Two seriously injured in motorcycle crash near Blenheim (23 May)

[rustyrobot]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3729032/Two-injured-in-crash-near-Blenheim

Two people are in a serious condition after the Harley Davidson motorcycle they were on ploughed into the side of a turning vehicle on State Highway 6 near Blenheim this evening.

The 54-year-old male driver was airlifted to Nelson Hospital by the Summit Rescue Helicopter with serious head and chest injuries, while the 45-year-old female pillion passenger was transported to Wairau Hospital by Blenheim St John Ambulance with serious leg injuries.

The crash happened near Okaramio about 2.45pm.

Senior Constable Maurice Horne of Havelock Police said a green car was turning right off SH6 into Norths Rd when the motor cycle, which was overtaking another vehicle travelling towards Blenheim, ``ploughed'' into the right side of the vehicle.

The impact "flipped'' the passengers off the bike, Mr Horne.

The motorbike then collided with a power pole and came to rest in a ditch about 25 metres from the point of impact.

Emergency services tended to the occupants in the ditch about 10m from the bike.

The motorcycle was part of a group of four returning to Blenheim after a day trip to Rai Valley.

Mr Horne said the Serious Crash Investigation unit would investigate. The Renwick and Havelock volunteer fire brigades attended the incident.

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[Stylo]

Damn, Sorry to hear , the male driver was ...driving the Car ?

Or was that meant to read 'Male rider' ?

[FJRider]

Here's the link ...

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/7280240/helicopter-rescues-motorcyclist/

[marty]

Fuck. A work colleague of mine fits the profile of the rider. Can someone please PM me with a name if the they know it. Ta.

[jtzzr]

That`s terrible to hear , surprised it didn`t make the news .I wish them both a speedy recovery.

[Katman]

I wish them both a speedy recovery.

I wish that they learn something from it.

[FJRider]

I wish they learn something from it.

What ??? not to overtake ??? Because if the turning car did not indicate their intention to turn, the motorcyclist was not at fault.

[Katman]

What ??? not to overtake ??? Because if the turning car did not indicate their intention to turn, the motorcyclist was not at fault.

Whether the driver indicated or not there would have been plenty of clues as to their intention.

[Kickaha]

Because if the turning car did not indicate their intention to turn, the motorcyclist was not at fault.

"Pretty big if" and I'm not sure that would much consolation to them even if it is correct.

Being in the right doesn't stop you getting hurt

[Foxzee]

I wish that they learn something from it.

Let us all be thankful that they didn't hit a bridge...to see your trolling face crawl out from under it...

Thoughts are with the fallen riders and their family...

[mashman]

Hit the right side of a car turning right... so the bike came from behind? strange crash.

[rustic101]

Crikey Katman! I think I'll wait until the full facts of the investigation are known before pointing the finger at anyone or apportioning blame.

Irrespective of the reason or cause I sincerely hope rider, passenger and car occupants pull through.

[Katman]

Crikey Katman! I think I'll wait until the full facts of the investigation are known before pointing the finger at anyone or apportioning blame.

Irrespective of the reason or cause I sincerely hope rider, passenger and car occupants pull through.

I'm not apportioning blame at all.

Go read that book of yours again.

[Ronin]

I'm not apportioning blame at all.

Go read that book of yours again.

Unfortunately I have to agree with katman on this point, he is not apportioning blame. He is however being an insensitive prick. Go figure.

[Katman]

Unfortunately I have to agree with katman on this point, he is not apportioning blame. He is however being an insensitive prick. Go figure.

Sorry, I'm all out of 'touchy feely'.

[scumdog]

Hit the right side of a car turning right... so the bike came from behind? strange crash.

Yeah, a bit of a strange one...

[Ronin]

Sorry, I'm all out of 'touchy feely'.

For which small animals throughout the Nation are grateful. How about common decency?

[Foxzee]

Sorry, I'm all out of 'touchy feely'.

That's what you get when you play with yourself too long.....

Stop the wanking

[Katman]

For which small animals throughout the Nation are grateful. How about common decency?

My decency is anything but common.

[Conquiztador]

If you hit a car on the rh side while it is turning right, then I take that the car was going in same direction. Bike passing a car and perhaps the next car in line is doing the turn? No idea, but we might find out.

I hope the rider and pillion will make full recovery.

[Cloggy]

Hit the right side of a car turning right... so the bike came from behind? strange crash.


