Attitude of the POPO!

[Rogue Rider]

Hi guys, I have had a rummage to find some discussion on this topic, but can't find anything current.
I have had some incidents in the past few years which really show a decline in the methods and state of our national traffic policing.
What concerns me, is the changing attitudes and methods being exercised by police officers. There seems to be a strong evidential shift from promoting safe driving practices to un-emotional bitter tasting ticketing.
Long gone are the days where the friendly black and whites would pull you over, explain why they have pulled you over, smile alot, and offer resolve and advice before venturing down the path of issuing and infringement notice. Most of the time there was a bit of grace if it was a minor offence, and a legitimate explanation could be given, even a somewhat humorous one....
Either way, mostly the experience wasn't like it today.
Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... More often, after being pulled over and spoken to by an officer, I either feel mad as hell and want to smash something or someone, or I feel like burning off and showering the AH with shingle.

Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.:gob: :blink:

[CookMySock]

Because mummy wasn't nice to them, so now they are going to make you pay. Watch their smirk turn to glee as you argue the point with them and consequently fail their attitude test, and then they process you for everything they possibly can.

It's not just about revenue collecting - now it's personal! I wonder what the fuck cops like this will do when they retire.

Steve

[miloking]

Hi guys, I have had a rummage to find some discussion on this topic, but can't find anything current.
I have had some incidents in the past few years which really show a decline in the methods and state of our national traffic policing.
What concerns me, is the changing attitudes and methods being exercised by police officers. There seems to be a strong evidential shift from promoting safe driving practices to un-emotional bitter tasting ticketing.
Long gone are the days where the friendly black and whites would pull you over, explain why they have pulled you over, smile alot, and offer resolve and advice before venturing down the path of issuing and infringement notice. Most of the time there was a bit of grace if it was a minor offence, and a legitimate explanation could be given, even a somewhat humorous one....
Either way, mostly the experience wasn't like it today.
Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... More often, after being pulled over and spoken to by an officer, I either feel mad as hell and want to smash something or someone, or I feel like burning off and showering the AH with shingle.

Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.:gob: :blink:

Unfortunately i had nothing but same experiences with them as you did ...so thats why i hate them so much.

(and before some mothefucker tells me its because i was arrogant to them...not it wasnt..each time i was stopped for minor offence i was polite and offered explantion of my actions when asked or just kept quiet still i was ALWAYS treated like shit)

[peasea]

Ooohh! A cop-bashing thread, my fave.:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[red mermaid]

Yeah, what a surprise and so original.

Someone wind the record player up and put the same old tune on, did they?

[zeocen]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

[miloking]

Yeah, what a surprise and so original.

Someone wind the record player up and put the same old tune on, did they?

I wish you were my local cop, because each time i would get pulled over you would be nice to me...because you are nothing like the other ones out there. Oh well...

[Toaster]

Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.:gob: :blink:


Unfortunately i had nothing but same experiences with them as you did ...so thats why i hate them so much.

(and before some mothefucker tells me its because i was arrogant to them...not it wasnt..each time i was stopped for minor offence i was polite and offered explantion of my actions when asked or just kept quiet still i was ALWAYS treated like shit)

I agree with the both of you, to an extent. If we ignore all the hard working police that work to fight gangs, crime, drugs, disorder etc etc and those that deal with road policing in a professional friendly firm and honest commonsense manner.... then yes there are an element that unfortunately, like in any large organisation, drag the rest down with poor conduct. I know many very good cops, and had also met some extremely poor ones. The fact of the matter is they had a long period where they struggled to get high quality people joining and sadly that reflects in some of the less than ideal examples out there.

I have had over my time, two dealings with the MOT (chat, speed warning - very friendly guys) and one with a cop who couldnt apologise enough for issuing me my first ticket after 20 years on the road. It was my fault, I was the one that was sorry. Personally I think there is a lot to be said for recruiting mature life experienced people into the force. Sadly, like any large employer they do have people that simply always rub people up the wrong way.

[scooute]

I used to hate the filth too believe me, :mad: I have also felt the quantum shift over the years and have never had any thing but grief from them be it when an offence was commited against me :angry2: or they thought I was offending (key is not to) deffinatly brewed some bad blood over the years! :yes: ( all before I started riding however, I have had no issues at all whilst riding, in fact theyve always helped me get compensation from drivers who pull out without looking and screw your ankle up etc...) However lets ponder this... What influence has the media had??? everyone is watched so closely these days by the media that they cant do anything but follow the black and white between the lines, maybe thats where the common scense and compassion of yester year has gone... If they show any the media jump all over them...just a thought?
Ride safe :scooter:

[scumdog]

Just look at what the rest of society is like.

And I don't reckon the 'popo' are any worse than they were 30 years ago.

[scumdog]

As common as the 'KB wave' threads....and generally as full of intelligent input.:yes:

[Toaster]

Just look at what the rest of society is like.

And I don't reckon the 'popo' are any worse than they were 30 years ago.

Not in Rotovegas anyways..........

[scumdog]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

Hey, not on KB please, it's not the 'KB way'!

[Kickaha]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

As have mine, one of them even makes me Tea when I call in

[Rogue Rider]

Hey, look, I don't hate cops, but I do believe they are public servants, and that they are there to serve the public and to keep the public safe. They are obligated to us, the public, to greet us and speak to us in a civil manner no matter what the instance is. I am always courteous and polite, and this never deserves, even if I was rude, a response of arrogance and rude behavior.
The police owe it to us, by right, to explain first the reasoning for the meeting, what apparent offence has been alleged, and to ask us for our response and explanation. Education should be paramount over infringement. Lives depend on it.
Also, I don't accept poor recruitment selection/ practice, they should be trained customer service and manners if it is so that there parents dragged them up instead of bringing them up.......
As far as real policing, sorry traffic police don't do real policing, real police solve crime and protect the public from violent offenders and criminals. Traffic police gather revenue for the crown by fulfilling their quota's and harassing those on the roads. They specifically target stereo types, and vehicles of interest.... This by the way is really a form of discrimination..... owh heres a sports bike, must be a law breaker..... or there's a patch, he must have drugs......

My respect goes to real cops, who catch real criminals, traffic police don't even make 20% of what the MOT were.... Bring back black and whites. Everywhere else has a separate specialist force....

[phill-k]

Well bugger me I've had 2 speeding tickets in the last 25yrs, the lesson I learnt was to keep a better scan going, deserved them both 2. Up north here I get stopped for reg & wof regularly, breath testing as well, doesn't worry me if they catch the bugger that was going to cross the centre line and take me out - stop the crap if you got a ticket you deserved it, do a better job of scanning - read be aware of whats going on around u.

[Teflon]

The police here in Hamilton are all good cunts. 15+ years, never had problem

[wingnutt]

Phew, mate I have to say you have taken the words right out of mouth, I totally agree with your sentiments.
As an old fart, I have seen the change in attitude of traffic officers today, as compared with the 60 and 70’s where as you say they, had the respect of most riders I knew, mainly because of the way they treated us which was with advice and respect for our abilities. If a ticket was given, it was usually deserved.

I have has a couple of run ins myself, because I get bloody angry when a cop displays arrogance, and rudeness. I don’t believe I need to take that kind of shit from any officer, no matter whether he/ she is right or wrong.

Even today, at a check point I grunted at, “warrant of fitness where?” could tell by his voice, $200 was looking good, until I shoved a finger at it.
And like you I rode off feeling bloody angry.

You are right no matter what they say, traffic enforcement is monetary driven it’s not about road safety anymore, it’s about bureaucrats justifying their huge salaries.

To some degree, I sympathize with the cops in the cars, they are basically following orders of the hierarchy, its there that needs to be huge attitude change.
They are losing rapidly, the respect of motorists I believe, and if they want to maintain that, then they need to look urgently at the basic ways motorist are being treated.

[scooute]

Well bugger me I've had 2 speeding tickets in the last 25yrs, the lesson I learnt was to keep a better scan going, deserved them both 2. Up north here I get stopped for reg & wof regularly, breath testing as well, doesn't worry me if they catch the bugger that was going to cross the centre line and take me out - stop the crap if you got a ticket you deserved it, do a better job of scanning - read be aware of whats going on around u.

Good call, I used to get pulled over so often for the same things (no issues of course) that I cant help but be aware of whats going on around me, my friends think I have an extra scense for it haha...

[red mermaid]

Your post was reasonably intelligent until you wrote as highlighted, which goes to prove you know nothing at all about what the police doing traffic duties do in their days work.



Hey, look, I don't hate cops, but I do believe they are public servants, and that they are there to serve the public and to keep the public safe. They are obligated to us, the public, to greet us and speak to us in a civil manner no matter what the instance is. I am always courteous and polite, and this never deserves, even if I was rude, a response of arrogance and rude behavior.
The police owe it to us, by right, to explain first the reasoning for the meeting, what apparent offence has been alleged, and to ask us for our response and explanation. Education should be paramount over infringement. Lives depend on it.
Also, I don't accept poor recruitment selection/ practice, they should be trained customer service and manners if it is so that there parents dragged them up instead of bringing them up.......
As far as real policing, sorry traffic police don't do real policing, real police solve crime and protect the public from violent offenders and criminals. Traffic police gather revenue for the crown by fulfilling their quota's and harassing those on the roads. They specifically target stereo types, and vehicles of interest.... This by the way is really a form of discrimination..... owh heres a sports bike, must be a law breaker..... or there's a patch, he must have drugs......

My respect goes to real cops, who catch real criminals, traffic police don't even make 20% of what the MOT were.... Bring back black and whites. Everywhere else has a separate specialist force....

[blackdog]

Your post was reasonably intelligent until you wrote as highlighted, which goes to prove you know nothing at all about what the police doing traffic duties do in their days work.

well then, rather than just stating someone knows nothing perhaps you could explain why you have made this ascertation

[Shadowjack]

I know this is KB, but anyway....
My dealings with regard to Road Policing (or any other Police matters) have invariably been courteous, polite, educational, and pleasant.
There.
I said it.

[miloking]

I know this is KB, but anyway....
My dealings with regard to Road Policing (or any other Police matters) have invariably been courteous, polite, educational, and pleasant.
There.
I said it.

You are lucky man...or should i rather say you are lucky 17 year old girl with large tits, otherwise i dont believe for a moment that they were ALWAYS courteous and pleasant!

[Shadowjack]

You are lucky man...or should i rather say you are lucky 17 year old girl with large tits, otherwise i dont believe for a moment that they were ALWAYS courteous and pleasant!

Not ALWAYS...
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invariably

[Kickaha]

i dont believe for a moment that they were ALWAYS courteous and pleasant!

They ALWAYS have been in any roadside dealing I have had with them, although I don't seem to attract their attention very often

[Toaster]

They ALWAYS have been in any roadside dealing I have had with them, although I don't seem to attract their attention very often

Attracting attention..... key words really.

[GOONR]

Attracting attention..... key words really.

I've only been in the country 6 years, never spoken to the "POPO", I have only been riding a bike here for just under a year but have been driving since the first day I turned up.

[peasea]

well then, rather than just stating someone knows nothing perhaps you could explain why you have made this ascertation

Because RM thinks he knows everything, is all powerful and infallible.

