He is 20 FFS!

[Mom]

Two years and 4 months for this is astounding! He is 20 years of age, there is no hope for him, his kids, his partner/future partners. This sort of thing leaves me cold. There is a child here learning from his fathers knee. Castrate the bastards!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10645150

Scarey story this one, and oh so friggen typical.

[sunhuntin]

he shouldnt be castrated, he should be shot. i hope the partner sees sense and doesnt go back once hes out. if she does, then shes better off dead. if she does go back, then cyfs should remove the kids.

[Milts]

if she does go back, then cyfs should remove the kids.

Nuh uh, that would be the government intervening in people's private lives. This interventionist nanny state is ruining society and taxing those who work hard in order to do so. At least, that's the case many on this site seem to push time after time.

To be fair, 20 years old guys do a lot of stupid shit that they grow out of. Hopefully two years in jail should cure him of this stupidity... if not, then more time in prison is hardly going to make a difference to his attitude.

[Mom]

Nuh uh, that would be the government intervening in people's private lives. This interventionist nanny state is ruining society and taxing those who work hard in order to do so. At least, that's the case many on this site seem to push time after time.

To be fair, 20 years old guys do a lot of stupid shit that they grow out of. Hopefully two years in jail should cure him of this stupidity... if not, then more time in prison is hardly going to make a difference to his attitude.

You are a youngster eh? No disrespect mate, but...

Seriously the terrible things that happen like this are not a one off that someone will learn from by getting a bit of jail time to contemplate his naughtyness. Read the article properly. Here is a little snippet;

His father hit him with a cricket bat and held him while his partner got in a car.

Ngahuru got away, jumped on the bonnet, and smashed the windscreen. Both his partner and the baby got cuts and scratches.

His father used the bat again but Ngahuru shattered the driver's side window and punched his partner in the head and neck.

Ok, so incase you missed it, this is a family thing, no doubt the partner concerned has been raised in the same way. This is a terrible side of life in good old NZ.

Sunhuntin, I am still going with castration love, like father like son, like his poor baby that got cuts and scratches as a result of his behaviour, like his unborn child that he had no thought of when he...

"His partner ran, but Ngahuru went after her and punched her in the head and kicked her in the back as she sheltered the baby"

She is the same as him, victim of their upbringings...

[Gubb]

Another sad case of "Monkey See, Monkey Do" for the kids involved I imagine.

[mashman]

Another sad case of "Monkey See, Monkey Do" for the kids involved I imagine.

That's no excuse. You've got to be a complete cunt to subject anyone to that sort of treatment, let alone someone you love, holding a baby and 8 months pregnant... Take him bound and gagged to a womans refuge and let them deal with it... then throw the little fucker in jail (if he's still breathing)...

[Milts]

You are a youngster eh? No disrespect mate, but...

Seriously the terrible things that happen like this are not a one off that someone will learn from by getting a bit of jail time to contemplate his naughtyness. Read the article properly. Here is a little snippet;

His father hit him with a cricket bat and held him while his partner got in a car.

Ngahuru got away, jumped on the bonnet, and smashed the windscreen. Both his partner and the baby got cuts and scratches.

His father used the bat again but Ngahuru shattered the driver's side window and punched his partner in the head and neck.

Ok, so incase you missed it, this is a family thing, no doubt the partner concerned has been raised in the same way. This is a terrible side of life in good old NZ.

Sunhuntin, I am still going with castration love, like father like son, like his poor baby that got cuts and scratches as a result of his behaviour, like his unborn child that he had no thought of when he...

"His partner ran, but Ngahuru went after her and punched her in the head and kicked her in the back as she sheltered the baby"

She is the same as him, victim of their upbringings...

I take your point, and I did read the article thoroughly, but... a few questions, which I consider highly relevant.
If you were the father, and wanted to stop this, wouldn't a bat be more effective than talking to him while he's clearly drunk?
Is more time in prison, surrounded by criminals, likely to be the way to turn a violent, abusive youth, who comes from an abusive family, into a productive member of society?
Can you guarantee that in ten years he will still be the same person he is now? People can and do change a huge amount. Not always, and not always in a good way, but ten years is a very very long time.

[jamessmith]

You are a youngster eh? No disrespect mate, but...

Seriously the terrible things that happen like this are not a one off that someone will learn from by getting a bit of jail time to contemplate his naughtyness. Read the article properly. Here is a little snippet;

His father hit him with a cricket bat and held him while his partner got in a car.

