Motorcycle height a problem?

[Lula]

Are you having trouble finding motorcycle that is the right height for you?

One that's not too tall and not too heavy?

Or maybe you've found the bike of your dreams and would like to make it that little bit lower?

If this is a problem for you then check out my ladies column 'Heels On Wheels' in the May issue of Motorcycle Trader (on sale in stores now) where I've got a list of motorcycles you can consider if you are moving up from a 250cc model or options available to lower your current motorcycle.

[rie]

I love your column - wish there were more women writing for motorcycle magazines (and not always for the "women's perspective" either because motorcycles do not discriminate on sex :p)

The way I see it, anyone can ride any bike. A person who is different to the manufacturer's "norm" will always have to learn new skills. Thus, the only real issue I see is that test riding bikes will be quite limited for people who have never ridden a taller bike (ie. when you first move up from your shorty 250). In other words, if you are too short for most stock bikes, it is not possible to lower demos before buying.

Does your column mention anything about what shorter riders can do to make sure they get as much info about the bike before they buy - eg. getting the dealer to make simple adjustments (bring up front forks for instance, which I have been told is a simple procedure for mechanics) that would make it possible (for some) to test ride before buying? Or, if even this doesn't help, what kinds of things to look out for if you decide to pillion-test-ride?

[Lula]

Thanks rie it's great to get some feedback.

I agree with you on the comment that motorcycles do not discriminate on gender, but it's good for the general readership and some in the motorcycling industry to be reminded of the female riding demographic because we are one which is growing each year so I've kept the tagline "women's perspective" for now.

In regards to test bikes and lowering I recommend that you visit the dealership prior to the test ride and investigate if it can be lowered via standard mechanical changes. If so have it sized for you and booked it in so that its set up for you on that particular day.

For pillion test riding the main thing I would be considering is how safe that person is going to be. By law you must be able to touch the pegs and if you're that small it's not a suitable model to be looking at.

Anyway check out the article for more information where there are lowering options that will work for both rider and pillion

[Gubb]

Got anything to make it bigger? I feel I may have outgrown my Striple.

[Lula]

Got anything to make it bigger? I feel I may have outgrown my Striple.

Do you mean you're ready for a change or you've got bigger in size?

I'm impatiently for Ducati’s new Hypermotard 796 to arrive in NZ

[Rogue Rider]

Lol, if you're butt is too big for a sports bike, jump on a phat as cruiser. If your vertically challenged you could always get extensions or a nail box. Either way saw the funniest thing yesterday, thought it was a 400lbs mega moosette on a scooter, but from the front I couldn't confirm it.... the mustache and triple chin were not conclusive enough to determine sex, it still could have gone either way.......... my biggest confusion was trying to determine how this person could get the 50cc scooter up to 60km per hr, it has to be some sort of miracle.
There should be crimes of such persecution towards small machines lol.

ps, if it was you, loved the pink boots and helmet with the sparkles, the yellow flowery scooter really set of your orange hi vis....... however, in this world, I really don't think people will miss you lol.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Got anything to make it bigger? I feel I may have outgrown my Striple.

Its probably rooted: sell it to me for $1000

[HenryDorsetCase]

the other thing is that smaller generally equals lighter, meaning suspension is waaaaay oversprung and the damping is incorrect as well.

[rie]

the other thing is that smaller generally equals lighter, meaning suspension is waaaaay oversprung and the damping is incorrect as well.

that's true. also happens to be something that every dealer i have visited has failed to mention, yet i think it's critical if you are particularly light. all i seem to get is "that's a bit big for you isn't it" and a gentle push in the direction of a pink gladius.

in fact, for the dealers out there: i would have been more inclined, not less, to buy my gixxer if my attention was drawn to the fact that there are impressive degrees of adjustment available without having to pay for a new shock.

[Argyle]

The Suzuki GSXR 600 is the lowest above 250cc

[rie]

The Suzuki GSXR 600 is the lowest above 250cc

are you talking about just sportsbikes?

if not, see ER6n (and its faired counterpart ninja); suzuki gladius; not to mention the range of bonnevilles just to start with.

I have also sat on a number of R6s and SV650s that are relatively shorter or at least comparable to the gsxr600. also noting that recent models of gixxers appear relatively lower than later models. you really do notice when you are 5'3"

[Maha]

Theres a heap of bikes to choose form if you are a shorty.
As for ' the bike of your dreams'? well a dream is just that.
In reality (not dreamworld) you should be on a bike that suits your needs, not your wants.
If by chance you are lucky enough to have both needs/wants statisfied within one bike then great!
Having to go to the extent of 'lowering this and making that bigger and extending everything else' just to make a bike fit seems rediculous.

I have seen both male and female stretching/tip-toeing on their 'dream' bike....
As Lula says in the article ''it only a matter of time before you drop it''.

[rie]

As Lula says in the article ''it only a matter of time before you drop it''.

well it's their money so as long as they're aware of that risk, i don't see why people can't get their "dream" bikes. it's like saying to someone who's just started riding "it's only a matter of time before you hurt yourself" (citing general dangerousness of motorcycling to support the claim... except this example presents more apparent danger to society than a tip toe-r dropping their bikes.)

