Paeroa Street Race ... appearance money?

[Dreama]

A contentious subject, no doubt, but I read recently that the races over the years had poured over $500K into the local community.
Considering the amount of work everyone does for zip that's all good for Paeroa.

But what about the people who actually do the entertaining, meaning of course, us racers.
The cost for us to do the entertaining .... and believe me I've done my share of entertaining at Paeroa .... can be quite substantial even if you're one of the lucky ones and survive the day without 'entertaining' the crowds.
Now don't get me wrong ... I know why we do it !!
But the reality is this .... from a track time point of view, Paeroa is extremely poor value for money. If you only race one class, then you might get 15 mins track time for the day based on 2x practices and 2x races. Most race more than one class, but even so, it's buggar all track time.
Factor in the danger to ourselves and our machines, the cramped pit conditions, the oppressive heat and the long waits and each time I leave the place I think "Well, that was fun in a perverse sort of way but I'm not gunna do it again"
But, a year is a long time and mostly I do, and then ditto ...

Anyway. the point to my babble is this.
In reality it costs most of us a small fortune in one way or another to compete their and it's probably one of the few race meetings that actually makes pretty good money out of it.
So, in a nutshell, I believe they should offer the racers some appearance money.
Doesn't have to be much, even free entry would be a start.

So, does that open a can of worms. I don't think so.
Street racing is unique and does not compare at all to the circuits.

[CookMySock]

Well you either do it or you don't do it, don'tcha. So someone else made a buck and you didn't? So don't do it then.

Just do what you want.

Steve

[Coldrider]

Any profit belongs to the promoters who have stumped up the cash to run the event, who are also just as readily chip more cash if the event loses money.
Risk and return, basic investment policy.

[Peter Smith]

Paeroa pays prize money to the racers, you don't even get that at the nationals.
I got $300 for a 3rd in one race. I'll be back.

[eelracing]

Street racing is unique and does not compare at all to the circuits.



And that in a nutshell is the reason why crazy bastards will pay money to race around them.

If we all stopped entering them then maybe your suggestion would be a goer.

My first time at Paeroa this year and because of the incidents I only got to do practise and one race...it started to click by the end of that race and I was hooked.

But you're right it is hard to justify the expense involved...but like junkies etc etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Appearance money? If you're good enough it's called prize money. If not...I think you're getting a lil ahead of yourself.

[Number One]

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:lol: HA HA HA HAA I GOT IT SAID FIRST nyah nyah nyah nyah - time to go top up that Margarita me thinks

[Dreama]

So far the replies are focusing on me either whinging about not getting a slice of the pie, prize money or the concept of 'put up or shut up'.
Sadly, the point has been missed.
I have NEVER expected to get paid to race and to that extent I have never expected nor sought someone to "sponsor" my hobby. I rarely get prize money, for obvious reasons, but I don't care about that either. To a large extent my bikes and my hobby reflect me, and I'd imagine that's the same for most of us here.
My point is simply this :
Street racing is dangerous as hell. The risks are high to machine and body. But because we love the danger and challenge we do it.
So when I hear that the town/trust does very well, while it costs us quite a bit of coin ... and for fucks sake I do mean US ... I just figure that something doesn't seem right.
If a club that hosts and runs race meetings, like Vic, Pacific or amcc, happen to make good profits from those, where do those profits go .... back to the club and it's members, right.
That is my point .... the Paeroa community has done well out of the race. And so they should ... it's a monumental effort that I fully acknowledge and appreciate.
So I suggested they assist us with 'appearance money' which I then suggested be in the form of free entry, or perhaps petrol vouchers or something to say "Thanks guys, for putting in the effort"

Anyway .... I said it would be contentious.

[Shaun]

So far the replies are focusing on me either whinging about not getting a slice of the pie, prize money or the concept of 'put up or shut up'.
Sadly, the point has been missed.
I have NEVER expected to get paid to race and to that extent I have never expected nor sought someone to "sponsor" my hobby. I rarely get prize money, for obvious reasons, but I don't care about that either. To a large extent my bikes and my hobby reflect me, and I'd imagine that's the same for most of us here.
My point is simply this :
Street racing is dangerous as hell. The risks are high to machine and body. But because we love the danger and challenge we do it.
So when I hear that the town/trust does very well, while it costs us quite a bit of coin ... and for fucks sake I do mean US ... I just figure that something doesn't seem right.
If a club that hosts and runs race meetings, like Vic, Pacific or amcc, happen to make good profits from those, where do those profits go .... back to the club and it's members, right.
That is my point .... the Paeroa community has done well out of the race. And so they should ... it's a monumental effort that I fully acknowledge and appreciate.
So I suggested they assist us with 'appearance money' which I then suggested be in the form of free entry, or perhaps petrol vouchers or something to say "Thanks guys, for putting in the effort"

Anyway .... I said it would be contentious.