Yeah, a bit of a strange one...
Perhaps not so strange.
Maybe the motorcyclist was about to overtake two cars, not realising that the front most car was intending to turn right of the main highway. Purely speculation of course. I wasn't there.
But I've had this almost happen to me once, people indicating at the same time as making the move instead of a couple of seconds before.
Poor buggars, all those who were involved, including the car drivers.

[blossomsowner]

I have had a close call in the past overtaking vehicle and finding it do a right turn..........not a nice experience at all.
sure makes you look at things differently when overtaking.

hope they will be ok.

[rustic101]

Just had a look at the crash site on google and there are a couple of scenarios. Had a play with some models in Visio,
However that's what Serious Crash get paid the big bucks for (figure of speech) determine with the full facts. Not my arm chair view of hypothesis.

[AllanB]

There is plenty of weird shit happening out there when you ride. Cars stopped in the middle of a blind corner for a stray sheep - or to take a photo, someone doing a U-turn in the middle of a blind corner, someone turning right in front of you without signaling etc.

Take care on the road and keep alert people.

[CookMySock]

What ??? not to overtake ??? Because if the turning car did not indicate their intention to turn, the motorcyclist was not at fault.Nope. It's quite clearly against the law to overtake across an intersection, and this is why. Never overtake, split, filter etc across an intersection, even if that intersection is just a side-road on your left. You will eventually get bitten.

A lesson also for those turning right - always always always check your right mirror before committing to that turn, in case you get steamrollered from someone passing.

It's just plain inexperience, but I would have thought the old fella knew better than that.

Steve

[scumdog]

Nope. It's quite clearly against the law to overtake across an intersection, and this is why. Never overtake, split, filter etc across an intersection, even if that intersection is just a side-road on your left. You will eventually get bitten.

A lesson also for those turning right - always always always check your right mirror before committing to that turn, in case you get steamrollered from someone passing.

It's just plain inexperience, but I would have thought the old fella knew better than that.

Steve

And if said turning car is suddenly turning right to get to a vineyard, to go up someones drive or to stop at a picnic spot?

How does the motorcyclist prepare for that ya daft bugger..???

[MIXONE]

And if said turning car is suddenly turning right to get to a vineyard, to go up someones drive or to stop at a picnic spot?

How does the motorcyclist prepare for that ya daft bugger..???

By developing Ixion's spidey sense.

[Woodman]

not often i agree with DB, but yeah passing where there is a sideroad or an intersection is something I avoid. Not saying this happened here and I are not gonna lay any blame or fault anywhere, just using the situation to promote discusion.

[Iggy]

Sorry, I'm all out of 'touchy feely'.

Typical Katman..........................you think you know you are so god damn right whenever there is thread about some unfortunate accident involving a biker, you have to be such a cock to criticise the rider at fault or accident was caused by the vechile at fault. No matter how good your theory on how we should ride our bikes. Accidents happen.....get over it man!!!!
One day (god forbid) if you are involve in a accident on your prissy Katanasaurus Rex, some people on here will tell you
...........................I told you so. Why dont you for once show some sort of compassion to the unfortunate biker involved in the accident, instead of preaching your point of view in relation to how we bikers should behave on our bikes.
Motorcycles are not the easiest machines to ride, even if you are as good as Valentino Rossi !!!!
Remember Katman when you spout how good your theory on how we should ride our bike safely.......what goes around comes around . One day..... you might not be so lucky, its called Karma
I rest my case.

[dipshit]

And if said turning car is suddenly turning right to get to a vineyard, to go up someones drive or to stop at a picnic spot?

How does the motorcyclist prepare for that ya daft bugger..???

They usually slow down a bit first.

[Conquiztador]

Typical Katman..........................you think you know you are so god damn right whenever there is thread about some unfortunate accident involving a biker, you have to be such a cock to criticise the rider at fault or accident was caused by the vechile at fault. No matter how good your theory on how we should ride our bikes. Accidents happen.....get over it man!!!!
One day (god forbid) if you are involve in a accident on your prissy Katanasaurus Rex, some people on here will tell you
...........................I told you so. Why dont you for once show some sort of compassion to the unfortunate biker involved in the accident, instead of preaching your point of view in relation to how we bikers should behave on our bikes.
Motorcycles are not the easiest machines to ride, even if you are as good as Valentino Rossi !!!!
Remember Katman when you spout how good your theory on how we should ride our bike safely.......what goes around comes around . One day..... you might not be so lucky, its called Karma
I rest my case.

