Death by Boy Racer [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

schrodingers cat

21st May 2010, 19:02

I've just seen the segment on the News about the Mother and daughter killed by a fuckwit boyracer.
Apparently he tried to do a couple of drifts, lost control and mowed them down.

First off - what a tradegy for the family of the dead.

I lack the works to express my comtept for these 'car enthusiasts' who have neither skill or judgement.
Christchurch has an easily acessable race track with 2 'test' days a week, dedicated drifting days and plenty of 'run what you brung' drag meetings.

There is no way these dickheads should be given any slack. They are scum. Their behaviour makes them so

peasea

21st May 2010, 19:06

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3725267/One-child-dead-another-injured-in-Christchurch-crash

Cocks. Who's for a lynching?

Mudfart

21st May 2010, 19:26

as soon as these guys make the slightest adjustment to their cars, they wanna test them. there needs to be dedicated tracks that are open 24/7 out in the wopps.
i remember seeing people pouring deisel pits all over corners of public roads to do burnouts/skids at illegal drag meets on saturday nights.....on tv.......

CookMySock

21st May 2010, 19:31

as soon as these guys make the slightest adjustment to their cars, they wanna test them. there needs to be dedicated tracks that are open 24/7 out in the wopps.I make no excuse for their antics, but there seriously needs to be off-the-road areas for them. We have organised track days, whats available for them?

Steve

scumdog

21st May 2010, 19:32

I make no excuse for their antics, but there seriously needs to be off-the-road areas for them. We have organised track days, whats available for them?

Steve

Track days??

schrodingers cat

21st May 2010, 19:36

I make no excuse for their antics, but there seriously needs to be off-the-road areas for them. We have organised track days, whats available for them?

Steve

I've noticed that you are more of a writer than a reader DB.
As my initial post said - 2 days a week (Tue/Fri) Ruapuna is availible to rock up, pay the fee and drive around till your wheels are square.
Of course its not open Thur/Fri/Sat nite and there is no cut price bottle store out there

Coldrider

21st May 2010, 19:38

track days or not, there is no fu...kin excuse, end of story.

Kickaha

21st May 2010, 19:38

whats available for them?

Open track Tuesdays and Fridays at Ruapuna, regular drag meetings, Drift practice days, Circuit racing, 20 minutes from central Christchurch

Smifffy

21st May 2010, 19:43

Open track Tuesdays and Fridays at Ruapuna, regular drag meetings, Drift practice days, Circuit racing, 20 minutes from central Christchurch

How many woodstock and colas could one get for the price of admission though?

Vrrrrrrm pish, Vrrrrrrrrrm pish

Coldrider

21st May 2010, 19:46

How many woodstock and colas could one get for the price of admission though?

Vrrrrrrm pish, Vrrrrrrrrrm pishAlot of boy racers don't actually drink alcohol.

Smifffy

21st May 2010, 19:50

Alot of boy racers don't actually drink alcohol.

And some do, so what's your point again? Mine was that some may choose not pay the price of admission to the track, because they spend it on other things.

schrodingers cat

21st May 2010, 20:14

And some do, so what's your point again? Mine was that some may choose not pay the price of admission to the track, because they spend it on other things.

Like party pills or a really fucking annoying blowoff valve or his last speeding ticket (Yeah right) First to $20,000 gets them wiped...

CookMySock

21st May 2010, 20:21

I've noticed that you are more of a writer than a reader DB.
As my initial post said - 2 days a week (Tue/Fri) Ruapuna is availible to rock up, pay the fee and drive around till your wheels are square.
Of course its not open Thur/Fri/Sat nite and there is no cut price bottle store out thereThere is the rest of the country of course.

Steve

watermellon

21st May 2010, 20:26

Can't even begin to imagine the desparate grief and anguish in that child's household tonight. It's something they'll never get over. It's not something I think I could ever come to terms with. All this pain because some low-life piece of shit wants to fuck about on public roads in his piece of shit car.

My thoughts are with the family.

Headbanger

21st May 2010, 20:52

An eye for an eye.

Kill the fucker.

Headbanger

21st May 2010, 20:55

There is the rest of the country of course.

Steve

There are car clubs and orginised events all across the country.

That aside, fuck em, No one owes the fuckers anything. You don't see gun owners firing their weapons in the street because no one built them a gun range.

Sentox

21st May 2010, 20:55

Dave Lobster

21st May 2010, 20:58

I make no excuse for their antics, but there seriously needs to be off-the-road areas for them. We have organised track days, whats available for them?

Steve

The fucking death pit.

Coldrider

21st May 2010, 21:10

And some do, so what's your point again? Mine was that some may choose not pay the price of admission to the track, because they spend it on other things.you raised the point about alcohol, RETARD.

scumdog

21st May 2010, 21:22

SMOKEU

21st May 2010, 21:26

Laava

21st May 2010, 21:32

I make no excuse for their antics, but there seriously needs to be off-the-road areas for them. We have organised track days, whats available for them?

Steve

I've said it before, but here'tis again. They don't want to be on a track out in the country where they aren't disturbing anyone. They want to be seen. That's why they hoon round town. That's why they are called boy racers. Do not get them confused with car enthusiasts. And yes there are motorcyclists who are no better as well.

SMOKEU

21st May 2010, 21:36

None of you know what actually happened. I know it is a very tragic set of circumstances, but you are all making assumptions on what you have seen in the media, which is only part of the story. I know for a fact that there were other vehicles involved in this crash; a Galant which ran a red light and a Commodore.

Smifffy

21st May 2010, 21:53

you raised the point about alcohol, RETARD.

I did, and blow off valves, as did someone else along with party pills and unpaid traffic fines. Further to my point is that even if many of the drivers don't drink, a lot of their groupies do. The clowns in that chopped up civic claimed they didn't drink alcohol either, and successfully denied it right until they hit that wall. Are you going to put your hands on your hips and stamp your feet now?

Thanks to your post we have established that I raised the point about alcohol, and we established that you think I'm a capitalised retard. Let's wait and see what the blood alcohol of the driver comes back at before we call each other names, shall we?

Coldrider

21st May 2010, 22:02

I did, and blow off valves, as did someone else along with party pills and unpaid traffic fines. Further to my point is that even if many of the drivers don't drink, a lot of their groupies do. The clowns in that chopped up civic claimed they didn't drink alcohol either, and successfully denied it right until they hit that wall. Are you going to put your hands on your hips and stamp your feet now?

Thanks to your post we have established that I raised the point about alcohol, and we established that you think I'm a capitalised retard. Let's wait and see what the blood alcohol of the driver comes back at before we call each other names, shall we?You compared alcohol to the cost of admission to the race park. nothi ng more, no stuff in stuff about alcohol, purely you making up fantasies.
I stated not all boy racers drink alcohol, and that would be more of a fact wouldn't it.

Katman

21st May 2010, 22:05

and we established that you think I'm a capitalised retard.

It could have been worse.

He could have used an exclamation mark.

huff3r

21st May 2010, 22:08

I've said it before, but here'tis again. They don't want to be on a track out in the country where they aren't disturbing anyone. They want to be seen. That's why they hoon round town. That's why they are called boy racers. Do not get them confused with car enthusiasts. And yes there are motorcyclists who are no better as well.

This man says it all right here! This is why my highly modified BMW only gets a thrashing at Manfeild, a couple of times a year for Intermarque Sprints. The rest of the time it's driven sensibly on the public road :D

Oh, and strangely enough, the "boy-racers" in Wellington are so frightened of losing their cars + licenses that they only congregate in spots known only to them, mostly out of the way of the majority of the public. In fact Wellington boy-racers seem to do all their stupid stuff in safe(r) places, apart from the tools who race around the basin in town. But they are a minority, and mostly frowned upon... The majority are trying to clean up their act (maybe they're all just getting old? :lol:)

Coldrider

21st May 2010, 22:09

and we established that you think I'm a capitalised retard ! fixed thanks

EJK

21st May 2010, 22:12

Not a good story is it? But it was a manslaughter not a motive murder. So I bet he'll be shit scared right now, probably thinking of suicide at his age.

Feel sorry for both sides.

Toaster

21st May 2010, 22:21

A 250kg bike travelling at 150kmh is going to kill any person it hits.

But after reading countless posts on this site about speeding, anyone would think speed didn't kill??!!

Indiana_Jones

21st May 2010, 22:24

There are car clubs and orginised events all across the country.

That aside, fuck em, No one owes the fuckers anything. You don't see gun owners firing their weapons in the street because no one built them a gun range.

You pretty much said exactly what I was going to type in, being a firearm owner myself....

None of you know what actually happened. I know it is a very tragic set of circumstances, but you are all making assumptions on what you have seen in the media, which is only part of the story. I know for a fact that there were other vehicles involved in this crash; a Galant which ran a red light and a Commodore.

Agreed, but this is Kiwibiker, which is no different then any other club/pub talk/bollcks.

-Indy

SMOKEU

21st May 2010, 22:24

But after reading countless posts on this site about speeding, anyone would think speed didn't kill??!!

Apparently if you smoke too much of it, speed can kill. Or so I'm told.

Toaster

21st May 2010, 22:25

None of you know what actually happened. I know it is a very tragic set of circumstances.

Yeah but you know Kiwibiker.... many if not everyone make assumptions one time or another. Facts? Merely details getting in the way of a good winge and rant!

Yes it is a terrible tragedy.

Katman

21st May 2010, 22:35

But after reading countless posts on this site about speeding, anyone would think speed didn't kill??!!

Beggars belief - dunnit.

Smifffy

21st May 2010, 22:35

So how many woodstocks can one get for the price of a track day?

SMOKEU

21st May 2010, 22:46

Yeah but you know Kiwibiker.... many if not everyone make assumptions one time or another. Facts? Merely details getting in the way of a good winge and rant!

Yes it is a terrible tragedy.

It seems that everyone is so keen to blame the 'boy racer', but no one else (except for the cops) are even considering the other 2 vehicles that were involved. Most people on this site simply think it was some idiot drifting a car around a corner and losing control, therefore killing an innocent child. Why did that car lose control? Maybe it has something to do with the Galant which ran the red light? Maybe the Commodore which was behind the Galant had something to do with it. I'm sure it was not just one error that lead to this 1V, but rather a set of rather unfortunate circumstances which ended up in a death.

The media only tell part of the story, because they themselves only know a very small proportion of the facts. Their job is to sell a story, not to tell the truth. Too many people take the word of the media as gospel, and then feel the need to start a witch hunt so they can burn the offender at the stake.

I'm sure that, in due course, (most) of the facts of the case will come out, and be known to the general public. Until then, it is very foolish not to keep an open mind in regards to this case. The person who was driving the vehicle who crashed into the now deceased will surely not be jumping around with joy, it will have emotionally scarred them for life.

Berries

22nd May 2010, 01:04

So how many woodstocks can one get for the price of a track day?

A lot of boy racers don't actually drink alcohol. !

Headbanger

22nd May 2010, 01:08

A lot of boy racers don't actually drink alcohol. !

A lot of boy racers don't actually kill children either.

EJK

22nd May 2010, 01:15

Touché!</10char>

sinfull

22nd May 2010, 01:27

Who says he has to be a drunk boy racer ! Out of controll is out of contoll !

ynot slow

22nd May 2010, 09:06

That aside, fuck em, No one owes the fuckers anything. You don't see gun owners firing their weapons in the street because no one built them a gun range.

