Let's hear it for Moerewa

[Headbanger]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3728740/Rena-Laws-words-vile

[firefighter]

"Owen told Sunday News from her Los Angeles home." - Her opinion holds no weighting in my book. If she was actually a resident of the north then ok. I wonder if she's a member of FAG? (film actors guild)

Laws is pretty brash, but he bloody makes me laugh. I understand what he is saying. That does'nt mean I wholeheartedly agree with him, but he is'nt straying far from reality with what he is saying.

I have to say i'm sick of justifications like this;

"There are some who may go on the dole because they are lazy. But I also know there are a lot of people out there who [want] a job," she said.

The need for money also saw some break the law.

"I knew of someone in my area who ended up growing a patch [of marijuana] just to feed his kids. He grew a crop, not to smoke it, simply to make some money and feed his kids," she said.

Most people on the dole are lazy. Period. A very small few are there because they are (genuinely) out of work. (whom I have no issue with)

And what a load of shit. You get so many fucken benefits etc you do'nt need to break the law. That's party money. People survive in aucks where everything is more expensive on the same handouts....

Most intelligent people, would move to get the work to support their family. If you want to live in a place like that and refuse to move, and then ca'nt find work, you get no sympathy from me.

[Headbanger]

"Owen told Sunday News from her Los Angeles home." - Her opinion holds no weighting in my book. If she was actually a resident of the north then ok

Yeah, I agree with your entire post.

That aside I was stuck in Moerawa for a few months, In fact we demolished the freezing works that supported the town.

Complete and utter fuck hole.

(spent the last ten minutes looking for the photos I took, damned if I can find them)

Edit.

Feck, It was well before digital cameras, they won't be on my PC, they will be in the photo album.

[CookMySock]

That aside I was stuck in Moerawa for a few months, In fact we demolished the freezing works that supported the town.:niceone:

Good work!

Steve

[MIXONE]

I was in Moerewa the night a mini riot broke out.The mad fuckers set fire to the fire engine then through the driver back in the cab.
I always walked around with my father-in-law's great big fuckoff alsation so I was pretty safe.

[DEATH_INC.]

Levelling that shithole to the ground would be too good for it.

[george formby]

Yeah, I agree with your entire post.

That aside I was stuck in Moerawa for a few months, In fact we demolished the freezing works that supported the town.

Complete and utter fuck hole.

(spent the last ten minutes looking for the photos I took, damned if I can find them)

Edit.

Feck, It was well before digital cameras, they won't be on my PC, they will be in the photo album.

Sorry to say the place has not changed much, though I would not have used that exact expression. Lots of little communities up here are really struggling to survive. Usual suspects causing horrendous social problems, unemployment, drug & alcohol abuse, culture of violence, boredom etc. It's heartbraking to see communities wither & fragment.

[rainman]

Most people on the dole are lazy. Period.
...
You get so many fucken benefits etc you do'nt need to break the law.

Interested to hear what evidence you base your first statement on.
I agree there is no excuse for breaking the law, but have you ever been on the unemployment benefit? What would you describe as "so many fucken benefits"?


we demolished the freezing works that supported the town.


Good work!

So what do you geniuses expect will happen to social conditions in a town when the main source of employment disappears?


Lots of little communities up here are really struggling to survive. Usual suspects causing horrendous social problems, unemployment, drug & alcohol abuse, culture of violence, boredom etc. It's heartbraking to see communities wither & fragment.

Perhaps we should enact policies that avoid this then, rather than bleating on about lazy dole bludgers and other social issues (most of which were created by stoopidly following neolib free marketism anyway) ?

[Motu]

But she is right in saying Rogernomics and the late '80's stockmarket crash killed small town NZ.You didn't live in small towns like Huntly unless you had a job,and you lived in a house owned by your employeer...mines,powerstation.Now you don't live in towns like this unless you are unemployed.The Government turned thriving towns into breeding grounds of benefit fraud and crime.We could level them and move everyone into the cities - we all want a bigger Auckland now don't we?

[george formby]

Perhaps we should enact policies that avoid this then, rather than bleating on about lazy dole bludgers and other social issues (most of which were created by stoopidly following neolib free marketism anyway) ?