[Maha]

well it's their money so as long as they're aware of that risk, i don't see why people can't get their "dream" bikes. it's like saying to someone who's just started riding "it's only a matter of time before you hurt yourself"

You're right, it is thier money, buy whatever bike they want.
Most have dropped thier bike at some stage.
I fit my bike perfectly, and have dropped it. A slow ease down sort of drop.
It comes down to the weight V's strength.

The argument here is....seat height for women right? (and in some cases men folk)
Which in turn means, being able to stablize/be in control of your chosen bike when stopped.

I would dearly love something other than my CB but the Honda suits my needs.

[rie]

The argument here is....seat height for women right? (and in some cases men folk)
Which in turn means, being able to stablize/be in control of your chosen bike when stopped.

I would dearly love something other than my CB but the Honda suits my needs.

it isn't an argument that "short people need small bikes" or not. i haven't read Lula's column yet but it seems that the key factor that arises from short-people-on-bikes discussions is the value of information: that any person falling outside manufacturers' norms will benefit from specialised information from those with similar experiences. for instance, i have discovered that general advice regarding tyre pressures and suspension is inapplicable to me because i weigh 45kg, so i like to speak with those who know about suspension for light riders. i also enjoy connecting with shorter riders on tips that have helped them on gravel, etc. yet this does not affect my justification for buying my bike, which some have criticised as being "too big." if i tip-toe, i need information arising from dialogue and experience. if i only have one arm, the same would apply.

would people say to a one armed person that "you might want to ride but forget that dream because you probably need a disability car"? no, because it's none of their business. suddenly the argument that a light person "might want to get a gsxr but she'd probably need a [gn/scooter/etc]" has little salience.

postscript: i apologise for comparing a missing limb with shortness; they are not comparable but it was an illustrative example

[ital916]

Theres a heap of bikes to choose form if you are a shorty.
As for ' the bike of your dreams'? well a dream is just that.
In reality (not dreamworld) you should be on a bike that suits your needs, not your wants.
If by chance you are lucky enough to have both needs/wants statisfied within one bike then great!
Having to go to the extent of 'lowering this and making that bigger and extending everything else' just to make a bike fit seems rediculous.

I have seen both male and female stretching/tip-toeing on their 'dream' bike....
As Lula says in the article ''it only a matter of time before you drop it''.

I think there are many motorcyclists that would and do disagree with that first point (in red), seen by the number of superbikes, motards, large capacity cruisers on the road. lets be honest, if we rode only what we needed then nobody would go over a 250, if that.

I dont see the ridiculousness of adjusting a bike to suit ones own frame etc. Do we not do it every day with cars. The first thing the majority of people do when they get in a car is adjust the seat height, steering wheel height, incline etc etc. This is because the adjustability is built in so that people of all statures can operate the vehicle. Same with motorcycles, they do not fit all people as standard but are adjustable to do so (to certain extremes). So what is so ridiculous with raising a bike or lowering it to fit or adjusting the bars etc.

As for the dropping of the bike, again it is their money, so what if they drop it. We see dream cars with dings in them all the time. If you are too short to see out the rear window of a ferrari should you not buy one if you want for the mere reason of "you might ding it". I dont think so.

:corn::corn::corn:

[bittertwistedcute]

Fantastic politically incorrectness, love it

Lol, if you're butt is too big for a sports bike, jump on a phat as cruiser. If your vertically challenged you could always get extensions or a nail box. Either way saw the funniest thing yesterday, thought it was a 400lbs mega moosette on a scooter, but from the front I couldn't confirm it.... the mustache and triple chin were not conclusive enough to determine sex, it still could have gone either way.......... my biggest confusion was trying to determine how this person could get the 50cc scooter up to 60km per hr, it has to be some sort of miracle.
There should be crimes of such persecution towards small machines lol.

ps, if it was you, loved the pink boots and helmet with the sparkles, the yellow flowery scooter really set of your orange hi vis....... however, in this world, I really don't think people will miss you lol.

[2wheeldrifter]

I find height isn't a problem when laying down...

my 2c worth :)

The Ducati monster has a low seat height of 800mm, which can be wind down to about 790ish using the ride height adjustor........... the Ducati ST's starts at 820mm.. some usless info :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

it isn't an argument that "short people need small bikes" or not. i haven't read Lula's column yet but it seems that the key factor that arises from short-people-on-bikes discussions is the value of information: that any person falling outside manufacturers' norms will benefit from specialised information from those with similar experiences. for instance, i have discovered that general advice regarding tyre pressures and suspension is inapplicable to me because i weigh 45kg, so i like to speak with those who know about suspension for light riders. i also enjoy connecting with shorter riders on tips that have helped them on gravel, etc. yet this does not affect my justification for buying my bike, which some have criticised as being "too big." if i tip-toe, i need information arising from dialogue and experience. if i only have one arm, the same would apply.

would people say to a one armed person that "you might want to ride but forget that dream because you probably need a disability car"? no, because it's none of their business. suddenly the argument that a light person "might want to get a gsxr but she'd probably need a [gn/scooter/etc]" has little salience.

postscript: i apologise for comparing a missing limb with shortness; they are not comparable but it was an illustrative example

5ft 3 and 45 kg! blimey. I am 5 ft4 and 70. EVERY Bike I have ever had has been "too big".

