What should I do- Truck shitting all over the place

[rocketman1]

I was in the cage travelling Hamilton to Tauranga up the Kaimais today.
Nearing the top on the windy bits was the stock truck, dropping effluent out the back like a stream of shit all over the road, heaps of it. Had Waharoa Trans pt on the door
I took the licence plate number and phoned *555 to report the bugger.
Was told by the man on the end that he didnt think it was an offence to pour shit all over the road.
I told if I hit that shit on my motorbike I would be off.
He said he would log my call and see what happens
I got a call back a lady saying I should officially lay a complaint and gave me web site to go to.l

Asking you guys ... What should I do is worth pursuing or will I get fobbed off.

I know alot bikers hammer this road over the weekend, I would hate see someone fall off on this shit.

[MadDuck]

Phone the company that he is driving for. Tell them you are going to lay a formal complaint with the police.

Meantime lay a complaint on the website. Dont let them fob you off.

[98tls]

Phone the company that he is driving for. Tell them you are going to lay a formal complaint with the police.

Meantime lay a complaint on the website. Dont let them fob you off.

What he/she said,fwiw if it was that bad why didnt you tell him yourself?

[Fatt Max]

Phone the company that he is driving for. Tell them you are going to lay a formal complaint with the police.

Meantime lay a complaint on the website. Dont let them fob you off.

Yep yep yep, do exactly that.

The company / driver is creating a serious motoring hazard by letting this shit get on the road, same as a truck leaking diesel everywhere.

Go for it mate, complain like buggery cos that is not right.

Well done for phoning through, a great start....

[red mermaid]

If the truck had stock on there is no offence, as stock effluent is specifically exempt from the requirements of the loading code for HMV's.

If it was coming from a holding tank there maybe an offence.

[MadDuck]

If the truck had stock on there is no offence, as stock effluent is specifically exempt from the requirements of the loading code for HMV's
So I maybe thick or summit. You are telling me it is legal for these companies to dump effluent all over the road so an unsuspecting member of public on a bike or in a car can skid on it and crash?

[98tls]

If the truck had stock on there is no offence, as stock effluent is specifically exempt from the requirements of the loading code for HMV's.

If it was coming from a holding tank there maybe an offence.

Load of bollocks really eh.We get a lot of it down here in hicksville,followed one for a few kms in the ute once when heading down to Hampden to go fishing,fucker had an endless river of shit spewing onto the road in front of us so when surprisingly he stopped outside the somewhat famous Hampden fish n chippy for a feed we parked up at the beach turn-off grabbed a bucket out of the back of the ute and all pissed in it then pulled up in front of the truck and threw it over his windscreen much to his dismay.

[trailblazer]

If the truck had stock on there is no offence, as stock effluent is specifically exempt from the requirements of the loading code for HMV's.

If it was coming from a holding tank there maybe an offence.
If any of that crap went onto your car the company in question is liable for getting your car cleaned or polished. The acid in cow crap causes steel to corrod just look how rusty the underside of a farmers ute is. I have polished alot of cars over the years that has had cow crap over it all paid for by the transport company.

[Cayman911]

Ah that sickens me and pisses me off. i see that alot. especially with this one truck carrying saw dust or some shit. created a bloody sand storm behind it.

and do share that website of yours

[soundbeltfarm]

alot of the time the trucks lose all the shit because the farmers dont hold the stock before loading them onto the truck to empty them out.
i am not sticking up for the truck as i cant stand getting covered either but that is the normal reason they will use and at this time of year when all the heifer shifts are on they wont stop to empty their effluent tanks that the trucks have.so dont just blame the trucks for all that shit, alot of farmers are to blame too for not emptying stock out and no i am not a truck driver i am a farmer.

[Mudfart]

i have seen effluent dumping stations on the sides of roads though? I thought that was where they HAD to dump it, and dumping it on the road WAS an offense?