[tigertim20]

Hi guys, I have had a rummage to find some discussion on this topic, but can't find anything current.
I have had some incidents in the past few years which really show a decline in the methods and state of our national traffic policing.
What concerns me, is the changing attitudes and methods being exercised by police officers. There seems to be a strong evidential shift from promoting safe driving practices to un-emotional bitter tasting ticketing.
Long gone are the days where the friendly black and whites would pull you over, explain why they have pulled you over, smile alot, and offer resolve and advice before venturing down the path of issuing and infringement notice. Most of the time there was a bit of grace if it was a minor offence, and a legitimate explanation could be given, even a somewhat humorous one....
Either way, mostly the experience wasn't like it today.
Over the past few years, I have had 4 tickets, as well as being pulled over for supposedly "routine checks" The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....
They have the sensitivity and compassion level of a rock, and pretty much arouse more anger than the desire to change our standards and drive safer..... More often, after being pulled over and spoken to by an officer, I either feel mad as hell and want to smash something or someone, or I feel like burning off and showering the AH with shingle.

Why do we have to have such a negative culture of dick head cops, can't they find people who have communication skills, and are actually in the job to make a difference instead of filling there flippin quota's...... there is no denying the lies though, they definitely have quota's and competition to get people ticketed....... bikes are a definite target for these.

rant rant rant rant...... what about driver/ rider education, what about warnings...... where is the grace, what motivation are the police officers actually giving us.:gob: :blink:

*devils advocate mode* ignore morons like DB. do their job for a day. Id bet if they pull over 20 people in a day, 18 or more of those people, will immediately respond in an aggressive, arrogant, 'what the fuck do you want you cunt pig' manner. Its the attitude of the public that has changed too. if you put up with that shit all day, youd be an asshole when you pulled people up too. Personally, in my communications with cops, I am the politest nicest guy for the first 15 seconds, to show I am not a wanker, and willing to co-operate. if after that, the cop is a wanker,then I become a real difficult cunt, but I dont do so just because I have been pulled over.

often its the attitude of the person who has been pulled over that cops respond to, now yes, there are some real fuckwit cunts wearing the uniform out there for sure, but most of them are just trying to do their job, yet endure abuse and attitude day in and day out. ask yourself this: Think about all the fuckhead, ignorant, arrogant, or downright dangerous cages you see everyday from atop your bike. imagine what wankers they are when they get pulled over. would you be able to tlerate that crap without bashing their face in with a baton? I couldn't. they have a fuck of a job. yes there are the few nazi's, but next time you get pulled up, try and focus on passing the attitude test, you will likely find that that gets you most of the way to getting a friendlier response, and a huge amount more tolerance from the boys in blue...........
*switching to KB mode*
fuckin pig fucking cunts, arsehole wankers fuckin all of them . . .

[ajturbo]

one thing i would love is the return of the old days... before radars...
in Nelson, they (the cops) new me by my first name, and most times couldn't prove that i was going too fast.. but when i did get pulled over, i would get the lecture.... and now off you go and don't do it again..!!! pulled my head in for a while.. till next time.....

ah the good old days of the 80's

[schrodingers cat]

I agree with the comment as to how our media in their desperation to sell advertising hypes the shit out of everything. The Police are on a hiding to nothing. Every time a FWit runs from the police the story is how they chased them. Focus on who the criminal is people. If the Fwit plows into a mother and baby then the knives are out - where were the police in this? Who was the lawbreaker?

I also agree that there are good police and most so competant police but I would far rather have a police force thats trying rather than a corrupt force.

I believe there are quotas. Set by politicions. That you vote for

Judging by KB motorcycling in this country hasn't a hope in hell of getting unified political clout. There are too many folks tearing each other apart to co-operate

Knock Knock
Who's there?
A Kiwi Biker

[Owl]

And I don't reckon the 'popo' are any worse than they were 30 years ago.

Perhaps not, but I don't get let off as often as I used to:laugh:

Over the years, I've had more infringement notices than I care to remember (only 1 unfair), but I can't say I've ever come across a nasty cop. I'm sure they exist, but I've alway's been treated fairly and with courtesy.

Once, I was aware of being set up to fail (offer bullshit), but chose the honest approach. To my surprise, I received some worthy advice and then sent on my way. I probably should've had my arse roasted for that one, riding a 750, pillion, 1.00-1.30am, speeding etc and all on a restricted licence.

The way I see it, the cops are still in credit!:yes:

[pritch]

The police officers nearly every time are cold, interrogatory and often look like they just graduated from nappies, and have never needed a shave yet.....


This is one of the standard indicators of impending old age. "When the Policemen on the beat look young..."
You can tell that's a very old saying because it's many years since a cop walked anywhere. :whistle:

You need to work on not growing old and grumpy. And it might pay to invest in a radar detector?

[scumdog]

one thing i would love is the return of the old days... before radars...
in Nelson, they (the cops) new me by my first name, and most times couldn't prove that i was going too fast.. but when i did get pulled over, i would get the lecture.... and now off you go and don't do it again..!!! pulled my head in for a while.. till next time.....

ah the good old days of the 80's

But back then there were only 10 bikes in Nelson!:laugh:

[red mermaid]

And 5 of them were probably MoT bikes.

[rustic101]

Attitudes change, including mine.

Some twenty plus years ago as a young Serviceman I ripped past a B&W in Templeton, can't even remember the speed to be honest.

Guilt got the better of me so I stopped at the camp gates, took my helmet off and waited. A couple of minutes later said B&W Holden screeched to a halt right beside me, he launched himself out of the car and really went to town on me nutting (not talking) off like a man possessed about temporary citizen etc etc. after what seemed like a very long five minutes he got in his car did a ue and drove off. I stood there perplexed.

My point is - Today I would never go that fast, never not stop and perhaps suffer the consequence of my actions. What does concern me though is there are a number of Officers I know that get that 'Red Mist' call in a Pursuit and it is all on from there.. Recently one Officer has even called Comms (open source) 'spineless' for 'Abandoning Pursuits'.

So yeah its all about peoples attitudes.

[Laava]

Gotta love these threads about generalisations! Cops are pricks, harley riders don't wave, cage drivers are arrogant, women can't park etc etc

[scumdog]

Gotta love these threads about generalisations! Cops are pricks, harley riders don't wave, cage drivers are arrogant, women can't park etc etc

Hey, you've got it pretty well summed up!

You forgot Honda riders are gay.

And people with radar-detectors only use them to make sure they ride safely and to keep their speed down.

[Expert]

I was invited out on a ride a little while back, but i knew a copper would be going on it. although supposedly off duty, i didn't fancy hanging around with the filth, and i said so.
The reply i got suprised me, "he's a good bloke, he does 150k's everywhere, it'll be fast blah blah". Everyone in the group concurred.
I couldn't believe it, only thing worse than a cop is a bent cop!
How come it's ok for him to rip around breaking the traffic laws?
I thought that stank.
This country is a police state, make no mistake. This country is in fear of NZ's largest organised gang.

Peace out.

[scumdog]

I was invited out on a ride a little while back, but i knew a copper would be going on it. although supposedly off duty, i didn't fancy hanging around with the filth, and i said so.
The reply i got suprised me, "he's a good bloke, he does 150k's everywhere, it'll be fast blah blah". Everyone in the group concurred.
I couldn't believe it, only thing worse than a cop is a bent cop!
How come it's ok for him to rip around breaking the traffic laws?
I thought that stank.
This country is a police state, make no mistake. This country is in fear of NZ's largest organised gang.

Peace out.

Then theres the story about "We went verywhere at 100 to 105kmh, aren't these guys ever off duty FFS, it took us ages to get anywhere at all!"

[Owl]

This country is a police state, make no mistake. This country is in fear of NZ's largest organised gang.

And what makes you the expert?

:rofl:

Sorry dude, but couldn't help myself:D

[schrodingers cat]

I couldn't believe it, only thing worse than a cop is a bent cop!
How come it's ok for him to rip around breaking the traffic laws?
I thought that stank.


Any I bet you believe that if he got caught then he would be exempt from the penalties the rest of us would suffer because 'his gang mates would get him off'

Careful not to get rear ended by your paranoia!

Citizen within the law have little to fear. What's your story xpurt?

[firefighter]

i didn't fancy hanging around with the filth, and i said so.

Filth?! What exactly do you do? Just wondering as to what wonderful things you give back to the community to have a horse this high......(seriously) It must be something pretty great.


I couldn't believe it, only thing worse than a cop is a bent cop!
How come it's ok for him to rip around breaking the traffic laws?

Who said it's ok? He would'nt get off if he was caught, in fact he would be punished far worse than anyone he tickets for it......bent would be if he used his influence to get off the ticket.

Remember it's a job, he does'nt have to live, eat, sleep and shit being a police officer when off-duty. Good on him for letting go and enjoying his time off.
I take it you've never ever done anything which contradicts the rules you'd have to follow at your place of employment? (presuming you have a job)


This country is a police state, make no mistake. This country is in fear of NZ's largest organised gang.

Jesus. Yes it's all so damn rough. We have it so hard here in New Zealand!!!! We are such an oppressed nation! Waaaaaa,waaaaaaa!!!!!!

Move to China and you will learn all about a police state, our cops actually put up with a LOT of shit before they bite back. I'd love to see all those pieces of shit off 10-7 try the shit they put on with a 'merican cop. They'd get fucked up. You then see them having a big sooky bitch because the cop touched them. Why are kiwis so damn precious?

Sigh, yet another uneducated and un-travelled ignorant and obviously lower decile kiwi.

[meowmix]

Woah.

I'm one of those yet to have a positive experience with the Police. I rarely speed/break the law (always end up with a que of traffic behind me by sitting at 99), I'm just a young male with a motorcycle and a 'sporty' ninties car. Generalising that all cops are dicks is fair I think, considering they generalise all young males with potentially reasonably fast cars as speeding drunks.
In my experience, the police relentlessly seek revenue, and even when blatantly wrong (Court dismissal of fines etc.) They make sure you know that they are letting you off for an unrelated technical issue. Not that they are wrong.
I've never been directly helped by the Police. But I do appreciate some of the work they do for other people, and hope one day maybe they'll be there when I need help.

Average KB response, its the average for a reason no?

[Max Preload]

Not ALWAYS... invariably

Invariably means always. Without variation, a constant. :rolleyes:


Because RM thinks he knows everything, is all powerful and infallible.

Must be Highway Patrol, eh. :whistle:

[scumdog]

[I]

I'd love to see all those pieces of shit off 10-7 try the shit they put on with a 'merican cop. They'd get fucked up. You then see them having a big sooky bitch because the cop touched them. Why are kiwis so damn precious?.

Damn right, shit-heads get it easy here, make no mistake about that.

[Expert]

God help me firefighter, you are a twat aren't you!?

[firefighter]

God help me firefighter, you are a twat aren't you!?

Yep. It's me that's the twat.........

I thought that was about as intelligent a response i'd get there from the calibre of your original post. You failed to answer a single legitimate question.

Obviously you know what i've written is the truth and lack a braincell with enough substance to defend your own tripe.

[MIXONE]

I've been booked twice in the last 12 months.At fault (obviously) both times.First up was the BMW riding cop who patrols the Welly motorway and his attitude sucks.Second was a Masterton cop who couldn't have been nicer.My attitude is always "Yes sir,no sir" so it proves that there are good uns and bad uns(or good days and bad days!)

[Laava]

This country is a police state, make no mistake. This country is in fear of NZ's largest organised gang.Peace out.

Aww! Don't be scared!

[wingnutt]

I think the discretionary powers of the cops have been taken away, replaced with performance markers, and the decision, to issue a ticket, has been made, even before the cop gets out of the car. They have become nothing more than glorified paper pushers, and revenue collectors.

When a cop stops are vehicle, it is he or she who is controlling the situation, and if he/she treats the other driver with arrogance and rudeness, then he/she can’t in all reality, expect the other driver, to sit there and take it. I for one, will not listen to rudeness or arrogance from some blue uniformed prick, who thinks he has the right treat me with distain. He can I think, rightfully, expect to get it back in shovel fulls.

