Guess what I just heard!

[mastiboy]

My g/f amd i were having dinner at the brentwood and i saw brian bersnard with some of his mates boozing in the bar! they were saying that the sidecars are fucked and wont be runnin next season! wtf!
seems they have been meeting about some shit and they were sayin that that the supers are going ti treaded tyres to, these guys were talking a lot of shit about road racing stuff, something about the 150's getting canned too! the g/f dragged me away before i heard any more!
some shit about the bmw racing in sidecars too!
seems they know somethin we dont.

[Biggles08]

some shit about the bmw racing in sidecars too!
seems they know somethin we dont.

Sweet....Choppa's racing a sidecar!

[Kickaha]

Sweet....Choppa's racing a sidecar!

How can he be if the Sidecars are fucked and not running next season? ,maybe he is going classic?

Canning 150 would be one of the dumbest things they could do so it wouldn't suprise me if that did happen although they aren't a National class anyway

[ashracer]

Its only two weeks untill the MNZ AGM, (23rd) it will all come out then.

Loose lips sink ships!!!

[lostinflyz]

i think someones being a good ol shit stirrer.

[crazyhorse]

i think someones being a good ol shit stirrer.

conversations that are overheard should not be retold - unless you have the facts.......

[sidecar bob]

LMFAO!! seems someone is living up to their username. Had a fun evening with Brian at The Celtic a few weeks ago, You probably heard him say that the BMW in sidecars was the most awesome one out there & that he wishes that some of the other swingers had half the talent of the one on the Beemer & that modern sidecars were fucked because the swinger on number 27 is a gay fag & nobody likes gay fags.

some shit about the bmw racing in sidecars too!
seems they know somethin we dont.

[Kickaha]

nobody likes gay fags.

I heard Scrivy does and that's why he has you "swinging" for him

[Ronin]

:corn: Have I mentioned I love side car threads?

[DMNTD]

i think someones being a good ol shit stirrer.

2x posts in different...exactly the same. One would tend to agree with you

[Kickaha]

2x posts in different...exactly the same. One would tend to agree with you

One might even think it's an alias

[mastigirl]

i herd that one of the team honda riders was going to come our of the closest on live tv today

[lostinflyz]

i herd that one of the team honda riders was going to come our of the closest on live tv today

well theres a rumour that may have some truth

[avgas]

Mabey we can fix sidecar racing in NZ.
Anyone else wants to race a CJ750?

[Kickaha]

Mabey we can fix sidecar racing in NZ.
Anyone else wants to race a CJ750?

Fuck yeah, but only if it has the machine gun

[Virago]

Those setting up alias accounts should be aware that we know exactly who you are.

If the use of such accounts continues, be aware that bans from the site will result.

[Kickaha]

Those setting up alias accounts should be aware that we know exactly who you are.

If the use of such accounts continues, be aware that bans from the site will result.

Go on then dare you to :bleh: and post their name up here

[ashracer]

yes who is mastiboy, that joined yesterday??

[nzkr1]

Yeah who is mastiboy?, can't bloody spell to save himself. And I'll think you'll find it's "Bernard"!!!!!

[scrivy]

yes who is mastiboy, that joined yesterday??

masti-bater........???

[wharfy]

Its only two weeks untill the MNZ AGM, (23rd) it will all come out then.

Loose lips sink ships!!!

WW II ended 60 years ago !!

It' a bit sad when a "sporting" organization (an incorporated society) has secrets
Anyway moving right along.

The AGM IS coming up SOON - everybody figured out how they are going to vote on the proposed changes - especially
" 7.1.1.2 - Every club has automatic proxy for the affiliated MNZ members that are registered with MNZ as being part of that club, each affiliated member eg, Executive officers, Stewards, and Licence Holders of each club will have their vote cast at each AGM on their behalf by their club delegate. "

MY reading of this is if ratified it means that at the 2011 AGM the "clubs" with the most members can control what happens - There is no provision to say that they have to consult their members or what happens if members of the club are at the AGM ?
Its a pretty big change to they way MNZ operates.

As is the proposal to erase all mention of the "CEO" from the constitution. I wasn't around when the decision to have a CEO was made but I'm guessing it was debated at length. The removal of the CEO was done with no debate - I don't recall that being mentioned ANYWHERE before the elections last year ? Maybe if it had been on the "public" agenda we might have had more than 315 people vote ?
So who's going this year ?
If your not going who's got your proxy ?
How many people on here are members of MNZ ? ( All the racers have to be )

[scott411]

WW II ended 60 years ago !!

It' a bit sad when a "sporting" organization (an incorporated society) has secrets
Anyway moving right along.