Easy big fulla. You are giving him a hardon.

[CookMySock]

And if said turning car is suddenly turning right to get to a vineyard, to go up someones drive or to stop at a picnic spot? How does the motorcyclist prepare for that ya daft bugger..???Same way every other motorist does - DON'T PASS THERE. It's not rocket science. It's dangerous and illegal. You're a professional driver scumdog, you are supposed to know this crap.

Too many times I have almost been bitten by this one thing ;

- when overtaking stay very near the centreline - you have the most options on the centreline. DON'T go really wide when passing, coz if you get a turn-right in your path there is jack-all you can do about it. On the centreline you can do nothing and get away with it.

- if you can see a vehicle entrance coming up and the car in front of you has the opportunity to use that entrance then DONT PASS.

- when you are the one doing the turning right into a side road, be ever vigilant of your right mirror.

- when turning right onto the road from a side road, be ever vigilant for the concealed overtaking vehicle.

Steve

[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah.............

Good luck with that staying alive business.

[Iggy]

Good luck with that staying alive business.

Like you care???..........................NOT.

[Iggy]

Easy big fulla. You are giving him a hardon.

That wasnt my intention:sick:

[Katman]

To be honest I'm sitting here stunned.

The overtaking vehicle colliding with the right turning vehicle travelling in the same direction is one of the most common accident scenarios out there.

And you all sit here scratching your heads?

Sometimes I despair.

[CookMySock]

To be honest I'm sitting here stunned.

The overtaking vehicle colliding with the right turning vehicle travelling in the same direction is one of the most common accident scenarios out there.

And you all sit here scratching your heads?

Sometimes I despair.Whut? You overtake things? :scratch: It's dangerous you know!


Steve

[Kickaha]

Why dont you for once show some sort of compassion to the unfortunate biker involved in the accident,.

What about the driver of the car? or doesn't he count because he's not on a bike?

[Iggy]

What about the driver of the car? or doesn't he count because he's not on a bike?

Oops....point taken.....you are right, you got me there.

[mashman]

To be honest I'm sitting here stunned.

The overtaking vehicle colliding with the right turning vehicle travelling in the same direction is one of the most common accident scenarios out there.

And you all sit here scratching your heads?

Sometimes I despair.

I've never seen or heard of anyone experiencing this before, please forgive my utter ignorance (which of course you won't :))... perhaps that should be your focus... showing the factual information on common motorcycle crashes, so that we can make wiser decisions in the light of there, MAYBE, being no brake lights (or broken), no indication (or broken), no slowing of traffic and no other visible signs that the traffic ahead is about to do anything other than keep on in a straight line... hence the decision to overtake... but I do agree more of a description is needed and with 3 other bikes involved i'm sure the truth will out... albeit if it's not the bikers fault you'll likely never hear about the incident again.

[Dave Lobster]

What about the driver of the car? or doesn't he count because he's not on a bike?

He's at fault for not using his mirror before changing his position on the road. Had he used his mirror, he would have seen the motorcyclist.
He didn't use it. He hit him.

[Kickaha]

He's at fault for not using his mirror before changing his position on the road. Had he used his mirror, he would have seen the motorcyclist.
He didn't use it. He hit him.

How do you know that? were you there and did you see the accident? , did you see the car driver not check his mirror? sounds like more bullshit excuses to place the blame on the car driver because we all know motorcyclists can do no wrong

[Dave Lobster]

How do you know that? were you there and did you see the accident? , did you see the car driver not check his mirror? sounds like more bullshit excuses to place the blame on the car driver because we all know motorcyclists can do no wrong

Ok.. let's go with your theory.
Driver checks mirror, sees motorcyclist, turns, knocks motorcyclist off.
That's attempted murder, isn't it?

[Kickaha]

Ok.. let's go with your theory.
Driver checks mirror, sees motorcyclist, turns, knocks motorcyclist off.
That's attempted murder, isn't it?



Senior Constable Maurice Horne of Havelock Police said a green car was turning right off SH6 into Norths Rd when the motor cycle, which was overtaking another vehicle travelling towards Blenheim, ``ploughed'' into the right side of the vehicle.


Driver check mirrors, doesn't see motorcyclist hidden from veiw by following car as he iniates turn motorcyclist wondering why these dickheads in front of him are going so slow pops out from behind following car carrying considerably more speed and slams into him

You could play this game all day, reality is neither of us know all the facts or who is to blame, but passing a car across and intersection? do you really think that is wise?

