Should people ask for donations from strangers on KB?

[Katman]

(Hey, you knew it was going to be done). :whistle:

Me? I would sell everything I owned before asking strangers for money.

[CookMySock]

They should do whatever they like. Why start a thread about what other people should do?


Steve

[Katman]

They should do whatever they like. Why start a thread about what other people should do?


Steve

'Cos I was told I had to.

[CookMySock]

'Cos I was told I had to.Hahaha, good dog!


Steve

[Mom]

They should do whatever they like. Why start a thread about what other people should do?


Steve

Give the bloke a break, he has been given heaps about taking threads off topic.


'Cos I was told I had to.

You are a good boy :D

Should they? Sure why not. Up to the person giving to decide if they should or not. Sad that anyone should be in the place they have to ask on a forum like this though.

[Vern]

I don't like people asking me for donations as we are not in a position to give to all the collectors out there and we have our own charities that we give to. Vern

[Katman]

Should they? Sure why not. Up to the person giving to decide if they should or not.

What if the people asking for money are not prepared to disclose what they are trying to achieve with your money?

[davereid]

Should people ask for money from strangers ?.

You don't need to.

Ask your government. If they agree, they will take the money you require from strangers, at gunpoint. Even if those strangers are completely opposed to your proposed expenditure, they will pay.

You DON'T need the authorisation of the man paying for your idea. You merely need the authorisation of the man with the gun.

[Kickaha]

Sad that anyone should be in the place they have to ask on a forum like this though.

Sad that thread would be stuck straight into PD when it has more relevance to things happening on this site than a lot of the other shit on here

[Katman]

What if the people asking for money want to keep their assets rather than sell them?

I mean, heaven forbid that they should use their own money.

[davereid]

who the fuck put it in pointless drivel ?

KB loses mana every day for this kind of shit. It was a valid thread, with valid questions and valid answers.

[Katman]

who the fuck put it in pointless drivel ?



I blame Chanceyy. She's insecure.

[Kickaha]

I blame Chanceyy.

Take it to a senior mod, I am sure they will listen to you :lol:

[Katman]

Take it to a senior mod, I am sure they will listen to you :lol:

Should I use swear words?

[Kickaha]

Should I use swear words?


Use lots of them

I have no problem with people asking for donations but they should clarify exactly what it will be spent on, also what will happen with any excess, I have donated to things on here before but it all depends on why they are asking and what circumstances led them to

[Mom]

Kinda miss the flame warriors, loved to nominate the mods for stuff like this.

I broke the forum last time I got a flame warrior war off the mark :pinch: Was hell good fun though. Do it :yes: Go on, I double dare you to start another one :D

[chanceyy]

I blame Chanceyy. She's insecure.

haha did not touch this thread :yawn:

each to their own, up to the individual if they wish to give or not

[Virago]

You ask a valid question. But putting aside your own rabid obsession with pursuing a grieving family, can you be sure where any money donated to anyone goes? Perhaps you should also attack those fuckers at the Sally Army with equal venom?

Having said that, people asking for money on KB should be open to reasonable query about how that money will be accounted for and spent, and be prepared to answer such reasonable questions.

Alas, some people lose sight of what is reasonable...

[Katman]

Perhaps you should also attack those fuckers at the Sally Army with equal venom?



Those fuckers have only ever gotten $1.27 out of me.

And even then, I fought them till they overpowered me.

[scumdog]

(Hey, you knew it was going to be done). :whistle:

Me? I would sell everything I owned before asking strangers for money.

They can ask - why not?

It's not like you HAVE to donate, is it??

[Katman]

They can ask - why not?

It's not like you HAVE to donate, is it??

I'm here to save the retards who simply think "Ow look, a charity - that has to be worthwhile".

[Virago]

I'm here to save the retards who simply think "Ow look, a charity - that has to be worthwhile".

Perhaps the retards don't want to be saved?

[Headbanger]

Money?

I draw the line at asking strangers for blowjobs.......

[CookMySock]

I'm here to save the retards...:killingme

Steve

[RiderInBlack]

Obviously the answer is yes. No harm in asking. The thing is just because ya ask doesn't mean ya receive.






But here again Katman, ya ASS-U-ME too much as in the case of Dan's family. Posted by them is the following:

"Your help does not have to be monetary. If you know a lawyer that can help us that will not cost us a fortune please let us know." (I would translate that as - they want ta be able to pay for this themselves if they can, and am embarrassed having ta ask for help).
"We have no more money left, no capacity to cope mentally or emationally anymore, and are asking for help" & "We are financially unable to cope and are also incapable of coping emotionally or mentally" (I would translate that as, they have mortgaged themselves as much as they can & desperately need financial and emotional support).
"My dad was going to represent himself but he can't face it and neither can the rest of us. It is just altogether too much." (anotherwords they have done the best that they can and now need help).
"We were reluctant to ask for help in the first place" (in anotherwords they are not used to having ta ask for help and find it difficult to ask for it now).
"We will not be discussing any of the evidence in the case with anyone before the inquest, on line or offline, unless they are a qualified lawyer and wish to represent the family at inquest." as back by TGW's coment "Sorry - regarding any questions or opinions, they need to be left until after the Inquest, it is in extremely poor taste to dictate either - clearly because of emotion, until the investigation and findings are complete, and I'm sure I don't need to remind the Evans Family to ignore opinion, particularly via PM - do not reply - until after your investigation is complete, cheers." (in otherwords they have been told by a legal professional that to discuss the evidence in a public forum before the inquest endangers their case).

