Caution: Misrepresenting trader.

[nonplussed]

Just a note to caution kbers if they're planning to buy damaged bikes online from this trademe trader.

There's nothing wrong with buying crash damaged vehicles, as long as they are correctly represented so you know what you are getting yourself into if you live too far away to view them in person.

It's very easy to 'forget' to add a few details in a listing which make the bike un-economical to repair, these bikes were written off by the insurance company for a good reason.

A case in point are these two current listings.
The zx10 has been written off and was bought from star insurance (which are a thoroughly honest crash bike outlet) as a damaged write off. This guy has bought this bike and is selling it as a stolen recovered, implying it has not been damaged before. As a registered motor trader i'm sure he has a duty to disclose this. A vir will confirm this.

The hyosung has a bent, split frame. no mention of this in the listing.

Just beware, this is not the first dodgy bike this guy has sold to some poor bugger that believed the 'very easy repair', 'damage as far as i can see' bullshit.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=288204408

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=288177002

[hayd3n]

i hope not

[onearmedbandit]

Just to add some weight to your claims, do you mind telling us who you are in relation to the trader and how you are so certain that what you claim is the case. I've got no reason to doubt you, but we've only read the claims with nothing to substantiate them. I wonder how any slander laws apply in this situation if your claims are incorrect.

[bsasuper]

Sounds like he dosnt want any other bids so he can snap them up cheap.Nothing dodgy about it, buy at own risk.

[hellokitty]

There is an ongoing argument between that trademe guy and another trademe seller both of who sell cars and bike - we have been looking for a cosmetically damaged bike that we can use for engine and parts and have been entertained by the bitchy comments and arguing by this guy and another. Very childish but quite funny - from what I have read they both buy from auctions and bid against each other?
Don't know if the guy who started this thread has anything to do with it or not......

[Laava]

The guy denies that the Hobag frame is cracked. How can we find out?

[Mudfart]

yeah i had a lady report me for selling a baby cot and slander me in the qustions on my tm page. she stated the cot was a deathtrap, and was illegal to sell because it was breaking the laws required. I had posted all measurements etc, checked on the govt site to check its legality, and the cot was perfectly safe and legal. Turns out, she was a major private cot seller...........trademe pulled the cot purely because of her complaint, they never checked anything out. bitch, i wound up selling it at a garage sale, where noone even cared if it was legal!, maybe her and her mighty sword of righteous justice ought to swoop on garage sales.

[imdying]

yeah i had a lady report me for selling a baby cot and slander me in the qustions on my tm page. she stated the cot was a deathtrap, and was illegal to sell because it was breaking the laws required. I had posted all measurements etc, checked on the govt site to check its legality, and the cot was perfectly safe and legal. Turns out, she was a major private cot seller...........trademe pulled the cot purely because of her complaint, they never checked anything out. bitch, i wound up selling it at a garage sale, where noone even cared if it was legal!, maybe her and her mighty sword of righteous justice ought to swoop on garage sales.Link her up, shouldn't be hard to fuck with her auctions... it'll keep me amused on this rainy afternoon at least.

[Mudfart]

aww shit was back in 2006, and coz i never sold it on tm, there is no record of her name or comments. really fuked me off tho.
just beware there are people out there like that.
so desperate to shut down a guy trying to sell one stinkin cot, while they are running a business selling 20 of em. i hate the legitamised traders on tm, most of them are selling crap, inferior items.
IRD should check that shit out, they prolly arent claiming it.

[imdying]

Check your emails sent items, nobody clears that out :yes:

Happy to pass her details on to my mates in the IRD :laugh:

[Virago]

There is an ongoing argument between that trademe guy and another trademe seller...

What's the other trader's name?

[=cJ=]

Sure pal, just let me get that huge pinch of salt I've got lying round here somewhere.

Seriously though, provide some proof or fuck off.

[hellokitty]

What's the other trader's name?

I can't remember but it got nasty with one of them saying what the other had actually paid at the auctions for damaged bikes. Just keep an eye out I am sure it will happen again

[CookMySock]

I think it is more a case of a non-mechanic person picking bikes up cheap and moving them on TM. I personally think they are going to get bitten. Maybe it will take a few wake up calls for them to get out of that game.

