Prison officer dead, WTF?

[scumdog]

OK, it was always going to happen.

Why?

Because prison officers (through their training) treat prisoners (aka fuckwit losers) like school kids.

You would not believe how softly they are forced to treat 'losers' the play-up or assualt prisoners.

Hammer the fuck-wit losers that play up in prison..

[Taz]

Prisoners have it too good. Damp dungeon and shackles would be better.

[firefighter]

Pit of death is the best option. Cheapest too.

I know if I was a prison guard, I would'nt be treating prisoners 'aka' potential or existing gang members bad at all. It would only serve to come back on me in the end.....I kinda take the prison guards side on this one in regards to not treating them like shit.

[p.dath]

First of my, condolences and respect to the two children (5 and 2 years old) and his wife who have been left behind. It is a terrible thing that has happened.

This thread is likely to spark a lot of extreme reactions. You need to remember a founding tenant (rightly or wrongly) of our corrections department is that you go to jail for a restriction in your freedom - not for punishment. So jail is only there to remove your freedom, nothing else. That's why they get nice heated floors, big plasma TVs, etc.

It seems obvious there has been a serious failure in the systems that have resulted in this persons death. I don't know what they are, and nor are we likely to know until an investigation is done.
It does seem obvious that something more needs to be done to protect those that work in our jails.

[mashman]

Who knows what he was in to? but if he was a good guy it's a hell of a loss for a thankless dangerous job... last thing i'd want is to be locked away in a box full of criminals... bravo for those that can do it...



Prisoners have it too good. Damp dungeon and shackles would be better.


Nah... just leave all of the doors open, let the officers watch on CCTV from the outside and sell the best bits for a reality TV show.. would be an awesome deterrent... as for food etc... just air drop it in with other "essential" supplies and leave the bastards to rip each other to pieces.

[monkeymcbean]

Shackle them up, get them out working, on roads, planting food, anything that will contribute to communities....a sort of 'penance' for lack of a better word, make them feel worthwhile.
It must cost heaps to the tax payer to keep them locked up, better make use of them because of their crimes, rather than lock them up and throw away the key. Most will likely have mental issues which will only get worse if treated like dogs.

[Mudfart]

yep political correctness has a place, and its not inside the wire.
prisoners certainly are treated with kid gloves.
RIP JP, and God bless your young children and wife.

[Smifffy]

School kids can kill people too.....

I'm all for hammering fuck-wit losers that play up in prison, it looks like this guy got the jump on 'em and played up right when he was arriving at the prison. The news reports I saw said that the guy smacked the guard in the head, and I was wondering how he could have been in a position to do that with sufficient force to cause death. There must be quite a few more details to come out, but that doesn't help the poor guard.

There's a fine line between punishment & rehabilitation. It also made me wonder why this guy was headed to springhill instead of waikeria.

[scumdog]

They (prisoners) are treated waaaaay more le3niently for idiocy inside the prison than if they were on the street.

They've had their chances - Youth Aid, Probation etc - so no slack should be given for screw-ups while they are in prison, theiy're all loser leches on society.

Gimme a pistol, 1200 hunderd rounds, a blank cheque and I guarantee less taxes for the good hardworking Kiwi.......

[p.dath]

The news reports I saw said that the guy smacked the guard in the head, and I was wondering how he could have been in a position to do that with sufficient force to cause death.

I don't think the punch in the head killed him, it was the fall to the [presumably concrete] floor that cased a serious brain injury. The doctors said he would never recover from the brain injury, and his wife made the decision to turn off life support.

I think it was DangerousBastard that has recounted a story on here several times of a person who fell off their motorcycle in a driveway with no helmet and suffered a permanent brain injury.
Gravity, 1.5m of height above the surface of the earth, and a little bad luck is all it takes.

[Mudfart]

School kids can kill people too.....

