Peter Bethune's trial starts Thursday 27 May [Archive]

firefighter

24th May 2010, 12:44

mmmm. One ponders how many years of his life he has thrown away, and will never, ever get back, and the only thing that it has achieved is nothing.

People are more interested in him being freed, than on the state of the whaling going on at the mo. All the attentions on him, and not on what he's fighting for.

He actually screwed his own cause for a little while....and if he does go away, then he is no-longer of any use, and cannot assist in stopping any more whaling.....how stupid.

Also, as an after thought, if he gets away with it, people will be thinking that he got away with a crime, and will associate that with anti-whaling. He's done a lot of bad actually.

Crasherfromwayback

24th May 2010, 12:46

mmmm. One ponders how many years of his life he has thrown away, and will never, ever get back, and the only thing that it has achieved is nothing.
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While his long suffering wife is holding down two jobs to feed his daughters etc. He's a knob, and was bloody lucky the Japs didn't simply turf him overboard!

firefighter

24th May 2010, 12:51

While his long suffering wife is holding down two jobs to feed his daughters etc. He's a knob, and was bloody lucky the Japs didn't simply turf him overboard!

Yep, what ever happened to putting your family first?! He's more concerned with big fish than the welfare of his children.

He actually went down a few more notches now I know he has a family at home.......what an arsehole.

Crasherfromwayback

24th May 2010, 12:56

Yep, what ever happened to putting your family first?! He's more concerned with big fish than the welfare of his children.

He actually went down a few more notches now I know he has a family at home.......what an arsehole.

They've seen him for no more than six months over the last five years!

Tank

24th May 2010, 12:59

He actually went down a few more notches now I know he has a family at home.......what an arsehole.

From stuff:

"Meanwhile, his wife Sharyn revealed financial and personal pressures of her husband's long absences have caused the couple to separate."

nodrog

24th May 2010, 13:01

..... and was bloody lucky the Japs didn't simply turf him overboard!

so the whales could eat him, oh the irony.

hes a tool, let the japs sort him out.

Tank

24th May 2010, 13:02

Actually - I hope that it goes further and that not just Pete is held accountable - but the entire group of eco terrorist calling themselves seasheppard

nodrog

24th May 2010, 13:05

Actually - I hope that it goes further and that not just Pete is held accountable - but the entire group of eco terrorist calling themselves seasheppard

if you painted them with shoe polish, it would be hard to tell the difference between them and those somalian pirates.

Max Preload

24th May 2010, 23:32

Be nice to get him home to his family.

He doesn't have one now - she finally got sick of his childish bullshit.

rainman

25th May 2010, 00:00

He doesn't have one now - she finally got sick of his childish bullshit.

Well, that's sad.

Max Preload

25th May 2010, 00:24

Well, that's sad.

I bet she doesn't think so.

Brian d marge

25th May 2010, 01:12

Thats a quick trial , who did he blow in Jail ( must have been a few)

Stephen

rainman

25th May 2010, 08:37

I bet she doesn't think so.

I think you'll find grown-ups do find things like this to be sad, almost regardless of the circumstances.

Thats a quick trial , who did he blow in Jail ( must have been a few)

Thought it was on Thursday? Or do you mean he's getting to trial soon after inarceration?

Tank

25th May 2010, 09:26

From Stuff:

Anti-whaling activist Pete Bethune, imprisoned in Japan, believes he will be found guilty and fears a lengthy jail sentence.

New Zealander Bethune, 42, is awaiting a trial on charges of trespass, causing injury, vandalism, carrying a knife and obstructing commercial activities.

He was arrested in February when he boarded Japanese whaling vessel Shonan Maru 2 in the Southern Ocean, hoping to make a citizen's arrest of its captain for allegedly ramming and sinking his ship.

The Ady Gil sank after colliding with the Shonan Maru 2 the previous month while it was harassing the whaling fleet.

Bethune, who faces up to 15 years in jail, believes there is a 95 per cent chance he will be convicted at his trial, which starts on Thursday, and worries he will be sentenced to a long prison term, the Sunday Star-Times reported.

Speaking from the Tokyo Detention Centre, he said authorities have treated him like a terrorist or a "psychopathic killer."

Bethune had been taken back to the Shonan Maru to re-enact the boarding, accompanied by a security detail of more than 100 people, he said.

"I had a hood over me, like I'm a psychopathic killer. It was bizarre."

Bethune holds little hope of a suspended sentence and deportation to New Zealand.

.... conts on stuff.co.nz

So hes not holding out much hope then huh?

Im guessing that with 100 security staff for a quick outing they are worried that the sea sheppard people may have tried something - that cannot be a normal level of security.