Steve

[scooute]

Just to add some weight to your claims, do you mind telling us who you are in relation to the trader and how you are so certain that what you claim is the case. I've got no reason to doubt you, but we've only read the claims with nothing to substantiate them. I wonder how any slander laws apply in this situation if your claims are incorrect.

Cant wait to hear nonplussed's reply???

[Headbanger]

Its damaged, and they are inviting inspection


The above description is accurate & honest but it is the buyers responsibility to come and inspect this motorcycle prior to placing a bid so you are 100% satisfied with the all round condition of this motorcycle


Sounds perfectly fair to me.

Hell I insist on the right toi inspect no matter what condition the gear is in, even if they don't agree and I have the winning bid.

[Mully]

The Ninja is being advertised as stolen and recovered - not as an insurance write-off. Although, the question was asked, it seems to have been answered weirdly.

Meh - I wouldn't buy any bike I (or preferably someone who knew what they were doing) had a look at it. If it was in another city, I'd either ask someone on here to check it out or get the seller to take it to a bike shop for a pre-purchase check

[Brian d marge]

try the auction over here then 1 0r thousand moved a day , and the crashed bike auction , well there are some VERY creative hidden flaws

A mint CBR 900 rr with a FKDED frame that had been covered up ..looked ok , must have ridden like a bag of sht as a couple of weeks in a row it reappeared back on the auctions

buyer beware and all that

Stephen

[blackdog]

well, cars-on-demand have just pissed me off! wankers have outbid me on a firestorm i thought i wuz gonna get at a nice price.........

[Latte]

As soon as I saw the thread title I knew it would be cars on demand.

There was a hoohaa about this bike http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=281262308 , a bunch of questions about very specifc problems with the bike (frame related if I remember) which they denied, then eventual winner of the auction ended up relisting it for a lot less a couple weeks later (cars_on_demand had sold it once or twice before but obviously whoever won it didnt complete auction once they sighted the bike). I'm not sure if they intentionally misled anyone though, more a case that the buyer should really inspect in person, or be prepared to take a chance. Seems to be plenty of others that have got a good deal and are happy with their bikes/cars.

[bsasuper]

Its not rocket science, If I was interested in buying a recovered/written off bike, I GO AND INSPECT IT , if im happy i buy it.You cant rely on the seller to check it for you, hell if I had a $ for every time I went to check out a bike from a private seller that was "mint condition" id be rich. Caveat Emptor

[CookMySock]

outbid me on a firestorm i thought i wuz gonna get at a nice price.........Where? url?


Steve

[Mudfart]

why buy a fukked bike? waste of time unless its a classic. bikes are cheap enough anyway. i thought i was a scrooge, and my mum was scottish.

[CookMySock]

why buy a fukked bike? waste of time unless its a classic. Often it's a cheap or easy fix, or people have time on their hands and not money, or some other arrangement.

Steve

[hellokitty]

some people (like my dad) like to buy things in bits and then spend years rebuilding them - I think it is the rebuilding not the finished product that he likes..... kinda like a massive jigsaw puzzle

[nonplussed]

my brother got stung by this trader, he's a liar.
read the questions and answers on these auctions;

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280143265

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280317607

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=281262308

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-286178104.htm


just trying to give you all a heads up, don't shoot the messenger.

[firefighter]

Dodgy as fuck. In one of the auctions he mentions the bent frame, then form there on in categorically denies it. Buyer befuckenware.

What a wanker. Pit of death.

[blackdog]

Where? url?


Steve

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-286239879.htm

he's been outbid now too.....still cheap though, but more than my tightarse was gunna pay :lol: (my mam's scottish too :rofl:)

[blackdog]

whoa yea, dodgy as with the duc! reserve met three times and then relisted??? frame bent then magically not bent?? great way to lose your dealers license.....

[firefighter]

Who is the right authority to send this to? Someone tell me and i'll do it. It's fucken not on.

edit. If you want to be heard by someone who can do something about it;

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/online-complaint-form/

[firefighter]

Commerce commission complaint sent. You must disclose this information that he was clearly aware of, the fact he did'nt is completely illegal, and worse because he's a dealer.