I'm all for hammering fuck-wit losers that play up in prison, it looks like this guy got the jump on 'em and played up right when he was arriving at the prison. The news reports I saw said that the guy smacked the guard in the head, and I was wondering how he could have been in a position to do that with sufficient force to cause death. There must be quite a few more details to come out, but that doesn't help the poor guard.

There's a fine line between punishment & rehabilitation. It also made me wonder why this guy was headed to springhill instead of waikeria.
bazza matthews said it was clear he was unconcious before his head smacked on the concrete floor. those that know, know that when this happens it can totally fuck your brain with internal bleeding etc.. his brain was fucked immediately when it smacked into the concrete. they also said the decision was made to turn off life support, so there was no brain activity.
What the prisoner did, was knock him out, causing death. however if it was during an unlock it hopefully will appear premeditated to a jury and this fuckface will do time for murder.
Murder in my book. Just wish I could be in Hamilton tommorrow to get my 2 cents in.
The whole idea of prison is for offenders to understand their crimes have CONSEQUENCES. It was a consequence to the extreme yesterday, but he could have been released, gotten on the piss in town, and assualted a member of public with the same CONSEQUENCE.

[JMemonic]

Simply the system is wrong, it should never have happened or even been possible but the feel good brigade has softened the system up so much it wont be long that home detention is the punishment for murder.

[Smifffy]

I don't think the punch in the head killed him, it was the fall to the [presumably concrete] floor that cased a serious brain injury. The doctors said he would never recover from the brain injury, and his wife made the decision to turn off life support.

I think it was DangerousBastard that has recounted a story on here several times of a person who fell off their motorcycle in a driveway with no helmet and suffered a permanent brain injury.
Gravity, 1.5m of height above the surface of the earth, and a little bad luck is all it takes.

So there are a myriad of causes that could lead to a prison officer striking their head on a concrete floor from a height greater than 1.5 metres.

Proceduraly something needs to change.

Stop treating 'em with kid gloves would be a good start.

[Mudfart]

i wonder what health and safety's take will be on preventing this from happening again, if everytime there is an assault, theres a chance of death if you fall to concrete ground in an unconscious state....

[Mudfart]

So there are a myriad of causes that could lead to a prison officer striking their head on a concrete floor from a height greater than 1.5 metres.

Proceduraly something needs to change.

Stop treating 'em with kid gloves would be a good start.
I like the way in america the prisoners have to put their hands outside the door to get them cuffed before they exit the cell, then again to remove them when they go bck into the cell. At all times outside the cell their hands are cuffed. This reduces the effectiveness of their hands in a fight.

[Smifffy]

i wonder what health and safety's take will be on preventing this from happening again, if everytime there is an assault, theres a chance of death if you fall to concrete ground in an unconscious state....

Yes, exactly, and in my industry, health & safety don't give a rat's about what it costs, or how long it takes, they expect you to do something about it. Even when it hasn't been an issue for decades.

[Smifffy]

I like the way in america the prisoners have to put their hands outside the door to get them cuffed before they exit the cell, then again to remove them when they go bck into the cell. At all times outside the cell their hands are cuffed. This reduces the effectiveness of their hands in a fight.

In America, if you are pulled over for a traffic violation, you will call the officer SIR. For the most part the officers do command respect, and behave accordingly. I have seen very few young snot noses on patrol on their own over there.

[scumdog]

In America, if you are pulled over for a traffic violation, you will call the officer SIR. For the most part the officers do command respect, and behave accordingly. I have seen very few young snot noses on patrol on their own over there.

And without a gun...

[Smifffy]

And without a gun...

I don't think I've ever seen a US cop without a gun. I also don't think I have seen a cop with less than a couple of years of experience on their own. USA cops are great - if you behave yourself.

[scumdog]

I don't think I've ever seen a US cop without a gun. I also don't think I have seen a cop with less than a couple of years of experience on their own. USA cops are great - if you behave yourself.

NZ cops need to be given the freedom to teach NZ shit-heads to 'behave themselves'.