We could use these idiots(boy racers who injure/kill)as targets,back country road,give em 10 seconds and fire,bring the sniper scoped .308 or what you have,entry you get the tail.

schrodingers cat

22nd May 2010, 09:28

A lot of vehemence towards the boy racers here. Are motorcyclists popping wheelies on the public road equally reprehensible? Or does the (possibly) lessened danger to other motorists negate this?

What gets me is that in either case, if nothing else, surely you can find portions of the public road less inhabited. It says a lot that people are so stupid as to try these maneuvers anywhere a mother and child might possibly be. What's next, drag racing in school zones?

If a motorcyclist was popping a wheelie, lost control and killed someone I would be equally as hard in my opinion of them. Same for two bikes street racing. As I said - they lack SKILLS and JUDGEMENT.

Irrespective of the behaviour of the mysterious Galand or red light running Commodore the light was low and the street was greasy. The accelerator works in two directions and discression is the better part of valour. If he lost control then his speed was excessive to the grip availible and no margin was left for the unexpected.

The whole boy racer culture is toxic.

PS - SmokeU - your avatar and the 250cc bike you ride suggests some bias on this topic...

Pixie

22nd May 2010, 09:59

I If he lost control then his speed was excessive to the grip availible and no margin was left for the unexpected.

Er,other reasons for loss of control are:being hit by something else?Perhaps?
No BURN THEMBURN THEM

SMOKEU

22nd May 2010, 10:15

PS - SmokeU - your avatar and the 250cc bike you ride suggests some bias on this topic...

I'm waiting until I get my 6F before I buy a 1000cc bike.

Grubber

22nd May 2010, 10:43

Alot of boy racers don't actually drink alcohol.

HaHaHaHa.....that is so funny. Yea they eat ice cream and club sandwich's i guess. Not the ones i have seen i'm afraid. Liqueured up to the eyeballs the ones i saw.

Grubber

22nd May 2010, 10:53

I heard about the crash on my scanner, the informant called 111 and said that one kid was dead. Before you say that all people who drive 'modified' cars are bad people, how many of you ride motorbikes irresponsibly on public roads? A 250kg bike travelling at 150kmh is going to kill any person it hits.

Don't make excuses fella.....Playing one off against the other isn't an option. You be the idiot whether it be a car or a bike. Wet roads doin drifts when ya can't drive for shit anyway. Yep that should just about guarantee ya kill someone eventually.

schrodingers cat

22nd May 2010, 10:54

Er,other reasons for loss of control are:being hit by something else?Perhaps?

Certainly wasn't by the 'big bag of brains' stick was it?

mattian

22nd May 2010, 11:06

slofox

22nd May 2010, 11:11

At this point all my sympathies are with the family of the children involved - not much with the driver. But then that is a typical emotive reaction to this kind of thing - especially given the rep of your "typical boy racer' which the driver may or may not have been.
All I can say is that I would hope, given the prevailing road conditions, that I might have been driving with a little more care than this guy seems to have been doing - carefully enough to avoid sliding all over the road and onto the footpath and into a family. I hope. But then I am old enough to care about my impact on other citizens. At 18, I might have been less aware...(was actually...)
Have to say though, I bleed for the parents of the kids - no parent should have to bury a young child as a result of the actions of others, careless or not.

schrodingers cat

22nd May 2010, 12:15

Actually I do sympathsise with the driver. He's fucked. His life is fucked. He has bought misery to his family as well.
However - judgement and skill

BMWST?

22nd May 2010, 12:32

There is the rest of the country of course.

Steve and there are other tracks.

{.bLanK}G_o_D

22nd May 2010, 12:50

peasea

22nd May 2010, 13:44

Nope. No sympathy for the driver. That cunt's going to jail for a long time.
Smoku, you are right in a way, the media often make shit up to sell a story but this time I think it's pretty clear cut. Accidents happen, but to mount the footpath and kill pedestrians you have to be doing something stupid. Who gives a shit what the other two cars were doing unless one of them physically pushed this dude off the road into pedestrians that's no excuse at all.
I think our country should adopt the yanks 3 degrees of murder system. This would be 2nd degree murder.

I doubt he'll do very much time, if any. Have you read the sentences being handed down recently? The only sentence that has any meaning is the sentence that the innocent parties will endure for the remainder of their lives; ie; the family of the deceased.

I'll bet you a pound to a knob of goat's shit that dickhead gets little more than a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket (by comparison to the suffering of the aforementioned innocents) and after a couple of years he'll just get on with his life and be 'rehabilitated' at our expense.

I do, however, agree that varying degrees of murder (including vehicular murder/manslaughter) should be introduced. 'Dangerous driving causing death' is what it's called I think but murder or manslaughter would so much better on any fucktard's rap sheet.

This guy didn't need to try and drift in a public place but he chose to. This is no accident, it's an incident brought about by acute fuckwitism. It was a deliberate act and he needs to pay for it. Dearly.

He won't though; and that is just part of the sadness of it all.

SMOKEU

22nd May 2010, 13:53

This guy didn't need to try and drift in a public place but he chose to. This is no accident, it's an incident brought about by acute fuckwitism. It was a deliberate act and he needs to pay for it. Dearly.

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

JMemonic

22nd May 2010, 13:55

Ok an emotive topic, someone has mentioned cars running red lights and other vehicles involved the nearest light controlled intersection is 400 meters away and there is reasonable visibility in this area so really until the Police do their jobs and investigate there will be much speculation.

I live near the location and it is not uncommon to hear vehicles performing antics involving sustained loss of traction at all times of the day and night on any given day, the intersection in question has recently undergone some maintenance in the form of sand blasting so the surface is a but roughed up. I figure that should mean improved traction.

My thoughts go out to the family of the little one who was killed in this incident, and unfortunately in my opinion it was only a matter of time before something happened in the area, Linwood ave is a 60Kph section of two lane road and it is not uncommon to see cars using it as a race track or drag strip, I have personally had near collisions and been tail-ended by cars that in my estimates are travelling at speeds exceeding 100Kph.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Aldwins+Rd&daddr=-43.53568,172.676772&hl=en&geocode=Fcy6Z_0dBshKCg%3B&mra=mi&mrsp=1,0&sz=16&sll=-43.536369,172.678621&sspn=0.010189,0.01929&ie=UTF8&ll=-43.535032,172.676969&spn=0.005095,0.009645&t=h&z=17

Katman

22nd May 2010, 14:01

If a motorcyclist was popping a wheelie, lost control and killed someone I would be equally as hard in my opinion of them.

Just try that in here and the posts will be slammed into PD faster than you can blink and you'll be infracted that hard your nose will bleed.

Trust me - I know.

peasea

22nd May 2010, 14:08

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

I ride a Wideglide, it doesn't do (or hasn't since I've owned it) wheelies, so that doesn't apply to me. As it happens I/we ride very conservatively and I've not had a speeding ticket on my current ride. I think you're referring to sports bike riders who generally think they're Rossi on acid.

Paul in NZ

22nd May 2010, 14:31

For goodness sake - does it really matter HOW this poor wee mite died? Sure - no one really likes boy racers and the culpret is fairly obvious in this case. BUT! Is it somehow worse to be wiped out by a boy racer than say killed in a normal traffic 'accident' or murdered by a family member.

Pick up a paper and read the news. Bad stuff happens every day and distressingly a hell of a lot of it is preventable. Child abuse, alcohol abuse, drug abuse you name it - the list of victims is long and growing daily. At least this kid got out of his car and tried CPR and he didn't leg it. He deserves some credit for that as I've seen grown men at bike accidents without a clue in the world re CPR and nervy when the cops turn up...

YES - this kid did a stupid thing and there was a tragic result, he deserves to feel the full weight of the law. BUT - we have seen people on this very board do even stupider things and in at least one case cause the death of someone else and apparently they are not that bad? Face it - we ALL royally fuck up and if we are lucky no one gets hurt. We should be very careful holding others up to standards we ourselves cannot meet.

There is nothing good about this and I suspect nothing good will come of it but isn't about time we heard from the fuckin AA suggesting that maybe allowing 18 year olds to drive 200bhp plus cars aint such a flash idea?

Aside from this - this is a heartbreaking story - RIP little guy, you sure didn't desrve this.

Katman

22nd May 2010, 14:42

BUT - we have seen people on this very board do even stupider things and in at least one case cause the death of someone else and apparently they are not that bad?

Oh, it's worse than that Paul.

It seems he's still looked upon as some sort of Motorcycling God.

mattian

22nd May 2010, 14:52

And I guess that bikers don't need to do wheelies in a public place, but they choose to. But then again, bikers can do whatever they like on a public road and endanger as many people as they want to, but if a cager does the same they should be shot, or that's what many people on this site say.

Why is that even relevant to this incident? listening to you is like listening to the offender in the docks. "but, your honour, I see guys on motorcycles doing wheelies all the time and... and...and....

Its not even relevant.

Katman

22nd May 2010, 15:01

Why is that even relevant to this incident? listening to you is like listening to the offender in the docks. "but, your honour, I see guys on motorcycles doing wheelies all the time and... and...and....

Its not even relevant.

I think it's the repulsive double standards that are all too often shown on this site that were being pointed out - not the revelance to this incident.

Coldrider

22nd May 2010, 15:40

How many woodstock and colas could one get for the price of admission though?

Vrrrrrrm pish, Vrrrrrrrrrm pish

So how many woodstocks can one get for the price of a track day?

HaHaHaHa.....that is so funny. Yea they eat ice cream and club sandwich's i guess. Not the ones i have seen i'm afraid. Liqueured up to the eyeballs the ones i saw.
So how much alcohol was invloved in this incident?

SMOKEU

22nd May 2010, 16:07

Why is that even relevant to this incident? listening to you is like listening to the offender in the docks. "but, your honour, I see guys on motorcycles doing wheelies all the time and... and...and....

Its not even relevant.

I'm referring to the double standards that exist. Bikers who do 200+kmh on a public road often say "boy racers should have their cars impounded and their balls chopped off"

schrodingers cat

22nd May 2010, 16:34

Just try that in here and the posts will be slammed into PD faster than you can blink and you'll be infracted that hard your nose will bleed.

Trust me - I know.

Cheers for the 'heads up'. Otherwise it seems a really balanced and decent website... Choke cough

peasea

22nd May 2010, 16:43

Cheers for the 'heads up'. Otherwise it seems a really balanced and decent website... Choke cough

Just like real life.

PrincessBandit

22nd May 2010, 17:15

Headbanger

22nd May 2010, 18:04

why are people accusing the driver of being a boy racer?

What is a boy racer?

A twat driving a twat wagon in a twatish way, Boy isn't just a description of age/gender but of social standing.

Besides, The Herald said so.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10646769

Katman

22nd May 2010, 18:37

(One little change).

What is a boy racer?

A twat driving a twat vehicle in a twatish way, Boy isn't just a description of age/gender but of social standing.

That's better. Far easier to include all forms of transport into that description.

EJK

22nd May 2010, 19:08

Coldrider

22nd May 2010, 19:53

Scuse my ignorance here, but is the "boy racer" premise based on the driver's age, gender and the photo of the car? The reason I'm asking is to see whether there is any other information to determine that "boy racers" are to blame. It is entirely possible that it was simply a young person losing control of their car ending in extremely tragic results. My point is that unless there is other info which I've not read, why are people accusing the driver of being a boy racer?Policeman on TV1 news said that alcohol and 'boy racing' (whatever that means) are not involved in this accident.
There are several on this thread who are living out a fantasy, manufacturing crap from the compost heap they crawl in.