I reckon he might be right - I wouldn't be holding out for a good outcome. Im also guessing he should have got off the boat when given a chance:

"Mr McCully said .... My understanding is that he went on board to make a point, knowing that there would be some consequences that flowed from it, and that he is not only not seeking to be removed, but is refusing to be removed at this stage."

Oh well - thats what happens when you keep poking a bear.

Mully

25th May 2010, 10:59

He'll be in jail for a while, I suspect.

It'd be a big loss of face for the Japanese to suspend the sentence.

Swoop

25th May 2010, 11:12

I chuckle at the charge of "having a knife".
What self respecting sailor would not have one in a pocket at all times?

Tank

25th May 2010, 11:18

I chuckle at the charge of "having a knife".
What self respecting sailor would not have one in a pocket at all times?

Indeed - but its a matter of using your head.

Having a knife while out sailing - a good idea.

Having a knife while committing a crime, illegally boarding a foreign boat in international waters - not so smart.

Bald Eagle

25th May 2010, 11:20

Indeed - but its a matter of using your head.

Having a knife while out sailing - a good idea.

Having a knife while committing a crime, illegally boarding a foreign boat in international waters - not so smart.

illegally boarding a foreign boat in international waters - not so smart - indeed that's the real issue

Swoop

25th May 2010, 11:22

its a matter of using your head.

Having a knife while committing a crime, illegally boarding a foreign boat in international waters (and holding an invoice) - not so smart.
Well, it is asking a lot of him to think about all that at once.

Tank

25th May 2010, 11:25

Well, it is asking a lot of him to think about all that at once.

Meh - hes got a bit of spare time to think about it at the moment. Hind-sites a bitch

Brian d marge

25th May 2010, 12:12

I think you'll find grown-ups do find things like this to be sad, almost regardless of the circumstances.

Thought it was on Thursday? Or do you mean he's getting to trial soon after incarceration?

Soon after incarceration ,,, it took 4 months just for a speeding ticket to get processed

Stephen

SMOKEU

25th May 2010, 13:36

If people should stop whaling then they should also stop eating cows, pigs, chickens, sheep etc. A whale is just another animal after all.

Tank

25th May 2010, 13:40

If people should stop whaling then they should also stop eating cows, pigs, chickens, sheep etc. A whale is just another animal after all.

Its because they are cute.

You never see them protesting about killing cockroaches do you?

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 13:49

This just has FAIL written all over it.

SMOKEU

25th May 2010, 14:04

You never see them protesting about killing cockroaches do you?

It's only a matter of time...

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 14:36

10characters

Bald Eagle

25th May 2010, 14:39

:yes:Now thats magic

onearmedbandit

25th May 2010, 14:41

It's raining, my radiator is awaiting repair, I've got time to kill.

Max Preload

25th May 2010, 14:42

I think you'll find grown-ups do find things like this to be sad, almost regardless of the circumstances.

I suspect relief at being rid of the fuckwit would be the dominant emotion.

davereid

25th May 2010, 18:37

I suspect relief at being rid of the fuckwit would be the dominant emotion.

This may represent a "turning of the corner" for the Japanese.

They have tolerated the harassment of Sea Shepard without serious retaliation. Unlike the Norwegians who are un-harassed by Sea Shepard as I understand they have declared them terrorists and authorised the Navy to sink them on sight.

Increasingly, the Japanese appear prepared to use force to defend themselves.

Next years Sea Shepard protest may end up with the ship, and all the crew in Japanese custody, sunk or some of each.

Pixie

26th May 2010, 09:27

You're just stirring, aren't ya? :yes:

Of course I hope it's a slap on the wrist. Be nice to get him home to his family. There was something in the paper to that effect the other day, saying it might be a suspended sentence. Not sure if that's just wishful thinking though.

If he is released, I'll pop around his place and take him some congratulatory beers.

I hope he get 15 years sharing a cell with a gay sumo wrestler called Bubba San

rainman

26th May 2010, 10:05

I hope he get 15 years sharing a cell with a gay sumo wrestler called Bubba San

I understand you don't approve of what he has done, and think it is illegal. (It may even be, of course).
I don't understand, though, why anyone would get so warmed up over this issue that they would wish 15 years of anal rape on a fellow human being, who I assume they don't even know. That isn't a very enlightened perspective, to say the least.

Irrational hate (of greenies, or whoever) does you no benefit.

davereid

26th May 2010, 10:12

I understand you don't approve of what he has done, and think it is illegal. (It may even be, of course).
I don't understand, though, why anyone would get so warmed up over this issue that they would wish 15 years of anal rape on a fellow human being, who I assume they don't even know. That isn't a very enlightened perspective, to say the least. Irrational hate (of greenies, or whoever) does you no benefit.

So true. It would seem he has broken the law, if the Japanese court so decides he will be sent to prison. But prison should be the punishment. Not rape, torture or any other types of abuse.