Fucken wankstain.

I hope he gets charged to the full extent, and loses his trading licence.

What a piece of shit man. Caught out big time lying, for the same bike over and over again.

[twotyred]

Who is the right authority to send this to? Someone tell me and i'll do it. It's fucken not on.

edit. If you want to be heard by someone who can do something about it;

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/online-complaint-form/

has someone made a case to Trademe?

[firefighter]

has someone made a case to Trademe?

Dunno, who cares they can only ban him, and he'll open another account. The commerce commission will rape him in the arse.

[Laava]

With their Bananacannon?

[rustic101]

....will rape him in the arse.

God even I clenched my cheeks together when reading this bit lol

[=cJ=]

my brother got stung by this trader, he's a liar.
read the questions and answers on these auctions;

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280143265

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280317607

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=281262308

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-286178104.htm


just trying to give you all a heads up, don't shoot the messenger.

Mint, evidence provided. Previous fuck off statement withdrawn :-) Bling sent etc...

[Brian d marge]

snip.......Crash due to unexperienced rider

From the Ducati ad

Un experienced , so the rider gained then lost experience ?

Anyway there is a huge trade in crashed bikes, what would u get for a duke engine?

IF the sum of the parts easily outweighs the purchase price I wouldn't have even gone to look at it

but if I was going to rebuild it ,,, then me fine tooth comb comes out

Ive seen bike such as an Xj 400 , where its been crashed and worn away the fins on the head ( see out roads and u will see how it could happen ) and some one has rebuild the fins up,,,,filed then down ,,,Did a REALLY good job,,,,, we almost didn't realize it had been crashed until we looked closer , One new lever is usually a give a way

Buyer beware , all good fun till someone gets hurt!

Stephen

PPS just had a look at the Hung-low ( not going to trawl through old post but didn't someone say frame was bent , ) if you look at the gap between fairing and tyre its a bit close my alarm bells would be ringing about now !

[miloking]

One new lever is usually a give a way


And thats why you rebuild these things from second hand parts :D

[Brian d marge]

And thats why you rebuild these things from second hand parts :D

twas an example .......

but even then 2 levers not looking the same even a little , gets the curious juice a flowing , odd angles on the hero blobs. Paint mis match on engine cases ,,, there are some tricky people out the to which the world would be a nicer place if they wernt !

Stephen

[Pixie]

my brother got stung by this trader, he's a liar.
read the questions and answers on these auctions;

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280143265

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=280317607

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=281262308

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-286178104.htm


just trying to give you all a heads up, don't shoot the messenger.

I think the repeated use of the word "leaver" (leave 'er) must be a Freudian slip.

[zx10ruser]

Mint, evidence provided. Previous fuck off statement withdrawn :-) Bling sent etc...

so where is onearmedbandit,bsasuper,cj,scooute rebuttles????

this guy is fulll of it, he had a gsx650 i think a few months ago and he said it didnt look crashed just that something had dropped on it yet there was some serious rash on the engine cases, for those interested in the zx10 i no the history of that bike and have posted a question on the auction which should answer most peoples questions to the damage it previously had ( providing he actually answers it.......)

[scooute]

so where is onearmedbandit,bsasuper,cj,scooute rebuttles????

this guy is fulll of it, he had a gsx650 i think a few months ago and he said it didnt look crashed just that something had dropped on it yet there was some serious rash on the engine cases, for those interested in the zx10 i no the history of that bike and have posted a question on the auction which should answer most peoples questions to the damage it previously had ( providing he actually answers it.......)

Here it is, thankyou to nonplussed for bringing this to the attention of those here at KB, I also like putting jigsaws back together! but this crowd seem to like to hide the facts and keep the fun of it from those who intend to purchase. whilst the questions and answers in these auctions are entertaining this guy is the king of the "used salesman" stereotype, something the honest ones dont need!
Ride safe all

[blackdog]

so where is onearmedbandit,bsasuper,cj,scooute rebuttles????

this guy is fulll of it, he had a gsx650 i think a few months ago and he said it didnt look crashed just that something had dropped on it yet there was some serious rash on the engine cases, for those interested in the zx10 i no the history of that bike and have posted a question on the auction which should answer most peoples questions to the damage it previously had ( providing he actually answers it.......)

can you cc a copy of that question on here please?

there is also another blatant lie in his q&a. no dealer in his right mind will ever purchase a vehicle without a VIR (in fact its a legal requirement to have this paperwork to prove there is no security interest in it), and this will have given him the full registration/ownership history of the bike.......

