Would YOU allow this?

[nudemetalz]

Where is the line between protecting your child and getting killed yourself?
All I can say is PRICKS !!!!!!! :angry::angry::angry:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3686541/Gang-member-assaults-child-over-red-shirt-police

"A four-year-old boy has been assaulted while playing in a Bay of Plenty park - simply because he was wearing a red shirt, the colour associated with the Mongrel Mob gang, say police.

The boy was playing in Whakatane's Cutler Crescent reserve last week when the gang member, thought to be in his mid 20s to early 30s, approached the child while his father's back was turned, poked him in the chest and shouted at him to remove the shirt, said Senior Sergeant Bruce Jenkins of Whakatane police.

The man then physically removed the shirt from the boy before his father could intervene.

Whakatane is known as the territory of the Black Power gang, which is associated with blue-coloured clothing.

The boy's parents, who were shocked by the incident, declined to comment, but Mr Jenkins said police were treating it very seriously.

"We are very concerned about the age of the victim in this incident. That someone is picking on a kid in this manner is very worrying and we are looking to hold them to account for their actions.

"I think this offender is despicable and the police are intent on finding out who is responsible."

The man was described as a male Maori, clean shaven with black short hair and about 170cm tall. He was wearing a blue T-shirt with "Whakatane" in white lettering on the front, black pants and blue bandannas around his wrists and neck.

There have been a number of gang colour-related assaults in the Bay of Plenty recently.

In November last year a teenager was assaulted by a group in the carpark of the Whakatane Pak'N Save because he was wearing a red t-shirt.

In January last year Murupara 16-year-old Jordan Herewini was run down and killed outside his home by a vehicle stolen from a family member.

Mongrel Mob members from Kawerau were charged with his murder. At the time of the slaying, the boy was wearing a yellow shirt - a colour associated with the rival Tribesmen gang."

[Taz]

Feck me! What colours are safe to wear down there in hicksville? Should the shooting of gang members be legalised?

[phill-k]

catch the pricks, inject them with large quantities of estrogen so they grow breasts and send them to prison.:angry:

[nallac]

Should the shooting of gang members be legalised?

Yes!, along with beating,stabbing, running over with cars forklifts trucks etc and anything that ends with their slow painful death.....

[Jonno.]

Where is the bamboo wielding mobs when you need them eh?

[slofox]

Where is the bamboo wielding mobs when you need them eh?

Best I be dustin' off me pitchfork, huh?

[nallac]

Best I be dustin' off me pitchfork, huh?

just make sure its blunt an rusty...gotta hurt more

[avgas]

Don't worry about the painful death. Just quick, and painless.
dribble like this needs to nipped in the bud.
What happened to the bad old days when you would 'tow' them out of town.

[Dave Lobster]

What happened to the bad old days when you would 'tow' them out of town.

They got stamped on when the white hoods were banned in favour of the black ones!!
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[Brian d marge]

bet the 4 yr old was way to big and scary for that staunch tough Maori lad
But we the general public shouldn't worry, the local Bobby on the beat would have known who it was and dealt to it

The park would have been part of his beat and he would have been there in seconds

then the Justice system would prevail and a couple of months hard Yakka would have been metered out and tough boy wouldn't re-offend

Thats what would have happened ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, once upon a time

Stephen

BTW ,,,heard Pink is a safe colour to wear unless The LOST Unwashed Mobmen have claimed it

[rainman]

Jail time, and make sure all the other inmates know it's for assaulting a 4 year old.

Won't happen twice.

[Mudfart]

his own gang will sort him out, for bringing their activities into public disgrace. i often wonder when walking round north waikato if my blue shirts or red shirts are going to get me killed. it never happens, but hell the grubbermints gotta start doing something.

[Trudes]

FFS!! Next they'll be ripping the stretch and grows off infants in prams. Christ we have some neanderthals in this country (I know it isn't just ours, but fuck gang culture bullshit is pathetic).

[MIXONE]

I am ashamed to admit it's my old hometown.