I 100% agree with you mate.

No riders = NO SHOW = NO profit to the community

MINIMUM should be FREE entry!!!

Paeroa, do not even pay the same prize money as Wanganui does, and goes on about how much money they make?

Pay the show people for coming, and the organisers will have show to manage and make profit from

Take the riders away, and the SHOW IS DEAD!!!!!!!

[jellywrestler]

Take the riders away, and the SHOW IS DEAD!!!!!!! clearly Shaun you haven't been to the pub on the hairpin on the sat night of the racing! The show's not dead at all

[Deano]

They get plenty of entries just the way it is, so what motive do they have to reduce their profit by paying appearance money ?

Yes it's dangerous, but plenty of racers get their jollies doing it. Some might say the reward is being able to show your stuff in front of huge crowds.

Until racers stop entering, I can't see them paying appearance money.

It's called choice.

[lostinflyz]

So far the replies are focusing on me either whinging about not getting a slice of the pie, prize money or the concept of 'put up or shut up'.
Sadly, the point has been missed.
I have NEVER expected to get paid to race and to that extent I have never expected nor sought someone to "sponsor" my hobby. I rarely get prize money, for obvious reasons, but I don't care about that either. To a large extent my bikes and my hobby reflect me, and I'd imagine that's the same for most of us here.
My point is simply this :
Street racing is dangerous as hell. The risks are high to machine and body. But because we love the danger and challenge we do it.
So when I hear that the town/trust does very well, while it costs us quite a bit of coin ... and for fucks sake I do mean US ... I just figure that something doesn't seem right.
If a club that hosts and runs race meetings, like Vic, Pacific or amcc, happen to make good profits from those, where do those profits go .... back to the club and it's members, right.
That is my point .... the Paeroa community has done well out of the race. And so they should ... it's a monumental effort that I fully acknowledge and appreciate.
So I suggested they assist us with 'appearance money' which I then suggested be in the form of free entry, or perhaps petrol vouchers or something to say "Thanks guys, for putting in the effort"

Anyway .... I said it would be contentious.

In the end, is it a professional or amaetuer meet really isn't it??? if its your job/career or life support then sure you need/deserve appearance money, but for pretty well everyone its a hobby and we get a kick from it. I seem to remember stroudy sat out a round at paeroa last year or this over the fact it wasn't worth it with no money for showing.

Down south we get no prize money for anything.

[gixerracer]

I agree if they dont pay me 10k im guna refuse to do it and watch it fall apart because im not there-insert TUI advert.
A contentious subject, no doubt, but I read recently that the races over the years had poured over $500K into the local community.
Considering the amount of work everyone does for zip that's all good for Paeroa.

But what about the people who actually do the entertaining, meaning of course, us racers.
The cost for us to do the entertaining .... and believe me I've done my share of entertaining at Paeroa .... can be quite substantial even if you're one of the lucky ones and survive the day without 'entertaining' the crowds.
Now don't get me wrong ... I know why we do it !!
But the reality is this .... from a track time point of view, Paeroa is extremely poor value for money. If you only race one class, then you might get 15 mins track time for the day based on 2x practices and 2x races. Most race more than one class, but even so, it's buggar all track time.
Factor in the danger to ourselves and our machines, the cramped pit conditions, the oppressive heat and the long waits and each time I leave the place I think "Well, that was fun in a perverse sort of way but I'm not gunna do it again"
But, a year is a long time and mostly I do, and then ditto ...

Anyway. the point to my babble is this.
In reality it costs most of us a small fortune in one way or another to compete their and it's probably one of the few race meetings that actually makes pretty good money out of it.
So, in a nutshell, I believe they should offer the racers some appearance money.
Doesn't have to be much, even free entry would be a start.

So, does that open a can of worms. I don't think so.
Street racing is unique and does not compare at all to the circuits.

[scracha]

I 100% agree with you mate.

No riders = NO SHOW = NO profit to the community

MINIMUM should be FREE entry!!!

Yep, or at least sink some money into good air fences.




I agree if they dont pay me 10k im guna refuse to do it and watch it fall apart because im not there-insert TUI advert.