[zx10ruser]

can you cc a copy of that question on here please?

there is also another blatant lie in his q&a. no dealer in his right mind will ever purchase a vehicle without a VIR, and this will have given him the full registration/ownership history of the bike.......

hi i can provide some details on this bike for those in question, i was un aware that it had been stolen recently but it orginally come from Star insurance and was a write off hence the re reg, it got certified so was checked that everything was straight, it appeared to have been hit from behind or been looped out, subframe,rear disc, mufflers, gas tank and rhs foot rest were replaced, as well as all fairings with after market ones.its also a 2007 model reg`d 08 for those not familar with zx10rs


thats what i posted on trademe, also rear rim had a slight bump which got repaired by wheel & frame, it has been all checked out so is definitly safe to ride, just crap the way he is advertising it acting stupid.

[blackdog]

well he aint going to be in business for long, word like this gets round pretty quick in a little country like ours.

that and i foresee legal and license issues for him in the not too distant future........

[Grubber]

Mint, evidence provided. Previous fuck off statement withdrawn :-) Bling sent etc...

Take my hat off to ya young man....stood up and was accountable!

[avgas]

why buy a fukked bike? waste of time unless its a classic. bikes are cheap enough anyway. i thought i was a scrooge, and my mum was scottish.
Because a fucked bike makes me look sexy.
likewise a sexy bike makes me look fucked.

[Insanity_rules]

As soon as I saw the thread title I knew it would be cars on demand.

There was a hoohaa about this bike http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=281262308 , a bunch of questions about very specifc problems with the bike (frame related if I remember) which they denied, then eventual winner of the auction ended up relisting it for a lot less a couple weeks later (cars_on_demand had sold it once or twice before but obviously whoever won it didnt complete auction once they sighted the bike). I'm not sure if they intentionally misled anyone though, more a case that the buyer should really inspect in person, or be prepared to take a chance. Seems to be plenty of others that have got a good deal and are happy with their bikes/cars.

Oh man, I know that bike. It used it be a REALLY nice bike and the (probably a couple back) old owner spent mega dollars on it. I was offered it a while ago while it was straight but couldn't quite afford it. Gutting when a real nice one gets written off.

[Insanity_rules]

can you cc a copy of that question on here please?

there is also another blatant lie in his q&a. no dealer in his right mind will ever purchase a vehicle without a VIR (in fact its a legal requirement to have this paperwork to prove there is no security interest in it), and this will have given him the full registration/ownership history of the bike.......

And I'd like to vouch that this man knows his knitting on this subject. I used to buy my bikes off him. Always a good deal and good treatment.

[onearmedbandit]

so where is onearmedbandit,bsasuper,cj,scooute rebuttles????

this guy is fulll of it, he had a gsx650 i think a few months ago and he said it didnt look crashed just that something had dropped on it yet there was some serious rash on the engine cases, for those interested in the zx10 i no the history of that bike and have posted a question on the auction which should answer most peoples questions to the damage it previously had ( providing he actually answers it.......)

I don't have to retract anything. If you read my post I in fact said I had no reason to doubt the OP, just wanted them to shed some more light on the situation so it could be fully understood.

[firefighter]

that and i foresee legal and license issues for him in the not too distant future........

Hmmmm, dunno how long it's supposed to take, but the auto-reply email from the commerce commission said it can take up to two months to hear back from them......

[jonbuoy]

I don´t see what he has done wrong? Insurance write offs are usually pretty rooted - thats why they are written off - beyond economical repair. Track use or spares for your bike. Pretty much a given bent forks means a tweaked frame.

