spudwave:

Ivan
22nd May 2005, 18:47
Not all us KB racers race in F3 I race in 125GP on Jay Lawrences old bike. The class rules the bikes are very tricky in both riding and maintaining if you do 1 thing wrong it wont worry about spitting you off and sending you down the track on your ass so if you want something forgiving go 150 SS if you want something racy go 125GP

Two Smoker
22nd May 2005, 19:31
I watched your first race (well i watched pretty much all your races lol) and you were absolutely flying!!! You were right up in the front pack, and starting to reel people in... Gutted about your crash :(

I think the way to go will be F3... Get a good reliable F3 bike, pipe, braided lines, sticky tyres, and race it with me :niceone:

Then at the end of the year, make the move back up to F2 with me :niceone:

I htink that will be the best way... I think 125GP still has alot of costs (rebuilds etc...) and there is less of a field in 125GP ...

Give me a yell if you need a hand getting your bike apart for repair :niceone:

ajturbo
22nd May 2005, 20:14
shit matey..

Baby B and i are sorry to hear about the "off"

what option? anyone that keeps you racing!!!:Punk: the longest!

Wellyman
22nd May 2005, 20:24
bad luck MR. whatever choice you make mate we will all be supporting you all the way.

Jeremy
22nd May 2005, 20:33
Is there any prize money in these races? Because if there is it'd be well worth dropping down classes and making the money to move back up rather than risk it all at once.

Two Smoker
22nd May 2005, 20:34
Is there any prize money in these races? Because if there is it'd be well worth dropping down classes and making the money to move back up rather than risk it all at once.

Nah mate, its all at cost for us to race...

she_said
22nd May 2005, 20:38
bad luck MR. im keen to do the 125gp thing too.. :Punk:

Quasievil
22nd May 2005, 20:49
Hey Bad luck on the race day mate, sorry to hear about the expence of it to.

Dont let the day knock you to much, of course I can understand the comments youve made mate, but you know that its what you love to do and this shit comes with it.
As for the future well I reckon stick with F2, your bike is a F2 bike and your involved in the F2 scene and your doing ok in the class, Im sure some of your advesarys would like to see you go into another class but fuck em mate stay where you are and keep giving it heaps.
I doubt F3 will be that much cheaper anyway ? 125GP I reckon the constant engine re builds will piss you off.
The season is over so get into some off season maintenance and enjoy some extra cash and come out fighting in the new season:niceone: .

catch up with ya soon

Ivan
22nd May 2005, 20:54
As long as you run on HRC parts the motor will last you a season + we need more numbers in 125 to keep it running so if you know of anyone with a old 125 tell im to bring it along and race it. Would you want to see the class for up and coming riders be thrown away I certainly know I dont

Two Smoker
22nd May 2005, 20:58
The season is over so get into some off season maintenance and enjoy some extra cash and come out fighting in the new season:niceone: .

catch up with ya soon
What the hell are you talking about??? The season has only just started... Vic Club Winter Series??? Pretty much the biggest club racing in the country... so big most of the country's top riders race in it :niceone:

Kickaha
22nd May 2005, 21:02
I doubt F3 will be that much cheaper anyway ? 125GP I reckon the constant engine re builds will piss you off.


Constant engine rebulds my arse,I know heaps of guys running them and the only time they need rebuilds is at the designated times for piston/crank replacement,and you can have one apart and back together with a piston replacement in 30min

Mella Yella seems to need more rebuilds than any 125GP bike I've ever seen :msn-wink:

k14
22nd May 2005, 21:10
Thankyou sir, you don't know much but atleast the things you do know are right :killingme . Why on earth does everyone seem to think that 125's need "constant rebuilds"?? They don't, maybe once every 5 or 6 meetings minimum. You could easily do the whole vic series on one piston/crank.

Guttered to hear about the meeting yesterday. Of course I am biased and reckon its a great idea for you to go to a 125, they are not as expensive to run as everyone thinks and are very very crashable (not implying anything), only thing that break are pegs and levers.