SMOKEU

22nd May 2010, 20:05

S15 with mag wheels, 18-years.

Yep. Boy racer.

Says who???

EJK

22nd May 2010, 20:07

Said I. Oh sorry, I forgot to add this -> :sarcasm:

hayd3n

22nd May 2010, 20:50

i wonder if the car had chopped springs aswell

huff3r

22nd May 2010, 21:46

i wonder if the car had chopped springs aswell

I very much doubt it. It didnt look like it, and if he has an S15, chances are he has the money to do the right thing. Also, as has been pointed out, he could quite easily be someone who has never raced in his life, never lost traction before that day, etc etc. Too much jumping to conclusions for sure!

So he has an S15, strangely enough people like them, they are a nice looking car. Doesnt mean he picked it for its boy-racer qualities (powerful RWD), its entirely possible the car was picked for him by parents, or he simply chose it because he liked the look of it, or because its the "in" thing at the moment.

Seems some of the narrow-minded people on here need to grow the fuck up, and stop judging others without knowing any of the story. I'm only 20, and sure I'm young, but fuck me if I'm gonna go round saying all old people are arrogant pricks who drive like shit, and would fail a driving test in an instant regardless of wether its true or not. And don't go pretending the old man didnt like to put his foot into it and get the falcon/commodore a bit sideways when you were a kid either, cos we all know thats bullshit.

Yes it was an unfortunate accident, and I'm sure the affected parties have all learnt from it. Truth is the kid probably wouldnt have caused such a horrendous accident if he'd been taught how to control a skid, but of course as long as he knows his give way rules he's sweet to drive anything, anywhere, anytime right?

cruza

22nd May 2010, 22:16

Scuse my ignorance here, but is the "boy racer" premise based on the driver's age, gender and the photo of the car? The reason I'm asking is to see whether there is any other information to determine that "boy racers" are to blame. It is entirely possible that it was simply a young person losing control of their car ending in extremely tragic results. My point is that unless there is other info which I've not read, why are people accusing the driver of being a boy racer?

nissan silvia, modded, wet road. car was seen fishing tailing , drifting , massive impact from pics I've seen. Just a guy being a bloody dick head . he deserves every thing they can charge him with. I see this stuff happening more and more on our local roads in christchurch, every day, drifting thru intersections etc. and many many near misses.
Some young people really lack a sense of realilty.

cruza

22nd May 2010, 22:22

I very much doubt it. It didnt look like it, and if he has an S15, chances are he has the money to do the right thing. Also, as has been pointed out, he could quite easily be someone who has never raced in his life, never lost traction before that day, etc etc. Too much jumping to conclusions for sure!

So he has an S15, strangely enough people like them, they are a nice looking car. Doesnt mean he picked it for its boy-racer qualities (powerful RWD), its entirely possible the car was picked for him by parents, or he simply chose it because he liked the look of it, or because its the "in" thing at the moment.

Seems some of the narrow-minded people on here need to grow the fuck up, and stop judging others without knowing any of the story. I'm only 20, and sure I'm young, but fuck me if I'm gonna go round saying all old people are arrogant pricks who drive like shit, and would fail a driving test in an instant regardless of wether its true or not. And don't go pretending the old man didnt like to put his foot into it and get the falcon/commodore a bit sideways when you were a kid either, cos we all know thats bullshit.

Yes it was an unfortunate accident, and I'm sure the affected parties have all learnt from it. Truth is the kid probably wouldnt have caused such a horrendous accident if he'd been taught how to control a skid, but of course as long as he knows his give way rules he's sweet to drive anything, anywhere, anytime right?

No parent in there right mind would choose a nissan s15............. 20 aye...... says it all , come back in 15-20years

watermellon

22nd May 2010, 22:39

Yes it was an unfortunate accident, and I'm sure the affected parties have all learnt from it.

I'm guessing you don't have kids? Had the child lost in this 'unfortunate accident' been mine .... Christ, it doesn't bear thinking about.

'... affected parties'? This mother's life just totally fucking imploded. Her whole life will be divided into two; the life before this and the life after. You have no idea. No disrespect to you but it's this kind of ambivalence that results in the kind of reckless disregard for people (real people with lives and families who care about them and who want to see them again) that we see on our roads every day.

SMOKEU

22nd May 2010, 23:16

quickbuck

22nd May 2010, 23:36

What is a Nissan Sylvia? I've never heard of it. Is it some new prototype vehicle that I haven't seen before?

He Said "nissan syliva"...... a term used in the same vein as Sprot Bikes....
A bit of slang, if you will.....

PrincessBandit

22nd May 2010, 23:41

He Said "nissan syliva"...... a term used in the same vein as Sprot Bikes....
A bit of slang, if you will.....

Mon deiu! I speet on your nissan sy-liva; non, I oui oui on eet!

reemit

22nd May 2010, 23:59

nissan syliva, modded, wet road. car was seen fishing tailing , drifting , massive impact from pics I've seen. Just a guy being a bloody dick head . he deserves every thing they can charge him with. I see this stuff happening more and more on our local roads in christchurch, every day, drifting thru intersections etc. and many many near misses.
Some young people really lack a sense of realilty.
Saw one exibition of moronic prowess a couple of days ago near Clevedon. Losers in 3 shitcan modded jap cars with 'pineapples' for suspension, doing gay drifting into oncoming traffic to the extent that other cars and me on the bike had to pull to the side of the road so we didnt get hit. Smoke and shit and gangsta rap vomit all over the scene. Twats.

DIN PELENDA

23rd May 2010, 00:42

I very much doubt it. It didnt look like it, and if he has an S15, chances are he has the money to do the right thing.
Why don't you just STFU, what is right thing to do , he is not god he can't bring boy back to life.

Seems some of the narrow-minded people on here need to grow the fuck up, and stop judging others without knowing any of the story. I'm only 20, and sure I'm young, but fuck me if I'm gonna go round saying all old people are arrogant pricks who drive like shit, and would fail a driving test in an instant regardless of wether its true or not.

Yes it was an unfortunate accident, and I'm sure the affected parties have all learnt from it. Truth is the kid probably wouldn't have caused such a horrendous accident if he'd been taught how to control a skid, but of course as long as he knows his give way rules he's sweet to drive anything, anywhere, anytime right?
You don't even qualified to talk about this, as someone say to you come back in 15-20 years or the day that you hold your kid in your arms you will look at this very different.

What are you talking abut : " right thing to do" , he is probably got rich dad, but he is not god he can't bring boy back to life.

Most affected party are boys and parents . So WTF you on about learn from it , how can he learn anything as all his life is taking from him, and one that survive will learn what ; that he is not safe to walk streets with his mum, o yeah and that he is go no brother .

The way I see it from what witnesses say yesterday as they interview with two bit older boys : first thing they herd was exhaust and then car turning in street and start drifting and then lost control and loud nose . It is ease to spin and drift on wet road , but it is also ease to loose grip on all 4 and slide and that what he done , he fuck it up wrong place and time and cost kid life.
Me and lot of us bikers do speed , as we my do say coro loop, but from what I can see all of us keep very close to speed limit as we come to small and any town.

DIN PELENDA

23rd May 2010, 01:11

An eye for an eye.

Kill the fucker.

X2
Not a tough talk but I seriously hope no any asshole like this 18 yo harm any of my kids, if so he better commit suicide or I will kill him. I my get out of jail one day, but my kid and out of grave newer, nether will he !!!
This can destroyed man and that is what will do to me and any parent, so I will do everything to destroyed him, fuck him and forgiveness .
If he kill my kid, the day he gets out of jail and I run him over with 4x4, I will forgive him !

cruza

23rd May 2010, 08:40

What is a Nissan Sylvia? I've never heard of it. Is it some new prototype vehicle that I haven't seen before?

guess you'd never think it was a typo.............

Have you got kids mate? ......naa bet ya only just started wipping ya own bum .

scumdog

23rd May 2010, 08:45

massive impact from pics I've seen.

It was for the two kids.

But looks to be about 50-60kph max. impact from my experience...we'll all just have to wait and see eh!

huff3r

23rd May 2010, 09:00

Wow some people are getting antsy! Yes, a kid died, that is a terrible tragedy. But... and i know i'm gonne get flamed for this, PEOPLE DIE! It is a part of life as much as life itself, you cant protect everyone from everything. And yes, some accidents are avoidable, and yes this one probably was. But for the people threatening murder in this thread, i think you need to take another look at yourself. An eye for an eye makes you just as bad, if not worse than this kid in the silvia. Intentionally taking someones life, regardless of the reason you hold on your god-damned moral high-ground, is just sick and wrong.

The thing we should really be taking from this, and a major point in my last post was that people in NZ do not know how to control a skid! Regardless of wether he started it intentionally, or unintentionally he should have been able to keep the vehicle under control. But nope, we dont teach those skills in NZ, we teach our kids how to read road-signs, and who they should be giving way to, and in the case of most people on here, we also teach them that cops are a bunch of tossers for upholding those rules we teach them.

Yes, I understand it would be devastatinng to lose a child, and it will have a massive impact on those involved, but unfortunately thats the way of this world. Can you imagine the world we would be living in if no-one died?

JMemonic

23rd May 2010, 09:08

Wow some people are getting antsy! Yes, a kid died, that is a terrible tragedy.<snip>
But for the people threatening murder in this thread, i think you need to take another look at yourself.

I have not yet seen anyone actually threaten murder, some have stated their feelings and what they believe they would do if they found themselves as a parent of a child killed by an idiot drifting, or driving a car in a reckless manner.

It was an easily avoidable tragedy, first thing the driver could have done is displayed a bit of curiosity towards the pedestrians that at the time of day this happened if he had looked he would have seen, he could have gone out to the track to play silly buggers, the list of things that could have been done to prevent this is possibly endless.

scumdog

23rd May 2010, 09:15

Kickaha

23rd May 2010, 09:24

I see huff3rs point to a certain extent - it seems to me that according to KB posters it's OK for people to be killed on NZ roads unless (a) they are kids and (b) they are killed by a young punk in a fast looking car.

Have I summed up the KB way??

You also forgot unless they are Motorcyclists, even if they are doing dumb shit

I wonder if we'll see the same level of condemnation next time a motorcyclist kills someone?

Woodman

23rd May 2010, 09:26

The accident is a tragedy, and the driver was driving like a dickhead and will never ever forget this and nor should he considering the pain he has caused a lot of people.

yes it is ver easy to get all high horsey and high handed about this, but many of us can look back at our own youthdom and probarbly recall many times when we dropped a wheelie or did a burnout or drove pissed as a parrot. I can and looking back, yea it was silly but it hasn't changed and this kind of thing will continue to happen. The term boy racer was not around then, we were just young guys who occaisionally got outa control (not always in cars). The difference with boy racers is they seem to be a culture that some people aspire too and really want to go out and cause mayhem.

Headbanger

23rd May 2010, 09:26

Two dead and one seriously injured at Whangarei overnight, no KB ranting about that - and I'd put money on it that some form of idiocy by the driver - not an 'accident' that caused this on too.

I see huff3rs point to a certain extent - it seems to me that according to KB posters it's OK for people to be killed on NZ roads unless (a) they are kids and (b) they are killed by a young punk in a fast looking car.

Have I summed up the KB way??

There is a large difference between killing someones child and getting yourself killed.

and to be brutal, I'm ok with people taking themselves out by their fuckwit actions, I just hope they remove themselves before they harm others..