See...now if you fast guys just had a union

[trev]

I agree if they dont pay me 10k im guna refuse to do it and watch it fall apart because im not there-insert TUI advert.

If you and a few of the other top (drawcard) racers joined Stroudy & withdrew from participating I don't think the promoters would consider it a "Tui" moment.

[ttelp15]

Double edged sword this one. How much money would the organisers make if it rained on race day and kept 80% of the paying public away? Not much! And weather it rains or shines on race day, the event stlll costs the same amount of money to put on.

[lostinflyz]

If you and a few of the other top (drawcard) racers joined Stroudy & withdrew from participating I don't think the promoters would consider it a "Tui" moment.

to be fully fair, 90% of people at street races know nothing about the riders or bikes so im not sure it would. greymouth ran big this year with no big names in any classes really.

for alot of top level guys theres nothing to gain by doing the meets, you either do them cause you want to or don't. I can't imagine it making much difference to the race organisers if they show up or not, so long as they have decent grids.

[Shaun]

If you and a few of the other top (drawcard) racers joined Stroudy & withdrew from participating I don't think the promoters would consider it a "Tui" moment.


Exactaually Trev

At least Andrew stood up about it, how many others have?

Sorry Craig

[gixerracer]

No apology required Shaun, I only do them because im contracted to do so by my sponsors and if I was to say to them I did not want to race the streets im pretty sure the support i do get would be much less and then I couldn't go do the track stuff to the level that I wish, so it is a bit of a double edged sword for me also. I admire Andrew for making a stand but I think it is a bit shit that he races Boxing day with no complaints but not Paeroa never could work that out.
Exactaually Trev

At least Andrew stood up about it, how many others have?

Sorry Craig

[Kiwi Graham]

Paeroa is one of the few places Joe blow gets to race in front of a large crowd, so thats one of the reasons a whole heap of us turn up.

It gets good TV coverage so sponsors like to see you there.

I guess when anyone gets influential enough a difference can be made (Andrew, Craig, Hayden etc) I'd like to see improved safety over entry money; Hire some air fences and consider the race when doing road surface repairs (road works) throughout the year.

[scott411]

its the thing with motorcycle racing world wide, we are used to to paying entry fees, so we keep on doing it, no matter how many people pay to watch us,

[Shaun]

No apology required Shaun, I only do them because im contracted to do so by my sponsors and if I was to say to them I did not want to race the streets im pretty sure the support i do get would be much less and then I couldn't go do the track stuff to the level that I wish, so it is a bit of a double edged sword for me also. I admire Andrew for making a stand but I think it is a bit shit that he races Boxing day with no complaints but not Paeroa never could work that out.



Maybe some thing to do with that big IMPORTANT COMPANY there and the prize money

[Taz]

See...now if you fast guys just had a union

They do. It's called MNZ. So they're f$%ked really aint they? And used to be called the NZACU didn't it and guess what the U stood for.

[wharfy]

They do. It's called MNZ. So they're f$%ked really aint they? And used to be called the NZACU didn't it and guess what the U stood for.

The AGM is coming up SOON - everybody figured out how they are going to vote on the proposed changes - especially
" 7.1.1.2 - Every club has automatic proxy for the affiliated MNZ members that are registered with MNZ as being part of that club, each affiliated member eg, Executive officers, Stewards, and Licence Holders of each club will have their vote cast at each AGM on their behalf by their club delegate. "

MY reading of this is if ratified it means that at the 2011 AGM the clubs with the most members can control what happens - There is no provision to say that they have to consult their members or what happens if members of the club are at the AGM ?
Its a pretty big change to they way MNZ operates.

As is the proposal to erase all mention of the "CEO" from the constitution. I wasn't around when the decision to have a CEO was made but I'm guessing it was debated at length. The removal of the CEO was done with no debate - I don't recall that being mentioned ANYWHERE before the elections last year ? Maybe if it had been on the "public" agenda we might have had more than 315 people vote ?
So who's going this year ?
If your not going who's got your proxy ?
How many people on here are members of MNZ ? ( All the racers have to be )

[slowpoke]

I admire Andrew for making a stand but I think it is a bit shit that he races Boxing day with no complaints but not Paeroa never could work that out.

Pie-Rower is a different level of risk compared to Wanga's though Craig, even for the fast buggers like yourself who actually have some idea of what they're doing.

The timing of the event it also brings into mind the question of priorities: fuck yourself/bike up there and it's kiss any chance of the NZSBK title goodbye.