This 125 here: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-27138917.htm would be perfect and would be quite capable of winning the nationals with a competent rider. It has heaps of spares and would last for a year (apart from tyres) on them alone.

Yeah Ivan is right, we need more 125's out there on the grid, its a great class and of course everyone knows where the best all start. Hope you make the right decision, throw me a PM if you need to know anything.

ajturbo
22nd May 2005, 21:12
Give me a yell if you need a hand getting your bike apart for repair :niceone:

why??? you got a bigger hammer than MR???

Two Smoker
22nd May 2005, 21:16
This 125 here: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-27138917.htm would be perfect and would be quite capable of winning the nationals with a competent rider. It has heaps of spares and would last for a year (apart from tyres) on them alone.



Shit thats a bargin!!! I wish i had a spare 6 grand :( Could be a goer aye MR???

ajturbo
22nd May 2005, 21:17
ok... so what sort of cost are involed with the GP125...
no "i think this what it would cost!!"
but is there anyone out there who know the real costs of this class

Two Smoker
22nd May 2005, 21:18
why??? you got a bigger hammer than MR???

LOL, "Im'a goin ta go get me them sledge hammeerrr ova thur"

Nah its a bit hard taking out the engine by yourself...

k14
22nd May 2005, 21:30
ok... so what sort of cost are involed with the GP125...
no "i think this what it would cost!!"
but is there anyone out there who know the real costs of this class

Well, the costs aren't that bad. For club racing (vic series) you could pay your $6000 for that bike on trademe and the only thing you would have to spend a cent on would be changing the gearbox oil every 2nd meeting. Apart from that you could quite easily run it at every meeting no problems.

For the nationals, you would be looking at a set of tyres ($450 or so) and a new piston every round ($250 and 60 mins max to change). Remembering that this bike would be on a pretty level playing field and would definately have a chance of taking home the title (guaranteed top 3 assuming good rider and no DNF's). Oh yeah and (nearly forgot) you've got the cost of a new crank (of which the one on trademe is rebuildable) which costs about $250 again, and needs doing every 1500kms or so. This is a bit of a more tricky process but doesn't need doing very often.

So a full season of the nationals (including buying the bike) for under $10000, with a chance of winning the class. Also last year I know that the top 3 or so guys went over to the gp at phillip island and rode in the support class. They did have to fork out the money, but there isn't another class in NZ at the moment where you could do that. So there is definately something to aim for.

If I had a spare $6000 I would buy that bike in an instant, it would last me untill I wanted to go up a class and could be competitively raced in the nationals for a few years or more.

Any other questions class??

Zed
22nd May 2005, 21:34
We will see as time passes by and what happens next.Wow what an exciting day you had there MR, too bad it ended the way it did. O well, such is racing!

You're only young man, even if you have a break to 'gather your resources' you still have plenty of time to continue your racing career! :Punk:

Quasievil
22nd May 2005, 22:11
Constant engine rebulds my arse,I know heaps of guys running them and the only time they need rebuilds is at the designated times for piston/crank replacement,and you can have one apart and back together with a piston replacement in 30min

Mella Yella seems to need more rebuilds than any 125GP bike I've ever seen :msn-wink:

mella yellow is an exception to the rule and I certainly understand that two stokes need rebuilds much more often that 4 strokes, and the point is less maintenance and repair costs for MR so why would he want to buy a runner that needs rebuilds so often when a 4 stroke does not ?
my point stands

Kwaka-Kid
22nd May 2005, 22:12
Hey MR, really sorry to hear dude! not such good luck.

I am biased as i personally race in F3... However from what i see its a bloody cheap class. ZXR/VFR seems to be the best choice if u want it cheap... just go buy a cheapy with sub 50,000k's and youll be right i reckon.

costs = oil/filter change every 3 races regardless, Tyres... hmm, its up to you really, make it as expensive as you like really, but you can get away with $400 BT090's every 5 race meets.
And im sure with your ability, in all honesty all youll need is a pipe whacked on the beast and a dyno/jet if your fussy.