[Katman]

Obviously the answer is yes. No harm in asking. The thing is just because ya ask doesn't mean ya receive.

But here again Katman, ya ASS-U-ME too much as in the case of Dan's family. Posted by them is the following:

"Your help does not have to be monetary. If you know a lawyer that can help us that will not cost us a fortune please let us know." (I would translate that as - they want ta be able to pay for this themselves if they can, and am embarrassed having ta ask for help).
"We have no more money left, no capacity to cope mentally or emationally anymore, and are asking for help" & "We are financially unable to cope and are also incapable of coping emotionally or mentally" (I would translate that as, they have mortgaged themselves as much as they can & desperately need financial and emotional support).
"My dad was going to represent himself but he can't face it and neither can the rest of us. It is just altogether too much." (anotherwords they have do the best that they can and now need help).
"We were reluctant to ask for help in the first place" (in anotherwords they are not used to having ta ask for help and find it difficult to ask for it now).
"We will not be discussing any of the evidence in the case with anyone before the inquest, on line or offline, unless they are a qualified lawyer and wish to represent the family at inquest." (in otherwords they have been told by a legal professional that to discuss the evidence in a public forum before the inquest endangers their case).


I bet you tried to save the flies that your school friends pulled the wings off.

[CookMySock]

"It is just altogether too much."AKA "end of rope." It happens to everyone, eventually, one way or another.

Yeah, ask for money, write a letter to the government, go to church, get professional help, hit rock bottom, have a mental breakdown - do what you have to. No one is going to criticise or tell you what to do.

No, I won't part with my money. I have my own disasters to contend with, and I'm sure you care nothing about those.

Life goes on.

Steve

[RiderInBlack]

I bet you tried to save the flies that your school friends pulled the wings off.Wrong again Kac-boy, I happily burnt ants with a magnifying glass:whocares: But then that as the above is off topic.

[Katman]

Life goes on.



Whoops, poor turn of phrase.

[Katman]

Wrong again Kac-boy, I happily burnt ants with a magnifying glass:whocares: But then that as the above is off topic.

Hey, this is my thread.

Everything is on topic.

[CookMySock]

I happily burnt ants with a magnifying glassWe just put them in the slug gun and shot them at the window. Instant two-inch grey patch. Better still, shoot them at someone. :niceone:

Steve

[Mom]

Far out, I have only just gone back to my pig avatar, best I go find the laser cats again.

[RiderInBlack]

No, I won't part with my money. I have my own disasters to contend with, and I'm sure you care nothing about those.

Life goes on.

SteveYa don't have to part with any money (unless it the Government asking or ya belong to a church that demands a cut of ya pay or the Lone-shark is going ta knee-cap ya). That is your choice.
I can't care about ya own disasters as I know absolutely nothing about them. I am willing ta listen if ya want ta share them. This doesn't mean that I would have ta give ya any money or that I would be of any help. In Dan's case, I do know the family (I, like many of us here, was at Dan's Funeral) and have ridden with some of his friends, so a have a good idea about whether I would want to help them.

[RiderInBlack]

Hey, this is my thread.

Everything is on topic.Sweet then I should be able ta cut and paste ya Red Reps coments and discuss them on here:Punk: PS: I am happy to discuss the one I gave you (a very rare thing for me to do if I might add).

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have my own disasters to contend with, and I'm sure you care nothing about those.
Steve

I'm sure you do. Like every time you do some 'motorcycle DIY'?

[RiderInBlack]

I'm sure you do. Like every time you do some 'motorcycle DIY'?Oh I didn't know Motorcycle DIY counted. I would be able ta put in for a few plea meself:innocent::laugh:

[CookMySock]

I can't care about ya own disasters as I know absolutely nothing about them. I am willing ta listen if ya want ta share them. This doesn't mean that I would have ta give ya any money or that I would be of any help.Pretty much. Typing them up won't do anything. Better I grit my teeth and make some changes that will effect a positive outcome. Same goes for most other people I suspect.

You must, of course, do what you believe in - everyone must believe in something, so keep up the good work! :niceone:

Steve

[=cJ=]

I'm here to save the retards who simply think "Ow look, a charity - that has to be worthwhile".

It's my cash and I'll do what I like with every cent I earn... after the government's taken PAYE, oh, and added GST to everything I choose to buy, and hell, I gotta pay my Regional council rates, oh, and my city council rates too. Oh feck, plus my rego, and WOF, and oh shit, my RUCs are overdue as well...

But I'll do what I like with my money.

[onearmedbandit]

I hate it when strangers ask me for cigarettes.

[Kiwi Graham]

(Hey, you knew it was going to be done). :whistle:

Me? I would sell everything I owned before asking strangers for money.

A stranger is just a friend you havn't met yet :hug:

[sinfull]

Or young homme girls parked up outside a bottle store asking if i have any spare cash , Doh !! Of course it's spare, or i wouldn't be pissing it up against a wall ! But i sure as hell aint giving it to them !

Wellfare state we live in do we not ? I'm happy to give (and give big) to things like rescue choppers and a couple of others, where the gubbernauts underfund !
Happy to jump on the band wagon for things like the Jaide aid fundraiser one of the boys in the club wanted to organise , as the treatment was deemed as alternative so no money from the state is available !
Was quite happy to hear over the weekend, that the young girl mentioned above is now feeding herself with fork an spoon, rather than relying on a tube since having the treatment too ! Good fluffies !