[SS90]

You know, this brings my mind to how Michael Laws for banned gang patches etc in Wanganui........ I am in favour of it (the ban), BUT, I wonder if, somehow, this prohibition could be causing the brain dead oxygen thief's to resort to this wanky "colour code" system of "flying their colours", and, inadvertently elevating this problem.

I hope not!

I also feel this will "get worse before it gets better", but, there will be a point when kiwi's will stand together and purge NZ of this pond scum.

I thought it would happen with the Kahui murders (among others)

[mashman]

but, there will be a point when kiwi's will stand together and purge NZ of this pond scum.


to quote the little Ozzy off of the M10 ad... "Maaaate, yer dreamin"... society needs to change BIG TIME to spur the people of the country into that sort of action...

[CookMySock]

LOL wtf it's a fucking shirt. Some people are just useless animals. They have no idea how they feel at all.

Steve

[rustyrobot]

You know, this brings my mind to how Michael Laws for banned gang patches etc in Wanganui........ I am in favour of it (the ban), BUT, I wonder if, somehow, this prohibition could be causing the brain dead oxygen thief's to resort to this wanky "colour code" system of "flying their colours", and, inadvertently elevating this problem.

I hope not!

I also feel this will "get worse before it gets better", but, there will be a point when kiwi's will stand together and purge NZ of this pond scum.

I thought it would happen with the Kahui murders (among others)

It seems pretty clear that banning gang patches is in NO WAY going to help with the gang problem. It's sort of like the old ideas of not talking about sexual abuse. Hiding things under the carpet just makes it harder to confront them. Ban colours and something else will signify allegiances. A rolled-up trouser leg, or a certain brand of boots, or a cap worn in a particular way, or a tattoo of some sort. Knee-jerk reactionary politicing does more for politicians careers than the safety of our communities.

I don't know of any country that has effectively dealt with gang crime. I know that this incident is particularly emotive, but there are gangs of all sorts in effect here and all round the world. White supremacists, Asian triads, East european mafioso, Maori street gangs, Biker gangs. I think that ripping the t-shirt off a child is abominable, but by NO means anywhere near the worst of gang crime in New Zealand.

Have you seen the follow-up article in today's paper about Black Power saying that THEY will punish the person who threatened the kid. They don't want this attention. Newspaper coverage is bad for their drug business.

I suspect that gang behaviour and mentality is something very deep-rooted in the human psyche. I think the same behaviour is represented by corprate entities that will pursue profit at any cost, including intimidation, murder and manipulation. As long as our communal global behaviour is so drenched in hypocrisy, our actions to curb violence will come up short. The idea that we can use violence to impose what WE want on others is at the heart of gang violence, war, corporate exploitation of developing nations and the environment - and also the majority of 'justice' systems.

Not that I have any solutions, but I do believe that using vigilante violence to run whoever you don't like out of town will contribute to our social problems with violence rather than solve them.

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." --H.L. Mencken

[SS90]

to quote the little Ozzy off of the M10 ad... "Maaaate, yer dreamin"... society needs to change BIG TIME to spur the people of the country into that sort of action...

It's MY lucid dream, and I will steer it in the direction I want.:clap:

Yea, your right, society needs to change big time to bring around that sort of combined public action (to many people are only worried about themselves, and if something does not impact their lives, then no action is taken....... I honestly do feel that it will happen at some stage though....perhaps we could speed things up by giving some big homes in "upper class" neighbourhoods to the Killer Bees, Black POwer, The Mongrol Mob (etc), for them to start up their operations, and see how fast NZ mobilises.

By NZ, I mean the Police.

[mashman]

It's MY lucid dream, and I will steer it in the direction I want.:clap: Sounds vaguely familiar :)



perhaps we could speed things up by giving some big homes in "upper class" neighbourhoods to the Killer Bees, Black POwer, The Mongrol Mob (etc), for them to start up their operations, and see how fast NZ mobilises.