And this applies to boy racers, dicks on bikes, and cops, Fuck it, I don't see anyone claiming bikers are exempt or have the right to kill others, Though apparently thats "often" the case.

Bullshit.

Katman

23rd May 2010, 09:32

The difference with boy racers is they seem to be a culture that some people aspire too and really want to go out and cause mayhem.

The difference these days is that with the advent of the internet and everyone having mobile phones it is all too easy to gather a large crowd of like minded idiots. They then feed off each others stupidity.

Back in our youth it was probably only 3 or 4 mates gathered by word of mouth.

scumdog

23rd May 2010, 09:33

There is a large difference between killing someones child and getting yourself killed.

and to be brutal, I'm ok with people taking themselves out by their fuckwit actions, I just hope they remove themselves before they harm others..

And this applies to boy racers, dicks on bikes, and cops, Fuck it, I don't see anyone claiming bikers are exempt or have the right to kill others, Though apparently thats "often" the case.

Bullshit.

So in the Whangarei example it was 'Really Bad' because any way you look at it the driver killed two people and was injured or at best has died and killed one other and injured another??

Headbanger

23rd May 2010, 09:36

So in the Whangarei example it was 'Really Bad' because any way you look at it the driver killed two people and was injured or at best has died and killed one other and injured another??

They all made the decision to get into the car, and they were old enough to take responsibility for themselves.

The child who was mowed down did not have any say in his fate or the events leading up to it, and should have been safe walking up the footpath with his mum.

meteor

23rd May 2010, 09:37

Wow some people are getting antsy! Yes, a kid died, that is a terrible tragedy. But... ...Little white trash boy racer's car fishtailing down the road in the wet kills child.... there's no BUT!

And now Mum has jumped into the fray and said her little Johnny's not a boy racer.... Whatever!

Some parent's don't get it, being a mother or father has duties and responsibilities, being supportive is just one of those. Damn I forgot this is the rant n rave forum..

Huff3r... if you're going to try the hippies Utopian group therapy approach you're in the wrong place.... Not at all in the KB lynch mob spirit...

Woodman

23rd May 2010, 09:42

The difference these days is that with the advent of the internet and everyone having mobile phones it is all too easy to gather a large crowd of like minded idiots. They then feed off each others stupidity.

Back in our youth it was probably only 3 or 4 mates gathered by word of mouth.

na it wasn't even that, usually just random skids coming home from thepub/footy club wherever. Maybe they should make rugger compusory again lol.

I deal with a fair few car enthusiasts on a daily basis, and you can tell the serial boy racers apart. They are generally the anaemic, skinny, pimple squeezing twats who try to talk like gangsters. The " conversations " I hear them having almost make me cry with laughter, its very hard not to take the piss.

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 09:47

Ya know what I'm seeing is a bunch of media hype that frankly sucks. Untill such time as CSI have actually pieced together what happened then I'd suggest that people stop beating chests.
How many of you have been to that intersection in the wet? How many of you have driven a skyline in slippery conditions? I can tell you from personal experience things get very messy very fast --and that was driving with caution. Im not saying he wasn't driving like a F...wit but untill you know for sure then why not mourn a tragic accident.

PrincessBandit

23rd May 2010, 09:50

Woodman, you took the words right out of my mouth. "Let he who is without sin...." and all that.
Looking back on my youth (yes, I was one back when dinosaurs roamed the earth) even I did things that there but for the grace of God (yes, that is my interpretation of it, others can use whichever they feel more comfortable with) which could easily have ended up in tragedy for someone else.

Who on here has never run a red light (even accidentally), backed out of a driveway without first scrupulously ensuring that there are no kids around, rushed through an intersection or even slid through an intersection in poor weather, I could go on....... but they were lucky enough that the other vehicle in the proximilty happened to be only a few seconds either side of being collected by your vehicle.

C'mon people. Yes, I am a mother. Yes my heart is broken for this poor woman. But as for the young driver, lets see first of all whether it's proven that he's a serial punkass dickhead driver, or whether he has copped the shit moment on the road, which any one of us could have faced in our lives, before hanging and quartering him.

Kickaha

23rd May 2010, 09:53

But as for the young driver, lets see first of all whether it's proven that he's a serial punkass dickhead driver, or whether he has copped the shit moment on the road, which any one of us could have faced in our lives, before hanging and quartering him.

That isn't the "KB way"

Headbanger

23rd May 2010, 09:55

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 10:05

Incident.

I have driven our skyline in the wet hundreds of times, so far I haven't mowed down any children.

But I guarantee if I did it would be my fault and not the cars.
Never for a moment nwould I suggest otherwise but theres a huge difference between an accident and a deliberate act.
Frankly if the whole drift thing was deliberate I have no sympathy at all for him. But if it was a momentary error in judgement that turned really ugly really fast then its something that could and if we are all honest with ourselves HAS happened to us at some point in our driving/riding history. (right up to the killing an innocent victim point)
How many threads on kb about rider down or "idiot car driver did this or that are there??
Are our memories so bad that we ignore the lesson that two bloody fantastic riders taught us??

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 10:25

Guys n gals theres a reason Im suggesting WE as motorcyclists need to be very carefull what we say. If we join in the catchcry "burn the boyracers" and the gubbiment bans kids from "fast" cars then who's the next easy target? NO UNDER 25 YEAR OLDS ON BIKES OVER 500cc maybee.

schrodingers cat

23rd May 2010, 10:27

How many of you have driven a skyline in slippery conditions? I can tell you from personal experience things get very messy very fast --and that was driving with caution.

If you can't crontrol yourself in a road car perhaps you need to take the bus FFS

and to be brutal, I'm ok with people taking themselves out by their fuckwit actions, I just hope they remove themselves before they harm others..

Damn straight. I'll hold their jacket even

scumdog

23rd May 2010, 10:42

They all made the decision to get into the car, and they were old enough to take responsibility for themselves..

Whew, that makes it WAAY better thank goodness, that explains why there was no comment on this site about that particular crash...

Coldrider

23rd May 2010, 11:47

Whew, that makes it WAAY better thank goodness, that explains why there was no comment on this site about that particular crash...Nor the ten year old child that was killed in a two car coliision on the Hibiscus Coast.

Flip

23rd May 2010, 14:10

The young man who allegedly caused the accident is not going to get any sympathy here in Christchurch. We have a real problem here with illegal street racing and the citizens here have really had enough, look for example at the questionable laws that are being introduced to limit cruising. This is about a reasonable as I am going to get on the subject of boy racers.

It's a pity but we haven't had a good witch burning here in Christchurch for a while and this young man has been found guilty by association. If he was "racing" well he can just suffer the consequences, he will have 3 meals a day and all the sex he can handle for a while.

cruza

23rd May 2010, 14:56

This driver has got the "learn " in the worst possible way. But it will only be him. Problem is what about the others, as flip says , if you don't live in chch you may not understand the anti coming from us.
There still isn't a no bullshit approach taken, every day last week without exception I saw some clown drifting thru a intersection. I've had a skyline drifting round the inside of me on a two lane roundabout not too long ago , guess hitting a fuel tanker wasn't a major hassle for him.......... .
Filed a traffic report about one kid in his car going thru a school zone , overtaking a slowing car, well ova 60km, he got a warning....... christ he could have killed a kid, a parent .....my son?

Jantar

23rd May 2010, 15:06

Two dead and one seriously injured at Whangarei overnight, no KB ranting about that - and I'd put money on it that some form of idiocy by the driver - not an 'accident' that caused this on too.

I see huff3rs point to a certain extent - it seems to me that according to KB posters it's OK for people to be killed on NZ roads unless (a) they are kids and (b) they are killed by a young punk in a fast looking car.

Have I summed up the KB way??

The Whangarei accident only involved the one vehicle, and no innocent pedrestrians. Effectively, if it was "that some form of idiocy by the driver" then it was more like suicide. I do still feel some sympathy for the passengers as even though they chose to be there, they weren't in control of the vehicle.

mmmm, on reflection, neither was the driver.

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 16:13

If you can't crontrol yourself in a road car perhaps you need to take the bus FFS
Where is it that YOU practice walking on water? Heard the phrase Let he who has comitted NO sin cast the first stone?
This is Hypocracy at its very best

schrodingers cat

23rd May 2010, 16:56

Where is it that YOU practice walking on water? Heard the phrase Let he who has comitted NO sin cast the first stone?
This is Hypocracy at its very best
Golly a biblical response! Guess I hit that nail right on the head.

PrincessBandit

23rd May 2010, 17:13

Golly a biblical response! Guess I hit that nail right on the head.

Gosh, and golly darned! people don't read what I write then. (She said tongue in cheek). I think I might have written the same words on page 7.
Must be that when a woman writes stuff it's like when she opens her mouth - people (read "blokes") close their ears to shut out the drone :msn-wink:

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 17:13

Golly a biblical response! Guess I hit that nail right on the head.
Put another way --You have NEVER made a mistake riding or driving?

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 17:15

Gosh, and golly darned! people don't read what I write then. (She said tongue in cheek). I think I might have written the same words on page 7.
Must be that when a woman writes stuff it's like when she opens her mouth - people (read "blokes") close their ears to shut out the drone :msn-wink:

UM SORRY-- current page is page 6 so hard to read what hasn't yet happened
AHHH-post 98. sorry PB I wasn't deliberately plagerising -diddn't read ya post

Headbanger

23rd May 2010, 18:31

Put another way --You have NEVER made a mistake riding or driving?

Its not about making a mistake, its about actions resulting in dead kids.

He who is without sin cast the first stone?

No problem, I'd say child killers would be in the minority around here.

Blinkwing

23rd May 2010, 18:54

Saw one exibition of moronic prowess a couple of days ago near Clevedon. Losers in 3 shitcan modded jap cars with 'pineapples' for suspension, doing gay drifting into oncoming traffic to the extent that other cars and me on the bike had to pull to the side of the road so we didnt get hit. Smoke and shit and gangsta rap vomit all over the scene. Twats.

I'm guessing nobody bothered to jot down the plates & call the cops?

reemit

23rd May 2010, 19:11

I'm guessing nobody bothered to jot down the plates & call the cops?
Yep you guessed right bud. Main priority getting out of the way.
I've pulled over at a a parked patrol car once to let him know of a nuts burnout going on a couple of blocks down and he looked at me like 'so what'. So I carried on.

kerryhare

23rd May 2010, 19:48

They all made the decision to get into the car, and they were old enough to take responsibility for themselves.

The child who was mowed down did not have any say in his fate or the events leading up to it, and should have been safe walking up the footpath with his mum.

I agree totally.

Every time we walk down Linwood Ave, dosn't matter what time day or night there are constantly idots coming screeching around the corners, some not stopping. leaving skid marks as they take off, thumping drain pipes on there cars. As extrermely sad as this tradedy is I am suprised it has not happened before now. I have no sympathy for the driver, (yes that does sound harsh, but that is how i feel) this could have been avoided by driving to the road conditions and just been more respectful of the road. When i rode past this morning on my way home form work and later in the evening after on friday night all i could think about was the little boy out for a walk with his brother and mum. My heart goes out to this family.

FROSTY

23rd May 2010, 19:53

I agree totally.

