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Biggles08
19th May 2010, 08:02
Some of you will know me and know I am fully sponsored by CARROZZERIA wheels so I thought I would write a little spiel about what my thoughts are on them. Now I know you will all be thinking straight away that I have to like them as they are my major sponsor, and to a degree you are right; however, if they made me slower I sure as hell wouldn't be wearing them on my 07 ZX6R bike racing with them...and anyone that knows me will also know I say what I think. So now that's out of the way and my allegiances are all out in the open...the wheels.

The first impression you get when you look at my bike is "F@#k, check out the rims!" and that's been said on a number of occasions. So, they look pimp and that suits me fine....after all "its all about the bling bling!" I chose the gold anodized "V-track" style which is street legal (DOT approved) and slightly heavier than the "Tri-Race" style that is also available (and also street legal). I won't go on about how great they look anymore as this is obvious and there is so much more to highlight rather than this.

When I first put the wheels on my bike I actually went slower than without them...this is because I all of a sudden had to be concerned with how quickly I delivered the gas to my back wheel! The second lap around Manfeild with these wheels on my bike, I almost high sided it! I twisted the throttle exiting 'splash' (turn 3 - a left hander) and the back wheel immediately 'lit up' wheel spinning and sliding out! I shat myself and somehow managed to stay on the bike. After getting the hang on this new increased power I really started enjoying myself. Later in the same session I recognized that the biggest change I noticed was in fact not what I was expecting, it was definitely a FASTER BIKE with the CARROZZERIA wheels on. I was expecting the 'flick' from side to side to be the biggest improvement, and it is way lighter in this department, but definitely the extra power was what stood out the most on first impressions!

Having been racing with these wheels now for over half a year I am very comfortable with them now and of course every racer wants as much advantage as they can. I have just completed the National Series and was unable to use these rims as I was competing in 600 Sports Production class which required OEM wheels. My bike is so much harder to set up suspension for on the standard rims than on the CARROZZERIA wheels. Other massive advantages I hate being without now are with the CARROZZERIA wheels I can brake at least 15-20m later than without them, I have far more confidence in the front suspension (on my bike I still have completely stock standard 2007 Kawasaki suspension) under heavy braking, and the whole bike feels like a smaller frame underneath me when I have the CARROZZERIA rims on the bike.

The funny thing is, nobody seems to pay much credence in New Zealand to reducing un-sprung weight...even though there is a valid argument that this is potentially the BIGGEST handling improvement you can make to your bike, regardless of what bike or style you ride. Obviously suspension is just as important and purchasing an aftermarket shock absorber such as Ohlins, Penske (which is what I have in my bike), YSS, White Power etc etc will only enhance the reduced unsprung weight effect even more...but always remember, the more mass the suspension is carrying, and specifically the un-sprung weight it is carrying, the less effective your suspension will be, no matter what brand you have.

Price is always an argument people use against getting these wheels. Remember, the first impression people have when they look at my bike is 'Wow, check out the wheels!" not, "Wow, he has an Akropovic exhaust system" or "Wow, a Penske shock!" etc etc....so the money you spend on these aftermarket wheels wont go un-noticed I guarantee it! Traditionally the first mod any of us make on our bikes is exhaust. This will at the most give you 3-5 more hp at the wheel. and ONLY if you get an aftermarket filter and get rid of the cat. These wheels would give you the same hp increase as changing your exhaust...in fact I would go as far as say the change is even greater than this. On top of this your existing suspension will work WAY BETTER so you bike will handle noticeably better. bang for buck I believe the FIRST modification a serious motorcyclist should make is reducing the bikes un-sprung weight, and purchasing CARROZZERIA wheels achieves this for less cost than purchasing an aftermarket rear suspension kit with an exhaust system.

CARROZZERIA wheels retail for $4995 a set. this is in any colour you want (excl polished Alloy) and includeds a rear DRIVEN sprocket of you colour choice and tooth count. All the bearings, spacers and running gear is included in the package and all that is required is for you to change over your existing front rotors from your bike and put some rubber on the wheels.

As mentioned, I am fully sponsored by CARROZZERIA and I am pleased to be able to do Kiwibikers a MASSIVE discounted rate if you contact me. If you purchase the wheels through me you will only pay $3495 for a set!!! Save yourself $1500! THAT'S CHEAPER THAN BUYING YOUR BIKES OEM RIMS....go on, check it out. Call your local bike shop and ask for a price for a new set of OEM rims for your bike...why would you!?

