View Full Version : I'm not greenie - but FFS BP - you arseholes
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/3720632/BP-accused-of-cover-up-over-oil-spill
The US government has accused energy giant BP of falling short in the information it has provided about the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, in a clear sign of Washington's growing frustration with BP's handling of the spiraling environmental disaster.
"In responding to this oil spill, it is critical that all actions be conducted in a transparent manner, with all data and information related to the spill readily available to the United States government and the American people," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson said in a letter.
The officials said in a letter to BP CEO Tony Hayward that despite claims by BP that it was striving to keep the public and the government informed, "those efforts, to date, have fallen short in both their scope and effectiveness."
The statement followed allegations earlier in the day that BP had engaged in a "cover-up" about the extent of the damage and the amount of crude flowing unchecked from its ruptured well in the Gulf of Mexico.
conts in link ...........
schrodingers cat
21st May 2010, 15:22
Recent history taugh us the term 'Too big to fail' Perhaps we're seeing the creation of a new term - "Too big to fuck with'
avgas
21st May 2010, 15:27
its a bit hard to bitch about after they have drilled is all I am going to say.
A bit like those who think I am crazy to go against mining start ups. I aren't against drilling/mining.......far from it. I am just sick of you lot bitching when some ecological disaster happens.
What do you really expect to happen. The job to go faultless?
Yes it is BP's fuck up........but it was the US Govt that gave them the opportunity first.
Bald Eagle
21st May 2010, 15:33
"Too big to fuck with'
Who the US of A or BP, At the bell come out fighting, my moneys on BP.
The current crises is huge. Even though its not the worst thing BP has ever done (being responsible for the spread of militant islam in the middle east is probably worse) if Steven Wereleys estimated oil flow rates of between 56,000 barrels to 84,000 barrels per day (one Exxon Valdez every 3.5 to 2.4 days) is correct then the Gulf of Mexico is going to take decades to recover.
mashman
21st May 2010, 15:49
she'll be right... there's bound to be insurance cover.
sinned
21st May 2010, 16:00
she'll be right... there's bound to be insurance cover.
Just watch your insurance premiums go up as a result of this one.
Just watch your insurance premiums go up as a result of this one.
Im sure it wont be passed on at the pump.
sinned
21st May 2010, 16:08
:yes:
Im sure it wont be passed on at the pump.
Nice one
mashman
21st May 2010, 16:12
Just watch your insurance premiums go up as a result of this one.
I didn't spill it :shifty:
rainman
21st May 2010, 17:18
Who the US of A or BP, At the bell come out fighting, my moneys on BP.
This is a big issue at the moment - large corps vs hollowed-out nation states. I tend to bet on the corps to win, sadly. Won't end well for us peons, though.
she'll be right... there's bound to be insurance cover.
Yeah, 'cos money is better than a functioning ecosystem...
Oh, and I am a greenie, and I understand why people want to blow fuckers like BP up. Their work in Nigeria is pretty smelly, too.
toycollector10
21st May 2010, 17:57
I will never buy BP petrol again. If everyone boycotted them it might teach the other companies to get their engineering right. The consumers should destroy the company. But, that will never happen, will it.
And just wait for the next cyclone to hit the southeast. All of that land is very, very low lying. Think New Orleans. All that oil is going to wind up 30 miles inland. It will be a desert, nothing will grow.
And what you see on the top of the water is about one fifth of the spill. It's at other levels in the ocean depending on its (the oil's) density. There's also oil sitting on the bottom of the ocean as well. Anyways, that's what I read somewhere.
SPman
21st May 2010, 18:13
Greg Palast has a good take on it - apparently BP was meant to be in charge of preventing/cleaning up the Exxon Valdez, as well....
http://www.truthout.org/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well59178
mashman
21st May 2010, 18:35
Greg Palast has a good take on it - apparently BP was meant to be in charge of preventing/cleaning up the Exxon Valdez, as well....
http://www.truthout.org/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well59178
:gob::gob::gob: but at least he saved them a billion bucks last year :blink:
schrodingers cat
21st May 2010, 19:04
Who the US of A or BP, At the bell come out fighting, my moneys on BP.
Oil money owns Government - no question. The Bush's taught us that
peasea
21st May 2010, 19:18
Recent history taugh us the term 'Too big to fail' Perhaps we're seeing the creation of a new term - "Too big to fuck with'
Hmmm, too big to fail....Titanic anyone?
peasea
21st May 2010, 19:22
The current crises is huge. Even though its not the worst thing BP has ever done (being responsible for the spread of militant islam in the middle east is probably worse) if Steven Wereleys estimated oil flow rates of between 56,000 barrels to 84,000 barrels per day (one Exxon Valdez every 3.5 to 2.4 days) is correct then the Gulf of Mexico is going to take decades to recover.