[Goblin]

The only fact here is they were on a Harley Davidson. There's the problem. :yes:



I do seriously hope they both make a speedy recovery.

[Grubber]

Perhaps not so strange.
Maybe the motorcyclist was about to overtake two cars, not realising that the front most car was intending to turn right of the main highway. Purely speculation of course. I wasn't there.
But I've had this almost happen to me once, people indicating at the same time as making the move instead of a couple of seconds before.
Poor buggars, all those who were involved, including the car drivers.
Have to agree with you on this one. Been in the same situation myself. Was all good though, managed to see the car indicate at the last minute. Have to keep your eyes open for anything.
Mend quickly chaps!

[TimeOut]

[QUOTE=Katman;1129761570]To be honest I'm sitting here stunned.

The overtaking vehicle colliding with the right turning vehicle travelling in the same direction is one of the most common accident scenarios out there.

And you all sit here scratching your heads?

Yep, came close to the same thing yesterday, I was lucky some of Ixion's spidey had rubbed off.

Came up on a Sunday driver slowing down, no indication of what he's going to do (knew he was going to do something), then he swings right then puts blinker on then he looks in his mirror.

The look on his face was priceless, double headlights about 3m from him:gob:

[sinfull]

The only fact here is they were on a Harley Davidson. There's the problem. :yes:



I do seriously hope they both make a speedy recovery.Oh stop it !!!

The later models have brakes that might stop it in time:shutup:

Agree with KM when he says he's stunned how some on here aint seen this before !

Most nose to tails are at a points such as where this happened, could easily see how a (lead?) bike with (slow brakes?) could plough into the side a car (who knows he could cause nose to tails by stopping ?) wanting to get across in a hurry !
A lot can happen in the time a car driver looks in his rear vision and sees he has traffic up his arse, then goes for it at a point where there is a break in the oncoming traffic, A bike could even have come up on the slower cars and seen the same break in oncoming traffic and thought now is a good time to pop out and get past !

Easily see how this could happen ? No ! I have had this happen ! I was lucky !

Feel sorry for the rider and his lady, the driver of the car and those who feel they should pin blame before the facts come out !

[CookMySock]

Yep, came close to the same thing yesterday, I was lucky some of Ixion's spidey had rubbed off.

Came up on a Sunday driver slowing down, no indication of what he's going to do (knew he was going to do something), then he swings right then puts blinker on then he looks in his mirror.

The look on his face was priceless, double headlights about 3m from him:gob:Thats not some sixth-sense spidey mind-reading mumbo jumbo bee-ess, thats plain experience and roadcraft on display there. You should rightly give yourself a pat on the back - you probably saved a life or two there, or at least a few broken legs, probably yours.

I have had a couple of vehicles crackle up behind me at massive speed differential and overtake while I was indicating right. One of them at least would have killed everyone in my car had I taken my legal right-of-way.

These days I have less issues like this, as I seem to be able to wake people up beforehand. How I actually do that I don't know - maybe because I weave around like a demented idiot and everyone's scared of me! :lol:

Steve

[Goblin]

I'm a demented idiot! :lol:

SteveOh you got that right!

[Katman]

Oh you got that right!

Well, the first part anyway.

[CookMySock]

LOL !


Steve

[turtleman]

...
I have had a couple of vehicles crackle up behind me at massive speed differential and overtake while I was indicating right. One of them at least would have killed everyone in my car had I taken my legal right-of-way.



I've had this as well - indicated to turn right into my (semi) rural driveway. Stopped on the median strip to wait for oncoming traffic. Checked mirror before turning, just in time to see 2 Harleys overtaking traffic on the median strip at 100K + (80kmh limit area). Clenched sphincter waiting for the impact - one went to my left, and the other to my right, over the double yellow line. If I hadn't checked mirror, we'd both (or all three) be toast ! This was coming home from the bikeoi ride.

I've also been in the other scenario, being the overtaker. Rural road, farm truck being overtaken who turned right with no indicator, into a concealed entrance. Bike written off, rider bruised badly but no broken bones. That was over 20 years ago, but I am very wary of that scenario now. In fact I think it was because of this that I avoided the dickheads in the situation above.

[sinfull]

I weave around like a demented idiot and everyone's scared of me!

Steve
"I agree with dangerousbastard, no point in repeating what he said."
"read what Steve says. He's right."
"What Steve said pretty much summed it up."

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hit the right side of a car turning right... so the bike came from behind? strange crash.