Some I physically have difficulty with (trail bikes: the seats are at nipple height...... oooh errr my nipples I mean). but anything else not so much. I'm used to it now. and once its moving, generally not an issue.

[Gubb]

Do you mean you're ready for a change or you've got bigger in size?

I'm impatiently for Ducati’s new Hypermotard 796 to arrive in NZ

Just ready for a change. Sorry didn't mean to hijack your thread. At 6'3" I don't really have much more room to grow anyway. I hope.

[Lula]

So what do you think is the best bike to recommend for the smaller rider?

The key criteria is that it's got to be something that is:
A. Low
B. Light
C. Over 250cc

And if you want something that isn't a cruiser even more of a challenge....

[Dutchee]

Everyone is different. There is NO ONE bike to recommend. I don't like cruisers, I don't want a full-on sports bike, I've done the adventure bike, I've done the commuter bike (yeah, under 250cc). There is no bike at the moment that sets my soul on fire, so I'm sticking with my "learner" bike.

Yes, when you're laying down, height isn't an issue, but when you go pick up the bike, that's when it is an issue ;) Weight could be an issue on the lay-down, but definitely on the pick up of the bike hehehe

I'm less likely to drop my small bikes than my bigger ones, so I'll stick to the small ones. I have dropped my DRZ250, DR650, but I haven't dropped the 250 ninja and didn't drop the scorpioz. The scorpioz did get knocked over, the GS500 would fall at the drop of a hat when parked.

The GSXF750 was an okay size for me, but damned heavy. The SV650 is an okay size for me, except the arm reach. Weight is only an issue when manoeuvring, not when moving, but you've got to move the bike around sometimes to get moving, so it is a consideration.

I looked at the list you'd made, the only two bikes I'd even consider are the Gladius (only because it comes in pink - not) and the 500 kawasaki, but neither will be happening.

Stefan Merriman made a comment years ago that height isn't an issue, your feet should be on the pegs - he is a short-arse. That's true for riders at that level, but for those of us not so confident and competent, it is an issue.

Guys also generally have more brute-force. I remember riding behind someone, he started getting the corner wrong, so put his foot down and forced the bike to where it needed to go. (off-road). I looked at that and thought that it would've ended in tears if I were to do that. It didn't look pretty, it wasn't huge skills, it was just sheer brute force.

My 10c on the matter (only cause we don't have 1, 2 or 5c).
Oh, I'm about 5'3" and have had my full licence for many years (but only ridden road for about 6 - scooters don't count).

[davebullet]

The naked SV650 seems quite suited. Mrs. B is 5'7" and can comfortably put both feet flat down.

The above was before I put a GSXR1000 shock in it which inadvertently lowered it slightly, nor has there been other mods (like lowered seat).

Women's height is an interesting topic. If you look at many women, their leg length seems to be proportionally longer than their torso compared to men. I know this from perving at the gym... I mean observation.

So a female with height of 5'5" might have the same leg length as a man who is 5'7" tall.

[Maha]

So what do you think is the best bike to recommend for the smaller rider?

The key criteria is that it's got to be something that is:
A. Low
B. Light
C. Over 250cc

And if you want something that isn't a cruiser even more of a challenge....

The Gladius was made for the women market........surely?

[StoneY]

Im a runt

I suffer the same issue this thread and the column in the mag cover

I can put both feet flat on my GSXR1100, balls of feet on my ST4, but my SuporDuke.... lean at the lights, one toe on ground, iffy ballance on windy days at a stop grrrr.
Still, guess what bike gets used the most LOL

Love it....so what if I cant touch the bloody ground its just like back when I had MX bikes anyway (so used to it) once moving its not an issue :-)

[Bald Eagle]

Im a runt

I suffer the same issue this thread and the column in the mag cover

I can put both feet flat on my GSXR1100, balls of feet on my ST4, but my SuporDuke.... lean at the lights, one toe on ground, iffy ballance on windy days at a stop grrrr.
Still, guess what bike gets used the most LOL

Love it....so what if I cant touch the bloody ground its just like back when I had MX bikes anyway (so used to it) once moving its not an issue :-)

Not forgetting us taller types have the opposite issue, extra join in legs to get knees to fit, stop knuckles dragging on the ground etc :lol:

[Maha]

Not forgetting us taller types have the opposite issue, extra join in legs to get knees to fit, stop knuckles dragging on the ground etc :lol:

Just pays to be perfectly average.

[Sentox]

5ft 3 and 45 kg! blimey. I am 5 ft4 and 70.

Heh. 6' 1" and 67kg (light enough to be race material, but much too tall sadly :laugh:). A good part of the reason I ride a Hyosung instead of, say, a Ninja. Gotta fit those legs somewhere.

I can say with certainty that having that bit more sure-footedness has been the only thing saving me from a slow-speed/no-speed drop a few times. As you get more experienced, you stop getting into those dodgy situations. I would imagine it would be a bit more difficult to start out on a bike where you're tip-toeing.

[Little Miss Trouble]

I think that as long as you love the bike & feel comfortable on it, who cares if you are shorter than the 'standard' rider.