Every time we walk down Linwood Ave, dosn't matter what time day or night there are constantly idots coming screeching around the corners, some not stopping. leaving skid marks as they take off, thumping drain pipes on there cars. As extrermely sad as this tradedy is I am suprised it has not happened before now. I have no sympathy for the driver, (yes that does sound harsh, but that is how i feel) this could have been avoided by driving to the road conditions and just been more respectful of the road. When i rode past this morning on my way home form work and later in the evening after on friday night all i could think about was the little boy out for a walk with his brother and mum. My heart goes out to this family.
Have you any statistics as to how many accidents HAVE happened there? Is it an accident black spot?

scumdog

23rd May 2010, 20:05

Its not about making a mistake, its about actions resulting in dead kids.

He who is without sin cast the first stone?

No problem, I'd say child killers would be in the minority around here.

So you KNOW 100% that you are never ever going to kill a child?

Good odds you won't I admit but I also bet that the guy who crashed and killed the kid never thought he would do just that....

but only God knows for sure what's around the corner...

rebel

23rd May 2010, 20:19

You can guarantee that when the clouds open up, every fuckwit in his rwd Nissan or Toyota turns into a pro drifter.

roadracingoldfart

23rd May 2010, 21:18

Where is it that YOU practice walking on water? Heard the phrase Let he who has comitted NO sin cast the first stone?
This is Hypocracy at its very best

I agree

Golly a biblical response! Guess I hit that nail right on the head.

Well im not even slightly religious so i can call you the fuckwit sounding twat you come across as (in my opinion of course) .

This entire thread is just further proof of the total lynch mob mentality prevalant in the (so labelled ) K.B. society.

You negative bastards must be bloody awesome at accident investigating as the real cops from the crash wing say they wont have an answer for a couple of weeks possibly. And wont lay any charges till a full investigation is carried out . Because ??? Anything could have happened to cause the incident.

Why dont we save lots of taxpayers money and just ask dickheads like you if we should hang anyone that has a crash or incident that dissagrees with your higher level thinking.

I am in awe of your stupidity .

Paul.

Headbanger

23rd May 2010, 21:27

Why dont we save lots of taxpayers money and just ask dickheads like you if we should hang anyone that has a crash or incident that dissagrees with your higher level thinking.
Paul.

Champion Idea.

I hope they get hold of me as well, Fuckers have my number.

Fatjim

23rd May 2010, 21:39

We're all to blame for boy racers, in some small part, because we put up with them. If you want rid of them, don't think the gummint, the coucil, or the cops will get it done.

Community standards are enforced by communities.

JMemonic

23rd May 2010, 23:06

Have you any statistics as to how many accidents HAVE happened there? Is it an accident black spot?

Oh Frosty that is not the point Kerry was making nor I in my earlier post in this thread, I can hear them drifting out there right now and the rain has just started. Just another normal night here.

It is surprising there has not been an event such as this in the area sooner and lets hope there wont be another in the future, but hope wont change the possibility any time soon.

You seem to have stepped up to the defence of this youth and in some ways I can understand your position that its not the car that's at fault however this model and its counterparts are prevalent amongst the local boy racers who can for some inexplicable reason by them on what seems to be $1 deposit, the same with a set of mags and hot up from a national dealer, this should not be allowed but what is going to change that.

Have a look at the link I posted for google maps, look at the density of houses, there is no reason that any vehicle approaching that intersection at a sensible speed should loose control no matter the conditions, as I said earlier that stretch of road is treated as a race track.

Swoop

24th May 2010, 09:09

Unfortunately this "accident" is testimony to the piss-poor driving education in this country. Skid pan training? Extensive practical training? Scratch and win your licence...:yes:

You don't see gun owners firing their weapons in the street because no one built them a gun range.
Unfortunately in this Banana republic, unless you are a thugbyist, you will have to beg and borrow to establish sporting/recreational facilities. The council's will bleed tax and ratepayers dry to set up thugby facilities though.

FROSTY

24th May 2010, 10:11

Oh Frosty that is not the point Kerry was making nor I in my earlier post in this thread, I can hear them drifting out there right now and the rain has just started. Just another normal night here.

It is surprising there has not been an event such as this in the area sooner and lets hope there wont be another in the future, but hope wont change the possibility any time soon.

You seem to have stepped up to the defence of this youth and in some ways I can understand your position that its not the car that's at fault however this model and its counterparts are prevalent amongst the local boy racers who can for some inexplicable reason by them on what seems to be $1 deposit, the same with a set of mags and hot up from a national dealer, this should not be allowed but what is going to change that.

Have a look at the link I posted for google maps, look at the density of houses, there is no reason that any vehicle approaching that intersection at a sensible speed should loose control no matter the conditions, as I said earlier that stretch of road is treated as a race track.
DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR FACT??
Just to reiterate what Im saying here. If the kid was DELIBERATELY driving like a fuckwit -Ie deliberately hanging the ass out or drifting or skidding -whatever then I have little sympathy for him. BUT if it was a momentary loss of concentration that snowballed due to the nature of the car the slippery conditions and inexperience then It was a tragic accident. The point re previous accidents there is that if its a known accident black spot and for example that fence is new from being mowed down 10 times then there is a different picture emerging.

Jantar

24th May 2010, 10:34

DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR FACT??
Just to reiterate what Im saying here. If the kid was DELIBERATELY driving like a fuckwit -Ie deliberately hanging the ass out or drifting or skidding -whatever then I have little sympathy for him. BUT if it was a momentary loss of concentration that snowballed due to the nature of the car the slippery conditions and inexperience then It was a tragic accident. The point re previous accidents there is that if its a known accident black spot and for example that fence is new from being mowed down 10 times then there is a different picture emerging.
I can't comment on the kid's driving as I know no more than what has been reported on the media. However I do know that piece of road (my sister lives in McGregor Rd, just a couple of blocks from where this occured). It is a very good, almost straight, flat road, and not an accident black spot.

It is far enough from the traffic lights that even in the wet the vehicle could crawl up to the legal speed limit and be be steady at 60 kmh for at least a block prior to where this occurred. If he had accelerated hard enough to lose traction (must be shit tyres) then he would have been at the speed limit a lot earlier. On the bike I have usually reached the speed limit as I pass the turn off for the Linwood Mall.

duckonin

24th May 2010, 10:38

cruza

24th May 2010, 10:42

You can guarantee that when the clouds open up, every fuckwit in his rwd Nissan or Toyota turns into a pro drifter.

yep, .......then they blame it on the wet and god help it oily road if they fark up.

it wasn't my fault officer, ring my mum , she'll tell you I'm not a boyracer...I'm a a a car buff

JMemonic

24th May 2010, 11:31

DO YOU KNOW THAT FOR FACT??
Just to reiterate what Im saying here. If the kid was DELIBERATELY driving like a fuckwit -Ie deliberately hanging the ass out or drifting or skidding -whatever then I have little sympathy for him. BUT if it was a momentary loss of concentration that snowballed due to the nature of the car the slippery conditions and inexperience then It was a tragic accident. The point re previous accidents there is that if its a known accident black spot and for example that fence is new from being mowed down 10 times then there is a different picture emerging.

What are you asking if I or for that matter Kerry know to be a fact? That the area is used as a burnout pad a a drift circuit? That fact I am sure others will attest to as to the fact the road is used as a drag strip. If you are asking is this type of car and its like popular among the boy racer fraternity then your own information should cover that.

To the surprise that there has not been a collision of this nature sooner? Well that was our opinion that we are entitle to, more so than those who have never even been down this road, and let me reiterate we live in the area, approximately 800 meters away and we walk down that section of the foot path often, we have seen the stupidity of some of the drivers.

There have been plenty of Christchurch folk on here to say similar about the area.

DangerMice

24th May 2010, 13:16

RIP little guy, I hope for his sake it was instant.

roadracingoldfart

24th May 2010, 15:30

What are you asking if I or for that matter Kerry know to be a fact? That the area is used as a burnout pad a a drift circuit? That fact I am sure others will attest to as to the fact the road is used as a drag strip. If you are asking is this type of car and its like popular among the boy racer fraternity then your own information should cover that.

To the surprise that there has not been a collision of this nature sooner? Well that was our opinion that we are entitle to, more so than those who have never even been down this road, and let me reiterate we live in the area, approximately 800 meters away and we walk down that section of the foot path often, we have seen the stupidity of some of the drivers.

There have been plenty of Christchurch folk on here to say similar about the area.

Very valid points , BUT , it still does not mean the driver involved was driving like you describe , let the police make that call.
Some cars driving like idiots does not mean its a race track for every car that uses that road.
We have roads here as does everywhere in the country that are black spots for accidents and seem to attract stoopid drivers. Again , it doesnt mean it is the only was that you can or shoud drive that particular road.

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 08:08

My first insitinct is that if I was the dad of that kid, I would set up sniper post at that corner and put holes in the doors of any boy racers "sustainably losing traction" on that corner from now on, and I would join the police reserves and go HUNTING boy racers...

As an older biker I advocate leaving speed and stunts for tracks. On the roads, there are just too many unpredictables- from dogs to cows to other drivers, to kids.... any stunts on the road (including speeding) are just dumb.

BUT: Having said that, I was also young, dumb and full of come before. And I understand how difficult it is to make younger people see that they are endangering something precious (including themselves - they also have loving parents that worry about them). Lets face it- until you are a parent, you have no idea what precious means.

These guys need a concrete strip that they can go to to do their own stuff, any time of the day or night, and for free. If anyone gets hurt there (in a more controlled environment) it is their own risk. It just makes sense to get these guys off the road.

Indiana_Jones

25th May 2010, 08:25

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 08:53

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 09:41

Very valid points , BUT , it still does not mean the driver involved was driving like you describe , let the police make that call.
Some cars driving like idiots does not mean its a race track for every car that uses that road.

The indication that he was driving like a twat is that he lost control, slid across the road, and killed a child, This doesn't happen by itself, The car didn't do it, The road didn't do anything, It was the person driving the car who is responsible for taking a child's life.

Its a damn shame that in this country you can get away with killing people as long as you use your car to do it, He should be charged with manslaughter.

Flip

25th May 2010, 09:44

These guys need a concrete strip that they can go to to do their own stuff, any time of the day or night, and for free. If anyone gets hurt there (in a more controlled environment) it is their own risk. It just makes sense to get these guys off the road.

Firstly, Ruapuna race track is open 3 days a week to the public. These morons won't use it because their "custom modified" cut spring race cars don't handle very well at all and the ultra low profile tyres are actually just a fashion statement, a bit like wearing high heals in a running race.

Nobody in Christchurch, who have been on the receiving end of these delinquents bad behaviour is ever going to allow the CCC to build them a venue to race or burn rubber. The situation here is so bad that the Citizens are just sick and tired of the noise, damage, risk and rubbish that they will never support this suggestion.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 09:57

roadracingoldfart

25th May 2010, 10:13

The indication that he was driving like a twat is that he lost control, slid across the road, and killed a child, This doesn't happen by itself, The car didn't do it, The road didn't do anything, It was the person driving the car who is responsible for taking a child's life.

Its a damn shame that in this country you can get away with killing people as long as you use your car to do it, He should be charged with manslaughter.

And the indication that may be the case is he made an error in his steering , he tried to correct it and then with the limited driving skills taught to drivers when they are young meant he didnt have a clue what to do and actually made it worse. Its been done before and will be again. I have sneezed wile driving and completely changed lanes , if it was a wet road i may well have crashed its that simple.
Yes some do get away with murder (so to speak) but the real reason is there is either not enough evidence or the situation can be fluked maybe to a lesser charge meaning its a driving offence pure and simple.

