FZR Vs ZZR [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Ryster

11th May 2010, 17:50

zahria

11th May 2010, 17:56

I like the look of the Yammie, but at the end of the day its about comfort, fit and the condition of the bike.
Good luck, best part of buying a bike is the testriding.

CookMySock

11th May 2010, 18:28

The FZR will be a much more interesting bike to be on. It has an inline-four-cylinder engine, so it screams like the hounds of hell are after it, and has a great power band as well. You will be tempted to ride its ass off everywhere you go, if you're into that.

The ZZR is comparatively "flat" in terms of performance, but there are much more 2nd hand parts available for it. Also it is a less complex bike to ride.

So it depends on your preferences. I'd go for the FZR, unless you found it too intimidating, then go for the ZZR.

Chalk and cheese.

Steve

Steve

sil3nt

11th May 2010, 18:38

ZZR is very similar to the GPX 250 (same engine). Should be a fairly comfortable ride. Will be good on fuel and reliable.

FZR is a proper sports 250 so will go like a cut cat compared to the ZZR. Comfort is down to what you want fuel and reliability probably won't be as good as the ZZR.

blackdog

11th May 2010, 18:39

fzr everytime. the zzr is only a twin and not nearly as much fun.

fzr has a more aggresive riding position, the zzr more upright.

still....your comfort is more important than what anyone here says..............

miloking

11th May 2010, 19:24

Laxi

11th May 2010, 19:30

i had the ZZR, now i got an FZR400.

I want the bloody ZZR back!!! :crybaby:

Laxi

11th May 2010, 19:38

FZR!, also did you see the Kms on the ZZR(oh and the color!)...no brainer.

kms?? 38k"? my ZZR was on 106k when I wrote her off. shit, I did more ks than that between oil changes! :rofl:

Ryster

11th May 2010, 20:00

Im going more towards the fzr. going to test ride them both and see how that goes. Do the fzrs have problems with valves? I read they did but im not sure about it, always thought yamahas are good bikes.

CookMySock

11th May 2010, 20:09

i had the ZZR, now i got an FZR400. I want the bloody ZZR back!!! :crybaby:Whut? Why?

Steve

CyclistToo

11th May 2010, 20:26

I bought a 89 FZR about 2 months ago and already love it :) Fuel is a bit under 200kms per tank (roughly $23 currently).
At mate, who just got his learners, bought a ZZR last weekend and I rode that about 50kms back to his place for him. It's a good bike but more upright/less sporty. Super easy to ride.

As others have said if you like the sporty feel and response get the FZR.

Laxi

11th May 2010, 20:47

Whut? Why?

Steve

the only issue I had with the ZZR was on rides with biger bikes it lacked acceleration, and pull uphill.
Apart from that, it hugged corners, 1 well ballanced bike, could cruise at 160 indicated (still had 4000 rpm left), 320ks on a tank of gas, and after 4 - 5 hrs on the bike i could stand up streight

FZR= better acceleration and up hill, very front heavy ( to the point of the back brake not being touched at all, cause the rear loves to lock), really hard to lean the bike into corners compared to the ZZR, 200k and your looking for a gas station asap, and after a long ride I'm doing my best impression of a hunchback

verdict is if you like going fast in a streight line I'd take my fizzer, but if like me you prefer slower, twisty roads, like I said, I miss my ZZR

Fuel is a bit under 200kms per tank.

:blink: 250 should have the same size tank as the 400, if thats a 250 i'd love to know whats been done to it so it gets the same millage as my 400 with streight pipes

HappyGOriding

11th May 2010, 22:12

Go for the zzr more comfortable and more forgiving

CookMySock

12th May 2010, 09:36

the only issue I had with the ZZR was on rides with biger bikes it lacked acceleration, and pull uphill.
Apart from that, it hugged corners, 1 well ballanced bike, could cruise at 160 indicated (still had 4000 rpm left), 320ks on a tank of gas, and after 4 - 5 hrs on the bike i could stand up streight

FZR= better acceleration and up hill, very front heavy ( to the point of the back brake not being touched at all, cause the rear loves to lock), really hard to lean the bike into corners compared to the ZZR, 200k and your looking for a gas station asap, and after a long ride I'm doing my best impression of a hunchback

verdict is if you like going fast in a streight line I'd take my fizzer, but if like me you prefer slower, twisty roads, like I said, I miss my ZZR

:blink: 250 should have the same size tank as the 400, if thats a 250 i'd love to know whats been done to it so it gets the same millage as my 400 with streight pipesAgree with all of that. FZR will be a lot more work to ride.

ZZR = comfy economical learner/commuter that is easy to corner.

FZR = sports trainer that you have to corner properly or it wants to go straight ahead.

Steve

MSTRS

12th May 2010, 09:56

:blink: 250 should have the same size tank as the 400, if thats a 250 i'd love to know whats been done to it so it gets the same millage as my 400 with streight pipes

Performance 250 4s will use heaps of gas. Unless you are being a total nana, and even then...
What's with 11,000kms on a 21yo bike?

CookMySock

12th May 2010, 16:46

What's with 11,000kms on a 21yo bike?It will be a recent jap import. Often japanese people will buy such a bike and just leave it in the house as an ornament, and riding very very occasionally.

Steve

Milts

12th May 2010, 17:38

I could just possibly be biased, but...