Treat me with respect, and I will do the same.

But even common courteousness has disappeared, go through a check point, there is no hello, or good evening, sometimes you might get a grunt if you’re lucky, usually its “licence” “wof” “blow here” etc no please, or thanks, just a grunt if they can’t book you for anything.

This makes me angry too, I feel forced into a confrontational situation, not of my making, been treated like crap, and let loose again. No wonder I want to kick something after.

Weekend rides used to be a wonderful thing, but these days, you need one eye on the speedo, one eye on the road, and another eye on the mirrors in case a cop wants to book you for being 5kph over. It has got bloody ridiculous, If it’s not checkpoints its speed cameras, if it’s not that it’s cops with a ticket fetish.

No wonder people drive the way they do, they are scared of getting booked for bloody breathing!

I used to have the utmost respect for them, I do understand they have to deal with some real eggheads, but they have forgotten that most riders, drivers, are pretty good, albeit, be prone to the odd cock up.

there needs to be more discretion, but there is not, its 120kph, ticket. 111kph ticket. 105kkph ticket. It doesn’t matter if it was on a downhill slope, middle of nowhere, no other vehicles, fine weather, and dry road, and the missus has gone into labour, no sirrr, that will be $170.

Treat that fair-minded driver like that, and they can expect the next time around, not to be given the time of day. That I’m afraid is me.

[schrodingers cat]

God help me firefighter, you are a twat aren't you!?

Was firefighter nasty to you xpurt? Poor dear. I bet the filty popo's are equally bad trying to achieve a medium of law and order at your expense.
Can you spell libertarian? Or even know what one is?

[Expert]

Hey firefighter, although i still think you jumped the gun on this issue, jumping down my throat without knowing anything about me or how many countries i've lived in and thinking it's ok for cops to speed on their days off or thinking that just because we don't live in communist china we aren't oppressed in this country (wait till the cops are armed).
i have to admire your stand on that dodgy dealer thing. you've gone up in my estimation. well done.

[scumdog]

Ah, I'm soooo glad I live in the uncluttered and laid-back south!!

Attitudes are for those living north of Chertsey!

[zeocen]

But even common courteousness has disappeared, go through a check point, there is no hello, or good evening, sometimes you might get a grunt if you’re lucky, usually its “licence” “wof” “blow here” etc no please, or thanks, just a grunt if they can’t book you for anything.

Strange, I've always had happy men and women usher me through checkpoints. Had one charming fellow who complimented my bike and saying "Ahh I hate helmets, can ya fit it in there mate?"

A brisk walk around a certain area of the Auckland District Court makes me thankful this police "gang" is still around, even with people taking such distain against them.

Some people are nice people, some people aren't nice people, either can become police - shock, horror, I know. Shit, is this what they call logic? My mind is blown.

[miloking]

Filth?!

Who said it's ok? He would'nt get off if he was caught, in fact he would be punished far worse than anyone he tickets for it......bent would be if he used his influence to get off the ticket.



You are dreaming, of course they dont get punished...what about the usual cases of double standarts that we read about (drink dirving and refusing to get tested for example)


Filth?!

Remember it's a job, he does'nt have to live, eat, sleep and shit being a police officer when off-duty. Good on him for letting go and enjoying his time off.
I take it you've never ever done anything which contradicts the rules you'd have to follow at your place of employment? (presuming you have a job)



NO its not a "job" its a public service (that you and I pay them for!), and therefore they should lead by an example...so "letting go" and ejoying himself doing exacltly what he tickets people for during day is the highest form of hypocrisy!
But you wouldnt know anything about that would you?



Filth?!

Jesus. Yes it's all so damn rough. We have it so hard here in New Zealand!!!! We are such an oppressed nation! Waaaaaa,waaaaaaa!!!!!!

Move to China and you will learn all about a police state, our cops actually put up with a LOT of shit before they bite back. I'd love to see all those pieces of shit off 10-7 try the shit they put on with a 'merican cop. They'd get fucked up. You then see them having a big sooky bitch because the cop touched them. Why are kiwis so damn precious?
.

No we are not opressed nation (not sure what that has got to do with the argument), thats why i live here...but cops are still bunch of dickeheads that treat us like second grade citizens!

(and no, iam not kiwi, iam from europe, from pretty corupt country actualy...but still cops have other things to worry about than some meaningless traffic offences)

[scumdog]

You are dreaming, of course they dont get punished...what about the usual cases of double standarts that we read about (drink dirving and refusing to get tested for example)



NO its not a "job" its a public service, and therefore they should lead by an exapmple...so "letting go" and ejoying himself douing exacltly what he tickets people for during day is the highest for of hypocrisy!
But you wouldnt know anything about that would you?




No we are not opressed nation (not sure what that has got to do wiith the argument), thats why i liive here...but cops are still bunch of dickeheads that treat us like second grade citizens!

Enjoy!!!:2thumbsup

[rastuscat]

Yup, discretion used to see lots more warnings.

Trouble is, lots more warnings meant lots more people failing to get the message, and thus more deaths. In 1973 more than 800 died. We all loved the cops because they gave warnings, but more died.

The thing is, the cops are there to do stuff which causes people to comply with the law, hopefully leading to less deaths and injury.

It's enforcement to prevent crashes, not a popularity contest.

Yes, they are public servants, and have to be accountable. However, sometimes things have to be done that people don't like.

So there.

[rastuscat]

This makes me angry too, I feel forced into a confrontational situation, not of my making, been treated like crap, and let loose again. No wonder I want to kick something after.

there needs to be more discretion, but there is not, its 120kph, ticket. 111kph ticket. 105kkph ticket. It doesn’t matter if it was on a downhill slope, middle of nowhere, no other vehicles, fine weather, and dry road, and the missus has gone into labour, no sirrr, that will be $170.

So, how many times have you been treated badly by the cops over the years? 10? 20?

I've been in traffic enforcement for over 22 years. Each day I deal with people I always start off on a friendly note, and several times each day it turns into what a nasty man I am, it's all about revenue, it's just a quota etc. That happens maybe 2000 times each year. At a guess.

So, you've been treated badly 10 or 20 times, and I've been treated badly maybe 44000 times.

Wanna swap?

[rastuscat]

Just thought a bit more, and it's probably not so bad.

I've probably only been treated like a doormat 10000 times.

Sorry I exaggerated.:angry:

[Squiggles]

All my encounters with the police whilst motorcycling has been great. They have been friendly and helpful, even when I've been in the wrong.

Same here...

[rustic101]

Its not the the message but rather how the message is delivered; both verbally and through Non Verbal Communication (NVC).

I'm not complaining about the message. Simple answer is - don't do anything illegal, however if one does then there are some individuals that need to address how they deliver that message....

[firefighter]

You are dreaming, of course they dont get punished...what about the usual cases of double standarts that we read about (drink dirving and refusing to get tested for example)

Ahhh, actually they do, a couple of bad eggs who struck damn near greater media attention than any murderer or rapist has ever received. Two I can remember, look how much attention that got?! If it happened as often as you thought, it would be in the news every day. You do realise they did get charged right?! If they had'nt you would'nt have even heard about it......I ca'nt say I recall it happening as often as you seem to proclaim..... Are you really that paranoid?


NO its not a "job" its a public service (that you and I pay them for!), and therefore they should lead by an example...so "letting go" and ejoying himself doing exacltly what he tickets people for during day is the highest form of hypocrisy!

No, it's a job. They are there to do a job, not serve you......What's with you idiots thinking you OWN people because your taxes pay the salaries? You think that because they get paid minimum wage they should 24/7 act like absolute angels.......? pffft. How about you try that. They are human beings not robots. You think you own me too? pssssst.....I stop looking when i'm cooking sometimes......do'nt tell 3 News ssshhhh!


But you wouldnt know anything about that would you?

Do tell? Or is this sort of witty quip i'm missing? Unsure of the hypocrisy which applies to me that you are obviously inferring.


No we are not opressed nation (not sure what that has got to do with the argument),

Maybe you should re-read what I was quoting, it's quite easy to see if you read what I replied to. Dunno if you ca'nt see it N.Z has some pretty decent adult education facilities available.


thats why i live here...but cops are still bunch of dickeheads that treat us like second grade citizens!

Really. I deal with them more than you i'm sure, and I could'nt disagree more. I'd say those people that truely agree with this moronic shit have problems with authority and their ego gets rubbed the wrong way when they get told off, and they ca'nt handle it. Grow some balls, be a man, and if da big bad powice man tells you off it's probabwy for a weason ok?! It's nuffing personal.....

What would you have happen with these "dickheads"? Maybe just rid the nation of police and just let crims take over eh? Or just let people drive however the fuck they like all over the roads...?


(and no, iam not kiwi, iam from europe, from pretty corupt country actualy...but still cops have other things to worry about than some meaningless traffic offences)

You realise they are required to deal with the traffic offenses right? Of-course there's other things they'd rather be doing. But they would'nt be fulfilling their job description if they ignored people breaking the law in front of them, and if they did i'm sure you'd have a big spit of the dummy and cry over that too....."I saw a guy speeding and this cop did'nt do anything..." waaa waaa. Just because your country is full of corruption that does'nt mean our cops should be so busy with corruption they do'nt have time for enforcing the "meaningless traffic regulations...."

Would you enjoy a drink/speeding driver to wipe out your family? Think about that. Yes a lot of the tickets that are issued at times I agree are pretty unneccessary, even to point of being "bullshit", for sure. Remember whatever you do, if you really are passionate about it, the little things start to mean a lot, that's why a cop may just seem a little overly upset at what would be considered trivial..... That hardly makes them wankers or dickheads, it makes them human. What job do you have? I bet there is plenty of absolute fucken cocks in that trade.......that does'nt mean i'd tar you all with the same brush....

I would'nt even call you a dickhead just yet, just mis-guided.

[miloking]

Ahhh, actually they do, a couple of bad eggs who struck damn near greater media attention than any murderer or rapist has ever received. Two I can remember, look how much attention that got?! If it happened as often as you thought, it would be in the news every day. You do realise they did get charged right?! If they had'nt you would'nt have even heard about it......I ca'nt say I recall it happening as often as you seem to proclaim..... Are you really that paranoid?


Ok that time i was refering to second hand knowledge of someone who used to be a cop for quite a few years, and the stories of dodgey antics his buddies on duty used to get up to (speeding, dring driving etc.)...but as you said, just like any other "job" and "few" bad eggs.
(i wont go into any detail about this as it wouldnt lead anywhere but into more arguments...its just something i've heard and believed to be true but for all i know it can be made up as well)





No, it's a job. They are there to do a job, not serve you......What's with you idiots thinking you OWN people because your taxes pay the salaries? You think that because they get paid minimum wage they should 24/7 act like absolute angels.......? pffft. How about you try that. They are human beings not robots. You think you own me too? pssssst.....I stop looking when i'm cooking sometimes......do'nt tell 3 News ssshhhh!



yes for them its a job, but those ones that treat it as a "job" that pays the bills and not as something that society should look up to are probably the "rotten eggs" we are talking about..also they dont get paid mininum wage! (very far from it actualy, ask some people at McDonnalds or some gas station if they would like to start on 42K+)

AND No i dont own you and never implied i did...so dont make this into some meaningless personal argument!




Do tell? Or is this sort of witty quip i'm missing? Unsure of the hypocrisy which applies to me that you are obviously inferring.



Ok sorry that was uncalled for since i dont know you.






Maybe you should re-read what I was quoting, it's quite easy to see if you read what I replied to. Dunno if you ca'nt see it N.Z has some pretty decent adult education facilities available.