That outta slow the boat people down.
I bet they won't be lighting their farts to pass the time of day on their journey either!
Just found this link:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html
a live feed from the ROV's trying to block the flow - FUCK - just look how much oil is pissing out of that.
Rockbuddy
27th May 2010, 16:25
This all just reinforces why I've been boycotting BP all this time, it just strengthens my resolve.
BOYCOTT BP
oils a natural thing innit, whats the problem
This all just reinforces why I've been boycotting BP all this time, it just strengthens my resolve.
BOYCOTT BP
Yeah - that will work. Then all the oil companies will stop drilling.
schrodingers cat
27th May 2010, 17:15
Excellent news - engineers have perfected a motorcycle engine that runs on water....
So long as the water comes from the gulf of Mexico:laugh:
sil3nt
27th May 2010, 20:46
Follow BPs progress on http://twitter.com/BPGlobalPR
pete376403
27th May 2010, 22:24
Bush/Cheney administration permitted oil drillers not to use acoustic valves on offshore oil wells in US territory due to the expense involved - approx $US500K per well. Looks like a real bargain now.
"Environmental lawyer, Mike Papantonio, said on the Ed Schultz Show that Cheney’s Energy Task Force determined that the shut off valves were a burden on the industry " http://www.politicususa.com/en/dick-cheney-katrina
crystalball
27th May 2010, 22:32
bastards destroying our planet. anyhow i use shell or mobil. i find for some unknown reason that petrol in otara lol is always 3 cents cheaper.
slowpoke
28th May 2010, 01:06
Bwahahahahahahahahah, that some people think the other oil companies are any different to BP just cracks me up. Yeah, go ahead boycott BP, crush 'em, obliterate 'em and watch the other companies who are exactly the fuggin' same reap the profits and work the situation to their advantage.
Realistically, it's ugly, and the local population/environment will suffer in the short term but the environment will recover over time.
My apologies for ruining your day but I'm sorry, the end is not nigh.
Swoop
28th May 2010, 08:44
Unfortunate event that it is...
Hopefully some good will come of it. The Exxon Valdez disaster was quickly forgotten, but with this event being in the backyard of US of A there may be a more positive result regarding oil production and transport.
Crasherfromwayback
28th May 2010, 09:10
Realistically, it's ugly, and the local population/environment will suffer in the short term but the environment will recover over time.
If it continues to pump out at the rate is is now...it won't just be short tearm damage man!
taff1954
28th May 2010, 20:37
Bush/Cheney administration permitted oil drillers not to use acoustic valves on offshore oil wells in US territory due to the expense involved - approx $US500K per well. Looks like a real bargain now.
"Environmental lawyer, Mike Papantonio, said on the Ed Schultz Show that Cheney’s Energy Task Force determined that the shut off valves were a burden on the industry " http://www.politicususa.com/en/dick-cheney-katrina
That, plus a Transocean BOP that did it's job, and this entire event would have been old news in 24 hours.
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/pressure_problems_noted_about.html This makes interesting reading too.
davebullet
28th May 2010, 22:52
This all just reinforces why I've been boycotting BP all this time, it just strengthens my resolve.
BOYCOTT BP
Visit my site. Buying the dorky cap is optional.
http://www.boycottbp.com/
Indiana_Jones
28th May 2010, 23:25
Yes it is BP's fuck up........but it was the US Govt that gave them the opportunity first.
What sort of argument is that?
"The dealership sold him the car that he did 230 kph in and killed that family of 4 when he crashed into them, it's their fault"
"That knife shop sold that man a knife which he used to stab 2 girls on the weekend, it's their fault"
-Indy
rustic101
29th May 2010, 01:29
And they will still bend you over and pump you up the arse when you get petrol.
awayatc
29th May 2010, 05:29
And they will still bend you over and pump you up the arse when you get petrol.
Maybe you should change servo.......?
So whose taking a second look at BP service stations?
The oil has been spewing into the Gulf since the 22nd April 2010.
It's just disgusting that nothing has been done a month and a half later.
Out of Morality, I stopped using BP service stations (normally my first choice) over 4 weeks ago.
Obviously, Plenty of people keep supporting BP as there appears to be no kickback noted in the media. It's sad when people can't be arsed to give a little to take a stand, no matter how small....
So my question to you is.... Are you going to take a stance?
http://static.stuff.co.nz/1275610318/104/3777104.jpg
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toycollector10
4th June 2010, 18:50
I'm disgusted about what I read in The Press this morning. The BP CEO wants his life back. What a prick. When the hurricane season kicks-in in about a month or so the oil is really going to hit the bayou.
I've long since stopped buying their product. I want their share price to sink to 5 cents and for the whole money hungry pack of bastards to go to the wall. To send a message to all other oil explorers. To get it right, keep it clean or you will simply disappear as a commercial entity.