The AGM IS coming up SOON - everybody figured out how they are going to vote on the proposed changes - especially
" 7.1.1.2 - Every club has automatic proxy for the affiliated MNZ members that are registered with MNZ as being part of that club, each affiliated member eg, Executive officers, Stewards, and Licence Holders of each club will have their vote cast at each AGM on their behalf by their club delegate. "

MY reading of this is if ratified it means that at the 2011 AGM the "clubs" with the most members can control what happens - There is no provision to say that they have to consult their members or what happens if members of the club are at the AGM ?
Its a pretty big change to they way MNZ operates.

As is the proposal to erase all mention of the "CEO" from the constitution. I wasn't around when the decision to have a CEO was made but I'm guessing it was debated at length. The removal of the CEO was done with no debate - I don't recall that being mentioned ANYWHERE before the elections last year ? Maybe if it had been on the "public" agenda we might have had more than 315 people vote ?
So who's going this year ?
If your not going who's got your proxy ?
How many people on here are members of MNZ ? ( All the racers have to be )

interesting points, teh Pres was around here last time last year, answering questions, but have not seen him here for a while, i would like to know some other peoples veiws on this,

as for the voting, they current system of postal votes is being ignored somewhat, with disgustingly low voter returns, so i think a change is needed,

however one vote per liceince holder is probebly not my favoured outcome, i would suggest something like one vote per 20 members, giving some of the larger clubs a say, but not a big say, (and i am the president of one of the biggest clubs), i do not think a club with 10 MNZ licience holders should have the same power as a club with 300 liceince holders,

[scrivy]

i do not think a club with 10 MNZ licience holders should have the same power as a club with 300 liceince holders,

Depends on how proactive the members and the club are.
Why should a large club with apathetic members have more say than a proactive club with less members?

Just cause your a club member, doesn't also mean you partake in club activities etc.
So an executive club member would then speak for me............ No thanks. I'll speak for myself.

[Billy]

Those setting up alias accounts should be aware that we know exactly who you are.

If the use of such accounts continues, be aware that bans from the site will result.

Err,Dont most people on here use an alias??and if your referring to people having 2 usernames,Why havent you done something about it before if you knew??There are a number of users doing this and funnily enough,Questioning themselves on some of the threads and using their second username too back themselves up.

[MIXONE]

Err,Dont most people on here use an alias??and if your referring to people having 2 usernames,Why havent you done something about it before if you knew??There are a number of users doing this and funnily enough,Questioning themselves on some of the threads and using their second username too back themselves up.

Probably talk to themselves as well...

[wharfy]

interesting points, teh Pres was around here last time last year, answering questions, but have not seen him here for a while, i would like to know some other peoples veiws on this,

as for the voting, they current system of postal votes is being ignored somewhat, with disgustingly low voter returns, so i think a change is needed,

however one vote per liceince holder is probebly not my favoured outcome, i would suggest something like one vote per 20 members, giving some of the larger clubs a say, but not a big say, (and i am the president of one of the biggest clubs), i do not think a club with 10 MNZ licience holders should have the same power as a club with 300 liceince holders,

I think the idea is the club gets the proxy votes for "ALL" their MNZ members by default. So a club with 100 members who are MNZ license holders gets 100 votes for them plus the club "executive officers" ( say Pres, sec, treas, race vice-pres, social-vice pres) thats 105 votes.
But what happens if club members turn up (as they should !!!) Will there be a count before each vote so that the number of members present for each club can be deducted from the proxies they have ? Will the clubs have to canvas their members and vote according to their wishes ? If I belong to more than one club and turn up at the AGM then I get 3 votes - (but 2 of them may or may not be cast the way I would like ? ) .

I may be a bit old fashioned but my idea of democracy is if you don't vote explicitly by either turning up, or nominating a proxy to vote the way you want (or deliberately casting and "informal" vote) then the "default" is you have NO vote.

A LOT of racers only join a club because they have to to get a race license and don't actually care about the running of the club ( or MNZ either ) - I know some people joined the Vic club because they like the way the winter series is run. That doesn't mean they would agree with everything Vic Club committee decides;
(even though we are all very sensible and competent and have the welfare of motorcyclists as our prime objective :) )

So all you MNZ members READ the stuff you were sent, talk about it (at the club, the pub or on-line) make a decision, come to the AGM or give your club delegate or someone who IS coming your proxy.

[scrivy]

You're a sensible bugger Whafy!

[wharfy]

You're a sensible bugger Whafy!

Not very really - I (try to) race a motorcycle after all :)

[avgas]

Fuck yeah, but only if it has the machine gun
How about a AK copy?

[scott411]

fair points raised above, the basics fall apart becasue of apathy of the majority of guys that jsut want to turn up and race, the proxy system has its faults, someone can sit down at a clubday MX meeting, (or a road race for that matter) and get 60-100 proxy's, (it is pretty easy to do, i know i have done it),

not sure if there is a perfect answer to this,

[Shaun]

Err,Dont most people on here use an alias??and if your referring to people having 2 usernames,Why havent you done something about it before if you knew??There are a number of users doing this and funnily enough,Questioning themselves on some of the threads and using their second username too back themselves up.