[scooute]

I don´t see what he has done wrong? Insurance write offs are usually pretty rooted - thats why they are written off - beyond economical repair. Track use or spares for your bike. Pretty much a given bent forks means a tweaked frame.

I think its just as much the weasling around the truth in the Q&A as much as the "forgetting" to put the whole story in the add!!? one answer in one auction and another in the next on the same bike hmmm

[SILVER SUZI]

So is this the "NAME AND SHAME" section then. Great, I'd like to nominate Justin (used to be the parts manager at Blue Wing a couple of years ago when I bought the R1, don't know or care where he is now). Don't get me wrong I wouldn't give the bike back, but I was/still am a bit pissed about the lies I was told when I bought the bike, and the things he obviously "forgot" to mention when I bought the bike.
I'm just glad I don't own a Honda, cause I'd hate to be responsable for keeping him employed..................................... PRICK!!:tugger:

[blackdog]

i wonder if he's a MTA member. they would def be interested in knowing all this if he is.........

[zx10ruser]

lol after disclosing the details of the zx10r in my question he`s black listed me on trademe! doesnt want anyone noing anymore i guess

[Expert]

If he is a member of the MTA he's get reamed for the bullshit and blatant lies he puts on his auctions.
He pretends he's an insurance agent but the majority of the stuff he's selling he's bought from turners.
Can some ask him or find out if he is an MTA member and post back on here? I'd ask but he's blacklisted me for asking awkward questions ;)

[Robert Taylor]

Theres also a listing on Trade Me at present, someone trying to sell an Ohlins shock for an ST3, except in the photo its a Sachs shock sitting in an Ohlins box. Either the guy is stupid or a conman.

[Latte]

Place your bets........ $50 on the latter

[Mudfart]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Tourers/auction-295871275.htm

why put the panniers back on after the bike was in accident and written off? The bike doesnt look too bad, but the exhaust is removed, and i suspect the panniers are hiding something.
In saying that, im looking forward to buying a writeoff and building a track bike someday.

[imdying]

He makes a big noise about caveat emptor... well, I got news for him. In New Zealand, if he knows that something is wrong with the bike, is asked if anything is wrong with the bike, and then doesn't disclose what he knows, then he's breaking the law, and will lose at the Disputes Tribunal every time.

[onearmedbandit]

He makes a big noise about caveat emptor... well, I got news for him. In New Zealand, if he knows that something is wrong with the bike, is asked if anything is wrong with the bike, and then doesn't disclose what he knows, then he's breaking the law, and will lose at the Disputes Tribunal every time.

I know what you are saying, and yes you are right, but I will say that Star Insurance are from what I have gathered a very straight up outfit who usually list a full inspection report that details all damage and approx cost of repairs. These guys have sold lots of bikes this way.

[imdying]

Don't know them from a bar of soap myself, I just briefly skimmed the trademe listing. So long as they're honest in their dealings, they'll always be sweet. It's the right thing by the customer, and serves to protect them too, win win :yes:

[Mudfart]

if a bike has bent forks, and one person says that usually means a tweaked frame, is this a good indicator for not buying a writeoff, even if its for track use only?. noob question!.

[imdying]

Bikes are cheap, why bother with a bent one? What's an old GSXR600 worth these days anyway? Good percentage of 10 year old bikes will have gone down at some stage, you'd have to treat it on a case by case basis. To bend a fork, whether it bends the frame or not, is putting a hell of a lot of stress all over the place, in ways it's not designed to handle... would you want to run around a track at 200km/h on something like that? Seems like a false economy to me, but then plenty do, so it's obviously not an instant death warrant.

[nonplussed]

This guy makes me cringe, a little careful camera work and 'forgetting' to mention stuff in the listing.
In photo 13, has the crash nob busted a lump out of the frame?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=317343273

[Hans]

This guy makes me cringe, a little careful camera work and 'forgetting' to mention stuff in the listing.
In photo 13, has the crash nob busted a lump out of the frame?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=317343273

Don't say I didn't warn you. A week ago.

[Hans]

I've seen the bike and ridden it. PM me and I'll send you my phone number. Then I can tell you exactly why you should stay away from it. I also know how much that POS paid for it.