[duckonin]

They (prisoners) are treated waaaaay more le3niently for idiocy inside the prison than if they were on the street.

They've had their chances - Youth Aid, Probation etc - so no slack should be given for screw-ups while they are in prison, theiy're all loser leches on society.

Gimme a pistol, 1200 hunderd rounds, a blank cheque and I guarantee less taxes for the good hardworking Kiwi.......
Fuck SD back up a mite matey, there are a lot in the clink that should not even be there, there is only a "very select few that are 'Wharken arse holes', they should of been disposed of before even getting to jail" these I will give you 1200 rounds to use on but the others well fuck me smoking a bit of dack ect ect, locked up with the same cunts those buggars should never be in the place..
Have a few mates in the insitiutions they do not take crapp from the wankers and that is the truth...

[Smifffy]

NZ cops need to be given the freedom to teach NZ shit-heads to 'behave themselves'.

True enough, and the other side of that contract is to admit when mistakes are made, and make changes to correct them.

[AD345]

*snip* USA cops are great - if you behave yourself.

Oh yeah - they're triffic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3wWVQZaq0


The officer was found guilty

[scumdog]

Fuck SD back up a mite matey, there are a lot in the clink that should not even be there, there is only a "very select few that are 'Wharken arse holes', they should of been disposed of before even getting to jail" these I will give you 1200 rounds to use on but the others well fuck me smoking a bit of dack ect ect, locked up with the same cunts those buggars should never be in the place..
Have a few mates in the insitiutions they do not take crapp from the wankers and that is the truth...

OK, I'll back up a tad, only a miniscule tad though, - but those that 'play-up' in prison should have the tar whupped out of them...those that 'shouldn't be there' won't be in that 'brain-dead loser' catagory eh?

Cos a vast amount of those there have had a chance to sort their shit out well before they end up in 'Moron Mansion".

[Smifffy]

The officer was found guilty

That's my point right there

[AD345]

That's my point right there

So just to be clear, your point is that USA cops are great and if they are not great and shoot you they can be tried and found guilty.




And you're still shot of course

'zat about it?

[scumdog]

Oh yeah - they're triffic



The officer was found guilty

Wow, that would really help the dead guy!:rolleyes:

[Smifffy]

So just to be clear, your point is that USA cops are great and if they are not great and shoot you they can be tried and found guilty.




And you're still shot of course

'zat about it?

Pretty much, yeah. You get dickheads wherever you go, and for the most part over there the dickheads are subjected to the same laws as everyone else. Over here it is easier to count the number if IPCA recommendations that have been implemented, rather than those that have been ignored.

I personally have had more positive experiences with US cops than negative. The same can't be said for NZ. I have also spent much more time in NZ than the US, but I like to think my standard of behaviour is consistent.

[AD345]

Wow, that would really help the dead guy!:rolleyes:

tsk

we're having a perfectly fine thread-jack here. You just go on about your business

[AD345]

Pretty much, yeah. You get dickheads wherever you go, and for the most part over there the dickheads are subjected to the same laws as everyone else. Over here it is easier to count the number if IPCA recommendations that have been implemented, rather than those that have been ignored.

I personally have had more positive experiences with US cops than negative. The same can't be said for NZ. I have also spent much more time in NZ than the US, but I like to think my standard of behaviour is consistent.

I've found people to be pretty much the same all over. Sheer size would indicate that the US has a greater number of idiots on both sides of the law

and they all have guns

[Morcs]

So whats gonna happen to the guy who did the killing? throw him in jail i suppose.

[Smifffy]

I've found people to be pretty much the same all over. Sheer size would indicate that the US has a greater number of idiots on both sides of the law

and they all have guns

Yup, that's about it - are you clearer on my position now?

[AD345]

Yup, that's about it - are you clearer on my position now?