I'm only 5'4" and back when I first started riding I'd fallen in love with a little (seemed HUGE at the time) red GPX and no amount of well meaning people telling me that I shouldn't get it because I'd drop it etc could persuade me from buying her. Yes, she went on her side a few times, but so what? I learnt a lot more about slow speed handling and muscling a larger bike around than I ever would have done on a GN/Scorpio etc that were the suggested bikes for me.
This made the step up to the SV650 not quite so daunting. The purchase of the SV was definitely a head rather than heart decision - I'd actually wanted a Ducati Monster but got talked out of it due to servicing costs etc. - and found myself disliking it within 6 months of purchase. The suspension, looks and the over all build quality were all rather underwhelming.
It took me another 6 months to finally quit that bike, and then another 4-6 weeks to find the perfect bike to suit where I am at right now, my R6. I'd always thought that an R6 would be too tall and that I'd have to get lowering links etc but this bike seems to fit me like a glove and sounds rather feral with her scorpion exhaust too!

It always amuses me when tall people try and tell me "You MUST be able to get two flat feet on the ground." If I thought like that I'd be restricted to the afore mentioned GN/Scorpio/Cruiser style bike. The truth is you can get away with alot less, personally I still like to have the balls of both feet reach the ground but do know a woman who is on the tips of her toes only, and good on her if she is comfortable with that!

[HenryDorsetCase]

So what do you think is the best bike to recommend for the smaller rider?

The key criteria is that it's got to be something that is:
A. Low
B. Light
C. Over 250cc

And if you want something that isn't a cruiser even more of a challenge....

Triumph Street Triple.

SV650

Bonneville A1

HD Nightster (or is that a cruiser?)

[Gone Burger]

The Gladius was made for the women market........surely?

Sat on the bike at a training day. Felt like a great weight for a light gal like me (under 50kg) but I could barely touch the ground. Was on the very very tips on my toes and struggled to keep it upright as a result. I'm 5ft 4" so also a short ass.

Have had a few problems with the heights on many bikes that I have sat on when trying to decide what to upgrade to. A lot of people told me that I would get used to only having my toes on the ground, but I just didn't trust that on gravel, or trying to shift weight at the lights etc that I had enough of my feet on the ground.

Ended up buying a m50 cruiser. Very low to the ground which is awesome for me. Still, I am on my toes when trying to move its weight forward or back from stationery, and tried it on my gravel drive the other day. Had to get off an move it as I needed more than my toes to get the weight actually moving. Am getting used to it though, and its no issue when moving. Just gotta get used to the slow moving stuff. Don't think they get much lower than this though :)

Give everything a go. Good to find something a little lower. Plenty out there of all different styles. But yes, can relate to your problem on this one. :)

Guess I will never "grow up"

[hellokitty]

Katiepie - you got a nice bike!!!!!!!!!! Bloody heavy for a little one like you though? - I mean that in the nicest possible way - I weigh heaps more than you, and that is one big bike - you must look so cool on it though! When I need to move my bike, I get on it and walk around, or if I am trying to move it uphill, I turn it on and ride it - too damn heavy to stand next to it and push it!

[jack_hamma]

I find height isn't a problem when laying down...

my 2c worth :)

The Ducati monster has a low seat height of 800mm, which can be wind down to about 790ish using the ride height adjustor........... the Ducati ST's starts at 820mm.. some usless info :)


So what do you think is the best bike to recommend for the smaller rider?

The key criteria is that it's got to be something that is:
A. Low
B. Light
C. Over 250cc

And if you want something that isn't a cruiser even more of a challenge....

Isn't 800mm pretty low for a seat and with at 170kg for the 803cc monster worth a look?

[Thani-B]

that's true. also happens to be something that every dealer i have visited has failed to mention, yet i think it's critical if you are particularly light. all i seem to get is "that's a bit big for you isn't it" and a gentle push in the direction of a pink gladius.

in fact, for the dealers out there: i would have been more inclined, not less, to buy my gixxer if my attention was drawn to the fact that there are impressive degrees of adjustment available without having to pay for a new shock.

Not putting down what you bought Rie, it is a beautiful bike, but did you ever take a Gladius for a test ride?
Before I got my ER6n I took a few bikes out for a ride including a SV650, Bandit 600, GSXr 750, VFR400, Gladius.. can't remember what else. But out of all of them I liked the gladius the best. It was only money that stopped me from getting one. And I'm not too much taller than you, and the same weight.

[rie]

Not putting down what you bought Rie, it is a beautiful bike, but did you ever take a Gladius for a test ride?
Before I got my ER6n I took a few bikes out for a ride including a SV650, Bandit 600, GSXr 750, VFR400, Gladius.. can't remember what else. But out of all of them I liked the gladius the best. It was only money that stopped me from getting one. And I'm not too much taller than you, and the same weight.

Hey,

I wasn't saying anything about the desirability of gladius vs. anything else. my basic point is that nobody should tell you to get something because you're smaller than the average. in fact, it's your money so you have the right to buy whatever you want. my qualm is with being singlemindedly told to buy gladius because i wouldn't "fit anything else." rubbish.

[hellokitty]

People have funny ideas about others, big, small, teeny or chubby, and the thing that bugs me is they want to make you fit into what they think you should be.......
I met a really cool lady, really pretty and slim who rides the huuuugest cruiser - I thought she was awesome - I would be way too scared to ride something that big.
My husband was looking at bikes the other week, and it was "that bike is too small for a big guy blah blah crap"
Postive comments from random strangers are welcome - negative thoughts you can keep to yourself!