Yes i know what you were trying to say but its still not the argument here, of course we are not oppressed by police here like in some 3rd world country....but this whole argument is merely about their behaviour that we have come accross in our day to day life.




Really. I deal with them more than you i'm sure, and I could'nt disagree more. I'd say those people that truely agree with this moronic shit have problems with authority and their ego gets rubbed the wrong way when they get told off, and they ca'nt handle it. Grow some balls, be a man, and if da big bad powice man tells you off it's probabwy for a weason ok?! It's nuffing personal.....



Of course they treat you differently, you are their peer or at least thats how they see you...so yes they are probably nice to you and you probably even have some cop friends. Unfortunately Iam not firefighter or ambulance driver so i get treated like a scum criminal biker just because i "look" suspect....




What would you have happen with these "dickheads"? Maybe just rid the nation of police and just let crims take over eh? Or just let people drive however the fuck they like all over the roads...?



Never said anything like that, i just dont like the way iam spoken to when i get pulled over...i NEVER said, get rid of police or anything like that!





You realise they are required to deal with the traffic offenses right? Of-course there's other things they'd rather be doing. But they would'nt be fulfilling their job description if they ignored people breaking the law in front of them, and if they did i'm sure you'd have a big spit of the dummy and cry over that too....."I saw a guy speeding and this cop did'nt do anything..." waaa waaa. Just because your country is full of corruption that does'nt mean our cops should be so busy with corruption they do'nt have time for enforcing the "meaningless traffic regulations...."

Would you enjoy a drink/speeding driver to wipe out your family? Think about that. Yes a lot of the tickets that are issued at times I agree are pretty unneccessary. That hardly makes them wankers or dickheads. What job do you have? I bet there is plenty of absolute fucken cocks in that trade.......that does'nt mean i'd tar you all with the same brush....

I would'nt even call you a dickhead just yet, just mis-guided.

Well if they dont like being traffic cops Iam sure there are plenty of other more important jobs they could be doing, but it seems to me that some of them actualy enjoy being traffic cops and exerting their powers on public instead of actualy helping where they are needed.
Also of course i dont want some dickhead driver hitting my friends and family...BUT i also dont want this "dickhead driver" getting ticket for 111km/h on empty open road (some discretion would be nice still) or even worse i dont want this dickhead driver to hit my family because he was running away from cops because he was afraid of another ticket/loss of licence (yes, its still their responsibility to realize that the driver is not going to stop)

Also i work in telecommunications (IT) so trust me i do come accross some dickheads in my line of work too...but iam not paid to lead by example or to provide public service (job..whatever) from taxpayers money

[miloking]

Enjoy!!!:2thumbsup

Enjoy what?

[Littleman]

**removed duplicate post**

You just have to work on that sp.. sp.. speech impediment.

[miloking]

You just have to work on that sp.. sp.. speech impediment.

You just need to get fu...fu fucked! Seriously whats it with this trolling...got nothing intelligent to say, keep quiet!

[blackdog]

...got nothing intelligent to say, keep quiet!

oh god.......the irony.......make it stop

[miloking]

oh god.......the irony.......make it stop

is this a double irony or what?

[Swoop]

You just have to work on that sp.. sp.. speech impediment.
There is a glitch with KB that is making double posts quite common. Also, repeating the last word in the top line of a post will be noticed around here.
The marvels of computers, huh?:scratch:

[MSTRS]

There is a glitch with KB ... computers, huh?:scratch:

I've noticed tthat too.
There's a particularly strange one that causes someone to type the words "I have been pulled up heaps and only ever been given a warning. The last time I got pinged at over 150kph and the guy just shook his head and said to keep it down a bit" ... but when the server puts that post up on the screen it somehow becomes "All cops are cunts."

Go figure...

[Pixie]

They are recruiting arseholes:
Case 1 - overheard between 2 mechanics in a bike dealership -
" How's that application to join the police going?"
" They didn't like my 5 driving while disqualified convictions,but they said if I stayed clean for 18 months I will reapply successfully"

T'was a time contempt of court was a definate "no way Jose" for a police applicant.

[Ronin]

Also of course i dont want some dickhead driver hitting my friends and family...BUT i also dont want this "dickhead driver" getting ticket for 111km/h on empty open road (some discretion would be nice still)

What if the driver was only found to be drunk when he was pulled up for doing 111?

You also might want to consider how much your attitude contributes to how the Police treat you because based on reading your posts, I would be inclined to baton you on the spot and consider it a public service.

[Muppet]

I reckon the people criticising police should spend a week being one. Personally I think Kitt Wyatt is shitty cos he applied to join the police and was refused on the grounds he rode a Triumph since they're not real motorbikes.

[Ixion]

What if the driver was only found to be drunk when he was pulled up for doing 111?

You also might want to consider how much your attitude contributes to how the Police treat you because based on reading your posts, I would be inclined to baton you on the spot and consider it a public service.

So , it's OK to drive drunk so long as you keep under 100 kph? Or are you arguing (as you appear to be) that EVERY driver exceeding 110kph is drunk?

[Pixie]

So , it's OK to drive drunk so long as you keep under 100 kph? Or are you arguing (as you appear to be) that EVERY driver exceeding 110kph is drunk?

Drunk with POWAAH

[Pixie]

Would you enjoy a drink/speeding driver to wipe out your family? Think about that.

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit

[Ronin]

I was implying that there must be a fair percentage of greater infringments found when people are pulled over for speeding.

[pritch]

Firefighter wrote: "Maybe just rid the nation of police and just let crims take over eh? "

Nah, I don't like that idea.

I'd have to carry my gun everywhere, it's a big gun and it'd get heavy after a while... :whistle:

[scooute]

You just need to get fu...fu fucked! Seriously whats it with this trolling...got nothing intelligent to say, keep quiet!

Can you not see that lil' carrot dangling from a line infront of you? :Pokey: they are baiting you and you are entertaining the rest of us!!! (thankyou) :rofl: If the argument really means that much to you then heaven forbid... get into politics there are lots of people to disagree with there (maybe you could even make our roads safer for us?) Firefighter is IMO pointing out the broad generalisations that some make... we could all sit here and moan!? or get on our bikes and do our bit to change it! :ride:
Ride safe all:scooter:

[firefighter]

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit

The statistical likelyhood of accidents caused by speed was'nt in any way discussed, and if anything I agree with the inattentive driver bit.....for the sake of argument however i'm pretty sure the stats do show that the majority of crashes are speed related, whether it be from inattention mixed with speed is another matter. Either way it's off the topic from what I was discussing, and my point was missed by you.

The point I was getting at was to do with the fact that although there are worse crimes being committed, enforcing the road rules is equally important. The mere fact that I even mentioned speed was purely an example, as was drink driving.....fuck did you even read the post?

And no, I am in no way under some spell from the NZTA, I never once said that people driving at the speed limit are safe drivers, in fact that whole notion gives me the shits. Fallen for bullshit? that's your wrong presumption, I think it is you who is guilty of falling for your own.

[firefighter]

also they dont get paid mininum wage! (very far from it actualy, ask some people at McDonnalds or some gas station if they would like to start on 42K+)

MacDonalds and a Gas station! Bwahahahaha! That's schoolboy jobs. Do'nt compare professions with jobs kids do! And for their hours they do, it really is minimum wage....42k i'm pretty sure is the new average.......(I was'nt literally meaning minimum/let's call it minimal)


They are recruiting arseholes:
Case 1 - overheard between 2 mechanics in a bike dealership -
" How's that application to join the police going?"
" They didn't like my 5 driving while disqualified convictions,but they said if I stayed clean for 18 months I will reapply successfully"

T'was a time contempt of court was a definate "no way Jose" for a police applicant.

It still is no-way Jose'. I'd say that guy was full of shit. He can re-apply for sure, but i'd put money on it he did'nt get any further.

I have mates who did'nt get accepted (recently) and they're firefighters for far less than that. (One conviction/loss of licence by demerits).

[rastuscat]

Your family is actually more likely to be wiped out by an inattentive driver.
Unfortunately inattentive drivers don't fit in with the GER model,so they will never be targeted for enforcement.
More unfortunately you like most kiwis have fallen for NZTA's bullshit


Sorry to rain on your parade, but the guys I work with target inattentive drivers all the time.

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. Speed needs to be dealt with, but there are enough cops already doing it, so we deal with the things that distracted drivers do.

So there.

[Ixion]

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. So there.

Absolutely first class. And I bet every single person on this site (including the OP) will applaud that approach. Any chance you could get a transfer to Auckland, we don't see any of that up here.

[avgas]

See attachment..............

[Muppet]

Also of course i dont want some dickhead driver hitting my friends and family...BUT i also dont want this "dickhead driver" getting ticket for 111km/h on empty open road (some discretion would be nice still) or even worse i dont want this dickhead driver to hit my family because he was running away from cops because he was afraid of another ticket/loss of licence (yes, its still their responsibility to realize that the driver is not going to stop)

Also i work in telecommunications (IT) so trust me i do come accross some dickheads in my line of work too...but iam not paid to lead by example or to provide public service (job..whatever) from taxpayers money

1. Everything said before 'BUT' is bullshit.

2. You work in IT? Now I'm going to vent my anger at you, why does it take 2 days to get through to Slingshot please? Why does my computer decide to throw a tantrum and refuse to work sometimes?

3. Telecommunicatiions you say? That's a really big word what do you actually do?

4. Are you one of those pricks responsible for the XT network crashing ten times? I want answers since I'll bet I'm paying your wages, directly or indirectly (this is great fun!). Do you actually fix computers or are you just one of those data entry hacks?

[Maha]

I was implying that there must be a fair percentage of greater infringments found when people are pulled over for speeding.

I just get my people onto it and they sort it out.

The dude that rights the ticket is just they in middle man, it doesn't stop there with him at all.
Those that get a speeding ticket (I find) in general, bitch and moan about it.
The way I see it, you have two options.
Pay and shut the fuck up or....
Write in and explain the ticket writers Boss why you think you shouldn't have to pay.

It really works!
The idots that write the tickets out are only (in thier own little world) doing a job.
They dont really care what happens when the ink dries.

[scumdog]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the guys I work with target inattentive drivers all the time.

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. Speed needs to be dealt with, but there are enough cops already doing it, so we deal with the things that distracted drivers do.

So there.

And when you do pull over an inattentive driver they're often worse than a speeder for defending/justifying their driving style.

"I almost stopped'
"Only my right hand wheels went over the yellow line"
"Everybody cuts that corner"
"He didn't have to brake hard so you can't really say I didn't give way and pulled out on front of him"
"What d'ya expect me to do? stop at the sign and hold everybody up?"
"Why aren't you out on the road catching all those speeders on my street instead of pulling me up?"

You wouldn't believe their stories - and neither do I........

[SPman]

Trouble is, lots more warnings meant lots more people failing to get the message, and thus more deaths. In 1973 more than 800 died. We all loved the cops because they gave warnings, but more died.
So - you are equating vehicle standards of 1973 with vehicle standards of 2010. Don't say that the road toll dropped because of heavier traffic enforcement, because that's a load of crap! The predominant reason for the drop in the road toll since 1973 is the vast improvement in vehicle technology, drivability and, to an extent, better roads and road environments. If vehicle standards were still at HQ Holden, Morris Marina, etc levels, the road toll would probably be rather higher than in 1973.
Relying on heavy handed, authoritarian policing and overly restrictive legislation in lieu of constructive education, better driving and attitude training and legislation that reflects that, will, at best, barely maintain the road toll where it is, whilst alienating a large section of the population that would be probably be more supportive of police efforts to effectively target those who are loose cannons on the road.