If you are interested in this please contact me via PM and don't wait around too long...I'm sure this deal won't last for long! Click here (http://www.loccomotion.com/rjzc/index.php?main_page=page&id=3&chapter=10)if you want more information about the CARROZZERIA forged wheels and what the benefits are. Or click here (http://www.motoress.com/readarticle.asp?articleid=425&c=technique) if you want to read more about why you should reduce your un-sprung weight on your bike.

Marcus (Biggles):blink:
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nodrog
19th May 2010, 08:13
do you the weights of them?

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 08:16
haha...guess you mean 'have' the weights? It depends on what bike/size etc. The factory says they are between 20-40% lighter than OEM. I would say for a modern sports bike it would be closer to 20% lighter, and older bikes 40% lighter. There is a definite difference when you pick up my spare stock rims with the CARROZZERIA ones though.

nodrog
19th May 2010, 08:20
sorry, my england not so good.

cheers for that.

just out of interest have you weighed your stock wheels and compared?

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 08:23
sorry, my england not so good.

cheers for that.

just out of interest have you weighed your stock wheels and compared?

Actually I have....and I can't remember the difference. I'll try to do it again next time I take them off the bike

schrodingers cat
19th May 2010, 08:53
You haven't spoken about the superior stiffness of a forged wheel. Usually they have a denser grain structure which allows the designers to reduce the cross-sectional thickness and reduce the mass at the extremities of the item leading the less 'flywheel' effect and gryoscopic influence.

Less rotational mass certainly is easier to accelerate and deccelerate. Win Win. Reduced gryoscopic effect allows the bike to accept direction changes more readily

Reducing unsprung weight allows the tyre to follow the road surface better as there is less mass to control after it hits a bump therefore lower damping rates

It would be interesting to know what percentage reduction of the total unsprung weight you have achieved. I suspect your gain isn't coming from the magic bullet of reduced unsprung weight but more from the other factors I've mentioned.

Cheers for your review and feedback but I think you should dig a bit deeper into what is really going on. Or not. If it is faster then good on you.

The most important question is - If you had to pay for them yourself would you spend the $3500 on rims or throw more tyres at the bike?

bogan
19th May 2010, 09:03
they do look bloody awesome, guy on the bros forum got a one for his SSSA, looks mint!

98tls
19th May 2010, 09:10
Weight saving on the set ive got from OEM was 5kg or there abouts (from memory).Have to say it feels way more.Only complaint i had was the front one had a fucked bearing on one side,$10 fixed that.

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 09:11
You haven't spoken about the superior stiffness of a forged wheel. Usually they have a denser grain structure which allows the designers to reduce the cross-sectional thickness and reduce the mass at the extremities of the item leading the less 'flywheel' effect and gryoscopic influence.

Less rotational mass certainly is easier to accelerate and deccelerate. Win Win. Reduced gryoscopic effect allows the bike to accept direction changes more readily

Reducing unsprung weight allows the tyre to follow the road surface better as there is less mass to control after it hits a bump therefore lower damping rates

It would be interesting to know what percentage reduction of the total unsprung weight you have achieved. I suspect your gain isn't coming from the magic bullet of reduced unsprung weight but more from the other factors I've mentioned.

Cheers for your review and feedback but I think you should dig a bit deeper into what is really going on. Or not. If it is faster then good on you.

The most important question is - If you had to pay for them yourself would you spend the $3500 on rims or throw more tyres at the bike?

haha...you are of course completely right but I thought the article was long enough and I was merely trying to highlight that these wheels are available and I love em. As for if it was my own money would I invest in them....of course I'm going to say yes...lol...but realistically, I have invested my own money into this whole venture and not just the wheels. I'm like most racers, up to my eyeballs financially invested. These wheels are definitely always going to be one of the first improvements I ever make on any bike I own and ride...they make me faster 100%. As for digging deeper, like you rightly surmised, I explained in 'lay mans' terms what it 'feels' like rather than explaining in technical terms like you did. Some people need the 'how's' while others need the 'Why's.' I gave em the whys :-). Thanks for your input.

NZsarge
19th May 2010, 09:12
Was checkin' these out briefly at Manfeild on Saturday, I think blue rims on my black ZX14 would look totally rad, alas I don't have $3.5k to spare which sounds like a pretty decent price to me.