Crystal


I don't agree that they are any bertter than NZ cops and the consequences of a mistake/overreaction on thier part tend to be much more severe on the civillain population than would be the case in NZ

[Smifffy]

Crystal


I don't agree that they are any bertter than NZ cops and the consequences of a mistake/overreaction on thier part tend to be much more severe on the civillain population than would be the case in NZ

I believe that for the most part they do believe in personal freedoms, and even if you are breaking a technicality, if they think that you are not impacting on anyone else then they let you be. One time I was in small town deep south, and behaving in a way that was typically kiwi, but wholly unusual for them. They scoped me out good, but never interfered.

It was only later that I realised that nobody walks along the footpath - only a vagrant (or a kiwi) wouldn't drive.

I've also been well pissed in a crowded area with a whole slew of other pissed ppl and a bunch of cops on horseback, and carrying great big fuck off guns. I've never felt safer amongst fellow drunkards.

[scumdog]

Fuck all the waffle above - I was commenting about the death of a prison officer and the soft treatment of those CONVICTED and sentenced to prison.

And the lack of penalty to those convicted losers if they behaved like dicks while in prison.

[rastuscat]

First of my, condolences and respect to the two children (5 and 2 years old) and his wife who have been left behind. It is a terrible thing that has happened.

This thread is likely to spark a lot of extreme reactions. You need to remember a founding tenant (rightly or wrongly) of our corrections department is that you go to jail for a restriction in your freedom - not for punishment.

Sir Geoffrey Palmer once said that people go to jail AS punishment, not FOR punishment. This was said in response to a question about why prisoners are treated so well in jail.

So there.

[scumdog]

Sir Geoffrey Palmer once said that people go to jail AS punishment, not FOR punishment. This was said in response to a question about why prisoners are treated so well in jail.

So there.

Big mistake of Mr Geoffrey Palmer.

Most of NZ want to see jail as a punishment througout the sentence....

[peasea]

Fuck all the waffle above - I was commenting about the death of a prison officer and the soft treatment of those CONVICTED and sentenced to prison.

And the lack of penalty to those convicted losers if they behaved like dicks while in prison.

Do you put ice in your whiskey or do you drink it neat?

[scumdog]

Do you put ice in your whiskey or do you drink it neat?

Fuckinjeezehell, ya can put ice in you whisky?? (Yeah, whisky, not whiskey!)

Neat is the way bro, water tastes like wet nothing.

[Smifffy]

Fuck all the waffle above - I was commenting about the death of a prison officer and the soft treatment of those CONVICTED and sentenced to prison.

And the lack of penalty to those convicted losers if they behaved like dicks while in prison.

He's been charged with assault - WTF another example of NZ pussyfooting PC crap

Again in the States you see the convicted dicks chained up in orange overalls picking up litter from beside the interstate. Fuckers serve the time they are sentenced to as well. Problem is the wannabes & gangbangers see the movies & vids etc coming out of the states and emulate that behaviour, and NZ continues with the liberal pussy PC bullshit in response. Then the government passes laws to target the white middle class male to pay for all of their bullshit programs, because that's what they blame for causing the demographic imbalance in the prison population.

[duckonin]

OK, I'll back up a tad, only a miniscule tad though, - but those that 'play-up' in prison should have the tar whupped out of them...those that 'shouldn't be there' won't be in that 'brain-dead loser' catagory eh?

Cos a vast amount of those there have had a chance to sort their shit out well before they end up in 'Moron Mansion".

Not sure how to do this quote thing..But fair enough to your post..

[pete376403]

I don't think I've ever seen a US cop without a gun. I also don't think I have seen a cop with less than a couple of years of experience on their own. USA cops are great - if you behave yourself.

Some time ago I was in Atlanta, where a favourite leisure pasttime is slow rafting on the Chattahoochee river. There are wardens who putt up and down watching the activities. Even these guys are carrying sidearms. You will be pulled up at gunpoint for drinking out of glass bottles (only cans allowed). Sorry, back to topic.