I think if your trying to do it on the cheap its also good to learn about engines etc and read a bit on mechanics, and what is good and is not good for an engine. Now i dont wanna jynx my beast, however i stick by a few simple rules
1) only ever let tacho touch redline in all need (once every few meets maybe)
2) NEVER hit rev limiter
3) NEVER smash down the gearbox too fast, i do my braking a fair bit before i start downshifting, to ensure the beast isnt ripped thru the redline on downshifts-as your least likely to see it then
4) always let it warm up for some time before riding off, then at least for the first lap of warmup/practise flex the engine up gentally till shes at full operating temperature.

I dunno, im far from perfect, and what i have said there isnt quoted out of any one book, its just what my old man told me, and so far the old girls held together pretty well. Anybody got any other advice on that?-or think that some of those are not to be worried about?

Well anyways, sorry for hijacking, take care dude and may some good luck come your way!

Quasievil
22nd May 2005, 22:13
What the hell are you talking about??? The season has only just started... Vic Club Winter Series??? Pretty much the biggest club racing in the country... so big most of the country's top riders race in it :niceone:

OK, isnt that a new one, first time this year ?

Racey Rider
22nd May 2005, 22:30
OK, isnt that a new one, first time this year ?

:stupid: newbe's :rolleyes: (PT)

Try 25 years! (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-page.php?pageName=AboutVicClub)

babyB
22nd May 2005, 22:40
hay MR well racing has it ups and downs has been good seeing you out there doing it :niceone: . (unfortunatly i missed this round)
whatever you decide youll have supporters :niceone:

LB
23rd May 2005, 04:59
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I was very glad to see you get up and walk away from your crash MR.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.
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Motoracer
23rd May 2005, 11:39
Thanks for the support everyone! It really makes it easier to come away after a crash and still have the support from your mates. Cheers!

First thing is first so the bike is going to be sorted asap then we'll see what's on the cards next...

Quasievil
23rd May 2005, 11:48
:stupid: newbe's :rolleyes: (PT)

Try 25 years! (http://www.vicclub.co.nz/tiki-page.php?pageName=AboutVicClub)

Cheeky prick howd you like a kick up the arse ?

JohnBoy
23rd May 2005, 12:30
bad luck mate.. we saw the crash and that was a tough race as quite a few others came down as well in that heat.
Good luck in getting the bike up and running, hope to see you out there next round. :niceone:

ajturbo
23rd May 2005, 19:49
Well, the costs aren't that bad. For club racing (vic series) you could pay your $6000 for that bike on trademe and the only thing you would have to spend a cent on would be changing the gearbox oil every 2nd meeting. Apart from that you could quite easily run it at every meeting no problems.

For the nationals, you would be looking at a set of tyres ($450 or so) and a new piston every round ($250 and 60 mins max to change). Remembering that this bike would be on a pretty level playing field and would definately have a chance of taking home the title (guaranteed top 3 assuming good rider and no DNF's). Oh yeah and (nearly forgot) you've got the cost of a new crank (of which the one on trademe is rebuildable) which costs about $250 again, and needs doing every 1500kms or so. This is a bit of a more tricky process but doesn't need doing very often.

So a full season of the nationals (including buying the bike) for under $10000, with a chance of winning the class. Also last year I know that the top 3 or so guys went over to the gp at phillip island and rode in the support class. They did have to fork out the money, but there isn't another class in NZ at the moment where you could do that. So there is definately something to aim for.

If I had a spare $6000 I would buy that bike in an instant, it would last me untill I wanted to go up a class and could be competitively raced in the nationals for a few years or more.

Any other questions class??

ummm where do i get $6000 from?????:no:

Mitch
26th May 2005, 09:37
Cheeky prick howd you like a kick up the arse ?