No his car didnt do it , no the road didnt do it , no it doesnt happen by itself , but - get a collective of all those situations at the same time being against the driver , mix in a bit of inexperiance and there's your outcome, an accident . Not deliberate , not intended to cause harm , not being a twat , just a chain of unfortunate events collecting into a very tragic outcome. Thats why they are called accidents isnt it ?
I just dont like to see a person hung for something until the full facts are delved into and a verdict has been passed , you and others dont have to like the verdict you just have to accept its not always as you see it , clear cut.

Paul.

roadracingoldfart

25th May 2010, 10:14

Wow, I didn't know so many KB members witnessed this accident first hand. And to think the poor confused mother of the little child killed has got it sooo wrong saying he wasn't a boy racer. I mean, come on lady, he is young and drives a Nissan Silvia, gotta be a boy racer don't he.

Not stirring but can someone point me to the evidence that the driver was 'drifting' his car? Or that he is a boy racer? If there is hard evidence that he was/is then let him face the consequences of his actions. If however it was simply driver error and/or inexperience or even mechanical failure/road conditions then he has my absolute sympathy.

OMG a sensible KBer !!!!! Bling to that man

sondela

25th May 2010, 10:21

Not stirring but can someone point me to the evidence that the driver was 'drifting' his car? Or that he is a boy racer? If there is hard evidence that he was/is then let him face the consequences of his actions. If however it was simply driver error and/or inexperience or even mechanical failure/road conditions then he has my absolute sympathy.

The mother of the child said publicly that she didn't blame him because he was just a boy on the way home from work who lost control in the rain, ( as many people do) and that he was not drinking, and tried his best to help..

It was a tragic accident! You'd think that bikers, on the receiving end of so much disinformation and bad press would be the last to turn into a lynch mob with no actual evidence :(

I think the assumptions and narrow minded reactions of the public in general are shocking..

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 10:22

Firstly, Ruapuna race track is open 3 days a week to the public. These morons won't use it because their "custom modified" cut spring race cars don't handle very well at all and the ultra low profile tyres are actually just a fashion statement, a bit like wearing high heals in a running race.

Nobody in Christchurch, who have been on the receiving end of these delinquents bad behaviour is ever going to allow the CCC to build them a venue to race or burn rubber. The situation here is so bad that the Citizens are just sick and tired of the noise, damage, risk and rubbish that they will never support this suggestion.

Your comments make no logical sense. And I am sure that the race track is expensive. We would all love to be on teh track 24/7 but teh fact is that we cannot afford it. But lets face it, a strip of abandoned council ground, a burger drive in joint (part owned by council to pay for maintenance and upkeep), and a concrete pad with minimal maintenance is not really a big investment is it? It keeps morons off the street, and reduces the amount of cop time wasted on call outs by irate older citizens. and it will save lives. And it justifies the cops THROWING THE BOOK at anyone doing it on public roads.

I dont see anything not to support?

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 10:26

My comments are based on the presumption that he is a boy racer, and that he was doing stupid boy racer stuff on public roads. If he wasn't, I feel fro him too- a massive thing to have on your conscience.

How did he lose control in the rain? Accidents do sometimes just happen.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 10:47

I have sneezed wile driving and completely changed lanes , if it was a wet road i may well have crashed its that simple.
Paul.

If it resulted in you killing a child I'd want you charged with manslaughter as well.

Why do people think its just fine to kill people with cars?

What if I was using a chainsaw, sneezed , cut somebodies head off? would that be cool?

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:07

If it resulted in you killing a child I'd want you charged with manslaughter as well.

Why do people think its just fine to kill people with cars?

What if I was using a chainsaw, sneezed , cut somebodies head off? would that be cool?

For fucks sake, no one is saying it's fine to kill with a car. All some are saying here is that 'NO ONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM HAS ALL THE FACTS/EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THEM', so until we do it is only the ignorant who paint the driver as a 'boy racer' who killed an innocent child. He might have been smoking a p pipie while getting a blowie from a crack whore and texting the location of his next attack on society for all we know, or he could have had another vehicle swerve into his lane while he was changing radio station, or he might have been considering his choice of scripture to read out at church on Sunday, or anyfuckingthing. But don't let that stop you, surely someone here can find out his plate number, find his home address and organise a mob to go and kidnap him, drag him behind a pickup and then hang him from a tree. Who needs facts when you can be told what you want to hear from the media.

And regardless of the reason, I'm sure he'll face charges. As he should. But by the police and the courts. Not a bunch of experts on a forum.

kerryhare

25th May 2010, 11:18

These guys need a concrete strip that they can go to to do their own stuff, any time of the day or night, and for free. If anyone gets hurt there (in a more controlled environment) it is their own risk. It just makes sense to get these guys off the road.

Like Flip said they can use Ruapuna, Why should our rates go towards providing a strip for them to race on. If they want to race then they should go join a club and do it in a proper controlled enviroment.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 11:19

For fucks sake, no one is saying it's fine to kill with a car. All some are saying here is that 'NO ONE ON THIS FUCKING FORUM HAS ALL THE FACTS/EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF THEM', so until we do it is only the ignorant who paint the driver as a 'boy racer' who killed an innocent child.

Works for me.

Though whether or not he fits the loose definition of boy racer (and he does) is the most irrelevant issue, The fact is his actions resulted in a death of a child and the consequences should reflect that.

And this is just further evidence of the NZ mentality that killing people with cars just aint that serious.

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/local/news/grieving-family-disappointed-at-drivers-sentence/3913270/

A Hastings family has been left heartbroken and angry after a 19-year-old woman driving on a learner's licence crashed into a car, killing two relatives.

Two people, a 49-year-old man and 31-year-old woman, died at the scene of the crash, while another man was hospitalised with multiple injuries.

Peni-Terekia pleaded guilty to two counts of careless driving causing death and one of careless driving causing injury.

She was sentenced to 200 hours' community work and was disqualified from driving for one year.

The maximum penalty for careless driving causing injury and death is a $4500 fine or three months' imprisonment.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:29

The thing is, they don't want to race, get it? They want to show off, talk shit, talk cars, chase woman, drink piss, smoke some herb, do donuts, drag each other, drift a bit, pour some diesel down, blast their music, urinate where there isn't toilets, do a burn out or two. Now Ruapuna is cheap to use, but it ain't that cheap. In fact no race track that I could think of wants that on their premises.

So what do we do? Either we completely re-educate every teenager about responsibility, consideration, etc etc...nah that won't work, they're teenagers. Ok, so we can scratch changing mankind. Next on the list is legislate them out of existance. Who? Boyracers? Or teenagers? Because (now some of you might need to stretch your memories a bit, or stop kidding yourself about how perfect you were as a teenager) teenagers will always be pushing the limits, bucking the system, breaking the rules. It's how we mature, we find out what we can do and what we can't do. Some of us learn and mature, some of us die in the process, and some never grow up. So, seems extra legislation won't work.

Maybe better enforcement of the current laws. Well that's a better step, but it's only a band-aid on a spurting artery. Might stem the bloodflow for a minute or two but it won't stop the bleeding.

Build the a purpose built pad and area to hang out? Sounds good, but they will still drive their cars through town on the way there, and on the way back as well. So it might lower the damages caused, but it won't eliminate it completely.

I'm fucked for ideas now? Anyone got a one-stop-fix that I haven't thought of?

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:34

And this is just further evidence of the NZ mentality that killing people with cars just aint that serious.

That's the laws put in place by the government, which is most definitely not the representation of the NZ mentality. Remember the referendum a while back about harsher penalties for serious offenders? Over 90% of the respondents wanted harsher penalties. I'm sure if you asked the average kiwi how they feel about someone being killed by a careless/dangerous driver they would want serious consequences for the driver. When you are in control of a car, you are taking on a massive responsibility. Unfortunately our driver training (lol) and our laws do not see this the same way I do.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 11:39

I'm fucked for ideas now? Anyone got a one-stop-fix that I haven't thought of?

As soon as they rack up fines over $1000 send em to jail for a month, and while they are in there they can do $1000 worth of work. And when they get out they can pay teh $1000 worth of fines.

Repeat until they learn.

And serious repercussions for killing with a car, Something along the lines of a bullet to the head would suffice,and a bullet for their lawyer if they try and blame the road or the car.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:47

As soon as they rack up fines over $1000 send em to jail for a month, and while they are in there they can do $1000 worth of work. And when they get out they can pay teh $1000 worth of fines.

Repeat until they learn.

And serious repercussions for killing with a car, Something along the lines of a bullet to the head would suffice,and a bullet for their lawyer if they try and blame the road or the car.

Sounds good. But putting them into a normal jail could also have the opposite effect, making them more anti-social and angry towards the police and general public, and also teach them skills that we most definitely don't want them working.

Come on all you people crying for boy racer's blood, surely you have a magical one-stop-fix that no one else has thought of and is faultless.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 11:51

Sounds good. But putting them into a normal jail could also have the opposite effect, making them more anti-social and angry towards the police and general public, and also teach them skills that we most definitely don't want them working.

Tough shit on them, Put em back in jail.

Repeat as necessary.

If they don't learn then they get to make a life long commitment to being in jail.

dipshit

25th May 2010, 11:52

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:54

Tough shit on them, Put em back in jail.

Repeat as necessary.

If they don't learn then they get to make a life long commitment to being in jail.

Ok, but who is going to pay for that? And where do we build these extra jails? And what becomes of our future in NZ? As I'm sure a lot of these 'boy racers' will grow out of their ways and become successful members of society, we will lose a lot of our talent as they will be rotting in jail all because we couldn't handle them being young.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 11:56

So they put this ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=6rMujP38l_k ) shit on TV every Sunday and call it "sport" then act surprised when the kiddies try to drive the same way on the streets...???

Sometimes society isn't that bright.

I take it that's a drifting video (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm currently on dial up). What about drag racing? Should we ban that too? How about rally racing? Or any sort of racing? Bike racing?

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 11:58

Ok, but who is going to pay for that? And where do we build these extra jails? And what becomes of our future in NZ? As I'm sure a lot of these 'boy racers' will grow out of their ways and become successful members of society, we will lose a lot of our talent as they will be rotting in jail all because we couldn't handle them being young.

Most of em will change their ways when instead of getting their fines wiped they are faced with real world repercussions, The few that decide to be career criminals can be accommodated for, and are probably heading down that path anyway.

Most of them do what they because its a bit of a lark,Nothing wrong with that, But when it gets out of hand it needs to be reigned in.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 12:11

Most of them do what they because its a bit of a lark,Nothing wrong with that, But when it gets out of hand it needs to be reigned in.

I agree completely, but how can it be done effectively. It's all good and proper to jump and down pointing fingers (this is not aimed at you Headbanger, none of it has been) but it's all wasted air if no one can actually take stock of the situation and suss out an effective method of controlling it. Until someone does, all the angst and name calling won't change a thing.

PirateJafa

25th May 2010, 12:11

No parent in there right mind would choose a nissan s15............. 20 aye...... says it all , come back in 15-20years

For gods sake you old faggot. He made a number of valid points in there, but all you saw was the words "I'm only 20" and instantly decided that his opinion was worth squat.

My girlfriend has a Mazda MX6. She's not a boyracer - she just wanted a car that had enough power to overtake other vehicles without putting a piston through the head, and could happily navigate the back-country roads to her place.