[That looks like fun]

Look on the left hand side of the road going up most major hills, all you see is a solid stream of cow shit:sick: Stock truck drivers think that the rest of the world needs to harden up as its only shit. :angry:
I have heard all the excuses "the farmers don't stand their stock Blah blah blah". At present the way the POLICE (not the law) operate is that if the truck is full of cattle they will not prosecute, if the effluent is coming from an empty unit they might :blink:
Forget all the slippery road corrosive stuff, shit is a Class 6.2 (infectious) Substance :shit:. It don't matter who's arse it comes from thats what it is so why do we tolerate it from cows? It can be stopped from getting onto the roads by good truck design and good drivers doing the job properly. :yes: The shit I described earlier lining the left hand side of most hills is caused by an illegal act, Stock truck drivers fail to wash out after unloading or even worse some fit air valves to the drain taps for the holding tanks and open them as they drive along the road in the dark.
Sure they will say there are not enough places they can leggaly drain the tanks, ask them to explain why the hill out of Te Kuiti is a sea of shit at present when the trucks have just left an Abbotoir with a wash out facility. Same for the Napier Taupo, same for Mt Messenger.
Stock truck drivers need to get there heads out of Farmers arses and stop thinking "oh its only cow shit" and start doing their job. Just because cows make a lot of money for this country doesnt mean we have to put up with evrything they produce. :yes:

[red mermaid]

Dont blame the drivers...it is a specific exemption in law that stock effluent is not considered part of the load for an insecure load offence, only while the vehicles are carrying stock, and not from the holding tanks.

Part of the problem is farmers. They are supposed to stand their stock 24 hours before cartage but the stories we are told do not back this up.

The exemption was given because of lobbying from farmer and transport companies. If its considered that much of a serious problem get BRONZ to get off there backside and do some lobbying, in conjunction with local authorities who have the problem of seal deteriation, and get the law changed.

I'm not excusing the behaviour of these transport operators, or trying to make an excuse for me not doing my job (as it is my area of expertese and work in police), I'm just explaining the way it is, and as I said before if you don't like it lobby to get it changed.

[duckonin]

Napier-Taupo road was really bad last Friday= shit everywhere on most corners that was from one end to other, had it been drizzling there may of been a lot of opps's, most of the problem is the lazy fat mutts that drive the trucks, to tired to check their tanks, farmers sure do create some of the problem but not all of it, the person in control after the farm (truckie) spreads it on the road.

This problem has been around since stock trucks were invented, they were made 20 years back to have tanks in their trucks to help but still the problem exists, a law does need to be passed making it an offence to contaminate a road it is a safety issue..

[red mermaid]

So kick your lobby groups into action and start lobbying.

Its not only safety, try living in a small town with a roundabout in the middle near a meat works and get a whiff of the spillage as they drop some of their load going round the roundabout.

Sooner you start the better as it will require an amendment to the Land Transport Act and that could require years to go through Parliament.



Napier-Taupo road was really bad last Friday= shit everywhere on most corners that was from one end to other, had it been drizzling there may of been a lot of opps's, most of the problem is the lazy fat mutts that drive the trucks, to tired to check their tanks, farmers sure do create some of the problem but not all of it, the person in control after the farm (truckie) spreads it on the road.

This problem has been around since stock trucks were invented, they were made 20 years back to have tanks in their trucks to help but still the problem exists, a law does need to be passed making it an offence to contaminate a road it is a safety issue..

[duckonin]

So kick your lobby groups into action and start lobbying.

Its not only safety, try living in a small town with a roundabout in the middle near a meat works and get a whiff of the spillage as they drop some of their load going round the roundabout.

Sooner you start the better as it will require an amendment to the Land Transport Act and that could require years to go through Parliament.

Yes your right some person did mention 'BRONZ' shall send them a mail and wait to see if any action

[red mermaid]

Good luck, last I heard they weren't even answering emails asking to join BRONZ!

[duckonin]

Yes they are a hard lot to get moving, but we shall see what transpires, I have just this minute sent an email to 'National of B.R.O.N.Z'.

Those that show concern on the same issue also may like to send an email..would be better than one!!

[Bounce001]

This is absolute bullshit (excuse the pun). How come it is an offence if effluent ponds on a farm leak, yet a stock truck is allowed to leak effulent all over the road. I thought this was made an offence a while back. Or was it just 'talked' about.

As for the Napier-Taupo road, there is no excuse if coming from the Taupo end as there are at least two effluent dumping areas for trucks that I know of in Taupo

[Swoop]

Sooner you start the better as it will require an amendment to the Land Transport Act and that could require years to go through Parliament.
An appropriate system to seal their diesel tank(s) to prevent spillage, would be good to have in that amendment as well.