[pete376403]

It must cost heaps to the tax payer to keep them locked up,

$90,000 per prisoner per year is the figure I recall seeing.

[scumdog]

$90,000 per prisoner per year is the figure I recall seeing.

.22 bullet?

10 cents or less.

[Headbanger]

Fuck the USA, and their cops.

[scumdog]

Fuck the USA, and their cops.

Right on bro - prisoner rule eh!

[Headbanger]

Right on bro - prisoner rule eh!

yeah, thats what I said, aye Bro.

Aye Bro.

Thats what I said.

innit?

[Gubb]

Kinda unrelated, but it reminded me of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

[Swoop]

Big mistake of Mr Geoffrey Palmer.

Most of NZ want to see jail as a punishment througout the sentence....
Creating gravel from large boulders would be a start.

Why can't crims be used to mix cement and manufacture median barrier sections? Surely that is possible?:scratch:

Society wins by being able to put proper median barriers where cheesecutters would otherwise be installed.

[Mudfart]

it is possible, but would you beleive the crims tell the govt how THEY want to be treated in prison?. I dont think the crims will volunteer for hard labour.

[Gareth51]

They (prisoners) are treated waaaaay more le3niently for idiocy inside the prison than if they were on the street.

They've had their chances - Youth Aid, Probation etc - so no slack should be given for screw-ups while they are in prison, theiy're all loser leches on society.

Gimme a pistol, 1200 hunderd rounds, a blank cheque and I guarantee less taxes for the good hardworking Kiwi.......

Will a machine gun do? or you could just pop a grenade into each cell

[Clockwork]

it is possible, but would you beleive the crims tell the govt how THEY want to be treated in prison?. I dont think the crims will volunteer for hard labour.

Hey, maybe instead of sentenceing crims to x months in prison, they could be sentanced to y hours in the prison workhouse and they stay locked up until they're done.

[Mudfart]

yep ive discussed that with friends. unfortunately none of them are influential enough for law reform/change.
x number of hours as sentence for hard labour. and any crims doing release to work programmes, all money goes to victims of crime, and insurance companies to keep our premiums down. also burglars should get a hand chopped off, coz they seem to just keep doing it, and there are some scary stories about the ultimate rush they get doing the burgs while people are home or asleep.
i think i want to get a dog. a big fuck off dog. a big, "hey boy, you hungry?", "no thanks I already ate some testicles", kinda dog.

[Mudfart]

Will a machine gun do? or you could just pop a grenade into each cell
just leave em locked up and let em starve.

[SPman]

Jesus, what a load of reactionary waffling crap!

Sorry about the Prison Officer - taken down by a king hit from a young Killer Bees gang member.

I would assume the charge will be manslaughter - so he'll stay in prison for 10 more years and be regarded as a "hero" among many of the less enlightened! Don't think he'll have an easy life though - warders can be very unforgiving..........for all those who think prison is paradise - obviously haven't actually been there - to me Sky TV would be punishment, not a luxury.....

Over here, due to the number of "one hit" killings in the street (carried out, mainly, by young pissed white boys) they changed the law to bring in an automatic murder charge - with the possibility of reduction to manslaughter only under "very extenuating circumstances"

Yes - a lot of people in prison are retarded dropkicks - a pity the government axed any of the rehab programs that were actually working - I guess the lock 'em up on hard labour and throw away the key brigade have ideal conditions over there at the moment - the comments on KB recently certainly seem to bear this out..............

[mashman]

Why can't crims be used to mix cement

Wouldn't that weaken the integrity of the cement? :shifty:

[Smifffy]

Jesus, what a load of reactionary waffling crap!

Sorry about the Prison Officer - taken down by a king hit from a young Killer Bees gang member.

I would assume the charge will be manslaughter - so he'll stay in prison for 10 more years and be regarded as a "hero" among many of the less enlightened! Don't think he'll have an easy life though - warders can be very unforgiving..........for all those who think prison is paradise - obviously haven't actually been there - to me Sky TV would be punishment, not a luxury.....