This is aimed at no one here just me having a moan. If you think if you can handle it buy it!!!!! Or if you are like me and are scared of being on tiptoes on a heavy bike, then look around......
I was keen on a Ducati monster and I have short legs and was flat footed on it - even a big monster........ but I am a cruiser girl - got a bad back and not up to riding a sports bike dammit.

[Thani-B]

Hey,

I wasn't saying anything about the desirability of gladius vs. anything else. my basic point is that nobody should tell you to get something because you're smaller than the average. in fact, it's your money so you have the right to buy whatever you want. my qualm is with being singlemindedly told to buy gladius because i wouldn't "fit anything else." rubbish.

Yeah I understand that. I didn't let anyone tell me what I could and couldn't ride, heck, I even took a motard for a blat that I couldn't even touch the ground on. My point is maybe they were pointing you towards the gladius because it is a pretty perfect bike for someone smaller, and it would help to gain confidence on a bigger, heavier bike before upgrading to something else.

[R-Soul]

Everyone is different. There is NO ONE bike to recommend. I don't like cruisers, I don't want a full-on sports bike, I've done the adventure bike, I've done the commuter bike (yeah, under 250cc). There is no bike at the moment that sets my soul on fire, so I'm sticking with my "learner" bike.

Yes, when you're laying down, height isn't an issue, but when you go pick up the bike, that's when it is an issue ;) Weight could be an issue on the lay-down, but definitely on the pick up of the bike hehehe

I'm less likely to drop my small bikes than my bigger ones, so I'll stick to the small ones. I have dropped my DRZ250, DR650, but I haven't dropped the 250 ninja and didn't drop the scorpioz. The scorpioz did get knocked over, the GS500 would fall at the drop of a hat when parked.

The GSXF750 was an okay size for me, but damned heavy. The SV650 is an okay size for me, except the arm reach. Weight is only an issue when manoeuvring, not when moving, but you've got to move the bike around sometimes to get moving, so it is a consideration.

I looked at the list you'd made, the only two bikes I'd even consider are the Gladius (only because it comes in pink - not) and the 500 kawasaki, but neither will be happening.

Stefan Merriman made a comment years ago that height isn't an issue, your feet should be on the pegs - he is a short-arse. That's true for riders at that level, but for those of us not so confident and competent, it is an issue.

Guys also generally have more brute-force. I remember riding behind someone, he started getting the corner wrong, so put his foot down and forced the bike to where it needed to go. (off-road). I looked at that and thought that it would've ended in tears if I were to do that. It didn't look pretty, it wasn't huge skills, it was just sheer brute force.

My 10c on the matter (only cause we don't have 1, 2 or 5c).
Oh, I'm about 5'3" and have had my full licence for many years (but only ridden road for about 6 - scooters don't count).

And are you a chick?

[rachprice]

Not forgetting us taller types have the opposite issue, extra join in legs to get knees to fit, stop knuckles dragging on the ground etc :lol:


Heh. 6' 1" and 67kg (light enough to be race material, but much too tall sadly :laugh:). A good part of the reason I ride a Hyosung instead of, say, a Ninja. Gotta fit those legs somewhere.

I can say with certainty that having that bit more sure-footedness has been the only thing saving me from a slow-speed/no-speed drop a few times. As you get more experienced, you stop getting into those dodgy situations. I would imagine it would be a bit more difficult to start out on a bike where you're tip-toeing.

Im not all that tall but have super long legs so I find I can get cramped sometimes, my RGV was probably the worst, would like to have a go on the 125GP bikes but think my legs would be a hindrance there

You are not too tall for racing, how tall is Andrew Stroud?

[Dutchee]

And are you a chick?
I'm a female, but a bit old to be classed as a chick.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Im not all that tall but have super long legs so I find I can get cramped sometimes, my RGV was probably the worst, would like to have a go on the 125GP bikes but think my legs would be a hindrance there

You are not too tall for racing, how tall is Andrew Stroud?

mate of mine is 6 ft and skinny, he folds himself up like a praying mantis to fit on his RS125.....

[R-Soul]

I'm a female, but a bit old to be classed as a chick.

so... a dame.. but your profile doesn't show anything, so I had to ask.

[bittertwistedcute]

Now there's visual - LOL nice quote

mate of mine is 6 ft and skinny, he folds himself up like a praying mantis to fit on his RS125.....

[Ratti]

Women do have proportionally longer legs than men.
I know how tall Bald Eagle is, at nearly 6'4" he is a long streak to fold into any space! I'm nearly 6foot tall and have unusually long legs even for a woman. SO just imagine my problem? The ground is always close enough, mostly its in the seats of bikes. I generally need to shove back about 2-3 inches to get space for my legs. But that leaves me 2-3 inches short of a comfortable reach to the handlbars cos I have woman-length arms.
What we actually need is a range of bikes that cater for
longer legs,
shorter arm
that come in a variety of frame heights

[Maha]

Any feamle will fit most Harleys.

[Ratti]

Maha dear...not for this rodent

[Supertwin Don]

Have you ever thought of the "riser" units that are made for motocrossers etc, but custom made so that they move the bars back, rather than up? Hopefully, 50mm or so would not need new cables/hoses.