I thought the same. speculation: car pulls out right indicator blinking, bike pulls out behind car thinking car is overtaking then car brakes come on because he is STOPPING TO TURN and bike nails him in the right side door.

I have in fact nearly done exactly that myself once, luckily I was not going that fast and realised what was happening, so I could pull in. Gave me the shits though.

[Brian d marge]

Had a quick look , but here some STUNNING reporting from the media way to go guys ( even if it is true !)

Stephen

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3731454/Mid-life-crises-costing-bikers-lives

[CookMySock]

I've had this as well - indicated to turn right into my (semi) rural driveway. Stopped on the median strip to wait for oncoming traffic. Checked mirror before turning, just in time to see 2 Harleys overtaking traffic on the median strip at 100K + (80kmh limit area). Clenched sphincter waiting for the impact - one went to my left, and the other to my right, over the double yellow line. If I hadn't checked mirror, we'd both (or all three) be toast ! This was coming home from the bikeoi ride.

I've also been in the other scenario, being the overtaker. Rural road, farm truck being overtaken who turned right with no indicator, into a concealed entrance. Bike written off, rider bruised badly but no broken bones. That was over 20 years ago, but I am very wary of that scenario now. In fact I think it was because of this that I avoided the dickheads in the situation above.Good save! I bet they had some serious undie to empty after that. I've never had to yell "brace for impact!" though. :shit:

I'll be printing this excellent example out to show my learner-rider kids.

Steve

[scumdog]

Same way every other motorist does - DON'T PASS THERE. It's not rocket science. It's dangerous and illegal. You're a professional driver scumdog, you are supposed to know this crap.

Steve

I DO know 'this crap' mostly.

But you can't tell me that nobody should ever be caught out by the front car suddenly veering to it's right without warning

And you can't tell me you go 'uh-oh' and hold back from passing because the car two on front of you is going past a small lane or driveway (which are obscured at times) or fishing spot, scenic stop, fruit-stall or is plain old overseas driver wanting to pull over.

Or maybe the guy was last in line to pass the car and it thought all the bikes were gone
Or was tired
Or distracted by his pillion.

There are endless scenarios that could lead to this type of crash, my 'professional driver' experience tells me that, Lord that you never get caught out in any way like that...

[Elysium]

There is plenty of weird shit happening out there when you ride. Cars stopped in the middle of a blind corner for a stray sheep - or to take a photo, someone doing a U-turn in the middle of a blind corner, someone turning right in front of you without signaling etc.

Take care on the road and keep alert people.

You forgot wanker road crew not sign posting after patching on a blind corner.

At least my bike with its loud exhaust makes the cager in front suddenly look in their rear view mirror and identify where that bloody noise is comming from, or the vibrations.

[TimeOut]

The worst I've had is while passing on a long straight, car comes out of a drive way looks right then turns left straight at me.
We all squeezed passed three abreast

[doc]

I've been in the same situation before. Rural road I know well, on way home from work. Long straight about 10 cars going about 70k. Plenty of time on bike to get passed and in front. Indicate down a cog and give it the berries. Two other cars in front decide to do the same. Faark before we can all get passed vehicle in front a people mover full of Islanders turns right at a paddock with no entrance (fence wires had been dropped so they could get into paddock to bag onions ). I ended up in the middle of two passing cars trying to avoid all this. Of course this stuff happens at times. At work you have to report it as a "Near miss".

But this could be nothing like what happened. We could wait till there are more facts aye ! :blink:

[Brian d marge]

Non of this stuff has happened to me ( well once when I was 15 and the silly indicated right and turned left , )

Bad driving its a pain pure and simple

Stephen

[Kickaha]

Bad driving its a pain pure and simple


Driving or riding? or do you automatically blame the car as well?

[Brian d marge]

Driving or riding? or do you automatically blame the car as well?

of course!!!

they shouldnt be on the road in the first place , slowing down, hogging the road , and polluting the air

Stephen

[_Shrek_]

Whether the driver indicated or not there would have been plenty of clues as to their intention.

actually Km have to disagree here, Mrs S & I were coming back from Jacksons Bay a few weeks back coming up to a right hander when the car in front decided to stop & then turned with out indercating where he was going I thought he was going left into a track so started to overtake (options runing out fast) he then turns right :shit: dam near stuck to drivers door the big lock up he heard us & put his foot down it's the only reson we didn't hit him & all because he never looked in his mirror or indercated