Interesting was of putting it BUT Racey is correct Quasi, Vic club series has been running for over 20 years and now days the fields are often alot bigger then the nationals. Taupo last weekend... F3 grid..... 10 bikes Manfeild last weekend...... F3 grid...... 40 bikes qualified and 37 were still placing times at the end of the day. It is abit furthur for you guys to travel but it is SOOO worth it. It is a fantastic series put together by a bloody great bunch of guys that either still race themselves or wish they still could.
In the Vic club series we race on 3 different track layouts... all at Manfeild. AND the season has only just started. :niceone:

FROSTY
26th May 2005, 11:29
hey guys Im Mella Yellas defense (yea ok so I love my bike)
First engine rebuild was as a result of misdiagnosis. It lost power really badly during practice at pukie and was diagnosed as having damaged valves.
The motor was stripped /reringed and soposedly had a valve grind.
At that point the motor was damaged by a total fuckwit who tried to cover up his tracks with a bodgy repair.
I decided I wanted to get extra power by fitting a big bore kit but cut a fairly big corner by fitting it to a fairly tired motor.
The overheating problem resurfaced and was the same cause -worn out inlet manifolds sucking gobs of air.
Getting the bike very hot at least twice contributed to my troubles.
The current -now stock motor seems to be fine and Ill spend this winter first deciding what class Im going to race in and second sorting out mella yellas motor.
So I really don't think mella yella represents the average F3 bike

Kickaha
26th May 2005, 18:27
Interesting was of putting it BUT Racey is correct Quasi, Vic club series has been running for over 20 years and now days the fields are often alot bigger then the nationals.

From a racing point of view the Nationals are very poor value for money and I believe this is why the entries in thel last few years have decreased

$140 odd dollars to do three races over two days,your average guy/girl has very little chance of prize money and if he does it might cover his/her entry and not much else,makes the club days look very good value for money.

Kwaka-Kid
27th May 2005, 00:07
Interesting was of putting it BUT Racey is correct Quasi, Vic club series has been running for over 20 years and now days the fields are often alot bigger then the nationals. Taupo last weekend... F3 grid..... 10 bikes Manfeild last weekend...... F3 grid...... 40 bikes qualified and 37 were still placing times at the end of the day. It is abit furthur for you guys to travel but it is SOOO worth it. It is a fantastic series put together by a bloody great bunch of guys that either still race themselves or wish they still could.
In the Vic club series we race on 3 different track layouts... all at Manfeild. AND the season has only just started. :niceone:

SOLD!!!

So lets do it, my aim is to be there on the 25th, i dont care if its on my VFR, the FZR, or my brothers (now 2 wheeled thanks to the other 2 on my bike for crash bungs) Skateboard!!!

Hopefully dragging 6Chris down with me too!:grouphug: us aucklanders like to come down in crowds, get picked on less then:kick:

nicko
27th May 2005, 08:32
Hey MR,

Sorry to hear about the crash, reckon with your weight you'd go mean on a 125! And I reckon you should change classes before you get better and start beating me (which probably ain't far away!).

As always bro I've got some bits for you that will help you get back in one piece. e.g. clip-ons & screen.

Give me a holler.

Motoracer
27th May 2005, 11:32
Hey MR,

Sorry to hear about the crash, reckon with your weight you'd go mean on a 125! And I reckon you should change classes before you get better and start beating me (which probably ain't far away!).

As always bro I've got some bits for you that will help you get back in one piece. e.g. clip-ons & screen.

Give me a holler.

Cheers Nick, I'll give you call in the weekend to see if your free.

Sudeep :)

Motoracer
28th May 2005, 12:40
Thanx to svs, I got one more pic from Round 2. The track was a bit damp but not too bad overall. I'll go for a softer rear for the colder conditions next time for sure, as I still had a harder compound tire meant for hotter days for the last round.

I took the fairings apart and repairs look managable. Fingers crossed for round 3.
Cheers again to everyone for the support!

Two Smoker
28th May 2005, 19:01
Thanx to svs, I got one more pic from Round 2. The track was a bit damp but not too bad overall. I'll go for a softer rear for the colder conditions next time for sure, as I still had a harder compound tire meant for hotter days for the last round.

I took the fairings apart and repairs look managable. Fingers crossed for round 3.
Cheers again to everyone for the support!

WICKED news mate!!! you better be there mate... or i will have to ride my 400 down :(