I myself had a Honda Accord, which you regularly see driving around with a pair of 3-inch exhausts sticking out the rear and plenty of "doof-doof" sounds emanating. I bought it because it was powerful enough to tow my track bike to the track with ease.

By the sound of it, in your eyes every person under 30 who has worked up the money to buy a tidy car that isn't a Corolla is pretty much a boyracer.

Luckily, nobody under 30 in their right mind would give a shit about the opinion of a faggot like you (besides maybe wasting a few hundred bytes of bandwidth on yer).

I'll wait for the official police report before I have any damning thoughts one way or the other.

dipshit

25th May 2010, 12:17

I take it that's a drifting video (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm currently on dial up). What about drag racing? Should we ban that too? How about rally racing? Or any sort of racing? Bike racing?

Yes it's a clip from a NZ drifting programme on TV.

Rallying makes a good example. They have been doing it for years but seem to be able to keep a handle on it by self policing itself with strict rules. Like anybody getting caught doing unofficial practice runs on a stretch of road or having competition numbers on a car when not competing gets banned.

Drifting to the car world is about as stupid as stunting is to the motorcycle world. Imagine the image of motorcycle in NZ if stunting became even more popular and had its own TV programme inspiring all the young wankers that are hitting the streets.

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 12:22

Like Flip said they can use Ruapuna, Why should our rates go towards providing a strip for them to race on. If they want to race then they should go join a club and do it in a proper controlled enviroment.

Like I said, Ruapuna is expensive. And FFS a cement strip hardly costs a bomb. And it pays itself back in reduced cop time wastage.

And I dont know about you, but when I finally went on track and could do things at stupid speeds safely, it actually got the monkey off my back and I felt no need to go fast at all on the road after that. No more 'points to prove' as it were.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 12:22

Rallying makes a good example. They have been doing it for years but seem to be able to keep a handle on it by self policing itself with strict rules. Like anybody getting caught doing unofficial practice runs on a stretch of road or having competition numbers on a car when not competing gets banned.

More likely its simply due to the fact we dont have gravel roads in our cities.

There is no one to show off to out in rural NZ, and it takes real skill to drive fast on a gravel road. They would be getting dead as soon as they started and there wouldn't be anyone around to get impressed while they done it.

FJRider

25th May 2010, 12:29

More likely its simply due to the fact we dont have gravel roads in our cities.

There is no one to show off to out in rural NZ, and it takes real skill to drive fast on a gravel road. They would be getting dead as soon as they started and there wouldn't be anyone around to get impressed while they done it.

AND ... tends to scare the shit (literally) out of any passengers ... even if it is done well ... or not ...

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 12:40

I'm guessing you don't have kids? Had the child lost in this 'unfortunate accident' been mine .... Christ, it doesn't bear thinking about.

'... affected parties'? This mother's life just totally fucking imploded. Her whole life will be divided into two; the life before this and the life after. You have no idea. No disrespect to you but it's this kind of ambivalence that results in the kind of reckless disregard for people (real people with lives and families who care about them and who want to see them again) that we see on our roads every day.

Brilliantly said. I am afraid that people without kids will just never understand that kind of love. Lets face - it before kids, everyone lives a very selfish life. And to them incidents like this cause 'collateral damage' which is acceptable as long as its not to them. Its only when you have kids, and your whole life revolves around pure unconditionl love for them, and bringing them up the best you can, and protecting them, that you really realise what "precious" means, and you truly feel for the parents of a child killed like this.

As an idea of the pain and suffering to a "selfish single"- it is like losing an arm and a leg and your sight all at once, and it will hurt more. Your life will be divided between before and after. You WILL NEVER recover.

imdying

25th May 2010, 12:44

Like I said, Ruapuna is expensive.No no, it's quite cheap! Recommended if you're down this way!

dipshit

25th May 2010, 12:47

There is no one to show off to out in rural NZ, and it takes real skill to drive fast on a gravel road. They would be getting dead as soon as they started and there wouldn't be anyone around to get impressed while they done it.

Quite true. Most young rednecks give it a bit of a go and just end up sticking their cars down a few banks and through a few fences... then give up ( grow up ) and decide to leave it to the professionals.

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 12:51

Yes it's a clip from a NZ drifting programme on TV.

Rallying makes a good example. They have been doing it for years but seem to be able to keep a handle on it by self policing itself with strict rules. Like anybody getting caught doing unofficial practice runs on a stretch of road or having competition numbers on a car when not competing gets banned.

Drifting to the car world is about as stupid as stunting is to the motorcycle world. Imagine the image of motorcycle in NZ if stunting became even more popular and had its own TV programme inspiring all the young wankers that are hitting the streets.

Plenty of drivers in WRX's and Evo's who think they're rally drivers, sliding their 4wd's around tight corners in town, and more than once I've seen sideways action on shingle roads in these (and many other cars as well). Or ar these drivers 'drifters' instead? Regardless, while it's less prolific than boyracers it could still be called an issue. I do agree with the distinction you make in regards to the different behaviours from the different disciplines, but as you say rallying has been around a long time, and I dare say it started off as a group of young guys on shingle roads (which were in higher numbers than they are today, therefore closer to built-up areas) racing their shitboxes. Not the well organised and accepted sport it is today. Who knows, maybe in 10yrs time drifting will be well on it's way to a similar level.

And I'm sure there were people back in the day bemoaning the youth and their antics 'rallying' around their homes. Just they didn't have the internet to log on to!

Like I said, Ruapuna is expensive. And FFS a cement strip hardly costs a bomb. And it pays itself back in reduced cop time wastage.

And I dont know about you, but when I finally went on track and could do things at stupid speeds safely, it actually got the monkey off my back and I felt no need to go fast at all on the road after that. No more 'points to prove' as it were.

Ruapuna isn't that expensive to be honest, but the Canterbury Car Club wouldn't tolerate their behaviour on the track, and as well they shouldn't. I agree with you about a shift in attitude after going to the track, but I don't think you or I ride to 'show off', as these guys like to do.

Indiana_Jones

25th May 2010, 12:59

We wouldn't have this boy racer problem if they all owned Leyland cars.

They'd be working on this 95% of the time lol

-Indy

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 13:15

We wouldn't have this boy racer problem if they all owned Leyland cars.

They'd be working on this 95% of the time lol

-Indy

Yeah but the 5% of the time they'd be on the road would be utter carnage lol.

SMOKEU

25th May 2010, 13:28

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 13:34

Yep, know plenty of 'normal everday citizens' in this age group who pushed the limits back in their day. Regular races up Moorhouse Ave in worse pieces of shit than todays kids drive, combined with a belly full of piss. Their 'defence' generally is 'we didn't know better'. Sure, no one had commonsense back then.

FJRider

25th May 2010, 13:45

Yep, know plenty of 'normal everday citizens' in this age group who pushed the limits back in their day.

and the rest gave the "limits" a dam good shunt up the arse ... and "sustained loss of traction" only occured when the brakes WORKED ...

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 14:13

Ruapuna isn't that expensive to be honest, but the Canterbury Car Club wouldn't tolerate their behaviour on the track, and as well they shouldn't. I agree with you about a shift in attitude after going to the track, but I don't think you or I ride to 'show off', as these guys like to do.
Yes the Car club don't like them on their track, and the cops dont like them on their road, so where then? This is why they need a dedicated facility where they can blow off steam and show off in safer surroundings that are acoustically removed from sleepy suburban neighbourhoods.

These guys have oodles of testosterone and hormones flowing every which way. If there is a car challenge, having a dedicated facility thats always available, and free, will give them a means of deflecting any potentially dangerous situations tio safer environments if they have to go and prove points against eeach other. I am pretty sure nobody WANTS to put themselves, their cash, their cars, their licenses and other peoples lives at risk.

It's just that, in true youngster fashion, its about the principle of facing the challenge and meeting the adrelnaline rush face to face that overcomes the common sense in the heat of the moment. I think we all get this, we have all been there and done that, one way or another.

By deflecting the competition to a safer place, it may even reduce that actual number of races, because the time delay gives them a chance to cool off.

R-Soul

25th May 2010, 14:17

I've spoken to several people who are in the 50s and 60s, and they said when they were in their teens they would chop the exhaust off right after the headers on their cars, and drive around drunk and do burnouts. Apparently back then it was considered normal teenage behaviour, and the cops would just tell them to piss off and go home, these days that kind of behaviour is considered just as bad as beating someone up and robbing them.

I would say that commonsense has finally kicked in- especialy where drink is involved. After all - lets face it- its just dumb having someone pissed behind the wheel of a 1 and a half ton, 400bhp killing machine.

Fact is we cant change it they will do it- but we can give them a place to do this kind of shit where there arent trees and toddlers on the sidewalk.

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 14:18

I've spoken to several people who are in the 50s and 60s, and they said when they were in their teens they would chop the exhaust off right after the headers on their cars, and drive around drunk and do burnouts. Apparently back then it was considered normal teenage behaviour, and the cops would just tell them to piss off and go home, these days that kind of behaviour is considered just as bad as beating someone up and robbing them.

Yeah,and their cars weighed 4.3 tonne, went 72 mph, and needed 12 miles to get up to speed.

Plus,Dear old dad would give them a thick ear when the neighbours complained.

Hell, even 20 years ago a fast car was out of reach for just about everybody, When I was 16 I simply could not get credit, Instead I saved up and bought a yellow Cortina station wagon ffs, The only way to crash that baby was to get so bored you fell asleep. As it was I was ordered by the police to sell it or they were going to pull me up and issue tickets every time they saw me on the road.

And as for my oldboy tearing up the streets in his Humber 80.....

roadracingoldfart

25th May 2010, 15:49

If it resulted in you killing a child I'd want you charged with manslaughter as well.

Why do people think its just fine to kill people with cars?

What if I was using a chainsaw, sneezed , cut somebodies head off? would that be cool?

With logic like that im bumbfounded to think of a reply , yes you are correct and im just stoopid , i will try to emmulate you from now on.

Fuck i just thought of something ....... what if this murdering boy race actually had a chainsaw in his boot , wow you are a genius Mr Holmes.

JimO

25th May 2010, 16:35

scumdog

25th May 2010, 16:39

Headbanger

25th May 2010, 17:24

Yep, the good o'l KB way of doing things things, raging assumptions and rampant guesswork..

psssst.....................Its the cops with the credibility problem.

Discussion of current events on a discussion board pales in comparison.

Flip

25th May 2010, 18:10

Kickaha

25th May 2010, 18:25

And because you have found a few old hoons it makes the boy racer behaviour ok does it?

I can take you for a drive on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night around Christchurch and show you thousands of morons out driving around in circles looking for trouble.

Doesn't sound to much different from what I remember 25-30 years ago, the only difference now is it so much easier to finance a car and the numbers are bigger and with mobile phones it's much easier to organise

cruza

25th May 2010, 18:35

Yep, raging assumptions and rampant guesswork..

Bet a few cases have been solved that way too......:innocent:

SMOKEU

25th May 2010, 18:48

And because you have found a few old hoons it makes the boy racer behaviour ok does it?

I can take you for a drive on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night around Christchurch and show you thousands of morons out driving around in circles looking for trouble.

I know what the aves are like on the weekends. They're nowhere near as good as they used to be 3 years ago.

cruza

25th May 2010, 19:18

I know what the aves are like on the weekends. They're nowhere near as good as they used to be 3 years ago.

:yes::laugh::rofl::killingme

think the aves are where the least of the problems happen.

go back to ya cave

huff3r

25th May 2010, 21:52

Wow got red from 20yo, who is got BMW car as avatar and under his name huff3r say Boy who races.
Hey huff3r stfu !