[DMNTD]

I would sell everything I owned before asking strangers for money.

100% agreed, I would personally feel wrong if I owned assetts whilst asking for cash.
Each to their own I guess and maybe I have too much pride?

[RiderInBlack]

I also struggle with asking for help when I really need it, but life has taught me that I have to swallow my pride now and again to get by.
Dan's family have not come asking for help here light and ya can be sure it is hurting their pride big time having ta ask. Having people with no idea of what ya are going through, making judges on you asking for help, only makes it that much harder.
For those who say they would rather sale everything before asking for money, I would ask you how many of you have received any kind of benefit or ACC payment. Did you sell ya assets before receiving that money or asking for that help? I very much doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge that. I just want ya ta stop and think before passing judgment on those in need. Have any of you gone through what Dan's family is going through now? If ya have, have ya survived with out any help at all? I bet not.
At the end of the day, ask for help, don't ask for help, give help or don't give help, but don't judge those in need who are brave enough to drop their pride ta ask for help when they really need it.
I know what kind of World I want ta live in and that is one where people care and help each other. I also know for that World to exist, I need to adi-up and play it forward and play it back. It is your choice what kind of World you want to live in. Think hard and choose carefully.

[Pussy]

100% agreed, I would personally feel wrong if I owned assetts whilst asking for cash.
Each to their own I guess and maybe I have too much pride?

Not at all, Chris... it's called moral fibre

[MSTRS]

What I fail to understand is how *some* on here, who DO NOT KNOW the family, seem to know so much about their financial status and asset-ownership...

[Dutchee]

If people come here asking for money, it'd better not be their first post.

If I decide to give my money to someone who asks for some, or give help/support to someone who needs help, that's my business, not anyone else's.

I never met Dan, nor his family, and unfortunately the circumstances are vague in my memory, I have nothing to say in their thread, so I've said nothing there.

This pisses me off, as they have the thread topic "Friends of .....", and are asking those that knew him, or anyone else who may have something to contribute (financial or even support), they are NOT asking for anything from anyone who doesn't want to support them.

They obviously need help & support right now and feel that some KBers may be able to help them in some way. I don't doubt they're not 100% happy about how things have worked out for them, but they are trying to cope and do the best that they can, under the circumstances.

I find it hard to even ask help from friends when I need it, but if my friends ask me for something, I'll do everything I can. I don't always know who my friends are - I've been taken aback at times when someone I've not considered a friend has given me support or help. The family obviously is feeling the same, and it is better for them to ask here, and if there's nothing for them, well, they have tried.

Better to have tried and failed than to have never tried.

You don't have to support or help anyone asking for help if you don't feel it. You may never ask for help, but I think if you did need it, you'd be amazed if ONE person helped you. I'm not meaning because of this thread or anything else you've said/done, but the fact that you'd be privileged to have been helped by a stranger or someone you never considered a friend.

Anyway, I've probably not explained what I've meant properly, or you'll take it the wrong way, red rep me, whatever. It ain't real life, but on the other end of each keyboard/computer is a real person, with real feelings.

don't give anything to the family, but don't belittle what they're going through.

[Nasty]

I'm here to save the retards who simply think "Ow look, a charity - that has to be worthwhile".

Interesting statement ... anyone who asks for money is automatatically a charity. I think not.

A charity is something entirely different. They are asking for help or charity.

There have quite a few several instances where people have asked for money ... and many more where people have asked for support. It is up to each and every one of us to decide what we do around those requests.

I think that being able to ask what the money is for is a fair and reasonable request. That does not include always going into the nitty gritty of a "case" before a court or a coroners inquest. That people want to go into that sort of detail is more for the "gore" factor than being able to offer support.

I asked for no money when Grub died - but I had HUGE support. People took time off work and came to the inquest - I was in a position to represent myself and Brett having done the research and forced the investigations to take place. But that people came was great - it helped me to focus on what needed to be done knowing that others had my back.

For those who need to have financial support - I choose based on many factors if I can help, sometimes it is just not able to be done financially - others it can. There are many on here who are actually mature enough to see the whole picture - and not focus on one piece of it.

[Katman]

There have quite a few several instances where people have asked for money ...

Yeah, and look at the scorn and ridicule thrown around when Morcs started a thread asking for donations for Carvers legal expenses.

[Headbanger]

In a nutshell.

Yes its fine for people to ask for contributions, Its not a big deal until someone makes it so.

No need for a witch hunt.

[Nasty]

Yeah, and look at the scorn and ridicule thrown around when Morcs started a thread asking for donations for Carvers legal expenses.

You quote one part of what I said ... and didn't bother to look at the whole. This is indicative of why I said in the second half of that statement.


It is up to each and every one of us to decide what we do around those requests.

People choose ... we are not stupid ... we discuss if we want - but remember most of us earn our own money - and have the right to decide where it goes.

There was scorn at Carvers mates efforts to raise money to pay a lawyer - and that is part of life. But to compare that to the majority of requests on here is an exceptionally foohlish thing to do. The latest being to have help with a lawyer for an incredibly complicated inquest - quite a different scenario to Carvers.