:rofl: you mean put the "gang" criminals in with the "professional" criminals? sounds like a recipe for disaster to me :)


By NZ, I mean the Police.

By NZ i mean the people :yes: ... the police can't do everything...

[oldrider]

his own gang will sort him out, for bringing their activities into public disgrace. i often wonder when walking round north waikato if my blue shirts or red shirts are going to get me killed. it never happens, but hell the grubbermints gotta start doing something.

True but historically it goes like this.

The grubberment already did something about 100 years or more ago, they formed and commissioned a "police force" and empowered them to act to protect the community!

Subsequent gubberments have gradually disempowered, disenfranchised and humiliated them in favour of promoting the gangs and "their" rights to intimidate the community instead!

[Quasievil]

Fuck how would ya feel working at the Whakatane Warehouse??

Whakatane just needs to have a red T shirt day to celebrate freedom and democracy or perhaps something a little more controversial

[toycollector10]

Nothings going to change. We're a nation of bleating sheep. Something similarly disgusting will happen next week and by June it will be forgotten. Just like the tagging problem in this country, there's no political will to fix this. The offender should be prosecuted for assault and have the book thrown at him. But, I doubt the police are even going to follow up on this.

[Jonathan]

Judging from what I read in this morning's paper, that dude is going to get a serious hiding from his own gang when they find him.

[raftn]

Wat a brave man taking on a four year old! Fucking dickhead........

[nudemetalz]

Judging from what I read in this morning's paper, that dude is going to get a serious hiding from his own gang when they find him.

Yup,...the battle begins....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3689417/Gang-vows-to-punish-young-boys-attacker

"Black Power gang members have vowed to hunt down and punish a gang affiliate who attacked a preschooler in a playground because he wore a red shirt.

The abuse of the four-year-old, as his father's back was turned, is the latest of several violent gang "colours" incidents. It has sparked outrage within gang circles and from the police minister.

The little boy was screamed at, prodded, then had his shirt ripped off him as he played in Whakatane's Cutler Crescent reserve about 3.30pm last Thursday.

The street is home to many blue colour-coded Black Power members. The rival Mongrel Mob's colours are red.

A patched Black Power member who lives in the street said last night: "We are not happy with this. We are keeping a watch out for the guy. If he is found we will give him a good clouting."

Police describe the man as a Maori in his 20s, wearing a blue T-shirt and with blue bandannas around his neck and wrists.

Inspector Greg Sparrow said the attacker may not be a formal member of the Black Power, but part of a "wannabe" youth group.

The attack also outraged Police Minister Judith Collins: "Anyone who attacks a four-year-old child is a gutless coward who should be ashamed of themselves."

Black Power life member Denis O'Reilly damned the attack as something beyond even hardened gangsters. "Colours are just colours. Wherever there has been an unsanctioned attack, the gangsters will send in a troubleshooter and it is sorted internally. They will usually get a bashing. This guy has brought shame to his Black's leadership."

In 2007, Christchurch chef Shyan Ricky Hill was sentenced to two years' jail for stabbing one of a group of gang youths who attacked him because of his red sweatshirt.

In 2008, Paul Shane Kumeroa, who had no gang connections, was axed to death by four Whanganui Black Power affiliates, because he was wearing a red hoodie.

Last January, a 16-year-old Bay of Plenty boy was run down and killed by Mongrel Mob members because he was wearing yellow, the colour of the rival Tribesmen gang.

Whanganui Mayor Michael Laws, whose town has a "no patches policy", called for gangs to be outlawed. "What we really want is a no-gangs policy. They are evil and require their banning by legislation."

Justice Minister Simon Power said there were already provisions in the Crimes Act covering intimidation and assault.

"We have given police expanded surveillance powers, doubled the penalty for participation in an organised criminal group from five to 10 years, made participating in a gang an aggravating factor at sentencing, and allowed local councils to seek a removal order against gang structures that are intimidating."