[Ratti]

not into motocrossing so I dont know what you mean. Is it an extension thingummy that sits on the steering head. Bars attached to that rather than straight onto the head?

What type of shop would have that kind of thing?
Getting off topic somaybe you could start another thread or pm me?

[Supertwin Don]

Hi, Ratti,
I'm sending the message this way 'cause I can't figure out how to add a picture to the pm !!
Hopefully, the picture will show what I am thinking of - fairly sure I have seen them for sale somewhere, but probably a while ago. They could be made up fairly readily by a machine shop.
They should work on the older style top clamp, but any plastic cover may get in the way.
Don

[Ratti]

jeepers, you're a clever bugger.
I'll ponder the possibilities and le tyou know how it goes. Thanks for taking time, It makes a lot more sense now

[jack_hamma]

jeepers, you're a clever bugger.
I'll ponder the possibilities and le tyou know how it goes. Thanks for taking time, It makes a lot more sense now


Just some pic's....

http://www.roxspeedfx.com/subcatpage/269//690e%20AV.jpg

http://www.roxspeedfx.com/cart/pics/111990784877828.jpg

http://www.roxspeedfx.com/subcatpage/303//KTMAdventureProOffset.jpg

http://www.adventuremotorcycleparts.com/merchant2/graphics/00000001/TTLLEH-00-039-152-ATT.jpg

There are out there...... :)

[warewolf]

Let this little lady be some inspiration... Andrea Mayer:

http://www.rallye-tenere.net/Bilder/AndreaMayerOPTIK.jpg

[Dutchee]

Let this little lady be some inspiration... Andrea Mayer:

http://www.rallye-tenere.net/Bilder/AndreaMayerOPTIK.jpg
The problem I find with some of these inspirational pictures/videos, is they show short chicks with talent and who probably started riding around the time they started walking.
I am a short female with no talent and started riding in my 30's. i also have no co-ordination skills to begin with, so Andrea Mayer is no inspiration for me (total envy and respect, yes).

We can't all be supermodels, we can't all be talented riders, but we can accept who we are and deal with it :)

[warewolf]

There's a difference between Dakar-winning talent, and I-can-ride-any-damn-bike-I-choose talent. The latter can be learned - that is the bit that needs accepting and dealing with! :yes:

[bittertwistedcute]

Are we twins??

The problem I find with some of these inspirational pictures/videos, is they show short chicks with talent and who probably started riding around the time they started walking.
I am a short female with no talent and started riding in my 30's. i also have no co-ordination skills to begin with, so Andrea Mayer is no inspiration for me (total envy and respect, yes).

We can't all be supermodels, we can't all be talented riders, but we can accept who we are and deal with it :)

[helenoftroy]

There's a difference between Dakar-winning talent, and I-can-ride-any-damn-bike-I-choose talent. The latter can be learned - that is the bit that needs accepting and dealing with! :yes:

Im with warewolf on this one!

I never turn down the chance to ride any bike...where there's a will there's a way:yes:

My boy has just brought a Honda XR650R,can tippytoe one foot with my backside waaay of the edge of the seat.
That bike is hoonish sex on wheels & there's no way Im not being in on the fun!!:devil2:

[Mrs Shrek]

:wari: I have a TU250 grasstracker arriving near the end of July :jerry:
seat height 745mm weight 123kg
I can just get the balls of my feet on the ground..... funny thing is the lady i'm buying it off is shorter than me :gob: :whocares: its what i want and feel comfortable on at the mo :Punk:

[helenoftroy]

:wari: I have a TU250 grasstracker arriving near the end of July :jerry:
seat height 745mm weight 123kg
I can just get the balls of my feet on the ground..... funny thing is the lady i'm buying it off is shorter than me :gob: :whocares: its what i want and feel comfortable on at the mo :Punk:

Awesome news - let the fun begin!!:woohoo:

Its a cool wee bike Mrs Shrek,I think you are going to love having your own bike.... again!:scooter:

[bittertwistedcute]

Congrats, a new baby is always a welcome addition to any family ; )

:wari: I have a TU250 grasstracker arriving near the end of July :jerry:
seat height 745mm weight 123kg
I can just get the balls of my feet on the ground..... funny thing is the lady i'm buying it off is shorter than me :gob: :whocares: its what i want and feel comfortable on at the mo :Punk:

[Mrs Shrek]

Congrats, a new baby is always a welcome addition to any family ; )


:eek: at my age and with the amount of "babies" we have.... only the 2 wheel variety please :yes:

[bittertwistedcute]

LOL Agreed, I am almost allergic to the kind without wheels these days!
; )


:eek: at my age and with the amount of "babies" we have.... only the 2 wheel variety please :yes:

[Dutchee]

Is there a different kind to two wheeled? (there is the odd 2-legged one that I do like, but they have to be odd).

I won't turn down a ride on a bike that the owner is happy with me riding (oh, except for the Rocket III, that one just intimidates me, plus I thought a week of lane-splitting on it would just be bad news for me & the bike).

I will also turn down a ride on a bike I know I'll fall in love with, if I'm not ready to ditch my baby (funnily enough, I'm not taking any bikes for a test ride at the moment). I am reminded now & then I have to take a friend's bike for a ride to see what I think of his 400, but he enjoys riding it, I enjoy riding mine and I know he's not getting rid of it anytime soon (it's only been about 1-1/2 years so far, what's a bit longer lol).