I'd go for a ZZR over a FZR. I can't check out the links at work so I don't know how they compare in terms of prices and condition.

I have a ZZR250 and it is insanely reliable. Given that it's nearly 20 years old, and the abuse it's survived, I'm amazed that it runs. But not only that, it runs well. I rode it wellington - Taupo for a track day on Friday, rode the track on Saturday, and rode it back on the Sunday. It ran without a hitch the whole way and I could still walk the next day.

It's true that it doesn't pull too well up steep hillls, especially above about 80KPH, but it really truly loves corners. Handles brilliantly from about 30KPH on - slower than this it's a bit heavy, especially for a 250. I think my only real gripe with it is that the mirrors are the exact same height as most car mirrors, so when splitting I sometimes pull one or both of them in to avoid clipping people.

Also, ZZRs look so much sexier than FZRs. Hands down.

SPman

12th May 2010, 17:48

Good all round bike - go ZZR
Want a sports bike - go FZR
Many yrs ago a friend had an FZR250 - got the same fuel consumption as my FZR750 - was fun to ride hard, though....

miloking

12th May 2010, 19:04

Good all round bike - go ZZR
Want a sports bike - go FZR
Many yrs ago a friend had an FZR250 - got the same fuel consumption as my FZR750 - was fun to ride hard, though....

I belive it my CBR1000 uses little bit less fuel than my GSF400 did (especialy on open road)

blackdog

12th May 2010, 19:26

Also, ZZRs look so much sexier than FZRs. Hands down.

solvent abuse is baddddd

R1madness

13th May 2010, 09:41

FZR = sports trainer that you have to corner properly or it wants to go straight ahead.

Steve
Shit man are you on drugs? The FZR is a mint little bike that will go around any corner you point it at. Never had one try to go straight ahead if you try to turn it......

Crazy Steve

13th May 2010, 09:56

Im going to go look at 2 bikes on wednesday

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=289391041

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=289346603

Not sure which one to go for. I prefer the look and style of the yamaha but dont know much about the performance, fuel costs or reliability of them. Any advice would be great.

I would go the ZZR250 and try flashing $2,000.00 in cash in front of the sellers face....Servicing is easier in the ZZR250..And maybe 20kms differnce in the top speed..

The FZR250 being a 21year old bike claiming to done 11,000kms is abit of a tall claim...(523kms per year WTF!) and at $3,000.00 I wouldnt touch it. ! !

I would also say the ZZR250 is always gonna be a easier sell when it comes to up grade time again..

Crazy Steve.

Crazy Steve

13th May 2010, 10:04

It will be a recent jap import. Often japanese people will buy such a bike and just leave it in the house as an ornament, and riding very very occasionally.

Steve

DangerousBastard Ichi Ban Baka Des.

Crazy Steve.

R1madness

13th May 2010, 10:06

Hey Steve, Its entirely possable that the bike is genuine km. We see lots of old low km bikes in Japan. Last month i sold a Ducati M900 1995 with a GENUINE 1480km on it. If the condition matches the mileage (remember to allow for std jap import oxidation on alloy parts and fastners) then the little fizzer will be a fantastic bike. Nothing wrong with the ZZRs either i just find most people outgrow them before they are finished their licence (hmm maybe i should be recomending the ZZRs so i can sell more bikes), while most people get right thru on a sports 250 before they trade out of it.
Both are reliable, fun, and realitively inexpencive to maintain. Tyre costs will be similar, as will most other parts. The FZR will use more gas if you hammer it but it will also be more fun once you get a bit of riding time.

CookMySock

13th May 2010, 14:41

Shit man are you on drugs? The FZR is a mint little bike that will go around any corner you point it at. Never had one try to go straight ahead if you try to turn it......Upright bikes are easier for learners. There is less weight on the bars, bar pressure is lower, bike tends to tip in automatically, easier to steer with the arse, less discipline required, etc etc.

Low-bar bikes require a firm push on the bars to corner, or they simply won't, which is where a lot of learners come unstuck. This is good training for those so-inclined, but they better be ahead of the bike or else... Also, learners quickly learn not to lean on the bars, especially when they discover the bike wants to dive deeply into the corner when using a larger angle of lean - I believe "twitchy as fuck" is the term used.

Upright bikes = simple. Low-bar sport bikes = complex.

Steve

sil3nt

13th May 2010, 15:31

Hyo gt250r is pretty much a sports bike position and it was a heck of a lot easy to get into corners than my upright gpx!

R-Soul

13th May 2010, 17:07

The fact is that sports bikes have a lean angle to make sure weight is more balanced 50/50 for better crnering. Else sports bikes would not have the lean at all (since it is uncomfortable). Sorts bikes generealy turn in sharper because they have steering geometry that is designed to do so. And they have better suspension since high speed cornering is expected and designed for. This is why they are usually quite stable in corners.

In fact they should be better everywhere except comfort and fuel usage.

Try the CBR 250RR - you will never look back. Not too bad for comfort either. And better build quality.

tigertim20

14th May 2010, 19:24

speaking from personal experience, id go for the zzr over those two. my experience of IL4 yamaha 250's is that they are extremely unreliable. others may have had a differnt experience. DB is pissing on about how awesome inlines are blah blah, but he rides a twin, and i dunno if hes ever even owned an inline...

anyway, to the point, if you want inline 4, Id go for a honda, then a kwak..... yammy would be at the bottom of my list, but hey thats just me.