[red mermaid]

They are not allowed to leak diesel or oil and are regularly checked (supposedly by the driver before each trip) by police officers specially trained to find defects in heavy motor vehicles.

The effluent dumping points can only be used by trucks with tanks and it can be offence to leak from a tank.

The problem is when they are carrying stock it is not an offence.

[rocketman1]

I have just filled in a police complaint report as the *555 lady officer told me to do. Will post it off to Wellington tomorrow.
I will let you know what happens.
If its not an offence I guess little will happen. SFA

I wonder if its an offence if I crap in the middle of the road?

[Usarka]

Also lay a complaint about the cock that refused to do anything about it at the time.

[MadDuck]

.....that much of a serious problem get BRONZ to get off there backside and do some lobbying, in conjunction with local authorities who have the problem of seal deteriation, and get the law changed.

Thats very funny ...

[willytheekid]

This post brought back some HORRIBLE memorys!
Had one of those big buggers dump his turd tank.....ON ME!! (many years ago....but I's remembers the smell )
I had to stand in my mates lawn while he hosed me down...I was coated head to toe in sh*% and piss!! was so bad I actually threw up in my helmet :sick:.
ahhhh NZ roads...theres always something or someone trying to SH*% on ya day eh

[Robert Taylor]

I was in the cage travelling Hamilton to Tauranga up the Kaimais today.
Nearing the top on the windy bits was the stock truck, dropping effluent out the back like a stream of shit all over the road, heaps of it. Had Waharoa Trans pt on the door
I took the licence plate number and phoned *555 to report the bugger.
Was told by the man on the end that he didnt think it was an offence to pour shit all over the road.
I told if I hit that shit on my motorbike I would be off.
He said he would log my call and see what happens
I got a call back a lady saying I should officially lay a complaint and gave me web site to go to.l

Asking you guys ... What should I do is worth pursuing or will I get fobbed off.

I know alot bikers hammer this road over the weekend, I would hate see someone fall off on this shit.

Yep, effluent and diesel spills are two of the most criminal acts and companies that do this should be fined very very heavily. They are playing with peoples lives. This is an issue thats in the ''hard pile'' for Governments of the day but it jolly well shouldnt be.

[oldrider]

Where do you find the minister of transports E-mail address?

We should just flood them with copies of this thread!

Stock effluent on our roads is becoming a bigger problem every day!

Add it together with all the other obstacles dropped onto the road by other vehicles and our share of the road gets smaller and smaller!

The choices of lines on corners get less and less so what are "we" paying so much registration/ ACC etc for?

Just so other road users can make it more dangerous for us and they make "us" pay for it!

Be careful it is currently the season for wood choppers dropping bits of firewood on the roads too! :shit: Sheesh, it never ends! :brick:

[sels1]

Depending on where you live I believe some councils have By-laws that cover this issue? Could be another avenue to pursue...

[Bad Gixxer]

Aahhhh......fond memories of riding MY RD350 when it was near new back in the 70's, going around a right hand bend, stock truck coming the opposite direction.....sun setting majestically behind the truck as I apexed the bend.....voluminous amounts of piss and shit (and I mean freakin' dozens of gallons!) cascade off the back of the truck as it rounds the bend and it makes a pretty awesome sight with the sun behind it. I come out looking as green as Kermit the Frog and my dog was all over me like a cheap suit when I got home. I was a fan of open face helmets until that day! :sick:

[duckonin]

Depending on where you live I believe some councils have By-laws that cover this issue? Could be another avenue to pursue...

Councils have heaps of By-Laws but fail to act on 99% of them Bloody hopeless really.(Did you get his registration number) sorry there is nothing we can do then.....But his company was !!! 'sorry without a registration number' and on it goes..

[rocketman1]

Councils have heaps of By-Laws but fail to act on 99% of them Bloody hopeless really.(Did you get his registration number) sorry there is nothing we can do then.....But his company was !!! 'sorry without a registration number' and on it goes..

Yeah I got his registration number, and have reported it.

[rocketman1]

Councils have heaps of By-Laws but fail to act on 99% of them Bloody hopeless really.(Did you get his registration number) sorry there is nothing we can do then.....But his company was !!! 'sorry without a registration number' and on it goes..