[Mudfart]

see told ya, his own gang will sort him out, even to them its not acceptable. he would have been on drugs and or alcohol at the time too.
i lived my first 20 yrs in aucklands north shore, no gang shit. then moved to manurewa, gang shit, but provided you drove down the road with your blinkers on and didnt LOOK at anyone you were ok.
I know it sounds fucked, but yes, you actually couldnt LOOK at anyone!.
Now i live in small rural areas outside auckland and its a pity, but there are gangsta wannabes running every small town thats not a major city.
Our culture is infested with em.

The cop that got bashed in Tuakau?. Two got bashed in Ngaruwhahia one month apart. One was king hit from behind by a youth.....

[Maha]

LOL wtf it's a fucking shirt. Some people are just useless animals. They have no idea how they feel at all.

Steve

Tis the Culture Steve.
The wider BOP has it own pockets of 'Colour' coded areas (Red or Blue)
Even in Rotorua mate....they have the Mongrel Mob at one end of town and Black Power at the other, and never the twain shall meet.
If they do, its all on for young and old.
You dont really see the gangs around like ya use to 20 years ago but they are there.
I remember watching a massive fight outside the Palace Tavern (Arawa st) one Friday night, Black Power beatin' the shit out of one and other (started by a bloke smacking his sister) the cops should have just let them go.

Palace Tavern is gone now and so has the MM's drinking place at Whaka (what was that called?)
Got pulled down, what a shame.....:shifty:

[avgas]

So let me get this straight you can't wear the following:
-Red
-Blue
-Yellow

What a bunch of wankers. If I ever lose the plot - the first thing I will do is acquire one of those love LAV's the NZ Army has. Then go talk to some men about removing a fence.

Anyone got keys to a LAV?

[avgas]

Even in Rotorua mate....they have the Mongrel Mob at one end of town and Black Power at the other, and never the twain shall meet.
If they do, its all on for young and old.
Not entirely true - seems they have a bit of a Navajo trail thing I have been told.

[Maha]

Not entirely true - seems they have a bit of a Navajo trail thing I have been told.

I just thought of that other Pub.....The Geyser Tavern!
Anyway...um Navajo ya say?..... nope never did see any squaw, whaka blondes but no squaw.

[saxet]

It seems pretty clear that banning gang patches is in NO WAY going to help with the gang problem. It's sort of like the old ideas of not talking about sexual abuse. Hiding things under the carpet just makes it harder to confront them. Ban colours and something else will signify allegiances. A rolled-up trouser leg, or a certain brand of boots, or a cap worn in a particular way, or a tattoo of some sort. Knee-jerk reactionary politicing does more for politicians careers than the safety of our communities.

I don't know of any country that has effectively dealt with gang crime. I know that this incident is particularly emotive, but there are gangs of all sorts in effect here and all round the world. White supremacists, Asian triads, East european mafioso, Maori street gangs, Biker gangs. I think that ripping the t-shirt off a child is abominable, but by NO means anywhere near the worst of gang crime in New Zealand.

Have you seen the follow-up article in today's paper about Black Power saying that THEY will punish the person who threatened the kid. They don't want this attention. Newspaper coverage is bad for their drug business.

I suspect that gang behaviour and mentality is something very deep-rooted in the human psyche. I think the same behaviour is represented by corprate entities that will pursue profit at any cost, including intimidation, murder and manipulation. As long as our communal global behaviour is so drenched in hypocrisy, our actions to curb violence will come up short. The idea that we can use violence to impose what WE want on others is at the heart of gang violence, war, corporate exploitation of developing nations and the environment - and also the majority of 'justice' systems.

Not that I have any solutions, but I do believe that using vigilante violence to run whoever you don't like out of town will contribute to our social problems with violence rather than solve them.

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." --H.L. Mencken


Thats long, scary but , in my opinion accurate.

[avgas]

I just thought of that other Pub.....The Geyser Tavern!
Anyway...um Navajo ya say?..... nope never did see any squaw, whaka blondes but no squaw.
War trail from one gang HQ to town to the other HQ.
Apparently a no go area when you see the colors out.
t'was what I was told dunno if its true.