I do enjoy riding my husband's SV650 occasionally, and also enjoyed riding his GXF750 (moreso when he wasn't pillion) - oops but didn't like his MZ500 and couldn't start the TTR600, so riding that it was a case of thinking whether it was possible to stall it and if so, passing up on that opportunity (kick start only).

[MsKABC]

Hey,

I wasn't saying anything about the desirability of gladius vs. anything else. my basic point is that nobody should tell you to get something because you're smaller than the average. in fact, it's your money so you have the right to buy whatever you want. my qualm is with being singlemindedly told to buy gladius because i wouldn't "fit anything else." rubbish.

I rode a Gladius. Don't worry - you didn't miss anything Rie. Should be called a Sadius. Nice communter bike, but a bit dull. I took it back and he said "What did you think?" My reply: "Ummm, needs better brakes, louder pipes, lower bars and 30 more horses." Plus I think it's fugly. I much prefer my gixxer 750. :yes:

[R-Soul]

The problem I find with some of these inspirational pictures/videos, is they show short chicks with talent and who probably started riding around the time they started walking.
I am a short female with no talent and started riding in my 30's. i also have no co-ordination skills to begin with, so Andrea Mayer is no inspiration for me (total envy and respect, yes).

We can't all be supermodels, we can't all be talented riders, but we can accept who we are and deal with it :)

Talents starts with good technique. Youd be surprised how quickly you could learn good technique and be close to 70% as good as she is witha bit of practice... the rest is probably trial and error though... still you'd be pretty good...

[Lula]

Here is the link to my story which was published in the May issue of Motorcycle Trader News regarding motorcycle height: http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/View/Article/How-low-can-you-go/1169.aspx

[Gremlin]

just remember seat height isn't the only factor. Seat and tank width have an effect as well. A taller seat but narrower could be easier than the opposite.

[Stirts]

just remember seat height isn't the only factor. Seat and tank width have an effect as well. A taller seat but narrower could be easier than the opposite.

Thunder thighs is also a contributing factor :pinch:

[one fast tl1ooo]

fat legs. no reach ground.. and my point. nice long legs :rofl:

[Ratti]

Actually dear, ( speaking with the authority of being a fat_biker_chik ) heavy thighs dont get in the way at all. But then I am blessed with being nearly 6 foot tall so maybe I have the best of both worlds?

[DR650gary]

Actually dear, ( speaking with the authority of being a fat_biker_chik ) heavy thighs dont get in the way at all. But then I am blessed with being nearly 6 foot tall so maybe I have the best of both worlds?

That does create a few mental pictures!

I need another beer.

[caseye]

I do sincerely hope that you have at least meet our Ratti and are simply taking the piss.
LOL., Ratti yer all woman, don't listen to his minds eye comments.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I thought this would be a short thread ;)

[Ratti]

That does create a few mental pictures!

I need another beer.


I do sincerely hope that you have at least meet our Ratti and are simply taking the piss.
LOL., Ratti yer all woman, don't listen to his minds eye comments.
Yup all woman, and not nearly as scary as you might think!
I dont want to know what was in his minds eye....somethings oughta be kept private!

[Maha]

Listen to me very carefully I shall say this one wince.
Get a Gladious and a Facebook account...job done, you can thank me later.

[Trudes]

Ok shorties!! I'm selling my Hornet, all set up for short-arses and blinged out. If you or someone you know may be interested flick me a PM.

[Ratti]

Listen to me very carefully I shall say this one wince.
Get a Gladious and a Facebook account...job done, you can thank me later.

If you are talking to me, wash your mouth out and take your punishment like a man...

[Stirts]

Actually dear, ( speaking with the authority of being a fat_biker_chik ) heavy thighs dont get in the way at all. But then I am blessed with being nearly 6 foot tall so maybe I have the best of both worlds?

Nope have to disagree with you there - my non-existent happy gap steals about half an inch of length when I swing my leg over, half an inch that I just can't spare :weep:


Listen to me very carefully I shall say this one wince.
Get a Gladious and a Facebook account...job done, you can thank me later.

Now I understand why Mom swapped your shampoo with Nair!

[Maha]

If you are talking to me, wash your mouth out and take your punishment like a man...

The Chicks with Dicks thread has long since finished...:chase:



Now I understand why Mom swapped your shampoo with Nair!

Indeed, a tea spoon a day keeps the lice away....:shifty:

[caseye]

Mark yer on a hiding to nothing mate, you've seen our ratti aye??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

[Maha]

Mark yer on a hiding to nothing mate, you've seen our ratti aye??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?

Daily occurence here Mark, no I aint seen Ms Ratti, but I am willing to take whatever is dished out like a presumed mere male. :shutup:

[Ratti]

'mere male' ? Never even thought it. I like chaps just the way they are.

Take Caseye's word for it sweety...I'm all woman. 'Chicks with Dicks', not me. I LIKE being a woman, leave the dangly bits for the chaps.

BUt...we digress from the original point of this thread, as usual!

[Argyle]

My partner she is 159cm tall and from all the bikes she's tested (street bikes, sport bikes) the Suzuki GSXR from -07 to present is the most suitable... The seat is really narrow on this bike and it's quite light which makes her feel confident on this model...