Again, people make their own decisions. It is that simple - money was raised for Carver - and money will be raised to help other families. It is up to the individual to assess where there money or support goes.

[yungatart]

It is okay to ask for money or anything else that one might need on here. There is no obligation on the part of the reader to give money, it is purely choice.
Why, we have ourselves, asked for money/support when Zac was fundraising to go to Belgium, some gave, some didn't.

Get over it Katman! Someone is doing something you don't agree with...it's not the first time, is it?

[ynot slow]

What's the difference between asking online or via agency.By this I mean having had first hand what it's like to require info on my illness when diagnosed,the cancer society were bloody brilliant(much like similar cases with head injuries,parralysis etc with those agencies,most are non govt funded)in telling me that in NO WAY was asking for help either financial or information wise a problem,they explained the way to apply for grants for travel,even gave me fuel vouchers when required,gave us support via websites etc.And like most of us just ASKING was humbling,but they made it brilliant to be made to feel I/we were not alone in asking and if you didn't ask they couldn't help.

And isn't asking for sponsorship similar to begging,only that sponsor $$$ goes to the project and can be seen with decalls etc on bike or rider,but how does the sponsor know his $$ hasn't gone on end of year piss up.

[Katman]

There was scorn at Carvers mates efforts to raise money to pay a lawyer - and that is part of life.

Exactly.<hgvhgvhjv>

[Maha]

I asked for money from a stranger once and he said ''yeah but first show us your cock''.

[Katman]

And isn't asking for sponsorship similar to begging,only that sponsor $$$ goes to the project and can be seen with decalls etc on bike or rider,but how does the sponsor know his $$ hasn't gone on end of year piss up.

No, sponsership is (or usually is) an arrangement of mutual benefit to both parties.

[oldrider]

What if the people asking for money are not prepared to disclose what they are trying to achieve with your money?

That is the example set every day by our government! (Well at least over the last sixty years that I have known them)

They don't ask though, they take it by force! (Theft if you do it to them)

[Katman]

There was another donation thread on here a while back. (Quite frankly, on the surface, a more worthy cause than the one that instigated this thread).

However, whenever the thread seemed to be starting to slow down, the recipient of the donations would pop back in crying how hard she was finding it to carry on living.

A cynic could be forgiven for wondering whether it was carefully staged.

[Nasty]

What's the difference between asking online or via agency.By this I mean having had first hand what it's like to require info on my illness when diagnosed,the cancer society were bloody brilliant(much like similar cases with head injuries,parralysis etc with those agencies,most are non govt funded)in telling me that in NO WAY was asking for help either financial or information wise a problem,they explained the way to apply for grants for travel,even gave me fuel vouchers when required,gave us support via websites etc.And like most of us just ASKING was humbling,but they made it brilliant to be made to feel I/we were not alone in asking and if you didn't ask they couldn't help.

And isn't asking for sponsorship similar to begging,only that sponsor $$$ goes to the project and can be seen with decalls etc on bike or rider,but how does the sponsor know his $$ hasn't gone on end of year piss up.

Sponsorship different issue .... as KM says its a mutual benefit - to promote.

But I think the biggest thing you have said in your statement is that the NGO's are there to support - help where they can - but offer a wide range of ways to support you through things. The NGO/Not for profit sector operates in an extremely difficult environment - but they do show support and services in ways quite often outside the square.

[Nasty]

There was another donation thread on here a while back. (Quite frankly, on the surface, a more worthy cause than the one that instigated this thread).

However, whenever the thread seemed to be starting to slow down, the recipient of the donations would pop back in crying how hard she was finding it to carry on living.

A cynic could be forgiven for wondering whether it was carefully staged.

Wow .. you just showed what an ignorant fool you are.

[Katman]

Wow .. you just showed what an ignorant fool you are.

Really?

I remember numerous people making the offer to meet her for a coffee and to give their moral support.

To the best of my knowledge no-ones offer was ever accepted - only their money.

I may be an ignorant fool but you're a gullible one.

[Nasty]

Really?

I remember numerous people making the offer to meet her for a coffee and moral support.

To the best of my knowledge no-ones offer was ever taken advantage of.

I may be an ignorant fool but you're a gullible one.

1. She did not ask for money - someone asked on her behalf.

2. I have been in contact with her since her partner died - I am not gulleble I got her into a place where the correct support could be offered for what she was going through.

3. Those two points above - show that you have no farking idea at all ... but I am please you seem to know your ignorance is there.

I agree with a lot of your points - not the ones in this thread - the way you make your points - you arsehole manner "god like I am right manner" - those are just side effects of your closeminded shortsightedness.

[RiderInBlack]

I think Katman has not had much caring or loving in his life and what he really needs in a Great Big Hairy Hug. I feel sorry for ya Dude:bye:

[Katman]

I agree with a lot of your points - not the ones in this thread - the way you make your points - you arsehole manner "god like I am right manner" - those are just side effects of your closeminded shortsightedness.

I'm just a complex, multi-dimensional character.

:msn-wink:

[RiderInBlack]

I'm just a complex, multi-dimensional character.

:msn-wink:So like a cake or an onion?

[oldrider]

If this thread had been headed clearly I would never have even opened it!

[T.W.R]

I'm just a complex, multi-dimensional character.

:msn-wink:

Schizophrenia :yes:

[RiderInBlack]

Schizophrenia :yes:Mixed in with a bit of Personality Disorder (that's why Katman loves the PD thread, makes him feel at home), most a likely. But then none of us are perfect (despite what some of us believe). We are a very diverse Species.