[SPman]

And when you do pull over an inattentive driver they're often worse than a speeder for defending/justifying their driving style.

"I almost stopped'
.
Would he accept "I almost didn't hit you....."?

[Mom]

Absolutely first class. And I bet every single person on this site (including the OP) will applaud that approach. Any chance you could get a transfer to Auckland, we don't see any of that up here.

Hey you, we will have him up here in Hazard County thanks. I agree with your post, that is what we expect from our transport cops. I have had 2 speeding tickets in my life. Both of them issued by complete and utter wankers. Both of which I deserved though so meh.

[miloking]

1. Everything said before 'BUT' is bullshit.

2. You work in IT? Now I'm going to vent my anger at you, why does it take 2 days to get through to Slingshot please? Why does my computer decide to throw a tantrum and refuse to work sometimes?

3. Telecommunicatiions you say? That's a really big word what do you actually do?

4. Are you one of those pricks responsible for the XT network crashing ten times? I want answers since I'll bet I'm paying your wages, directly or indirectly (this is great fun!). Do you actually fix computers or are you just one of those data entry hacks?

1) not it isnt! Why would i want my family hit by speeding driver that doesnt make sense...(or didnt you mean after..not "before")
2) because they pay peanuts to call centre monkeys who dont give a fuck about your problems (and probably dont even know where NZ is) and second question should be directed to Bill Gates probably...
3) network security
4) not responsible for XT crashing personaly (i dont work for Alcatel Lucent who built the damn thing), also what is data entry hack? :D
also trust me you are not paying my wages (especialy if you are slingshot customer), however we all pay cops wages so some manners would be nice for OUR taxes...(ohh it is great fun isnt it :msn-wink:)

[phill-k]

some people must spend hours writing some of the drivel on here just for our on going amusement, what really bothers me though is afterwards we then share the roads with them:innocent:

[Pixie]

The statistical likelyhood of accidents caused by speed was'nt in any way discussed, and if anything I agree with the inattentive driver bit.....for the sake of argument however i'm pretty sure the stats do show that the majority of crashes are speed related,

Make the stats fit the model and you keep your funding/job as a consultant/ ability to fly around the world telling every country including Sweden that they should follow the NZ way of road policing because it works so well.

[Skinon]

Yeah, what a surprise and so original.

Someone wind the record player up and put the same old tune on, did they?

Yea exactly this tune is getting played far too often because of the public servents shithouse attitude. Sure you gotta deal with wankers all the time, but then you'd think that when a decent polite person comes along you would think 'finally someone nice maybe ill let them slide a lil bit coz they have just popped into town and left their license at home in there jacket but everything checks out fine' (which happened to my ma the other night and the stupid bitch pig gave her a ticket) But alot of the time you assholes think that your some sorta figure that i should respect and worship, when infact i laugh at you because i know my parents would disown me if i ever became one. So i wonder what your extended family and friends secretly think about you guys huh?

Anyway the point is most peoples (normal people not retarded fucken SHEEPLE) attitudes towards the police are governed by there past experiences with them. I admit i have had times when they overlook certain things which arent a big deal, and they are fine, they are probably more interested in getting rapist and murderers etc off the street then issuing a ticket because someone genuinely forgot their license. And for all the traffic cops on here, how come you dont pull over people who dont indicate, people who dont giveway, and assholes that are doin 20kmh under the posted limit? Queenstown pigs are the fucken WORST for this, they would be able to hit there quota in a day if they did that.

Anyway if for some fucken stupid reason you decide to become part of nz's biggest gang, then you need to expect to be dealing with general wankers all over nz, because face it. Fuck all people like you.

[miloking]

some people must spend hours writing some of the drivel on here just for our on going amusement, what really bothers me though is afterwards we then share the roads with them:innocent:

As much as i agree with you...i think you guys need to get new word, because this "drivel this" "drivel that" is getting bit old. (especialy if its used as substitute for intelligent response)
Also Sesame street is a good program for you guys to watch to learn some new words.

[imdying]

Must be a North Island thing, the cops down here are fine, and it's more often than not that you get sent on your way without a ticket.

[Maha]

And when you do pull over an inattentive driver they're often worse than a speeder for defending/justifying their driving style.

"I almost stopped'
"Only my right hand wheels went over the yellow line"
"Everybody cuts that corner"
"He didn't have to brake hard so you can't really say I didn't give way and pulled out on front of him"
"What d'ya expect me to do? stop at the sign and hold everybody up?"
"Why aren't you out on the road catching all those speeders on my street instead of pulling me up?"

You wouldn't believe their stories - and neither do I........

The cop that wrote me up a few weeks didn't want to know my story (well he did, they always ask eh?) but it never enters the equation. His superiors listen to what I had to say though, and let me off. Like I said earlier, it doesn't stop with the ticket, thats just the begining if you give a shit. Most will just complain about it and how all cops are wankers bla bla. They are just doing their job but the ticket writer expects you not to do anything about it, except pay.

[phill-k]

As much as i agree with you...i think you guys need to get new word, because this "drivel this" "drivel that" is getting bit old. (especialy if its used as substitute for intelligent response)
Also Sesame street is a good program for you guys to watch to learn some new words.

My apologies for the use of such an “out of date” word when acknowledging your contribution to this enlightened discussion on KB. Please excuse me in addressing your self-opinionated factually challenged dialog to which your claimed knowledge obviously exceeds your experiences in this way. There is that better, anyway whilst you pontificate on at least our roads remain safer.:Punk:

[R-Soul]

Hey, look, I don't hate cops, but I do believe they are public servants, and that they are there to serve the public and to keep the public safe. They are obligated to us, the public, to greet us and speak to us in a civil manner no matter what the instance is. I am always courteous and polite, and this never deserves, even if I was rude, a response of arrogance and rude behavior.
The police owe it to us, by right, to explain first the reasoning for the meeting, what apparent offence has been alleged, and to ask us for our response and explanation. Education should be paramount over infringement. Lives depend on it.
Also, I don't accept poor recruitment selection/ practice, they should be trained customer service and manners if it is so that there parents dragged them up instead of bringing them up.......
As far as real policing, sorry traffic police don't do real policing, real police solve crime and protect the public from violent offenders and criminals. Traffic police gather revenue for the crown by fulfilling their quota's and harassing those on the roads. They specifically target stereo types, and vehicles of interest.... This by the way is really a form of discrimination..... owh heres a sports bike, must be a law breaker..... or there's a patch, he must have drugs......

My respect goes to real cops, who catch real criminals, traffic police don't even make 20% of what the MOT were.... Bring back black and whites. Everywhere else has a separate specialist force....

Mate, wait until you have to try triding around amongst people in society with little to no vehicle training, a false license, no insurance, an unroadworthy car, who dont give a fuck, and speed anyway, and then tell me again how important good traffic cops are. The law sets standards, and the cops are there to enforce them. Thank fuck. Thats the only reason why I have a bike here at all - because the laws are actually enforced. There is no way on Earth I would have a bike in Johannesburg.

Or the next time you are involved in a scrw up on the harbour bridge, or you are sitting in a massive jam because of anothers screw up. then you can tell us again how useless the traffic cops are.

[Kickaha]

And for all the traffic cops on here, how come you dont pull over people who dont indicate, people who dont giveway, and assholes that are doin 20kmh under the posted limit?

How do you know that they don't?

[slofox]

If I was a traffic copper, I could fill my quota real easy by policing one compulsory stop here in the Tron...Corner of Willoughby Street and Abbotsford Street. As far as I can tell, I am the only road user in the entire Tron who bothers to stop there...

Course if I was to go straight on through like everybody else I'd get caught I fucking BET!

[Ronin]

I see on tonights news that central districts police are taking to hiding in the bushes with video cameras to catch bad drivers. Would the police are cunts and don't chase bad drivers team care to comment?

[miloking]

I see on tonights news that central districts police are taking to hiding in the bushes with video cameras to catch bad drivers. Would the police are cunts and don't chase bad drivers team care to comment?

Its a very good start, will see how that works out....they still need to work on their attitude when talking to public and definately need to work on pursuit policies (but thats another discussion)

[scumdog]

Must be a North Island thing, the cops down here are fine, and it's more often than not that you get sent on your way without a ticket.

Ah shuddup ya silly prick, them norveners will flock down here and I'l have to put on me 'grumpy rozzer dishing out tickets' act!

[scumdog]

But alot of the time you assholes think that your some sorta figure that i should respect and worship, when infact i laugh at you because i know my parents would disown me if i ever became one. So i wonder what your extended family and friends secretly think about you guys huh?
And for all the traffic cops on here, how come you dont pull over people who dont indicate, people who dont giveway, and assholes that are doin 20kmh under the posted limit? Queenstown pigs are the fucken WORST for this, they would be able to hit there quota in a day if they did that.

Anyway if for some fucken stupid reason you decide to become part of nz's biggest gang, then you need to expect to be dealing with general wankers all over nz, because face it. Fuck all people like you.

Well, goodness me, what could I say about THAT lot!!???
:laugh::rofl::killingme:rolleyes:

[peasea]

Ah shuddup ya silly prick, them norveners will flock down here and I'l have to put on me 'grumpy rozzer dishing out tickets' act!

Act? What act?

[peasea]

some people must spend hours writing some of the drivel on here just for our on going amusement, what really bothers me though is afterwards we then share the roads with them:innocent:

And some of them do u-turns in front of you or give you a ticket. (Then do a u-turn in front of you!)

[peasea]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but the guys I work with target inattentive drivers all the time.

Inattention causes people to not stop at stop signs, fail to keep left on bends, and fail to give way at intersections, amongst other things. All of these things are what we target every day. My guys (and girls) don't focus on speed, we focus on the other things that lead to crashes. Speed needs to be dealt with, but there are enough cops already doing it, so we deal with the things that distracted drivers do.

So there.

I'd say 'bullshit' but you seem genuine, so good on ya. Pity there aren't more like you. It all sounds like positive policing, a very rare thing in this age.

[Footless]

At the end of the day Police arent what they were 20-30 years ago, they seem to operate on a zero tolerance attitude.
Of course this then gets a zero assistance attitude from the public.
Police and traffic enforcement should never have been combined, but it has, and that is what has caused the problem of poor public relations with the police, and why we see people being prosecuted for failing to assist an officer if he is getting the crap kicked out of him on the side of the road.
The system is the system and only the law makers can change it.
The police know this is not a good system, and that the public support for them is falling. Maybe this is why so many seem to have an attitude towards everyone.
Who knows....
but thats just how it is

[scumdog]

Police and traffic enforcement should never have been combined, but it has, and that is what has caused the problem of poor public relations with the police, and why we see people being prosecuted for failing to assist an officer if he is getting the crap kicked out of him on the side of the road.


It's not just the cops - don't depend on anybody helping YOU (except for aforementioned cops) if you're getting 'the crap kicked out of you at the side of the road, it's a sign of the times and of the way NZ society has gone.

[Rogue Rider]

LoL, I feel sorry for straight cops, there are just so many gay mf's in there that don't do the job for "building safer communities" but rather to "always blow on the pie" sounds like the advice you get, if you get any at all these days, isn't worth the toilet paper it's written on.
The only thing positive about the traffic division is..................................... nope can't think of anything.....

[Footless]

It's not just the cops - don't depend on anybody helping YOU (except for aforementioned cops) if you're getting 'the crap kicked out of you at the side of the road, it's a sign of the times and of the way NZ society has gone.

I wont be depending on anybody helping ME, I avoid those situations, now Im a little older and no longer training.
Yes it is a sign of the times, and aforementioned cops will sit around the corner waiting for backup, cause bodyarmour and PR24's are no longer enough

[avgas]

Fucking motorcyclists.
Bunch of know it all wankers.