Yeah I got his registration number, and have reported it.

[duckonin]

This thread which is a serious issue seems to of gone POOF into the air only to be forgotton untill the next rant ..

10days back I sent an email to B.R.O.N.Z. about this matter still no reply from them, amd yes I am a member..

Come on B.R.O.N.Z. You want to be the bikers advocate then front up...

[red mermaid]

Mmm...thought this may happen.

A leader of BRONZ is great at chucking it at the Police but I think he needs to tidy his own house first and get that in order.

Perhaps you could also try a letter to your local MP and get the ball rolling that way.

FYI, a change to the definition of load under the Land Transport Act 1998, Section 2 (Interpretation) is what you would be seeking, and the removal of subsection (c), as below;

load—
(a) includes part of a load; and
(b) includes covers, ropes, ties, blocks, tackles, barrows, or other equipment or object used in the securing or containing of loads on vehicles or the loading or unloading of vehicles, whether or not any other load is on the vehicle; but
(c) does not include animal wastes discharged from animals being carried on a vehicle at the time

[muzz]

Its not the animal wastes discharged from animals being carried on a vehicle its the discharge from tanks on said vehicles that is the problem. You cant stop an animal from shitting between the railings on the vehicle. Its lazy drivers dumping there tanks. There are a lot of discharge points around. Im a truck driver and I see a lot of this happening and it annoys the hell out of me.

[Bald Eagle]

Its not the animal wastes discharged from animals being carried on a vehicle its the discharge from tanks on said vehicles that is the problem. You cant stop an animal from shitting between the railings on the vehicle. Its lazy drivers dumping there tanks. There are a lot of discharge points around. Im a truck driver and I see a lot of this happening and it annoys the hell out of me.

Or is it that they are too lazy to have dumped their tanks and its actually effluent tank overflow, cos they too full of shit ?

[muzz]

Or is it that they are too lazy to have dumped their tanks and its actually effluent tank overflow, cos they too full of shit ?

yea that too. Farmers that dont stand their stock and stress on the animals will make them shit more and tanks can fill up pretty quickly.
It's when you drive past a dump point and a couple of k's down the road you climb a hill and you see them dumping on the run as they climb. thats a problem.

[Jantar]

Dont blame the drivers...it is a specific exemption in law that stock effluent is not considered part of the load for an insecure load offence, only while the vehicles are carrying stock, and not from the holding tanks.

Part of the problem is farmers. They are supposed to stand their stock 24 hours before cartage but the stories we are told do not back this up.

The exemption was given because of lobbying from farmer and transport companies. If its considered that much of a serious problem get BRONZ to get off there backside and do some lobbying, in conjunction with local authorities who have the problem of seal deteriation, and get the law changed.

I'm not excusing the behaviour of these transport operators, or trying to make an excuse for me not doing my job (as it is my area of expertese and work in police), I'm just explaining the way it is, and as I said before if you don't like it lobby to get it changed.

I am unable to find such exemption; The relevent section of the Act (Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (as at 01 December 2009)) says:


Loads transported by vehicles to be secured
A person operating a motor vehicle on a road, and any person loading that vehicle, must ensure that any load carried in or on the vehicle, or in or on a vehicle being towed by the vehicle driven by the operator, is secured and contained in such a manner that it cannot fall or escape from the vehicle.

Can you point to the exemption?

Edit: I saw your later post on the definition of a load, and have now found it. thanks for that.

[duckonin]

I am unable to find such exemption; The relevent section of the Act (Land Transport Act 1998 No 110 (as at 01 December 2009)) says:



Can you point to the exemption?
I also am interested in the answer before knocking on a M.P's door, which I shall do, but first I must have all of my Q's and A's flawless

[rocketman1]

This thread which is a serious issue seems to of gone POOF into the air only to be forgotton untill the next rant ..

10days back I sent an email to B.R.O.N.Z. about this matter still no reply from them, amd yes I am a member..

Come on B.R.O.N.Z. You want to be the bikers advocate then front up...

I have a reply from the police, they thanked me for my concern and report of this truck, they are following up my report and will get back to me.
I was interested to note that I followed the same truck up the hill again last Tuesday. Guess what, truck full of cows, no shit coming out. Hmmmmm?