[firefighter]

Someone tell the westpac crew they should'nt be asking for donations.

[Kickaha]

Someone tell the westpac crew they shouldn't be asking for donations.

Most people would see a clear benefit for donating to them

[RiderInBlack]

Someone tell the westpac crew they should'nt be asking for donations.Just as well the Rescue Helicopters don't choose who they pick up base on whether someone makes donation Aye:msn-wink:

[firefighter]

Most people would see a clear benifit for donating to them

Lucky for those that do'nt, we pay their way.


Just as well the Rescue Helicopters don't choose who they pick up base on whether someone makes donation Aye:msn-wink:

Yup! Considering the majority of those rescued have probably never given a cent!

I have no problem with people asking for help. You can choose whether to help or not, and do'nt need to be-little them and make a whole thread dedicated to their further destruction.

Sometimes karma works far too slowly.

[Katman]

Schizophrenia :yes:

I don't know.

Let me go ask the others.

[Kickaha]

Sometimes karma works far too slowly.

Karma doesn't work at all, it's superstitious bullshit

[Owl]

I don't know.

Let me go ask the others.

Others?

Quadrophenia perhaps?:D

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[Katman]

It is okay to ask for money or anything else that one might need on here. There is no obligation on the part of the reader to give money, it is purely choice.
Why, we have ourselves, asked for money/support when Zac was fundraising to go to Belgium, some gave, some didn't.



I remember back when fund-raising involved people getting off their arse and doing something for the money they received. Collecting bottles, chopping firewood, washing cars..............

My, how times have changed.

[yungatart]

I remember back when fund-raising involved people getting off their arse and doing something for the money they received. Collecting bottles, chopping firewood, washing cars..............

My, how times have changed.

We did all that too! Plus head shaves and Zac catered small dinner parties etc as well as worked two jobs and managed his school work and extra curricular activities too.
He sold his bike and his car, both of which he had worked bloody hard to get in the first place.
Nowhere did I state that he/we sat around on arses and expected KB to pay for his entire trip. Stop being such a misguided pedant!

[Katman]

He sold his bike and his car, both of which he had worked bloody hard to get in the first place.


See, now we're getting somewhere.

[RiderInBlack]

See, now we're getting somewhere.Are We Really? Do you really think ya have made a point? Do you really know what efforts and sacrifices Dan's family have made already? I don't, and I don't ASS-U-ME whether they have made any or not. I do know that they haven't been idly sitting on their arses with their hands out though. Have ya any idea as to what Dan's death has cost this family already?
So do ya really think ya have made ya point yet, or are ya starting to realise that maybe ya have done this family a great injustice, but am unable to admit that you may have been wrong:brick:

[imdying]

(Hey, you knew it was going to be done). :whistle:

Me? I would sell everything I owned before asking strangers for money.They are no more or less entitled to do that, than you are to question, in the same thread, whether it should or shouldn't be.

You can't utilise a public discussion forum like that without expecting discussion, and you sure as fuck can't demand that the discussion all be rainbows and lollipops.

[T.W.R]

I don't know.

Let me go ask the others.

lol that's D.I.D

But Schizophrenia sounds about on the mark:

Schizophrenia (pronounced /ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions

[davereid]

If this thread had been headed clearly I would never have even opened it!

I made the same error... I assumed it was a general topic. I never realised it was about particular individuals.

[RiderInBlack]

To imdying (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/2368-imdying) Re: black text....
I did that on purpose to differentiate between what I was quoting from what another had written from my comments. Anyone that knows me at all on this site will know I only post in Comic Sans MS in this blue colour. It's just what I do. Is it the colour change ya can't handle or the black or are ya just repíng for the hell of it? Maybe ya one of the Dark Universers, in which case I should have chosen WHITE , but then I couldn't see that in the Light Universe. There doesn't seem ta be an auto default Font colour choice button.

[imdying]

I know and I don't care. Anyone who uses colours that don't work with a black background gets rep from me, not every time but enough to, as the rep box says, express my 'disapproval'. It's just what I do. I also rep people bitcing about rep, so expect some more.

The quote tags are quite capable of differentiating your text from other peoples, or at least 99.99% of the foum seems to do ok using them.

[PrincessBandit]

They are no more or less entitled to do that, than you are to question, in the same thread, whether it should or shouldn't be.

You can't utilise a public discussion forum like that without expecting discussion, and you sure as fuck can't demand that the discussion all be rainbows and lollipops.

At least in this separate thread, the question (which obviously was seen as extremely bad form in the "other" thread) can be asked with frank and open discussion. It is quite irrelevant whether it was aimed at anyone in particular - or not, as the case might even be - people will judge it by their own interpretation of recent events. At least the discussion and debate can be continued in another arena where people can be free to express their opinions about the topic without being punished for offending someone or upsetting others.

[Katman]

At least in this separate thread, the question (which obviously was seen as extremely bad form in the "other" thread) can be asked with frank and open discussion. It is quite irrelevant whether it was aimed at anyone in particular - or not, as the case might even be - people will judge it by their own interpretation of recent events. At least the discussion and debate can be continued in another arena where people can be free to express their opinions about the topic without being punished for offending someone or upsetting others.

But the paradox is that 'certain people' will still read this thread and allow themselves to get upset by it.