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 09:16
Was checkin' these out briefly at Manfeild on Saturday, I think blue rims on my black ZX14 would look totally rad, alas I don't have $3.5k to spare which sounds like a pretty decent price to me.

We take 'q-card' too by the way , so you can pay them off just like a washing machine, but cooler;-). The ZX14 would look awesome with them on...my dad rides a silver one...I think I'll have a chat to him about it too...thanks for the prompt!

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 09:20
Weight saving on the set ive got from OEM was 5kg or there abouts (from memory).Have to say it feels way more.Only complaint i had was the front one had a fucked bearing on one side,$10 fixed that.

Another thing worth mentioning is that you only need to torque the wheels to half the OEM rims. This helps with wear and tear on the wheels too. Did you tell CARROZZERIA about the bearing problem 98tls? That would definitely be a valid warranty claim if purchased from me.

98tls
19th May 2010, 09:32
Another thing worth mentioning is that you only need to torque the wheels to half the OEM rims. This helps with wear and tear on the wheels too. Did you tell CARROZZERIA about the bearing problem 98tls? That would definitely be a valid warranty claim if purchased from me.

No didnt bother mate,bearing was only $10,odd really as it seemed seized,had a play with it and got it spinning but decided for the sake of a tenner to just put another in.Will add that these things are bloody well made,anodizing/finish is just beautiful.I actually went a bit higher than 1/2 on the Torque settings,probably didnt need to but just couldnt get my head around 1/2 it lol.In the paperwork they advise checking rear caliper bolts after 1000 kms which i did but all was good.All in all very happy with them,Weight/turn in/braking has benefitted greatly even on my old TL not to mention they look bloody great in the flesh.

98tls
19th May 2010, 09:38
:shifty:Bit of pic whoring mate,think of it as free advertising for ya.:innocent:

Biggles08
19th May 2010, 09:42
that is seriously one straight looking TL dude...nice work!

Tony.OK
20th May 2010, 16:58
Had mine on my 1000rr a few years back now............they are bloody nice!!

Few things I noticed with mine, yup acceleration was improved, as was flickability.......but the thing that really surprised me the most was when getting off the gas, the bike just slowed so much faster, even without brakes, there was suddenly a much larger amount of engine braking.

They say that removing 1kg of spinning mass is like 3kg's of sprung mass, works a treat with lighter wheels!!

Also don't be afraid to play with susp settings with lighter rims, took me a while to suss out what I needed, but once sorted the difference was fantastic. Less comp and more rebound worked well, less comp for less weight being pushed up when hitting a bump, more rebound because the spring isn't pushing as much weight back down........that might help someone?.
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Shaun P
21st May 2010, 15:59
I may be missing something but what is the point when you have to use std rims at national level, I guess it depends on yre objectives

Tony.OK
21st May 2010, 16:33
I may be missing something but what is the point when you have to use std rims at national level, I guess it depends on yre objectives

Same reason as Stroudie uses BST Carbons at non Nat events I guess, any advantage is a good one if ya are allowed to use it.

That and they look cool...........hehe

Biggles08
22nd May 2010, 16:04
I may be missing something but what is the point when you have to use std rims at national level, I guess it depends on yre objectives
The Nationals is only 5 rounds out of a full year of a racing calendar that you are not allowed to use them at. Your also not allowed to use cams, quick-shifters and many other accessories at the Nats that you can in F2 or F1. Plenty of reasons :-)

wayne
27th May 2010, 15:48
advantages of 16.5 wheels ?

Biggles08
27th May 2010, 20:39
advantages of 16.5 wheels ?

I'm confused...could be because I've had a couple of wines, could be because your a bit vague!

98tls
27th May 2010, 20:48
Bit lost on the 16.5 inch rim thing myself,were did that come from.Used on racebikes in the past no idea about them these days,read a recent thread on the TL site were a bloke purchased a second hand set of bling 16.5 rims ex Yosh Suzuki to find that slicks aside theres no road going tyre available.

Biggles08
28th May 2010, 09:13
Bit lost on the 16.5 inch rim thing myself,were did that come from.Used on racebikes in the past no idea about them these days,read a recent thread on the TL site were a bloke purchased a second hand set of bling 16.5 rims ex Yosh Suzuki to find that slicks aside theres no road going tyre available.

I think one of the earlier Honda Fireblades had 16 inch rims too...not 100% tho. Anyway, can't figure out if it was a question or a statement...he had a '?' at the end of it so I'm guessing it was meant as a question...but not sure how I'm sposed to know the answer :-)