[mikeey01]

lol, dam this thread is funny :rofl:

If you give them respect, often that's what you get in return.
Disrespect them on the other hand, you get the picture.

They've got a shite job dealing with orroble peeps at times.

[rastuscat]

Police and traffic enforcement should never have been combined, but it has, and that is what has caused the problem of poor public relations with the police, and why we see people being prosecuted for failing to assist an officer if he is getting the crap kicked out of him on the side of the road.
The police know this is not a good system, and that the public support for them is falling.


Ah, THAT old chestnut. "People are losing respect for Police because Police do traffic enforcement."

Let's see. Arthuer Alan Thomas. David Bain. Scott Watson. Louise Nicholas. Two men spending 9 months in prison on a false arson conviction. David Dougherty. Iraena Asher. Email porn. Etc, etc.

And you're telling me it's the traffic cops who are bringing the Police down?

Yeah right.

[peasea]

lol, dam this thread is funny :rofl:

If you give them respect, often that's what you get in return.
Disrespect them on the other hand, you get the picture.

They've got a shite job dealing with orroble peeps at times.

A job that they chose. Like moving next door to an airport and complaining about the noise. People know what to expect when they join up so they shouldn't moan when people give them shit. Right or wrong it goes with the territory.

[peasea]

Ah, THAT old chestnut. "People are losing respect for Police because Police do traffic enforcement."

Let's see. Arthuer Alan Thomas. David Bain. Scott Watson. Louise Nicholas. Two men spending 9 months in prison on a false arson conviction. David Dougherty. Iraena Asher. Email porn. Etc, etc.

And you're telling me it's the traffic cops who are bringing the Police down?

Yeah right.

The rot set in well before the MOT and police were combined but the merger didn't help. Poor leadership doesn't help either.

[avgas]

The rot set in well before the MOT and police were combined but the merger didn't help. Poor leadership doesn't help either.
Yes but that rot has fucked the country for a good 100 or so years.
It didn't help the fact that we were copying the most rotten country in the world (UK) and comparing ourselves to a prison outpost (Aus).
To complain about it now seems almost irrelevant.

Of course the alternative is not much better. A genuine corrupt police force who kill & maim those who break the law.

So either way we lose.
May as well deal with the devil we know.

[R-Soul]

Jeez you guys dont know how good you have it. Your cops are by FAR not a corrupt force. And by FAR actually do care.

It seems like some of you just want to highlight the exception as the rule. Maybe to justify bad behaviour, or maybe because you have a chip on your shoulder (or perhaps a genuine reason to be worried).

Perhaps you all WANT to live in the wild west? No rules?

Be careful what you wish for....

As a society, we put the cops there through the elected government in order to keep accpetable levels of behaviour as the norm. So that we can all go about our daily business in relative safety (in traffic and otherwise). The cops are doing what we have asked them to do.

think about it this way: If every other c#$t pulled out and drove on the wrong side of the road at will when they felt like it because they have little to no respect for teh law (hey you would be surprised at how often it happens in the wild west), it would no longer be viable to even ride a bike.

[Ixion]

Ah, THAT old chestnut. "People are losing respect for Police because Police do traffic enforcement."

Let's see. Arthuer Alan Thomas. David Bain. Scott Watson. Louise Nicholas. Two men spending 9 months in prison on a false arson conviction. David Dougherty. Iraena Asher. Email porn. Etc, etc.

And you're telling me it's the traffic cops who are bringing the Police down?

Yeah right.

But is it not possible (indeed likely) that people are morer willing to condemn the police as a whole for the derelictions of the non-traffic department, because they are riled by encounters with the traffic cops? If Joe Q Public, that deep and incisive thinker, got a speeding ticket yeaterday, and today reads of some scandal in the force, his reaction to the scandal is conditioned by the resentment of the speeding ticket.

When I was young, before the merger, I doubt that the recent scandals would have gained so much traction. The police , for almost everyone, were a distant and Olympian body, very highly respected. People would have been very reluctant to criticise them, let alone condemn. The traffic cops , on the other hand (the worst ones were not MoT actually), were universally hated. We would have believed anything bad of them (Though actually I quite respected the local bikie cop, he was a good cunt) .

I was told when a lad "If ever you are in trouble , find a policeman". I can't imagine many parents giving children that advice nowadays.

The reality is that traffic enforcement is always going to be unpopular. And having a separate force meant that the unpopularity would not "leak over" to the general duties police.

[Ronin]

I was told when a lad "If ever you are in trouble , find a policeman". I can't imagine many parents giving children that advice nowadays.



Why ever not?

[miloking]

Why ever not?

Because they would rape them with the whiskey bottle(remember that one? What a f'd up case that was...)
....no realy because they would turn up 3 days later and said there is nothing they can do about it as its not a police responsibility. (last time my house got burgled and my car broken into)

[Ronin]

Because they would rape them with the whiskey bottle(remember that one? What a f'd up case that was...)
....no realy because they would turn up 3 days later and said there is nothing they can do about it as its not a police responsibility. (last time my house got burgled and my car broken into)

You really in quite a sad deluded world if you honestly think that a kid in trouble would be ignored by the Police. Remind me again why you moved here?

[SPman]

The reality is that traffic enforcement is always going to be unpopular. And having a separate force meant that the unpopularity would not "leak over" to the general duties police. I blame Muldoon!
For everything!

[miloking]

You really in quite a sad deluded world if you honestly think that a kid in trouble would be ignored by the Police. Remind me again why you moved here?

All jokes aside, are you seriously telling me that you've never heard of someone who had house or car broken into and was told by police over the phone that they "dont have time" to attend to this the same day?! And if nobody was injured there is not point of them turning up...
Well i did (actualy saw the burglar running out of our house) and i've had few friends with similar experience...so dont tell me i live in deluded world because that actualy happened!
But maybe its because i was over 18 right???
Whatever you say, police are useless, never helped me with anything and i dont expect anything from them ever (but to cause me trouble).

I moved here because i thought that the exact same bullshit that happens in Europe doesnt happen here...i was WRONG.

[Kickaha]

I moved here because i thought that the exact same bullshit that happens in Europe doesnt happen here...i was WRONG.

looks like a wasted trip, you may as well fuck off back home then :bleh:

[Ronin]

All jokes aside, are you seriously telling me that you've never heard of someone who had house or car broken into and was told by police over the phone that they "dont have time" to attend to this the same day?! And if nobody was injured there is not point of them turning up...
Well i did (actualy saw the burglar running out of our house) and i've had few friends with similar experience...so dont tell me i live in deluded world because that actualy happened!
But maybe its because i was over 18 right???
Whatever you say, police are useless, never helped me with anything and i dont expect anything from them ever (but to cause me trouble).

I moved here because i thought that the exact same bullshit that happens in Europe doesnt happen here...i was WRONG.

We were talking about kids and I cannot imagine my 11 year old being told to fuck off by a cop, even an asshole one.

I'm not denying the police didn't have time to look at your burglary, under funded, under staffed with zero chance of catching the perps. I can even understand why it fucks you off and sympathise with you.

[R-Soul]

All jokes aside, are you seriously telling me that you've never heard of someone who had house or car broken into and was told by police over the phone that they "dont have time" to attend to this the same day?! And if nobody was injured there is not point of them turning up...
Well i did (actualy saw the burglar running out of our house) and i've had few friends with similar experience...so dont tell me i live in deluded world because that actualy happened!
But maybe its because i was over 18 right???
Whatever you say, police are useless, never helped me with anything and i dont expect anything from them ever (but to cause me trouble).

I moved here because i thought that the exact same bullshit that happens in Europe doesnt happen here...i was WRONG.

Where I am from, the cops ask if you want them to come around at all, or if you just want a case number for insurance purposes. I was genuinely asked this after being burgled. Nobody even expects them to investigate it at all.

And to be fair, the 200 other murder cases on their pile should probably take priority...

[rastuscat]

Hmmm. Just a few thoughts.

Cops love catching criminals. I'm not talking about the traffic people, that's another issue. Generally, cops are in the job to catch criminals. Lots, if asked why they joined, will say it was to catch crooks.

Jobs that police have to attend with very little chance of catching the criminal are treated as an administrative thing. To the attending cop the job is basically only worth recording for stats and insurance purposes. That's not to demean the effect on the victim, but it can cause the cops to have little interest in your job, as there is little chance of catching the bad guy.

It just might be the only time you ask the police for help, but if the cop who attends (or not) has spent the last 3 years dealing with jobs where he fills out 6 pages of report that don't get the crook in jail, maybe you'll understand his reluctance to fill out just one more 6 page report.

Again, this is not to demean the effect on the victim, who likely feels revictimised, as the police don't catch their offender, find their TV, recover their car.

It's not easy being a cop.

[Ixion]

Hmm. A few thoughts in return.

A dispassionate observer from Andromeda might ask; if the 6 page reports don't catch crooks, is there any point in filling them in ?

And if the job is worth recording only for insurance and statistical purposes , perhaps the insurance companies should be tasked with collecting such information as is useful to anyone (which may be none ?). Which would at least free up cops' time . Whether that would result in more crooks being locked up, or merely in more donuts being eaten, I do not know.

Perhaps , if burglary, car conversion etc have fallen so far off the police radar (the simple ones, anyway), maybe it is time to reconsider them completely, and hand some of that over to private security forces. Reduced taxes, and you use the tax saving to pay the security company. I don't like that idea myself, but I can see logic in it (and some very major dangers, too).

[rastuscat]

Ix, have PM'd you.

[imdying]

All jokes aside, are you seriously telling me that you've never heard of someone who had house or car broken into and was told by police over the phone that they "dont have time" to attend to this the same day?! And if nobody was injured there is not point of them turning up...
Well i did (actualy saw the burglar running out of our house) and i've had few friends with similar experience...so dont tell me i live in deluded world because that actualy happened!
But maybe its because i was over 18 right.........Blah blah blah, you can't change the argument with a strawman just because you're losing :no:

[R-Soul]

Hmm. A few thoughts in return.

A dispassionate observer from Andromeda might ask; if the 6 page reports don't catch crooks, is there any point in filling them in ?

And if the job is worth recording only for insurance and statistical purposes , perhaps the insurance companies should be tasked with collecting such information as is useful to anyone (which may be none ?). Which would at least free up cops' time . Whether that would result in more crooks being locked up, or merely in more donuts being eaten, I do not know.

Perhaps , if burglary, car conversion etc have fallen so far off the police radar (the simple ones, anyway), maybe it is time to reconsider them completely, and hand some of that over to private security forces. Reduced taxes, and you use the tax saving to pay the security company. I don't like that idea myself, but I can see logic in it (and some very major dangers, too).

In SA the police innefectiveness is now so bad that private persons have resorted to private security for ALL security. Laughably (or sadly) even the police have been known to hire private security firms to guard their police stations....

But no reduced taxes though...

Interestingly enough, the government gets VAT (SA's answer to GST) on all goods replaced by insurance companies. They make a klilling out of crime. That explains the lack of political willpower to tackle the ridiculous situation...

[blackdog]

Lots, if asked why they joined, will say it was to catch crooks.

.

or, if scumbag is to be believed, they only join to drive commodores..........

[miloking]

Blah blah blah, you can't change the argument with a strawman just because you're losing :no:

Lol, i didnt think this argument is about winnning or loosing....having useless police force on the other hand means we are ALL loosing!
Just goes to show how you think...like a give a fuck if i win or loose some argument, i would rather loose all arguments for rest of my life if we didnt have to have sneaky,spying,lying cops that claim every nasty shit they do is in a name of "safety"

BTW this new initiative of "hidden cameras" reminds me of how communists decided to have police do the same thing back in 80's in my country, of course it was all for "safety" but everybody knew actual reasons were different....shame that same tactics got here 30 years later.
Well fingers crossed, call me naive maybe it is for safety here....