Dropping bikes is just not a money issue, it's a confident things also.. You never know when you are going to reach a spot where the ground is a little bit low and drop the bike if it's on the margin.. She felt so ashame when she dropped my GSXR 1000 -06, for me it was no biggie but I do understand how you feel when you've dropped it.. As for me I'm fairly tall, 185cm on 90kgs and I can stand straight up with the bike between my legs..

I think for women who ride sport bikes you girls you should do everything on the bike that can be done so you feel confident and safe on it... Put race fairings on the bike, incase you drop it is not too expensive.. And chuck oggy knobbs on it also, this is to protect the bikes engine and your legs hehe..

I do wonder if the Aprilia RSV4 is a good girls bike, it looks really small and with a nice narrow seat so it's easy to reach the ground...

[Stirts]

I do wonder if the Aprilia RSV4 is a good girls bike, it looks really small and with a nice narrow seat so it's easy to reach the ground...

Looks can be deceiving, I am 163cm short and I can't get both big toes down :weep:

[Argyle]

Looks can be deceiving, I am 163cm short and I can't get both big toes down :weep:

That's too bad, also heard that the pillion seat is HORRIBLE! Feels like it wants to rape you

[Stirts]

That's too bad, also heard that the pillion seat is HORRIBLE! Feels like it wants to rape you

That of course is true, even if you can get one arse cheek on it! The thing is miniscule - 3inches x 5inches FFS!! Made that way on purpose of course - I mean who in their right mind would want to take a pillion on such a bike anyway!!!

[buellbabe]

Interesting thread...

I gotta say something about 'dream bikes' and the notion that if you gotta modify it then its not the bike for you... My beloved X1 is my dream bike, she has had the seat heavily carved, and that made the difference between toes touching the ground or not.
(and don't forget high-heeled boots! My boot heels are 3" )

I reckon owning a bike is even more of a dream come true if you have modified it to make it unique and personal for just YOU.

I'm vertically challenged, only 5'3". I am lucky enuf to be able to ride 3 'dream bikes'. The X1 with the carved seat, I can touch both toes to the ground or the balls of one foot. Feet flat if its loaded with touring gear!
The XB...I have to sit in just the right place on the seat to be able to get toes of one foot to the ground.
The CR...same as the XB but to make matters worse if it is not on flat ground I have difficulty reaching the side stand!

I am careful when parking or just manoevering all 3 of the bikes around. Often I will get off the bike and just push it to where I want cos its quicker than trying to tippy-toe it LOL.

But generally speaking,the height thing doesn't really bother me cos I spend more time on the bike riding than I do worrying about whether I have to turn around or where I'm gonna park it.

Fact is that every bike I test ride is usually too tall for me but thats just something I live with cos I LOVE RIDING!

FYI, the CR is gonna be getting its seat carved in the very near future.:yes: The sidestand issue pisses me off!

[Stirts]

The sidestand issue pisses me off!

Oh hell yes!!! That is probably the only major piss off for me too!!! I too get off and park my bike..... manoeuvring backwards into a park is not really something that is safe for me to do - but no real piss off to be honest.

Lowering the Speedie down 38mm or so has made it stand substantially straighter on the side stand. I have to be very careful about where I park it. And I know that stands can be shortened, but I am very reluctant to get that done - way too worried about compromising the strength of it, stoopid I know but hey.

[buellbabe]

The X1 was very straight when on the stand, a gust of wind could blow it over so I had 1.5" chopped out of the stand (quite a few years ago!) and its been good as gold ever since.

On the CR I have sometimes had both feet off the ground in order to be able to reach and kick the side stand up...potential for disaster eh??
On the plus side, I guess that shows I have really good balance LOL.

[Stirts]

On the CR I have sometimes had both feet off the ground in order to be able to reach and kick the side stand up...potential for disaster eh??
On the plus side, I guess that shows I have really good balance LOL.

:gob: bloody hell woman that is some impressive motorcycle gymnastics!!

[DR650gary]

My wife is 5'1" and fits her Cagiva Raptor 650 with comfort. At 170kgs it is relatively light and has more than enough sting and good looks. From time to time a new one pops up on T Me. She also has a DR200Se for a bit of a change.

The Cagiva has a couple of options that are available to raise or lower the ride height. You can either buy the plates or download a plan from the Raptor Forum and fabricate them which is what we did.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-307821242.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-306560687.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-307259049.htm

I can't recommend this bike highly enough. It has to be good for the boss to pay the exorbitant registration just due:blink:

[MsKABC]

the Suzuki GSXR from -07 to present is the most suitable... The seat is really narrow on this bike and it's quite light which makes her feel confident on this model...

Dropping bikes is just not a money issue, it's a confident things also.. You never know when you are going to reach a spot where the ground is a little bit low and drop the bike if it's on the margin.. She felt so ashame when she dropped my GSXR 1000 -06, for me it was no biggie but I do understand how you feel when you've dropped it.

Yes, yes, and oh yes to all of that.

My gixxer is a nice size and weight for me, but even still...

My oggis saved me from some expensive repair work a few weeks back. Still cost me a mirror, but that I can live with. Even that zero speed topple on a sloping driveway has affected my confidence. Note to self: practice slow speed manouevring and clutch control in carparks more often.

It's enough to completely ruin your day!