That's the thing about internet forums. If you're too fragile to cope with them you're better off finding support elsewhere.

[RiderInBlack]

I also rep people bitcing about rep, so expect some more.Sweet I will look forward to some more Red. I was getting sick of green any way. Another fun thing to do when ya bored is Use the Green Positive Rep but leave negative comment. An oldie but a goodie. I found that really amusing when someone gave me that one, LOL. Have even had a positive comment from a Red Negative rep. Now that was quite imaginative:Punk: By the way, would it not have been better to PM to let me know that Ya couldn't see what I had written (I had no idea until ya rep'ed, and even then it has taken a bit of playing around to work out what may have been the problem). Ya might have found that I would have apologised and gone back to correct it. Now I know what has cause ya problem, I will go back to the post and fix it.

[imdying]

I will go back to the post and fix it.result == win, issue is no bigger than that imho.

[RiderInBlack]

But the paradox is that 'certain people' will still read this thread and allow themselves to get upset by it.As will "certain other people" pretend to be generalising as a way to get at "certain people". It's a very old thing "certain people" do to be harmful and spiteful while pretending that they are not. They do this because they know if they opening said what they really mean, poeple wouldn't like them anymore and get to know them for who they really are. The thing is there are many "certain other people" that are not fooled by this at all, and tend to say as much.

[Katman]

As will "certain other people" pretend to be generalising as a way to get at "certain people". It's a very old thing "certain people" do to be harmful and spiteful while pretending that they are not. They do this because they know if they opening said what they really mean, poeple wouldn't like them anymore and get to know them for who they really are. The thing is the are many "certain other people" that are not fooled by this at all, and tend to say as much.

I don't come on this forum to make friends. If friends come from it - well and good.

But you'd have to be rather sad to set about aiming to gain friends simply from written words on a computer screen.

And I'm sure most people realise this thread is in response to an actual incident. I'm not trying to disguise anything.

[RiderInBlack]

I don't come on this forum to make friends.Then obviously you are achieving ya gaol of not having friends really well, but I am sure ya could try a little harder.
So may I ask why you really joined Kiwi Biker in the first place? The real truth. And makes ya want to stay here now? What do ya really want out of this Forum?

[Katman]

Then obviously you are achieving ya gaol of not having friends really well, but I am sure ya could try a little harder.
So may I ask why you really joined Kiwi Biker in the first place? The real truth. And makes ya want to stay here now? What do ya really want out of this Forum?

I'm only here to express an opinion.

[PrincessBandit]

As will "certain other people" pretend to be generalising as a way to get at "certain people". It's a very old thing "certain people" do to be harmful and spiteful while pretending that they are not. They do this because they know if they opening said what they really mean, poeple wouldn't like them anymore and get to know them for who they really are. The thing is there are many "certain other people" that are not fooled by this at all, and tend to say as much.

At least it's not in the thread that has upset so many people. Feel free to keep commenting but you're only showing that you can't let it go. Go back to the original thread and stay there if you don't like hearing controversial conversation.

[RiderInBlack]

Is that it. No other reason. Not to share an interest. Not to learn. Not to impart knowledge to the new riders so they may enjoy riding more and to help them became better riders (if not for that reason, then ya should stop being a mentor).
Ya only on KB to express AN OPTION. Only one option.
If that is true then you are a truly sad soul.
Some how I don't believe that is true. I really believe ya have way more depth than that. You yourself stated that ya had layers.

[Katman]

Is that it. No other reason. Not to share an interest. Not to learn. Not to impart knowledge to the new riders so they may enjoy riding more and to help them became better riders (if not for that reason, then ya should stop being a mentor).
Ya only on KB to express AN OPTION. Only one option.
If that is true then you are a truly sad soul.
Some how I don't believe that is true. I really believe ya have way more depth than that. You yourself stated that ya had layers.

If anyone wants to call on my mentoring services it's happily given.

Sadly, I seem to be on a cruisey ride. It seems more people seek mentoring to become a faster rider rather than a safer rider.

[RiderInBlack]

At least it's not in the thread that has upset so many people.And that is a true blessing.
Feel free to keep commenting but you're only showing that you can't let it go.And how is that different to Katman. I'm not fooled by his underhanded remarks even if you are.
Go back to the original thread and stay there if you don't like hearing controversial conversation.You are making an ASS-U-ME there. I can handle controversial conversation (I can also dish it out). But there is a time and place for it (and I'm sure you agree that the thread for Dan was not the time for it). Can you handle the reactions to controversial conversation?

[RiderInBlack]

If anyone wants to call on my mentoring services it's happily given.So there, ya do have a greater purpose here. Now all ya need to do is work on ya people skills so that ya might get more riders wanting ta learn off you.

[RiderInBlack]

Can you handle the reactions to controversial conversation?Obviously Katman can't. He's gone trolling and got the wrong kind of "fish" on the line.

[PrincessBandit]

And that is a true blessing. And how is that different to Katman. I'm not fooled by his underhanded remarks even if you are.You are making an ASS-U-ME there. I can handle controversial conversation (I can also dish it out). But there is a time and place for it (and I'm sure you agree that the thread for Dan was not the time for it). Can you handle the reactions to controversial conversation?

I most certainly can handle it, young man. People made it clear that katman's post(s) were inappropriate where they were, so he has done as was suggested and taken them elsewhere. What is your problem with that?