Yeah Din, Its beyond me why anyone would use an avatar of a ladies car, on a bike forum, then red rep one of our vocal KBers with a comment like that. I think someones completely missing the point and mebee may need to go and find a more appropriate gay drifting forum somewhere.

I'm taking the piss clever boys. That "ladies car" i have there is built to national race specifications, and is ONLY raced on the track, hence the "boy who races" comment. I dont drift, and definitely dont do stupid shit on the streets, yet you are accusing me of being a boyracer. Thats my entire fucking point! You cannot make such accusations blindly, with no other information to base your decisions off.

As for the red rep... the rep he gave me came with the dumbest comment i have evr had the privelage to see. Of course the 4yr old didnt learn anything, but unfortunately shit happens.. And no, I am not writing off the life of a child as nothing, I am writing it off as an unfortunate accident, that maybe couldve been prevented, but its not my place to make that call.

huff3r

25th May 2010, 22:08

Sounds good. But putting them into a normal jail could also have the opposite effect, making them more anti-social and angry towards the police and general public, and also teach them skills that we most definitely don't want them working.

Come on all you people crying for boy racer's blood, surely you have a magical one-stop-fix that no one else has thought of and is faultless.

Put them on ambo work experience with a local hospital, see how fast they learn then ;)

Woodman

25th May 2010, 22:20

huff3r

25th May 2010, 22:29

i think yous are missing the point a bit about the boyracers using a track or a concrete pad. A fair bit of the reason they do what they do on the streets is because it is on the street and that makes it more exciting cos there is more risks associated, and more people to piss off.

Not the ones i know of... they try to find the quietest spots they can up here, maybe the southis just need to mix with the Wellington boys a bit haha, and also... if the ones with the good cars are keen then the rest will follow. And all you'll be left with is the shitheads in their shit cars who still think they are cool cruising the streets. Just got to motivate them the right way.

In fact the big players in Wellington for a while were trying very hard to negotiate a disused carpark for them to meet up at, cos they were sick of being dispersed by cops at melling all the time. Im not certain, but i think they may have even found somewhere (Im not on "the list" haha)

DIN PELENDA

26th May 2010, 19:26

I'm taking the piss clever boys. That "ladies car" As for the red rep... the rep he gave me came with the dumbest comment i have evr had the privelage to see. Of course the 4yr old didnt learn anything, but unfortunately shit happens.. And no, I am not writing off the life of a child as nothing, I am writing it off as an unfortunate accident, that maybe couldve been prevented, but its not my place to make that call.
Dumb post deserve dumb comment , have some green get over it , stop posting shit , change your avatar photo ( please ), get a life and we my even see you at KB gathering BOY !

Argyle

30th May 2010, 20:34

Change the minimum age of full license to 18yrs old.... They can start to Learn when they are 16yrs, always a parent with them until full license is obtained...

Sentox

30th May 2010, 20:52

Change the minimum age of full license to 18yrs old.... They can start to Learn when they are 16yrs, always a parent with them until full license is obtained...

Same for motorcyclists I assume. Learners license at 16, full obtainable at 18. Fair's fair.

peasea

30th May 2010, 20:56

Same for motorcyclists I assume. Learners license at 16, full obtainable at 18. Fair's fair.

Good idea but way too sensible.

Sentox

30th May 2010, 21:07

Good idea but way too sensible.

Sometimes I like to pretend I'm in another country. Why you gotta ruin it for me, man? :laugh:

JMemonic

30th May 2010, 21:12

Change the minimum age of full license to 18yrs old.... They can start to Learn when they are 16yrs, always a parent with them until full license is obtained...

try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Norway

Headbanger

30th May 2010, 23:15

Change the minimum age of full license to 18yrs old.... They can start to Learn when they are 16yrs, always a parent with them until full license is obtained...

Because they care about their license conditions?

Headbanger

22nd June 2010, 12:18

Right, for those that claimed he was no boy-racer.

Christchurch police said this morning they would lay charges of dangerous driving causing death to Nayan Woods, aged 4, who was struck when a vehicle mounted the footpath while he was walking home with his family.
His brother and mother were also injured in the accident, which occured in poor weather on Linwood Avenue last month.
The man is also charged with dangerous driving causing injury to both Jacob, Nayan's brother, aged 6, and Nayan's mother Emma.
He is also charged with operating a modified vehicle that was not certified and operating it on a road when it was liable to cause injury to a person.
Young
male
Modified
uncertified
dangerous driving.

Death.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3839615/Charges-laid-against-driver-in-Nayan-Woods-crash

onearmedbandit

22nd June 2010, 12:38

Yep now the facts are known (everything before was just conjecture) I hope he get's fully nailed by the courts.

avgas

22nd June 2010, 13:11

Young
male
Modified
uncertified
dangerous driving.
So are you saying your the opposite of this?

Marmoot

22nd June 2010, 14:27

Dunno what the big deal is with this news/article.

Dangerous driving charges are the standard procedure when an accident involves deaths/injuries. Or, when the injuries are of lesser extent and/or the circumstances are clearly indicative, it can be reduced to careless driving charges.

And the standard procedure is to fine-toothed comb the vehicle for compliance. Any "defect" (e.g., adjustable-height suspension) without proper certification will be classified as uncertified modification regardless of whether it contributes directly to the accident or not.

If those are facts, it's almost similar to attributing 99% of crashes to speed since in 99% crashes the vehicles are moving (e.g., speed is not 0).

Must be a quiet day in the newsroom, or do NZers nowadays simply bay for blood everyday?

onearmedbandit

22nd June 2010, 14:43

Not every case involving a motor vehicle and death is dangerous driving causing death though. I've read/heard of the lesser charge of 'careless use causing death' before. So it would appear if he's been charged with dangerous then he was acting in a way prior to the accident that was 'dangerous', not careless.

Headbanger

22nd June 2010, 15:35

So are you saying your the opposite of this?

Me?

I'm fuckin balding.

I resent young people, what with all their....youth....and hair.And all that rock music.

Mumble groan mumble

Me fuckin back hurts, and my teeth...did I mention my teeth?

Indoo

22nd June 2010, 15:38

Dangerous driving charges are the standard procedure when an accident involves deaths/injuries.

Eh? If the SCU investigation indicates that the driving causing the crash was dangerous thats what the charge is, if it fits the measure of careless then thats what the charge will be, they don't just charge people with dangerous driving for shits and giggles so that they can use it to plead it down to a guilty on careless later on.

HenryDorsetCase

22nd June 2010, 16:27

Put them on ambo work experience with a local hospital, see how fast they learn then ;)

bugger that! SOme fucktard boyracer attending me at A & E? I want DOCTORS, stat! and comely nurses!

HenryDorsetCase

22nd June 2010, 16:30

Me?

I'm fuckin balding.

I resent young people, what with all their....youth....and hair.And all that rock music.

Mumble groan mumble

Me fuckin back hurts, and my teeth...did I mention my teeth?

did you give all your money to the Church and now you cant afford the dentist?

Headbanger

22nd June 2010, 16:34

did you give all your money to the Church and now you cant afford the dentist?

I figure why look after something I can just replace when its fucked?

Marmoot

22nd June 2010, 18:29

they don't just charge people with dangerous driving for shits and giggles so that they can use it to plead it down to a guilty on careless later on.

Funny that. Apparently they do.

specter

22nd June 2010, 19:19

scumdog

22nd June 2010, 19:54

i really dont see why young people get to drive such powerful cars.... im still required by law to ride a 250 and travel at 70kph, because the government deems me to be too unexperienced to ride any thing bigger and at a faster speed... so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can buy any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?

"so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can STEAL any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?"

Now that's how some of them speed - and crash.

p.dath

22nd June 2010, 20:01

i really dont see why young people get to drive such powerful cars.... im still required by law to ride a 250 and travel at 70kph, because the government deems me to be too unexperienced to ride any thing bigger and at a faster speed... so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can buy any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?

So your complaining that your freedom to choose a car hasn't been taken away yet? Carefull what you wish for.

p.dath

22nd June 2010, 20:01

i really dont see why young people get to drive such powerful cars.... im still required by law to ride a 250 and travel at 70kph, because the government deems me to be too unexperienced to ride any thing bigger and at a faster speed... so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can buy any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?

So your complaining that your freedom to choose a car hasn't been taken away yet? Carefull what you wish for.

caseye

22nd June 2010, 20:11

Crush his car, crush his balls and crush his mother and father, just like he did to the poor bloody young fella he "mowed" Down
When are we all going to say ENOUGH.
Shit for brains.
Too Young.
Too powerful a car.
Too stupid to know to at least go to a deserted subdivision.

Marmoot

22nd June 2010, 20:24

i really dont see why young people get to drive such powerful cars....

Didn't the news say it's his parents' car. Perhaps some families are so poor they can't afford two cars.

specter

22nd June 2010, 20:39

So your complaining that your freedom to choose a car hasn't been taken away yet? Carefull what you wish for.

"so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can STEAL any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?"

Now that's how some of them speed - and crash.

lol forgot i was on kiwibiker!
my thoughts, we need a licensing system to control what power vehicle we can own, and must conduct specialist driving courses in order to gain these licences

specter

22nd June 2010, 20:43

So your complaining that your freedom to choose a car hasn't been taken away yet? Carefull what you wish for.

i choose not to drive a car. cars are for transporting things like groceries and using to sober drive, i do neither so have no use for a car

jeremysprite

22nd June 2010, 21:36

Haven't seen the police report yet (has anyone?) but I did initially think Boyracer! When I read that he drives an s15 Silvia... Say what you want about buying a car to 'safely overtake' and all those valid reasons, they are like the R1s of the car world almost.
Wet road, traffic, young driver, powerful car, I wouldn't castrate the kid. Least not til the report comes out.

Sentox

22nd June 2010, 21:43

crazyhorse

23rd June 2010, 07:20

i really dont see why young people get to drive such powerful cars.... im still required by law to ride a 250 and travel at 70kph, because the government deems me to be too unexperienced to ride any thing bigger and at a faster speed... so how come if i chose to drive a car, i can buy any car i can afford and drive it at 100kph?

I do agree with you . But I can't really see the law changing it much. However, what would be a good idea, is a compulsory need for everyone to ride a scooter or motorbike. then they will be more aware of bikes on the road. :done:

onearmedbandit

23rd June 2010, 08:13

Haven't seen the police report yet (has anyone?) but I did initially think Boyracer! When I read that he drives an s15 Silvia... Say what you want about buying a car to 'safely overtake' and all those valid reasons, they are like the R1s of the car world almost.

Not quite. An S15 is more the equivalent of a GSX600F, at a push. It wouldn't even compare to anything with a 'R' in it's name, except maybe a Hyosung.

cruza

23rd June 2010, 13:06

Yep now the facts are known , I hope he get's fully nailed by the courts.

Whats that ......loss of licence, fine........and probably home detention at most ( home cooked meals, mummy does the washing and can get work release .

Marmoot

25th June 2010, 09:29

Whats that ......loss of licence, fine........and probably home detention at most ( home cooked meals, mummy does the washing and can get work release .

Home detention is harder to swallow than prison. Most homes in New Zealand have lower temperature than the a/c controlled and underfloor-heated prisons. My home's floor average temperature is around 15C-17C. And this is winter, so it's bad.

Plus, a lot of homes don't have plasma TV.