He may end up being used to set an example. That also in my opinion is not reasonable. He should be punished only for his crime, not used for political gain. Sadly I think that the Japanese public are calling for blood, they want to say to Sea Shepard "its over" and Mr Bethune will be the one who pays.

onearmedbandit

26th May 2010, 10:26

Ha, tbh most of the Japanese public wouldn't even know who he is. Most Japanese I've met haven't even eaten whale, those that have didn't think much of it. It is simply a pride issue for the Japanese, they don't want to lose face by being told what they can and can't do.

Tank

26th May 2010, 10:40

I understand you don't approve of what he has done, and think it is illegal. (It may even be, of course).
I don't understand, though, why anyone would get so warmed up over this issue that they would wish 15 years of anal rape on a fellow human being, who I assume they don't even know. That isn't a very enlightened perspective, to say the least.

Irrational hate (of greenies, or whoever) does you no benefit.

Its called humour (albeit it dark). I dont think anyone actually wishes 15 years rape on the guy. Same as when people use the term "burn him" in other post - its not actually supporting hunting the person down and setting them alight.

But hey - you gotta do something to fill the time - and he is single now - so its not even cheating.

nodrog

26th May 2010, 10:58

.... Same as when people use the term "burn him" in other post - its not actually supporting hunting the person down and setting them alight......

oh, oops!!!

oldrider

26th May 2010, 11:05

I understand you don't approve of what he has done, and think it is illegal. (It may even be, of course).
I don't understand, though, why anyone would get so warmed up over this issue that they would wish 15 years of anal rape on a fellow human being, who I assume they don't even know. That isn't a very enlightened perspective, to say the least.

Irrational hate (of greenies, or whoever) does you no benefit.

Peter Bethune walked the moral high road, gambled and lost. (well so far anyway)

Albert Einstein said, the difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has it's limits!

Perhaps at the conclusion of this saga, Peter will know to which camp he really belongs. :mellow:

rainman

26th May 2010, 14:37

Peter Bethune walked the moral high road, gambled and lost. (well so far anyway)

Albert Einstein said, the difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has it's limits!

Perhaps at the conclusion of this saga, Peter will know to which camp he really belongs. :mellow:

Well put, bling to you...

Its called humour (albeit it dark).

I think humour actually has to be funny, though.

hellokitty

26th May 2010, 15:14

I feel sorry for his wife and kids, I am not friends with them but see them every few weeks through work business and they are feeling the strain. It has put a finish to his marriage.
I am not saying I support him or don't support him, but maybe he should have thought about the effect he was having on his family.
If this was my husband, I would be devastated and bloody angry with him.

Mully

26th May 2010, 16:25

I think humour actually has to be funny, though.

Welcome to KB, BTW - you're clearly new here.

Tank

26th May 2010, 16:29

I think humour actually has to be funny, though.

It was - just because you didnt find it amusing doesn't mean that others do not.

Wannabiker

26th May 2010, 20:17

I see on the 6 o'clock news his defence team are trying to do a deal with the prosecution. He's not looking so fucking clever now is he.

Tank

26th May 2010, 21:38

I see on the 6 o'clock news his defence team are trying to do a deal with the prosecution. He's not looking so fucking clever now is he.

Apparently he is only defending one charge

Brian d marge

27th May 2010, 01:12

Tank

27th May 2010, 09:26

snip "Pete's got to be humble, he's got to be apologetic, Pete will find that hard if he believes that he's in the right," she said. snip

she doesnt know how right she is , and how important that is

Stephen

One hope that the Japs see any humbleness for exactly what it is - bullshit. PB and the SS have been doing this for years - any humbleness now is just a act to get out of jail. I hope they look at the record of SS and PB's actions to see that they / he are not sorry at all and get the 15 years they are looking for.

Consequences for actions people - sick of arseholes crying in the dock and getting off with a wet bus ticket.

onearmedbandit

27th May 2010, 09:38

One hope that the Japs see any humbleness for exactly what it is - bullshit. PB and the SS have been doing this for years - any humbleness now is just a act to get out of jail. I hope they look at the record of SS and PB's actions to see that they / he are not sorry at all and get the 15 years they are looking for.

Consequences for actions people - sick of arseholes crying in the dock and getting off with a wet bus ticket.

Your honour, I would rike to plesent the forrowing ebidence that show's Mr Bethune's 'humbreness'. That is arl your honour, the plosecution lests it's case.

http://online.wsj.com/media/0128pod04.jpg

Tank

27th May 2010, 09:58

Brilliant pic - they should have billboards outside the courthouse.