(and there I most certainly do admit to assumption - that you are a "young man" - you might actually be an old fulla for all I know). :msn-wink:

[Katman]

And as an aside.........regarding my mentor status.

I was nominated by a person who is held in far higher regard on here than me. (Yes, I realise that's not difficult).

At first I suspected it was a pisstake but decided that on the off-chance that it was genuine, I would make myself available.

I have always said though that the :Me after my name, that I've been saddled with, will not change the person that I am.

I will always state my opinion openly - and be happy to wear the consequences.

[RiderInBlack]

I most certainly can handle it, young man. People made it clear that katman's post(s) were inappropriate where they were, so he has done as was suggested and taken them elsewhere. What is your problem with that?

(and there I most certainly do admit to assumption - that you are a "young man" - you might actually be an old fulla for all I know). :msn-wink:He did so after being asked repeatedly to do so. Then his posts got forcibly removed ta PD, as he was not willing ta take the advise given to him. It was only then he started this thread, which he should have after being asked the first time. No Problem if ya believe his intentions where well meaning. Had his intentions been well meaning, don't ya think that he would have left this alone until some of the heat had died down, instead of start this thread as soon as his posts in Dan's Thread got PDéd? So no problem as long as he can handle the feedback.
Thanks for thinking I am young (parts are still young at heart), as for being Old that is a matter of perspective:msn-wink:

[Katman]

So no problem as long as he can handle the feedback.

Rest assured - I'm not about to go and slit my wrists.

[RiderInBlack]

And as an aside.........regarding my mentor status.

I was nominated by a person who is held in far higher regard on here than me. (Yes, I realise that's not difficult).I'm glad ya not going ta self harm. Someone obviously believes that ya can do great good. Pity ya wasting that.

[avgas]

The world is full of morons.
Some give money.
Some try to calculate countersteering.
Some don't wave.
Some don't take my advice.

Welcome to KB.
Fuck off the lot of ya.

[avgas]

I asked for money from a stranger once and he said ''yeah but first show us your cock''.
Keep your dealings with KFC out of this thread.
This is serious - like the real world man.
Plus we are getting to the good part - R.I.B. is going to start waltzing with Katman.
Its fucking dancing with the stars.

Can you get that Kroneiburg (or however it is spelt) without the flip-top cap thing on the bottle?

[RiderInBlack]

Plus we are getting to the good part - R.I.B. is going to start waltzing with Katman.Dam I don't know how ta waltzing. Do ya think he will still want ta dance with me? Oh that's right he's a mentor, so he can teach me. Sweet and ta think all I wanted ta do is give him a Big Hairy Hug, and now he's going ta teach me ta dance. Ooh Happy Joyful Day:wari:

[Dutchee]

But the paradox is that 'certain people' will still read this thread and allow themselves to get upset by it.

That's the thing about internet forums. If you're too fragile to cope with them you're better off finding support elsewhere.

Chances are the family won't look at this thread from you. They may not go into this forum (I don't often), or knowing what you had written in another thread, realised it will upset them.
I don't get what you're getting from this. You tried to screw another thread, some folk (not family) had asked you not to, the family also asked you not to, but you persisted on being a wanker.
TGW and Nasty both got a hell of a lot of support here when they needed it after the death of loved ones, they possibly got financial support as well. Big f'ing deal. Nasty has been brilliant with giving us updates on the hell she's been going through with the coroner, and the changes they are making (or have now made) because of Grub's death. I'm sure that has not been an easy time for her, TGW has done things as well because of her loved one's death, the other person you mention is a young person struggling to grasp her llife back with her child depending on her, after losing her loved one. She is better opening up to strangers, some who can help her, than her family having to bring up her child as she couldn't cope.
I really hope you never have to ask anyone for help with anything, but if you do, I'm sure some folk will help you out.
Asking for financial assistance because you've been a 'tard and sprung by the cops, sorry, learn life's lessons. If you'd like to help me out by paying my speeding ticket, let me know ;} (I'm sure others are in the same boat and also accept the fact they've screwed up, so shit happens).

[buffstar]

The world is full of morons.
Some give money.
Some try to calculate countersteering.
Some don't wave.
Some don't take my advice.

Welcome to KB.
Fuck off the lot of ya.

LOL ! - that was worth reading alll the previous posts......

[nodrog]

can i have some money?

[RiderInBlack]

can i have some money?Depends, have ya sold ya bike?

[Laava]

can i have some money?

'kin ethanopians!

[nodrog]

Depends, have ya sold ya bike?

yep. do you want my account number?


'kin ethanopians!

just a dollar a day bro!

[RiderInBlack]

Would ya ask a Biker Racer if he has sold his bikes if someone else was asking for sponsorship/donations to help the racer's racing?
That has been asked before on here. I remember Two Smoker's Racing Fund (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/57412-Two-Smoker-s-Racing-Fund?p=1212847#post1212847) . No one questioned if donations be asked for on KB then, or if TS had sold everything else first.