There in lie's the rub. Having lived in small communities up here for a few years now I believe the only real solution is within the communities. People want to earn, they want their kids educated, they want to be productive, but at every turn their are problems. Their is no work, no way to keep a car legal & travel, school cut backs, & on it goe's. A" what's the point" attitude
has developed. What ever you do to get ahead is taken from you, wether by family, government or neighbours.
It has taken a while for things to get so bad & will take a while to fix.
The cost of making these communities productive & self supporting should not be an issue. The products of our small communities are producing the headlines we recoil from everyday.

Dammit, get off your soap box George.

[firefighter]

Interested to hear what evidence you base your first statement on.
I agree there is no excuse for breaking the law, but have you ever been on the unemployment benefit? What would you describe as "so many fucken benefits"?

So what do you geniuses expect will happen to social conditions in a town when the main source of employment disappears?

Easy, the house full of dole bludging islanders who lived across from me, nothing wrong with them except they were lazy sloths, an old friend who went on the dole for no reason, and his mates all doing the same, then there is south Auckland, and every other slum full of dole blugers...

Get into semantics if you want, but it's no fucken secret that the majority of those on the dole are lazy and have no intention of getting employment. Not all obviously, and I have no issue with those who are on it for a genuine reason, but iv'e been to enough of the shit-holes with lazy ass oxygen thieves who are thrilled to death about it to know that most have no interest in earing a cent, and will sit there with their hands out for as long as the money comes to them.

I can sense a bleeding heart coming to their defence, but i'm not interested.

As for the benefits, i'm well aware it's not enough for you to party on, or live very comfortably, but you can get by on it, without the need to steal or commit crime. You are probably dead-set on grossly purposely mis-interpreting what my meaning is here, but take it as I mean it for fucks sake.

As for what our "geniuses" suggestions as to what to do are, well that's pretty damn obvious. Move to where you can be employed, i've moved three times to find employment/suit my employer. No-one made me go, i'm just not satisfied with sitting on my ass leeching of the rest of the nations hard earned dough. Shit i'll leave N.Z to look for work if the whole country's "freezing works" goes under.

[Headbanger]

Righto, if we can get away from demonizing the government for a minute or two.

That town was probably worse in its heyday 30 years ago, it was a shithole 15 years ago, and its probably better now then it ever was, but its still a shithole. Even the queer shit that was going on when I was there was fucked up.

Do not get to know the locals, Just leave.

That aside, Government policy didn't kill the town, The Freezing works simply built a modern plant, Instead of huge cattle yards covering hundreds of acres and holding paddocks and 5 story high chillers they take em straight off the truck, butcher them,process them, and then stick them straight back on the truck.

Instead of 4 chains doing 800 head a day they had one chain doing 1200.

Instead of 800 people on the payroll, they employed 80.

As harsh as it may seem the business model from 1884 just doesn't cut the mustard any more, Times change, people have to change with the times.

Or sit at home and smoke weed....Their choice.

[rainman]

Easy, the house full of dole bludging islanders who lived across from me

The plural of anecdote is not data.


I can sense a bleeding heart coming to their defence, but i'm not interested.

Hardly a bleeding heart. Perhaps read my diatribe on welfare under the "Don't need a tax cut" thread if you're interested in what I think. Or not.


Shit i'll leave N.Z to look for work if the whole country's "freezing works" goes under.

Well, if you're more interested in bleating about the problem than finding a solution, you won't be missed.


Instead of 800 people on the payroll, they employed 80.

As harsh as it may seem the business model from 1884 just doesn't cut the mustard any more, Times change, people have to change with the times.

And the other 720 get to do what, exactly? Some move, some start new things, sure, but not all of them. The rest give up hope and develop bad habits. The question isn't who is a lazy sod and needs a kicking but what policies we should build to reduce the problem. Kicking is easy (dare I say it, the lazy option) - solving society's ills takes hard work (but is worthwhile). Is the business model from 2010 that much better, if it results in an underclass?

[Headbanger]

And the other 720 get to do what, exactly? Some move, some start new things, sure, but not all of them. The rest give up hope and develop bad habits. The question isn't who is a lazy sod and needs a kicking but what policies we should build to reduce the problem. Kicking is easy (dare I say it, the lazy option) - solving society's ills takes hard work (but is worthwhile). Is the business model from 2010 that much better, if it results in an underclass?

Its up to the other 720 to look after themselves and their families, Do what needs to be done. I'm out of work, whose going to carry me and my family?...oh wait, thats my fucking role.