What about the shit they get up to in Nigeria? Corporate ethics? What a joke, it's Gordon Gekko but this time on methane and crude, all over again.
Make no mistake, this whole ugly saga has been brought about by BP increasing the drilling rate and at the same time knowing the rubber blow out preventer had been stuffed by someone trying to pull the bit out when the thing had closed.
It's just greed and destruction of the environment and the animals and birds and plants that live in it.
And don't forget Halliburton's involvement. Our old mate Dick Cheney as VP. And we all know the level of death, destruction and general greed that surrounds that little outfit.
This is bigger than Chernobyl and makes Three Mile Island and the Exxon Valdez look like a bloody kids picnic party
Hitcher
4th June 2010, 23:01
What a lot of emotive clap trap.
BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.
Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.
The costs to environment and to BP as a consequence of this event will be huge. Insurance will not be BP's saviour for an event of this scale. I presume that they are self-insured through some mechanism because no insurance company or consortium of companies would cover a risk of this magnitude.
US government bullying of BP won't make the fix any faster. It's clearly a complex task or it would have been sorted by now.
You are all petrolheads. Last time I looked you seemed to be happy to consume motor spirits and enjoy the benefits associated with this product. So enough of hypocrisy and faux outrage already.
I bear BP no ill will and will continue to procure their products. FFS, in New Zealand it's exactly the same product as that sold by the other oil companies (with the possible exception of Gull in some locations).
Coldrider
4th June 2010, 23:30
They saved US$500,000 per rig by not intalling relief valves.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0321388420100503
What a lot of emotive clap trap.
BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.
Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.
The unfortunate coincidence of factors with the catastrophic outcome appears to be associated to cutting corners and neglect of maintenance in a race toward higher profits.
The engine room staff numbers on the BP operated rig had been cut back by %50. No wonder maintenance had fallen behind and couldn't keep up.
Below is an media extract from discussions made between the Rig owners/operators and the House Judiciary Committee & Congress.
Robert Kaluza, BP's well site leader on the Deepwater Horizon, was scheduled to testify but has exercised his Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate himself.
Kohnke also said BP has balked at sharing critical documents with Transocean, including well pressure data.
"What was going on down in the hole? They know that. We're not seeing what they know," Kohnke said. "I don't know that it's a stall tactic. I don't know what it is. All I know is that we want this information."
Seems there is strong evidence that the BP operated Rig was involved in serious safety issues. Withholding pressure information that may have forced the BP operated rig to cease drilling operations. It looks like the pressure data was withheld in favour of keeping the oil flowing......... Good one BP, or perhaps this is BP's method of risk mitigation?
:doh:
"They gambled with our lives," laborer Stephen Stone told the House Judiciary Committee
They saved US$500,000 per rig by not intalling relief valves.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0321388420100503
This is BP's method of Risk Mitigation.
Emotive Clap Trap! LOL
Winston001
6th June 2010, 20:32
What a lot of emotive clap trap.
BP didn't deliberately cause this leak. The leak appears to be caused by an unfortunate coincidence of factors with a catastrophic outcome.
Mining oil is a risky business. While risks can be mitigated they can never be eliminated.
The costs to environment and to BP as a consequence of this event will be huge. Insurance will not be BP's saviour for an event of this scale. I presume that they are self-insured through some mechanism because no insurance company or consortium of companies would cover a risk of this magnitude.
US government bullying of BP won't make the fix any faster. It's clearly a complex task or it would have been sorted by now.
You are all petrolheads. Last time I looked you seemed to be happy to consume motor spirits and enjoy the benefits associated with this product. So enough of hypocrisy and faux outrage already.
I bear BP no ill will and will continue to procure their products. FFS, in New Zealand it's exactly the same product as that sold by the other oil companies (with the possible exception of Gull in some locations).
Agreed - very sensible.
There are at least 2 parties here. Transoceanic which owned and operated the drilling rig. And BP which owned the hole. BP engineers were responsible for various drilling decisions such as using sea-water instead of mud to restrain the gas pressure in the well. Unfortunately the bore blew out - bad call. Tragic for the 14 guys who died.
Nobody but nobody spends two hundred million dollars building a rig to drill a well if its going to blow to pieces. Thousands of off-shore wells have been drilled all over the world and the number of disasters is tiny. The last big one was in the North Sea about 15 years ago. It is a very complex and high risk business but surprisingly effective.
Ultimately we the general public scream for oil - we love it. And its always too expensive in our opinion. And then we complain when an oil company tries to manage its costs...??
SMOKEU
6th June 2010, 21:09
I only ever buy BP petrol. Might as well run a high performance engine on 98 octane petrol.
oldrider
7th June 2010, 12:31
Where there is life there is risk, where there is risk there is catastrophe, where there is catastrophe there are opinions, where there are opinions there will be opportunity for agendas!