[imdying]

You're doing it again :no:

[avgas]

I moved here because i thought that the exact same bullshit that happens in Europe doesnt happen here...i was WRONG.
Yes you were. Move to South America - I hear its different there.

[Ronin]

Lol, i didnt think this argument is about winnning or loosing....having useless police force on the other hand means we are ALL loosing!
Just goes to show how you think...like a give a fuck if i win or loose some argument, i would rather loose all arguments for rest of my life if we didnt have to have sneaky,spying,lying cops that claim every nasty shit they do is in a name of "safety"

BTW this new initiative of "hidden cameras" reminds me of how communists decided to have police do the same thing back in 80's in my country, of course it was all for "safety" but everybody knew actual reasons were different....shame that same tactics got here 30 years later.
Well fingers crossed, call me naive maybe it is for safety here....

ok, your naive. Lets face it, you will be unhappy wherever you live.

[miloking]

ok, your naive. Lets face it, you will be unhappy wherever you live.

Maybe you are right...maybe i am the problem.

only wish there was some kind of "educational" camp for people like me that have problem with authority...

[Ronin]

Sure is a might big chip you have on your shoulder there

[Smifffy]

or, if scumbag is to be believed, they only join to drive commodores..........

I'm pretty sure it was someone else that said that, although iirc it was he who explained why they use em instead of camrys/mondeos/prius etc.

[rastuscat]

Maybe you are right...maybe i am the problem.

only wish there was some kind of "educational" camp for people like me that have problem with authority...


There is such an educational camp. It's 1.37 a.m. here, and you're welcome to come walk a mile in my size tens. My guys are out doing breath testing while I write this, and will be until maybe 4 a.m. There is no money in breath testing, maybe that shoots the revenue collecting argument in the tootsie. Grab a seat down here, come work a couple of shifts with me and my troops and see if the traffic police are as bad as you think.

Or stay sipping your chardonnay and making sniping social comment from the uninformed sidelines.

So there.

[red mermaid]

Why do people always have to led to educational camps, and education generally?

I'm sure there is plenty out there if they just looked, or is it all to easy to be a key board hero and just moan about something they know very little about?

[MSTRS]

only wish there was some kind of "educational" camp for people like me that have problem with authority...

There's plenty of them dotted about the place. Not as many as there used to be, mind. They are called 'prisons'.
They are very effective as places of 'education'...

[Littleman]

Maybe you are right...maybe i am the problem.

only wish there was some kind of "educational" camp for people like me that have problem with authority...

Okay, I'll say it.

Prison.

[imdying]

There is such an educational camp. It's 1.37 a.m. here, and you're welcome to come walk a mile in my size tens. My guys are out doing breath testing while I write this, and will be until maybe 4 a.m. There is no money in breath testing, maybe that shoots the revenue collecting argument in the tootsie. Grab a seat down here, come work a couple of shifts with me and my troops and see if the traffic police are as bad as you think.If he won't, I'd be keen... I've always wondered if the job is as shitty as the shows like Ten Seven make out. Can't all be wife bashers and underage bottle throwing pricks, surely?

[miloking]

There is such an educational camp. It's 1.37 a.m. here, and you're welcome to come walk a mile in my size tens. My guys are out doing breath testing while I write this, and will be until maybe 4 a.m. There is no money in breath testing, maybe that shoots the revenue collecting argument in the tootsie. Grab a seat down here, come work a couple of shifts with me and my troops and see if the traffic police are as bad as you think.

Or stay sipping your chardonnay and making sniping social comment from the uninformed sidelines.

So there.
You mean the "ride along" thing? Yeah i'd be keen...or is it actual place where you guys practice breath testing :D

[miloking]

Okay, I'll say it.

Prison.

Yep, if someone doesnt belong to the "i love police" category, best option is to send them to prisons....

[idb]

Car chases have never been the same since cars stopped being fitted with hubcaps and random piles of cardboard boxes are no longer left on the side of the street.

[rastuscat]

Car chases have never been the same since cars stopped being fitted with hubcaps and random piles of cardboard boxes are no longer left on the side of the street.

These days we have to carry a small supply of hub caps to throw out at sharp turns just to maintain authenticity. We wanted to get fire hydrants installed all over town to add to the authenticity of the pursuits, but the RMA got in the way.

It's hard to do when you are singled up in a car, along with having to drive and commentate on the chase. You throw the cap with your left arm out the appropriate rear window. Far easier in a car with two cops, one to drive, another to commentate and add authenticity.

So there.

[Blackshear]

Not to suck off my own horn, but I've been pulled over 5 times (One was for suspicious u-turns after looking in my rear view), but only ticketed once.
One said he was gonna give a ticket, and boy was it gonna be a whopper, but I was lucky that he was such a kind-hearted soul. Likewise for the other two, I even got told to get my chain tightened, and who'd do it for free!
Oddly, the only one who didn't give a ticket didn't like bikes, nor rode one :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

There is such an educational camp. It's 1.37 a.m. here, and you're welcome to come walk a mile in my size tens. My guys are out doing breath testing while I write this, and will be until maybe 4 a.m. There is no money in breath testing, maybe that shoots the revenue collecting argument in the tootsie. Grab a seat down here, come work a couple of shifts with me and my troops and see if the traffic police are as bad as you think.

Or stay sipping your chardonnay and making sniping social comment from the uninformed sidelines.

So there.

Well The bar closes at three , so I can ride over there by say three thirty ish?

wont be much with the conversation though , I ll be off my nut.

Stephen AKA Ebenezer Goode

[scumdog]

There is such an educational camp. It's 1.37 a.m. here, and you're welcome to come walk a mile in my size tens. My guys are out doing breath testing while I write this, and will be until maybe 4 a.m. There is no money in breath testing, maybe that shoots the revenue collecting argument in the tootsie. Grab a seat down here, come work a couple of shifts with me and my troops and see if the traffic police are as bad as you think.

Or stay sipping your chardonnay and making sniping social comment from the uninformed sidelines.

So there.

You'll never convince the 'non-believers'.......and if you DID what would they whinge about???

[Owl]

and if you DID what would they whinge about???

Chocolate fish seem to be smaller than they were 30 years ago:(

[Katman]

Chocolate fish seem to be smaller than they were 30 years ago:(

Your mouth's just gotten bigger.

[Owl]

Your mouth's just gotten bigger.

Ah bollocks!

[rebyl]

You'll never convince the 'non-believers'.......and if you DID what would they whinge about???

If the Traffic Police are so professional, how come I see so many breaking the most basic of Traffic Law. I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median), why he failed to come to a complete stop at a stop sign (rolling stop), why he is parked on the broken yellow line and in so doing is obscuring the entrance to a pedestrian crossing.
Friends of mine are in the Police and so are two family members and I have a clean record...apart from a small speeding ticket about three years ago on a quiet country road...119kph so have no axe to grind with the Police. I am also ex Military Police. We had a Corp Motto which went along the lines of...By example we lead....if the boys want respect then they have to earn it, not just put on a badge. In the Army and other services you saluted the rank...not the officer, the rank, or job always needs respect, the person wearing the rank has to earn the respect. I wonder how much actual training to do with the Road Rules goes into Training these days.

[scumdog]

If the Traffic Police are so professional, how come I see so many breaking the most basic of Traffic Law. I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median), why he failed to come to a complete stop at a stop sign (rolling stop), why he is parked on the broken yellow line and in so doing is obscuring the entrance to a pedestrian crossing.
Friends of mine are in the Police and so are two family members and I have a clean record...apart from a small speeding ticket about three years ago on a quiet country road...119kph so have no axe to grind with the Police. I am also ex Military Police. We had a Corp Motto which went along the lines of...By example we lead....if the boys want respect then they have to earn it, not just put on a badge. In the Army and other services you saluted the rank...not the officer, the rank, or job always needs respect, the person wearing the rank has to earn the respect. I wonder how much actual training to do with the Road Rules goes into Training these days.

Good points, I for one drive/ride like I'm being watched and judged all the time.

Sadly some of my colleagues are less aware.....

[red mermaid]

So how do you tell the difference between general and traffic police, because they all wear the same uniform and with the exception of the Highway Patrol marked cars, all drive the same cars.



If the Traffic Police are so professional, how come I see so many breaking the most basic of Traffic Law. I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median), why he failed to come to a complete stop at a stop sign (rolling stop), why he is parked on the broken yellow line and in so doing is obscuring the entrance to a pedestrian crossing.
Friends of mine are in the Police and so are two family members and I have a clean record...apart from a small speeding ticket about three years ago on a quiet country road...119kph so have no axe to grind with the Police. I am also ex Military Police. We had a Corp Motto which went along the lines of...By example we lead....if the boys want respect then they have to earn it, not just put on a badge. In the Army and other services you saluted the rank...not the officer, the rank, or job always needs respect, the person wearing the rank has to earn the respect. I wonder how much actual training to do with the Road Rules goes into Training these days.

[miloking]

So how do you tell the difference between general and traffic police, because they all wear the same uniform and with the exception of the Highway Patrol marked cars, all drive the same cars.

Excuses, excuses...i wonder does that mean that traffic cops are great at driving but bad at all the "other" police duties then?

[red mermaid]

Not making an excuse at all.

The post talked about the bad standard of driving by police on traffic duties.

The point I was making was how do you tell the difference, because police on traffic duties may set a higher standard but find themselves let down by colleagues on other duties.

[peasea]

Good points, I for one drive/ride like I'm being watched and judged all the time.

Sadly some of my colleagues are less aware.....

Ain't that the truth.

[miloking]

Not making an excuse at all.

The post talked about the bad standard of driving by police on traffic duties.

The point I was making was how do you tell the difference, because police on traffic duties may set a higher standard but find themselves let down by colleagues on other duties.

Certainly, i can believe that...i personaly cannot tell the differences between "traffic" & "non-traffic" police (are there any?) so its ends up looking bad for all of you guys.

[Berries]

I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median),

It's you teaching all those people I get stuck behind is it ? The rule is you give way to pedestrians, once they have passed your vehicle and are walking away from you then you can move on. It is no different to giving way at an intersection. After the car has gone past you can go, you don't wait until it has reached the next intersection. I'd check that one out, as it bloody infuriates me when people do this, same as signaling right at roundabouts when going straight on.

[Ixion]

Oh dear . It seems its not just the cops that are confused.

[peasea]

It's you teaching all those people I get stuck behind is it ? The rule is you give way to pedestrians, once they have passed your vehicle and are walking away from you then you can move on. It is no different to giving way at an intersection. After the car has gone past you can go, you don't wait until it has reached the next intersection. I'd check that one out, as it bloody infuriates me when people do this, same as signaling right at roundabouts when going straight on.

I strike that shit on an almost daily basis. When are they going to video roundabouts ffs?

[peasea]

Oh dear . It seems its not just the cops that are confused.

In this (Nelson) region it seems to be anyone in a camper van is confused, closely followed by old codgers with hats. (Who are terminally confused.)

[peasea]

all of you guys.

'mermaid'.............................."guys"........:laugh:

[rastuscat]

It's you teaching all those people I get stuck behind is it ? The rule is you give way to pedestrians, once they have passed your vehicle and are walking away from you then you can move on. It is no different to giving way at an intersection. After the car has gone past you can go, you don't wait until it has reached the next intersection. I'd check that one out, as it bloody infuriates me when people do this, same as signaling right at roundabouts when going straight on.