Over here, due to the number of "one hit" killings in the street (carried out, mainly, by young pissed white boys) they changed the law to bring in an automatic murder charge - with the possibility of reduction to manslaughter only under "very extenuating circumstances"

Yes - a lot of people in prison are retarded dropkicks - a pity the government axed any of the rehab programs that were actually working - I guess the lock 'em up on hard labour and throw away the key brigade have ideal conditions over there at the moment - the comments on KB recently certainly seem to bear this out..............

As has already been said, if the dropkick is from the killer wannabes then he has probably come to the attention of the authorites more than once before. Why not lock him up and throw away the key? He's had plenty enough chances already.

Oh wait, all those previous encounters with the system show that the system has let him down....

So far the only charge he faces is assault, not manslaughter.

He was being transferred to max security because he had been reclassified after a "series of misconducts". Just how many chances do you want to give him?

[blackdog]

name suppresion granted....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3703779/Inmate-accused-gets-name-suppression

[Bald Eagle]

name suppresion granted....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3703779/Inmate-accused-gets-name-suppression

Bloody typical , name the victim can't name the scumbag responsible 'cos why I ask ?? Don't want to upset his fanow

[Rogue Rider]

It is a very sad affair, the guy had only worked for corrections for a short period. I don't know specifics of the case, as the media always seems to paint a quite different picture to the actuality.
I do agree that stricter controls in handling prisoners needs to be implemented. Obviously every job has its risk and dangers, however in a role such as this, there definitely needs to be some serious PPE, (Personal protection Equipment).
In my view, Prison Officers should have a minimum of stab proof vests, pepper spray and or possibly tazers or battons. These should be worn at all times. I also think it would be prudent to have head gear whilst working or moving prisoners.

It has been said that the prison sentence is the punishment, and this is true. Prisoners are not placed in prison to be punished further. I think the USA and other western cultures who have played with the systems a bit have the right idea. Spend the minimum on incarceration, don't waste money on programs and rehabilitation that costs a fortune, and gets marginal results. Prisoners are incarcerated for the protection of society, it's up to the individual in my view to change their behavior. Why should the tax payer have to pay for their entertainment and time passing opportunities....
I have alot to say on this topic, but am being very reserved at this point. I hope that Corrections do seriously look at safety very closely. It's vital that every practicable step possible is taken to maximize safety, even over cost..... Private sector would be highly scrutinized for fatality on the job, I am sure this event will be similar.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think it was DangerousBastard that has recounted a story on here several times of a person who fell off their motorcycle in a driveway with no helmet and suffered a permanent brain injury.


That explains it then. I almost feel sorry for him now. Almost.

[peasea]

Wouldn't that weaken the integrity of the cement? :shifty:

Not if they used the rocks in their heads for hard fill.

[peasea]

Hey, maybe instead of sentenceing crims to x months in prison, they could be sentanced to y hours in the prison workhouse and they stay locked up until they're done.

Or chain them to the public gallery at Parliament for x-number of months, that'd fuck em up.

[Wannabiker]

I have a couple of ideas....Move prisons offshore. I have seen several Indonesian prisons, and I suggest they can do way better than 90K per head per year. Inmates have orange overalls with "Detention" on the back and front. Some prisoners I saw were employed sweeping the motorways...the motorway outside the military base I was at was 16 lanes...8 each way!!
Option 2: Blue-juice.

[Mental Trousers]

I was marshalling on turn 1 at Hampton Downs when I saw an ambulance go blazing past. I thought the prisoners are stabbing each other again. Let them bleed ..... doh.

[Smifffy]

Maybe instead of segregating them, they should put one member each from a rival gang in a double bunk cell. Encourage them to work their differences out and all get along.