[munster]

well I might just head into Whakatane in my NZ Blood Donor T-shirt. Anyone know any good pubs to visit?

[firefighter]

Solution. Pit of death. There will never be another way. Cull em' off as they come along.

[SS90]

Solution. Pit of death. There will never be another way. Cull em' off as they come along.

With out trying to sound like a bleeding heart liberal, AND, every part of my body agreeing with the "pit of death" solution, I guess it would be timely to remind us all that prevention is better that the cure, and (broken record time), the increase of incidents of (extreme) violence is in direct corralation to the "P" epidemic.

I'm sorry to bring it back to that, but facts are facts.

I will admit I am an idealist, and, as such, I have flawed thinking when it comes to such things, but really, it boils down to how bad the (general) public are at raising their kids.

In the lower end of the income spectrum, we constantly hear stories of abused, neglected kids (the Kahui twins story), and a "system" that fails to protect them, not only because of people "missing warning signs", but also because the "system" is grossly under funded, but, as a by product of the funding issue, also poorly staffed and under resourced.

We spend millions on roads, bridges, etc, just to cut our travel time/ ease congestion, (think of any other example you like), but, when it comes to the safety, wellbeing and education of our "at risk" kids, we all cry in outrage when it comes to a wee kid being (in this case) assaulted, or (even worse) killed, but then we forget about it (because the All Blacks are playing!!!!!!!!!!!, or what ever), and, in reality, all we have to do is increase EDUCATION resources (as they do in other countries) and stop the problem before it starts.

Increase not only the number of teachers, but increase their wages, (really easy to do, just lower the tax they pay) reduce their hours (not the student hours, just the teachers), and you will see an instant increase in the motivation from the teachers that will flow on to the students.

Also, the kids will see their teachers with a (highish) level of income, and think "hey, that's a good option for me, I'll study, work hard and become a teacher!"

It's called a "role model"......we need more......

The problem is not what these people are doing, it's WHY they are doing it that needs to be addressed.

They are uneducated, and trying to make a living. Crime is their only option. Because, really, would you employ someone with no skills?

the "system" left these people with no skills, let's change that before we all get beaten to death for wearing a black polo neck.

[firefighter]

With out trying to sound like a bleeding heart liberal, AND, every part of my body agreeing with the "pit of death" solution, I guess it would be timely to remind us all that prevention is better that the cure,

Yep. To achieve the ideal of the prevention rather than cure, which is what's been tried for the last million years and achieved nothing, we need to cull off the shit now, alongside the positive role model situation. You cannot have one without the other, it's been tried and does'nt work.

I am however so far right I need a cane to lean on........

[imdying]

Fucking black power make me laugh... apparently they don't think it's right to beat up 4 year olds. How very nice of them to have the dreggs of a social concience.

So gangsters, at what age does it become acceptable to bully, intimidate, rob, assault, or otherwise abuse people? 5 years old? 8 years old? 13? 18? 21? Stupid thugs.

[Dave Lobster]

Fucking black power make me laugh... apparently they don't think it's right to beat up 4 year olds. How very nice of them to have the dreggs of a social concience.

So gangsters, at what age does it become acceptable to bully, intimidate, rob, assault, or otherwise abuse people? 5 years old? 8 years old? 13? 18? 21? Stupid thugs.

As soon as they're white, I think you'll find.

[imdying]

No, that can't be right, that sounds racist, and only middle class whites can be racists :no:

[Dave Lobster]

No, that can't be right, that sounds racist, and only middle class whites can be racists :no:

Rubbish. Racism is a crime.. and crime is for n*ggers. ;)

[husky450]

A teenager got beaten up on Napier several weeks ago for wearing a red t-shirt as well. Then one of my workmates sons got hassled for having red laces on his school shoes.
maybe we all need to start wearing white hoods to show we don't belong to one of the gangs