Ah, the give way conundrum.

Way has to be given to someone when the rules dictate. Once the right of way has been exercised, it no longer exists. Any more than you have to give way to a car which has driven past the give way you have been giving way in.

So there.

[miloking]

'mermaid'.............................."guys"........:laugh:

Well i though, "he" is a guy :D ...correction then "all of you ladies"....

[rastuscat]

I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median),



Road User Rule 2004
10.1 Pedestrian crossings
(1) A driver approaching a pedestrian crossing must—
(a) give way to pedestrians, and to riders of wheeled recreational devices or mobility devices, on that pedestrian crossing; and
(b) if necessary, slow down and stop the driver’s vehicle for that purpose.

My my, and you are a Driver Trainer? Where does it say you have to remain stopped until the pedestrian who has already passed across the front of your car, has exited the crossing?

Cringe.

So there.

[peasea]

Road User Rule 2004
10.1 Pedestrian crossings
(1) A driver approaching a pedestrian crossing must—
(a) give way to pedestrians, and to riders of wheeled recreational devices or mobility devices, on that pedestrian crossing; and
(b) if necessary, slow down and stop the driver’s vehicle for that purpose.

My my, and you are a Driver Trainer? Where does it say you have to remain stopped until the pedestrian who has already passed across the front of your car, has exited the crossing?

Cringe.

So there.

So, according to (a) drivers must give way to me if I'm riding my bike over a pedestrian crossing?

[Ixion]

Ah, the give way conundrum.

Way has to be given to someone when the rules dictate. Once the right of way has been exercised, it no longer exists. Any more than you have to give way to a car which has driven past the give way you have been giving way in.

So there.

However, the Roiad Code (which, granted, has not the force of law) states


Pedestrian crossings

A pedestrian crossing is an area of road that has white stripes marked across it.
Some crossings have raised islands in the middle, creating a ‘refuge' where pedestrians can stop. These are helpful for pedestrians crossing wide, two-way roads or multi-lane roads, because they allow them to walk across one direction of traffic at a time.
As you drive towards a pedestrian crossing, you will see pedestrian crossing signs before the crossing and black and white poles at the crossing. The poles are mounted with fluorescent orange disks, or round yellow lights that flash at night. White diamonds are generally painted on the road before the crossing, and a white limit line shows you where to stop.
When coming up to pedestrian crossings:


slow down and be ready to stop for any pedestrians on, or stepping onto, the crossing
if there is no raised traffic island in the middle of the crossing, stop and give way to pedestrians on any part of the crossing
if there is a raised traffic island in the middle of the crossing, stop and give way to pedestrians on your half of the road
wait until the pedestrian has crossed in front of you and is clear of your vehicle before you proceed - see give way rules (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/the-give-way-rules.html).



Since a driving instructor is concerned to have his pupils pass the test, I think it would be wise of him to instruct them to take heed of the highlighted section

Moreover, in practical reality, one significant danger to pedestrians is the pedestrian (often elderly) who passes in front of your vehicle , then, frightened by oncoming traffic from the other direction, steps backwards. Which is an issue that does not occur with a car. In fact, there is no legal prohibition on a pedestrian crossing in front of your vehicle , spinning on his or her heel and crossing back in front of you. Or , indeed, even walking backwards! We must give way to traffic (including foot traffic) coming from all directions. Bear in mind the requirement is to give way to pedestrians ON the crossing. Not pedestrians ENTERING the crossing. I do not think you are legally entitled to make assumptions about what direction the pedestrian will take.

So I think you cannot rely on the "she has passed me so I can go". Arguably, you need to give way so long as she is within "striking distance" . If a driver were to hit and kill a "stepping back" pedestrian on a crossing I suspect the courts would, quite rightly IMHO, be most unsympathetic.

Moreover, from a human POV, users of pedestrian crossings are often either elderly, or young. We should extend a degree of courtesy and circumspection. It does no harm to wait the second or so to allow them to reach a place of safety (though 'place of safety' is probably not always synonymous with 'exited the crossing')

[peasea]

"walking backwards" chucklefest.

[scumdog]

It's you teaching all those people I get stuck behind is it ? The rule is you give way to pedestrians, once they have passed your vehicle and are walking away from you then you can move on. It is no different to giving way at an intersection. After the car has gone past you can go, you don't wait until it has reached the next intersection. I'd check that one out, as it bloody infuriates me when people do this, same as signaling right at roundabouts when going straight on.
:blink::gob::shit:

[rebyl]

Actually Berries you are totally wrong, well only part correct, if the pedestrian crossing is divided in the middle of the road by a raised median you only have to wait till they have stepped on to that part, if the pedestrian crossing has no raised median then you are obliged by law to wait until the pedestrian has completly left the crossing, you are NOT allowed to move off just because they have passed your vehicle....Go check the Road Code if you do not believe me...actually that is one reason that I believe that everyone should resit a Theory test at least every 5 to ten years....I also constantly have to point out to parents that they are teaching their children the wrong way to indicate at Roundabouts...Yes you can call me a know all, but then again it is my job to know it all.
Why not surprise yourself and go to the NZTA web site and click on Road Code and a whole new world will open to you....The real Rules...not just what people do because they want to and because they don't give a toss about the law and then BITCH like hell when it turns to custard....end of sermon
There is way more to driving than just the mechanics of moving a vehicle from one place to another

[rebyl]

Your Road Code quote is 6 years out of date

[Berries]

I won't quote the road code because it has no standing in law, but see Ixions post above for what it actually says. It is driving tips based on the Road User Rule, which is also quoted above (but see below). I used to work for the LTSA and LTNZ and it was me who people rang for clarification on the road rules, including the media and the police, so I think I have a pretty good grip on things. All the raised median issue did was clarify the situation where a white line had been painted through the crossing. Some thought this indicated separate crossings some didn't. So the rules were changed. If there is no raised median you consider it as one crossing and are required to give way to pedestrians in both directions.. But as rastuscat pointed out, once someone has passed you you are deemed to have given way. In no legislation does it say you then have to wait for them to reach the footpath on the other side. Although if you know different I am happy to be proved wrong as I have been out the game for a few years.

Edit - Clause 10.1(1)(a) of RUR above was replaced with this last year -
“(a) give way to pedestrians, and to riders of wheeled recreational devices or mobility devices,—
“(i) on the pedestrian crossing; or
“(ii) obviously waiting to cross it; and

The purpose of this was so that if someone was standing waiting to cross you had to stop, before then it was only if they were on the crossing. Doesn't change our argument though.

[Berries]

So, according to (a) drivers must give way to me if I'm riding my bike over a pedestrian crossing?
No. The same Rule defines wheeled recreation devices and I doubt Biggus Blockus falls in to that category.

[peasea]

No. The same Rule defines wheeled recreation devices and I doubt Biggus Blockus falls in to that category.

Oh well, anything's worth a shot to make life a little more interesting.

[rebyl]

How about this for a rule then...If my vehicle is bigger than yours and or I am in a vehicle and you are on foot then you give way to me....
That makes way more sense LOL
Good to see everyone is reading the Road Code and Berries you are so so correct on the indicating at Round Abouts when going straight ahead...you only signal to leave it and yes it does piss every one off when people signal right so you stop and then they turn left and leave....makes you want to throw your toys from the cot...grin

[Indoo]

Go check the Road Code if you do not believe me.

I checked the NZTA and its the same as Ixion posted. Maybe you can point out the part where it states that the pedestrian has to be completely clear of the crossing before you can proceed?

[rastuscat]

Interesting sub-topic here.

The traffic police don't enforce the road code.

Almost every week I have someone tell me that the correct following distance is 2 seconds, coz that's what it says in the road code. Sadly, we actually enforce the legislation, not the road code, and the legislation doesn't mention the 2 second rule.

For the record, at 50 km/h one must follow at 20 metres behind. Like, does anyone ever do that? At 50 km/h you are going 13.8 metres per second, so if you are 2 seconds back you are 27.6 metres, easlily complying.

I haven't looked at the road code for years, but I am lucky enough to have to read the legislation most days at work.

So there

[Berries]

The traffic police don't enforce the road code.
It would certainly make more sense if the road code was rewritten to accurately reflect the actual Rule it is based on rather than being full of pretty pictures for all those people leaving the NZ education system who can't reed or right.

[Max Preload]

I've been pulled over 5 times... but only ticketed once.
Oddly, the only one who didn't give a ticket didn't like bikes, nor rode one

Is it just me... :blink:

[Expert]

DISCLAIMER;
this post has nothing of any interest in it to anyone and should not be read or taken seriously by anyone for fear of offence, please do not get upset or personally abuse me for its content. Instead, fuck off ;)

I had to laugh when i heard this story yesterday.
Young girl riding down a slip road on her bike, coming up to those on-ramp signals before you join the motorway. Grabs a hand ful of front brake and her calliper fell off leaving her with no front brake! She zoomed through the, at the time, red light and glanced off a stationary car parked on NZs biggest car park, SH1.
A copper (NOT the filth, i've been pulled up on this already) witnessed all this because he was parked in the queue, came along and after watching this poor girl pick her bike up and get abused by the car owner, gave her a ticket for running a red light!

Building safer communities together.

DISCLAIMER;
this post has nothing of any interest in it to anyone and should not be read or taken seriously by anyone for fear of offence, please do not get upset or personally abuse me for its content. Instead, fuck off ;)

[peasea]

A copper (NOT the filth)

What other kind of 'copper' is there?

[idb]

If the Traffic Police are so professional, how come I see so many breaking the most basic of Traffic Law. I am a Driver Trainer and am constantly explaining to students why that officer .....drove away at a pedestrian crossing before the person had exited the crossing (no it did not have the raised median), why he failed to come to a complete stop at a stop sign (rolling stop), why he is parked on the broken yellow line and in so doing is obscuring the entrance to a pedestrian crossing.............................

Every job has its perks.

[red mermaid]

And if you wonder why you may get attitude, or what you think is attitude, at times...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXb3p6j6oU

[scumdog]

And if you wonder why you may get attitude, or what you think is attitude, at times...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwXb3p6j6oU

Kinda sums it all up.

Nothing I can add.

[Usarka]

Nothing I can add.
Don't you fullas have to pass maths to get in anymore?

[peasea]

Don't you fullas have to pass maths to get in anymore?

I think he runs out of steam after a few 'doubles'.

[Rogue Rider]

I guess in any light really, anyone who takes pride in issuing infringement notices to motorists is doomed to be hated from the get go.....
It could be eased if the popo actually took an interest in people and held there regard in mind and educated them in the ways of "Building safer communities Together" and "Always Blow On The Pie".
I, for the first time ever, interacted with a pleasant popo yesterday, whilst undergoing the ticketing process. I still argued my point, respectfully and with courtesy. The Popo replied with a pleasant and well mannered demeanor. I was impressed, he is still a NOB though, cause he gave me a ticket, but rest assured he is not as big a NOB as the dipshit piggypoohs out there........

:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scoo ter::scooter::scooter::scooter:

[scumdog]

I guess in any light really, anyone who takes pride in issuing infringement notices to motorists is doomed to be hated from the get go.....:scooter::scooter::scooter:


I take pride in everything I do - tickets included, d'ya think I should be sloppy in issuing infringement notices to motorists?//:blink:

[DarkLord]

When I was pulled over for speeding a couple of months back, the officer was pleasant, courteous and respectful.

When the police arrived at the scene of my accident back in 2008, the lady cop who came and spoke to me was very nice and even offered to put me up at the station until my parents arrived to pick me up.

The other night I was walking into town and a cop car pulls up as they were looking for some taggers - both cops were very pleasant.

They are not all bad.