[Rogue Rider]

I have a couple of ideas....Move prisons offshore. I have seen several Indonesian prisons, and I suggest they can do way better than 90K per head per year. Inmates have orange overalls with "Detention" on the back and front. Some prisoners I saw were employed sweeping the motorways...the motorway outside the military base I was at was 16 lanes...8 each way!!
Option 2: Blue-juice.

What about making them sweep the motorway in black overalls at night......... Sorry, thats not very pc, pet stroking, tree hugging, mung bean eating govt officials insist on giving criminals rights.... in usa, prisoners have only the basic human rights, all other rights they gave up when they decided to break the law and fight societies values.
Should be the same here, prisoners should have no rights beyond existance and basic nutrition. They are in prison, steel bars, concrete walls and minimal contact with normal life.
In usa, the first sentence is lenient to the crime, second offence is harsher with longer sentence, if prisoner hasn't learned by 3rd offence thats it....... you locked up for long time.
Some prisons over there run at costs of $10 per inmate per day. Some are quite profitable with inmates earning revenue to pay for their incarceration.
I like that, make em work to pay for their sentence. Problem here is, inmates take jobs from prospective local communities so the communities get upset when corrections steal there contracts, and pay no labour/ or less labour .
Private prisons, I'm not convinced they are a smart idea with current legislation, if they changed the political pc view and allowed prisoners to treated like prisoners, maybe I think we would see some change.
I do think th ministers desire change, and to make a difference. I look forward to seeing it.:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter::w ari:

[scumdog]

Ah good old Crazy Steve, his miniscule mind always boil up at times like this!!

His contribution to me - a red square followed by: 'Shame it wasnt another member of the nz Police..'.

I feel it's time he led by example and showed us all the right way to do things..

[MIXONE]

Maybe instead of segregating them, they should put one member each from a rival gang in a double bunk cell. Encourage them to work their differences out and all get along.

Turn it into a "reality" show on tele and it would make a mint.

[mashman]

Not if they used the rocks in their heads for hard fill.

You reckon there's something other than rocks in there to start with?

[mashman]

I have a couple of ideas....Move prisons offshore. I have seen several Indonesian prisons, and I suggest they can do way better than 90K per head per year. Inmates have orange overalls with "Detention" on the back and front. Some prisoners I saw were employed sweeping the motorways...the motorway outside the military base I was at was 16 lanes...8 each way!!
Option 2: Blue-juice.

The British tried that a while ago didn't they? some rock called Austrailia I believe... turns out it was just an advance raiding party...

[peasea]

You reckon there's something other than rocks in there to start with?

Hell yeah, most gang members, prisoners and their ilk have diplomas or some amazing piece of paper to show how smart they are.

Oh no, hang on, that's a rap sheet. My bad.

[peasea]

The British tried that a while ago didn't they? some rock called Austrailia I believe... turns out it was just an advance raiding party...

Gotta admit though, the convicts were (and still are) smarter than the locals.

[mashman]

Hell yeah, most gang members, prisoners and their ilk have diplomas or some amazing piece of paper to show how smart they are.

Oh no, hang on, that's a rap sheet. My bad.

they just take shortcuts and sometimes slay prison officers to boost their bling factor... thinking like that should be removed from society permanently and forcefully... prison is meant to be a deterrent, not a finishing school :)

[JimO]

whoever wrote the "scumdog next to be killed" comment on the tags is a fuckwit, how about you put your name to it you gutless cunt

[Mudfart]

from what i hear, Jason was a US marine and their training is pretty intense and expensive. where the fuck does that leave good old kiwi officers who are thrown a uniform and told to go sort out those monsters? in the shit, and told to shut up and enjoy it, thats where.

[peasea]

from what i hear, Jason was a US marine and their training is pretty intense and expensive. where the fuck does that leave good old kiwi officers who are thrown a uniform and told to go sort out those monsters? in the shit, and told to shut up and enjoy it, thats where.

Sounds like the most imperfect job you could have. I do wonder why they don't cuff the prisoners through the bars of the cell door first, they're pretty safe there, surely.