Is the business model from 2010 much better?

Well, It wasn't 2010 it was 1992, If they had carried on with the old model Affco would have gone bankrupt, No ifs, no buts,no what about our overtime?, we would have had one of the backbones of NZ collapse and it would have fucked shit up bigger then an labour supporter could ever comprehend.

[Indiana_Jones]

Get into semantics if you want, but it's no fucken secret that the majority of those on the dole are lazy and have no intention of getting employment. Not all obviously, and I have no issue with those who are on it for a genuine reason, but iv'e been to enough of the shit-holes with lazy ass oxygen thieves who are thrilled to death about it to know that most have no interest in earing a cent, and will sit there with their hands out for as long as the money comes to them.

I can sense a bleeding heart coming to their defence, but i'm not interested.


The funny thing is that most people I talk to in this country share exactly the same thought, but nothing ever gets done.

Make them apply for 10 jobs minimum a week (or some appropriate number for the area), the moment they don't, cut the dole.

Same again if they refuse a job you offer them

-Indy

[kave]

The funny thing is that most people I talk to in this country share exactly the same thought, but nothing ever gets done.

Make them apply for 10 jobs minimum a week (or some appropriate number for the area), the moment they don't, cut the dole.

Same again if they refuse a job you offer them

-Indy

WINZ will cut the dole if you dont apply for jobs, its not hard for the lazy pricks to get around this though, they just turn up to the interview unwashed and in bare feet and a singlet. They rock up to an interview, ask you to sign their piece of paper that says that they turned up, and then they bugger off.

[firefighter]

Well, if you're more interested in bleating about the problem than finding a solution, you won't be missed.

? Not sure how this popped up from what you quoted of what I wrote, but you took me too literally. Which solution was I to be looking for? I thought i'd given one?

What I was saying is that i'll do whatever I have to do to keep myself employed, and not sit on my arse with my hand out, living amoungst scum, smoking weed all day blaming everyone else for my problems because the one major source of employment has left the dinky little shitbox town I live in. I'm flexible and will do what I have to, to succeed. If I have to move somewhere better than my crappy town to find work, I hardly find a problem with that!

To complain about something that happened generations ago, and using that as an excuse to not have work is bullshit.

Besides, should all these bludging fuckers stop living off the system, there would be more there for those who actually deserve the help.

[Indiana_Jones]

WINZ will cut the dole if you dont apply for jobs, its not hard for the lazy pricks to get around this though, they just turn up to the interview unwashed and in bare feet and a singlet. They rock up to an interview, ask you to sign their piece of paper that says that they turned up, and then they bugger off.

I figured this was the case...

Cut their dole off under rule 303?

-Indy

[firefighter]

WINZ will cut the dole if you dont apply for jobs, its not hard for the lazy pricks to get around this though, they just turn up to the interview unwashed and in bare feet and a singlet. They rock up to an interview, ask you to sign their piece of paper that says that they turned up, and then they bugger off.

Had this happen at my parents company. They employed one of them to teach him a lesson. He refused to work for the day, would'nt do anything he was asked to do. They filmed it all from the office and handed it in to WINZ. Worst thing is I do'nt think it changed anything. He blatantly could'nt be fucked working and asked to be fired at one point.

He probably still gets the dole. Pit of death is the only solution for that shit.

[Wannabiker]

Can we all remember back to the 70's and 80's and remember how many times the freezing workers went on strike at the drop of a hat....It is no wonder freezing companies looked to move to automation as soon as they could. The unions help fuck it for them. (freezing workers and the Cook Straight ferries, which always seemed to go on strike over the school holiday period.)

[blossomsowner]

I have lived in northland for some years and spent a bit of time working in rural communities (Moerewa among them).

Sure moerewa has the appearance of a shit hole but then so do plenty of other places. I had the pleasure of working with a community group in moerewa and it was an eye opener. Most of the people I dealt with were great and really trying to help themselves and their community.
Yes there were some young drop kicks in for a free ride.............but i have not seen a place where this is not the case, and they were outnumbered by the genuine people who are trying really hard to help the community, and to get ahead.

so before you all jump in and judge them all..............these places are getting better but it is a long road to go down.

[Laava]

I agree, I am working at Whatuwhiwhi and there is a strong community spirit because everyone knows everyone etc but they seem friendly and have had no snoops on site, nothing stolen and people have only been friendly.