[Genestho]

Chances are the family won't look at this thread from you. They may not go into this forum (I don't often), or knowing what you had written in another thread, realised it will upset them.
I don't get what you're getting from this. You tried to screw another thread, some folk (not family) had asked you not to, the family also asked you not to, but you persisted on being a wanker.
TGW and Nasty both got a hell of a lot of support here when they needed it after the death of loved ones, they possibly got financial support as well. Big f'ing deal. Nasty has been brilliant with giving us updates on the hell she's been going through with the coroner, and the changes they are making (or have now made) because of Grub's death. I'm sure that has not been an easy time for her, TGW has done things as well because of her loved one's death, the other person you mention is a young person struggling to grasp her llife back with her child depending on her, after losing her loved one. She is better opening up to strangers, some who can help her, than her family having to bring up her child as she couldn't cope.
I really hope you never have to ask anyone for help with anything, but if you do, I'm sure some folk will help you out.
Asking for financial assistance because you've been a 'tard and sprung by the cops, sorry, learn life's lessons. If you'd like to help me out by paying my speeding ticket, let me know ;} (I'm sure others are in the same boat and also accept the fact they've screwed up, so shit happens).

The only reason I chose to post in this thread, is to thank those who stepped forward on KB and offline - to help when they understood what I wanted to do, which was to try and prevent what happened to my family, from happening to others. To be honest I'm not even offended by KM, he sometimes has a valid point - although I feel somewhat dissapointed in this thread, we don't know what's around the next corner.

In saying that if KM or anyone needed practical support, I'd be one of the first to see where I could assist. (No I will not pay your fine KM)
I'd like to acknowledge Nasty - who has achieved a good outcome - trying work in difficult circumstances to try to prevent a similar situation, that contributed to the cause of her beloved man's death.
When the call goes out, the call is answered.

YO Gordy, get a pie!!! :bleh:

[nodrog]

YO Gordy, get a pie!!! :bleh:

will you donate me one? :shutup::sunny::wari:

[Genestho]

will you donate me one? :shutup::sunny::wari:

How 'bout I donate you this: :wari: :lol:

http://www.itwouldbescary.com/images/whoopass.jpg

[avgas]

How 'bout I donate you this: :wari: :lol:


Why is it a easy open can? I think its false advertising.
Unless milo has changed its name?

[jonbuoy]

I´ve always found it a bit odd asking for donations - be it for racing, legal fees or because you did something retarded or donating to a deceased bikers family. I ride a bike because I like bikes, it doesn´t make me a hero or anything special or worthy of charitable donations should I fuck up or be fucked up by another road user. Bikes carry a risk - if you have a family dependent on your income and you can still afford a sportsbike get a half decent life insurance policy. If you can´t afford it sell your bike or ride bloody carefully.

[cowboyz]

Firstly.. I agree with Katman.. (you can frame that quote cause it doesnt happen often)

Secondly, there is so much that cant be discussed on kiwibiker because it might upset someone. Years ago I had a girlfriend. She decided she didnt like me anymore (hard to believe) Every time I went out on the street and saw a woman it reminded me I used to have one and upset me and I found myself asking.. Why.. OH WHY are all these woman allowed out of the kitchen????
my point is (cause this is kiwibiker so there is bound to be 400 people who miss it) is that when something bad happens, everything could be a reminder of the incident. its no reason not to discuss it.

back on topic. I am pretty set square really. I dont give money to fund any outcome of crashes. End of story. With racing donations where ppl have shown potiential and just need a leg up then that is different. Im way too tight to go handing over money for nothing but for instance, I was very happy to help out sketchy racer when he held at BBQ mid forgotten highway ride that I organised a while back.
Aside from that. everyone is doing it hard these days.

[davebullet]

People ask for help where they can find it. Whether it is for advice, for money or just someone to lend an ear. Genuine requests for any of the above on any site are welcome in my book.

I think the problem is all too often people don't ask for help, then do something to hurt themselves or others when they can't cope.

If a life can be helped or saved, then the end justifies the means.

[PrincessBandit]

.............................
Secondly, there is so much that cant be discussed on kiwibiker because it might upset someone. ....................... when something bad happens, everything could be a reminder of the incident. its no reason not to discuss it.

back on topic. I am pretty set square really. I dont give money to fund any outcome of crashes. End of story. With racing donations where ppl have shown potiential and just need a leg up then that is different. Im way too tight to go handing over money for nothing but for instance, I was very happy to help out sketchy racer when he held at BBQ mid forgotten highway ride that I organised a while back.
Aside from that. everyone is doing it hard these days.


People ask for help where they can find it. Whether it is for advice, for money or just someone to lend an ear. Genuine requests for any of the above on any site are welcome in my book.

I think the problem is all too often people don't ask for help, then do something to hurt themselves or others when they can't cope.

If a life can be helped or saved, then the end justifies the means.

Two consecutive points, both different and equally valid. Questions can and should be asked whether or not they provoke controversy.

[Genestho]

Two consecutive points, both different and equally valid. Questions can and should be asked whether or not they provoke controversy.
Yes - agreed, but at this point, questions in relation to the crash have nothing at all to do with 'controversy' - until after the legal obligation is fullfilled, as requested by the family representative.

With all due respect - to expect answers in a public forum - prior to the findings of an investigation, is quite naive. Has anyone bothered to ask if they'd be willing to put themselves through sharing the findings here afterwards?

[avgas]

I would like some money to tell people to "fuck off" on kb.
Please donate.
This place has exceeded its quota of BS

[avgas]

If a life can be helped or saved, then the end justifies the means.
You would think that, but the solution they are after in this instance costs nothing.
DON'T HIT INANIMATE OBJECTS ON A MOTORBIKE

who do I send the bill to?