This (from another forum) caught my attention:
What Is an Environmentalist, Anyway?
(Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on June 1, 2010)
After four decades of observing the antics of the “environmental movement,” a clear definition of an “environmentalist” would be:
A communist hiding behind a green facade. A watermelon; green on the outside, red on the inside. He wants to destroy capitalism as much as possible and replace it with socialist central planning. The professed concern for Mother Earth is only a means to the real end.
By contrast, a conservationist is one who is genuinely concerned about conserving natural resources.
Here in NZ most of the professed "greenies" fit into the "forgive them father they know not what they do" brigade, as they follow the "Green" flag of the "red gutted" watermelons controlling the Green Party!
Naki Rat
7th June 2010, 20:22
This (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html) is a result of BP cutting corners in a situation where extremely difficult operational conditions made such actions foolhardy to say the least. Despite the mantra of "safety first" continually being drilled into those who work in the oil industry, when push comes to shove the dollar takes preference - I know because I have seen it first hand :shit:
And while I found the story chilling from the electronics tech that has told the world via 60 Minutes (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml), I am far from surprised. Don't think that BP deserve all the blame here though as any one of many companies could have had this happen to them as the operational pressures toward production are present throughout the industry - BP just got unlucky this time.
As Barrack Obama included in a recent speech on the GOM situation, this type of incident will increase in frequency as the world is forced to search further and deeper to find the oil that feeds our insatiable need for hydrocarbon fuels. This spill is the worst US oil spill to date, but it will not be the last. Welcome to the post-Peak Oil world :(
PirateJafa
7th June 2010, 23:19
Boycotting BP? You dumb fucking lemmings.
You must have had your heads buried faaaar in the sand to not have known that essentially every oil company has been doing this for years. Shell and Chevron in Africa. Mobil in Alaska. Now BP in the gulf.
The NZ Herald ran a surprisingly good article on it just this week: Nigeria's ignored catastrophe dwarfs US oil spill (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10649775)
The only reason people care this time is because it's the USA that is finally being affected.
There are no "good" oil companies. Either boycott the lot, or none at all.
Naki Rat
8th June 2010, 15:24
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Obvious really :gob:
oldrider
8th June 2010, 16:03
Funny but there really is a ring of truth echoing amongst all that just the same!
Denis
12th June 2010, 14:27
Oil money owns Government - no question. The Bush's taught us that
Yep, he was like a greased piglet to slimmy to catch I think he"s a major share holder.
Naki Rat
12th June 2010, 15:04
Yep, he was like a greased piglet to slimmy to catch I think he"s a major share holder.
In the news last night it was stated that 40% of BP is owned by British shareholders, followed by 39% US shareholders. Wouldn't mind betting there's some Bush family money in there :shifty:
This the contents of an email
Subject: Oil Spill Damage to Wildlife in Florida Keys
IF THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANGRY...THEN NOTHING WILL !
Dammit this is going too far!!!
This shot shows the serious
damage caused to the wildlife
by the recent BP blowout ...
I feel it is my duty right now to go down
to the coast and help clean the wildlife
with my own two hands.
Where do I sign up?
jafar
12th June 2010, 16:00
This the contents of an email
Subject: Oil Spill Damage to Wildlife in Florida Keys
IF THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANGRY...THEN NOTHING WILL !
Dammit this is going too far!!!
This shot shows the serious
damage caused to the wildlife
by the recent BP blowout ...
I feel it is my duty right now to go down
to the coast and help clean the wildlife
with my own two hands.
Where do I sign up?
BP's model for the 2011 calendar perhaps ?:love:
bet that outfit would be a bugger to get off the sheets :cry:
schrodingers cat
12th June 2010, 16:07
Where there is life there is risk, where there is risk there is catastrophe, where there is catastrophe there are opinions, where there are opinions there will be opportunity for agendas!
This (from another forum) caught my attention:
What Is an Environmentalist, Anyway?
(Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on June 1, 2010)
After four decades of observing the antics of the “environmental movement,” a clear definition of an “environmentalist” would be:
A communist hiding behind a green facade. A watermelon; green on the outside, red on the inside. He wants to destroy capitalism as much as possible and replace it with socialist central planning. The professed concern for Mother Earth is only a means to the real end.
By contrast, a conservationist is one who is genuinely concerned about conserving natural resources.
Here in NZ most of the professed "greenies" fit into the "forgive them father they know not what they do" brigade, as they follow the "Green" flag of the "red gutted" watermelons controlling the Green Party!
I quite like watermelon. I never knew how subversive it was.
GASP - I put vodka with mine. What do you think that means?
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