Ngahuru got away, jumped on the bonnet, and smashed the windscreen. Both his partner and the baby got cuts and scratches.

His father used the bat again but Ngahuru shattered the driver's side window and punched his partner in the head and neck.

Ok, so incase you missed it, this is a family thing, no doubt the partner concerned has been raised in the same way. This is a terrible side of life in good old NZ.

Sunhuntin, I am still going with castration love, like father like son, like his poor baby that got cuts and scratches as a result of his behaviour, like his unborn child that he had no thought of when he...

"His partner ran, but Ngahuru went after her and punched her in the head and kicked her in the back as she sheltered the baby"

She is the same as him, victim of their upbringings...

not always the upbringing. This i know as my brother had a good up bringing and still ended up in jail.
some people are just bad eggs.

If I were his father and the only way to stop him hitting his wife and child, was to use a cricket bat... id bloddy well use the cricket bat.

[Katman]

I was in London when Once Were Warriors hit the scene.

The English couldn't believe that the movie portrayed a very real slice of Kiwi life rather than just being a good old Hollywood (type) action flick.

[Owl]

So Grandad failed twice with a cricket bat?

Kinda reminds me of that scene from Lock Stock.................... "What did you shoot im wiv, an air rifle?".

Anyway, that prick should be locked up longer than 28 months. Unfortunately, they don't remove sub-human bollocks or place bullets in the empty space that should house a brain.

[Rogue Rider]

Very sad state our nation is in. This stuff goes on all the time, and alot of it goes unreported or undisclosed. It is often accepted as a cultural thing, however it should be dealt with swiftly and calmly with the due punishment.
Makes me sick.

[Mom]

I was in London when Once Were Warriors hit the scene.

The English couldn't believe that the movie portrayed a very real slice of Kiwi life rather than just being a good old Hollywood (type) action flick.

Saddest part of this is it is largely "unknown" in our society. We only jump up and down when it hits headlines. All the handwringing when a child is killed, too many times the mother of that child has been dealt to time and time again without notice. So this bloke picked on his partner this time, what is to stop him from losing it with one of his babies in the future? The crying of one is reportedly what triggered this attack on his partner.

I used to do property management, one young girl came to me with a really dubious history. I investigated it, talked to her family and her. Talked to her previous landlords (Ministry of Housing). I decided to take a chance on her. Far canal she was so damaged, she took abuse from men she slept with. Not partners mind just random wankers that she allowed in her home. Black eyes/split lips/unpaid rent/damaged property/garages full of stolen cars that were full of rubbish, you name it it happened. I eventually evicted her. I was on first name basis with her parents who were respected business people in Christchurch. She was a bad egg, so I am not painting all parents with the brush I paint this fellas father with.

Her parents paid up all her rent for me, then made it really clear they did not want to hear from me, or her for that matter, again. I had insurance on the property to cover damage from a tenant. Scariest thing I found when we inspected after she had left. The inside door knobs off the childrens bedrooms. Poor little things. Locked in their rooms. Hate to think what they are up to now themselves. They will be 10 and 12 about now.

Dont get me wrong, I would kill to protect my babies if provoked but, I dont for one second think that this is that kind of scenario.

[boman]

Rule .303. He won't do it again, and it saves the tax payer a fortune in rehab and care whilst he is locked up.

I will donate the bullet.

[doc]

Your wasting your breath discussing stuff like this, another knee jerk reaction. Next week another incident will be popular. Katman made a reply today that a person a day dies on the road and it often doesnt even make the news.

Its the liberal society. Those that can afford it distance themselves further by becoming safer in their secure subdivisions that are close to the motorway so they can avoid the suburbs and get to wherever they are heading.

This sort of behaviour is becoming more normal every day.

[JimO]

Another sad case of "Monkey See, Monkey Do" for the kids involved I imagine.

monkey is right

[Laava]

Rule .303. He won't do it again, and it saves the tax payer a fortune in rehab and care whilst he is locked up.

I will donate the bullet.
I agree. Call Dr Winchester! Chk chk!

[CookMySock]

What a shame for the whole family that they never had the chance to acquire the tools they needed. Clearly feeling angry and inadequate, all they can see is their conditioning.

Steve

[JimO]

What a shame for the whole family that they never had the chance to acquire the tools they needed. Clearly feeling angry and inadequate, all they can see is their conditioning.

Steve
its the white mans fault for not wiping the lot of them out when they had the chance

[Paul in NZ]

I was in London when Once Were Warriors hit the scene.