That sounds like some one with ( 3) legs, if you know what I mean.

[woodyracer]

Err,Dont most people on here use an alias??and if your referring to people having 2 usernames,Why havent you done something about it before if you knew??There are a number of users doing this and funnily enough,Questioning themselves on some of the threads and using their second username too back themselves up.

how did you find out my genius plan billy.....dam....

[wharfy]

fair points raised above, the basics fall apart becasue of apathy of the majority of guys that jsut want to turn up and race, the proxy system has its faults, someone can sit down at a clubday MX meeting, (or a road race for that matter) and get 60-100 proxy's, (it is pretty easy to do, i know i have done it),

not sure if there is a perfect answer to this,

I assume you did that for a particular reason and the people who gave you their proxy new what the reason was and agreed ? If so thats OK with me, that's how it works.
I might be pissed off if I found out that you worked for a tyre distributer and were trying to introduce a one tyre rule to use their tyre - I guess even that wouldn't be too bad if you were up front about it - and there was some benifit to racers (like cheaper tyres).

I think the one way this could be abused is if a tyre company (for example) approached you and said "if you can get a one tyre rule introduced with our tyre, you will get a free trip to a MotoGP round of your choice in our corporate box"

(this is NOT a thinly disguised add to any manufacturers/imports/distributors/retailers or anyone with access to a MotoGP corporate box :))

P.S. My trip to the IOM TT next month will be entirely funded by Kiwibank Mastercard (even if they don't know it yet) with hospitality supplied by the family of the Lovely Katie O'Donnell :) :woohoo:

[ashracer]

WW II ended 60 years ago !!

The removal of the CEO was done with no debate - I don't recall that being mentioned ANYWHERE before the elections last year ? Maybe if it had been on the "public" agenda we might have had more than 315 people vote ?

And isnt it great that our grand fathers won WW2, so we get to live in a democracy & not under a regime.

[lostinflyz]

WW II ended 60 years ago !!

The removal of the CEO was done with no debate - I don't recall that being mentioned ANYWHERE before the elections last year ? Maybe if it had been on the "public" agenda we might have had more than 315 people vote ?

And isnt it great that our grand fathers won WW2, so we get to live in a democracy & not under a regime.


wasn't getting rid of the CEO poisition a business decision (read money related) made by the board based on the findings of an outside consultant??? There was a big discussion and ho ha about it at the time i seem to remember. i don't think we ever got a say in the CEO did we???

[Biggles08]

A LOT of racers only join a club because they have to to get a race license and don't actually care about the running of the club ( or MNZ either ) -

I would say this is the truth in excess of 80% of club members Wharfy. Personally I believe that proxy votes should only be allowed with the express written permission of the voter involved...ie, you can't presume to vote for someone (such as one of your club members). If the voting turnout was shit, the focus should be on rectifying this issue rather than hiding it. For one point, I looked at all the information sent from MNZ and for the most part it didn't make any sense to me. It seems that those that put together this 'voting pack' forget about who they are sending it to...mostly racers who only want to race. It needs to be put together in a manner that is simply understood (what they are voting for or against) with a box for each issue to be ticked voting one way or the other...keep it VERY simple and easily understood. Just my 2c anyway....as you were

[Shaun]

I would say this is the truth in excess of 80% of club members Wharfy. Personally I believe that proxy votes should only be allowed with the express written permission of the voter involved...ie, you can't presume to vote for someone (such as one of your club members). If the voting turnout was shit, the focus should be on rectifying this issue rather than hiding it. For one point, I looked at all the information sent from MNZ and for the most part it didn't make any sense to me. It seems that those that put together this 'voting pack' forget about who they are sending it to...mostly racers who only want to race. It needs to be put together in a manner that is simply understood (what they are voting for or against) with a box for each issue to be ticked voting one way or the other...keep it VERY simple and easily understood. Just my 2c anyway....as you were

Well typed, and makes sense to me also to do it this way.

[racer40]

yeah i agree with you biggles, I thought we gave our poxy vote to our club delegate for conference, not post it to some company, maybe i'm just a dumb racer cause i dont really understand... How many will have sent there forms in with there delegates name on them so can be voted in right way, not many i expect.

[wharfy]

wasn't getting rid of the CEO poisition a business decision (read money related) made by the board based on the findings of an outside consultant??? There was a big discussion and ho ha about it at the time i seem to remember. i don't think we ever got a say in the CEO did we???

I don't know how the CEO position came about, it happened when I was between memberships (I was a member of ACU when I was a lad) , but I would like to think that it was disscussed at length with the members (or their delegates) as it would have been a pretty big change to the structure.

There was a bit of noise on KB and some clubs protested but pretty much it was a done deal before anyone found out.

In my experience any consultant worth his salt can quickly figure out what recommendation they are expected to come up with and are often used to absolve the management from any blame.

I would have liked to seen the report tabled at the AGM and discussed by the membership before the change was made.