The English couldn't believe that the movie portrayed a very real slice of Kiwi life rather than just being a good old Hollywood (type) action flick.

True - but a hell of a lot of people in england walk about their towns and cities ignoring that much violence and worse. Like a lot of places, englands GREAT if you have money but if you have to live and hang out with the dregs - good luck!

There is a LOT of reasons this stuff happens and I certainly don't have any answers of what to do about it but I do know just tell prople like this that they are bad and that this is unacceptable etc won't work. It just breaks my heart really - so much energy and time is wasted on this stuff, imagine if we could divert all the effort that goes into resolving this crap into something productive? (actually, if we had jobs for these people maybe there wouldnt be so much of this and... oh dear, my head hurts now)

[Paul in NZ]

its the white mans fault for not wiping the lot of them out when they had the chance

Actually - the white man figured out pretty damn quickly that Maori fought back pretty effectively and they were damned glad there was no unified structure across all tribes so they could pitch one against the other or else it just plain would not have been worth the effort.

ie - its very likely they could not have won in a total all out war.

Besides - NZ was colonised late in the piece and the british were pretty enlightened by then (ie realised the futility) Economic repression of a sector of society takes longer but is vastly more effective.

[JellyBellyKelly]

:Offtopic: the trouble with prison is it's too nice.
i have to pay for my rent, food, power, tv etc etc etc and work hard for it. they get all for free from my tax dollar. absolute bull crap

i'm all for the castration.
maybe all 15 year olds need the contraceptive injection that lasts for 5 years so they don't fall in to the trap of having kids for the easy DPB pay check.

[slofox]

"Ngahuru was remorseful"

Yeah. I fucking bet...

[mashman]

True - but a hell of a lot of people in england walk about their towns and cities ignoring that much violence and worse. Like a lot of places, englands GREAT if you have money but if you have to live and hang out with the dregs - good luck!

There is a LOT of reasons this stuff happens and I certainly don't have any answers of what to do about it but I do know just tell prople like this that they are bad and that this is unacceptable etc won't work. It just breaks my heart really - so much energy and time is wasted on this stuff, imagine if we could divert all the effort that goes into resolving this crap into something productive? (actually, if we had jobs for these people maybe there wouldnt be so much of this and... oh dear, my head hurts now)

These dregs you're talking about... quite a few have degrees, many more are of "above" intelligence... i'm not worried about the dregs... they "CAN" be reasoned with (same with gang members)... I know this from personal experience of both Liverpool and Glasgow... two of the most deprived cities in the country... I wasn't always "a good man".

[mashman]

maybe all 15 year olds need the contraceptive injection that lasts for 5 years so they don't fall in to the trap of having kids for the easy DPB pay check.

Aye, fucking with a persons hormones doesn't change them one bit... my ex will testify to that... she turned into a completely irrational DESTRUCTIVE monster... only she couldn't see it at the time.... pumping hormonal teens full of the stuff is a recipe for utter chaos.

[peasea]

Two years and 4 months for this is astounding! He is 20 years of age, there is no hope for him, his kids, his partner/future partners. This sort of thing leaves me cold. There is a child here learning from his fathers knee. Castrate the bastards!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10645150

Scarey story this one, and oh so friggen typical.

I blame the father. He obviously wasn't listening to his cricket coach during the training sessions.

[cruza]

Made me sick when I read this in the paper. Sentence is pretty crap too. No chick should be have to put up with that.

[duckonin]

I blame the father. He obviously wasn't listening to his cricket coach during the training sessions.

Yep didn't get his knee forward enough then let his shoulder's do the work...

[Blinkwing]

Made me sick when I read this in the paper. Sentence is pretty crap too. No chick should be have to put up with that.

Nobody should have to put up with it.

[cruza]

Nobody should have to put up with it.

even neighbours, had a case couple months ago very similar , next door. Thankfully they're been evicted.But had to ring up the police as he was beating up his partner , and the flatmates were not able to calm the situattion. In fact one crashed thru our six foot fence. When he went and got there 18th month old boy out of bed. and brought him into the back yard , that was my limit...... I called the police, amazing how quick they turned up .

Her Dad moved her out 2 days later.......then I still had to put up with the scum till the courts and police evicted her partner and other low lifes.

[tri boy]

I blame the father. He obviously wasn't listening to his cricket coach during the training sessions.

He was probably hung over after a heavy night beating the wife n kids.
(Hockey sticks are more effective. Jab, jab, sweep, smash. Easier on the wrists too.)

[EJK]

I can never think myself being a father right now at my age.

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