Pixie

27th May 2010, 10:00

spacemonkey

27th May 2010, 10:47

Your honour, I would rike to plesent the forrowing ebidence that show's Mr Bethune's 'humbreness'. That is arl your honour, the plosecution lests it's case.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Awesome!
If I could rep you more than once for that pic I would. :D

onearmedbandit

27th May 2010, 10:58

And after the court case....

Brian d marge

27th May 2010, 13:29

Saying sorry here is VERY important , but its a different sorry to the western one , In the west its sorry I fked up , here its Sorry for causing you trouble ( Sorry IS VERY important , even if it just saying) I could rock at five in the morning after being with my wifes best mate Pissed as a fart ,,,, that would be fine , but if i miss the important word , sorry , I am dead man walking
and ( famous last words here ) the Judge doesn't understand hippies either

Stephen

Tank

27th May 2010, 13:50

Saying sorry here is VERY important

Would he be best to say in in a faux (but somewhat comical) Jap accent ? Im sorlly .

onearmedbandit

27th May 2010, 14:00

Would he be best to say in in a faux (but somewhat comical) Jap accent ? Im sorlly .

Only, and this is very important, if he at the same time pulls his eyes.

Swoop

27th May 2010, 14:05

Your honour, I would rike to plesent the forrowing ebidence that show's Mr Bethune's 'humbreness'. That is arl your honour, the plosecution lests it's case.
Is that a teak capping that he is leaning on?
Would have thought the greenies frown on that sort of stuff on their boat.

Tank

27th May 2010, 14:52

From Herald ......

"New Zealand anti-whaling activist Peter Bethune has pleaded guilty in a Tokyo court to four charges, including trespassing and destruction of property, over his alleged attacks on a Japanese whaling vessel.

The Sea Shepherd activist admitted in court today that he boarded the Shonan Maru 2 in Antarctic seas and pleaded guilty to two other criminal counts - illegal possession of a knife and obstruction of business - but said he believed he had "good reason to do so." "

Not looking good for the humbling apologies.

FlangMasterJ

27th May 2010, 15:18

Looks like he'll be eating flied lice.

onearmedbandit

27th May 2010, 16:30

Looks like he'll be eating flied lice.

Actually that isn't a typical way rice is served in Japan. Most often it's just plain boiled, but if you're quick enough you can grab some seaweed flavoured sprinkles from the kids supply, makes it very oishi!

Mully

27th May 2010, 18:04

- but said he believed he had "good reason to do so"

Maybe he looked at the defence that the hippies used for deflating the spy globes.......

Not sure the Japanese will go for that though....

Brian d marge

27th May 2010, 18:17

step one

Bow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA2WElLWsbI this is a station guard , who is not in deep doo doo

Step two Say " I velly solly for my aglesion "

Step three wait 208889

Stephen

Max Preload

27th May 2010, 23:12

Is that a teak capping that he is leaning on?
Would have thought the greenies frown on that sort of stuff on their boat.

More importantly is steel for a hull 'renewable'? Did they have to mine the ore? Should the whole vessel not be constructed of entirely renewable resources? Like, say, grass?

Pixie

28th May 2010, 08:13

Only, and this is very important, if he at the same time pulls his eyes.

And wears goofy false teeth

What I don't understand,is why the Sea Shithole people,with the courage of their convictions, haven't gone to the court house to support Buphoon?
They are quick to denigrate Australia and New Zealand for not supporting the twat.

I wonder how Buphoon is supporting the family of the fisherman he killed.

Mully

28th May 2010, 10:05

What I don't understand,is why the Sea Shithole people,with the courage of their convictions, haven't gone to the court house to support Buphoon?
They are quick to denigrate Australia and New Zealand for not supporting the twat.

I wondered that too - but then I figured they'd probably all be subject to arrest if they turned up.

That, or they're little pussys when they don't have a ship to ram people with.

Brian d marge

28th May 2010, 13:14

Tank

28th May 2010, 13:26

Dont be touching our whales ,
Snip from stuff

Around 20 Japanese protesters, watched over by police, staged a noisy rally and waved signs saying "Hang terrorist Peter Bethune!" and "Destroy Caucasian discrimination against Japanese!"

Stephen

Judge was seen giving them a thumbs up and wearing a "save the whales : yeah right" t-shirt. Petes lawyer said he still believes he will receive a fair trial.

avgas

28th May 2010, 14:22

If people should stop whaling then they should also stop eating cows, pigs, chickens, sheep etc. A whale is just another animal after all.
Been to a whale farm lately.
How about eating people. They are animals. Fuck they probably taste better than something covered in 4 foot of fat.

avgas

28th May 2010, 14:24

"Destroy Caucasian discrimination against Japanese!"
How quaint, English signs in Japan.

onearmedbandit

28th May 2010, 14:40

Probably because they know there will be international media there. Quite smart actually. No sense in preaching to the choir.

Tank

28th May 2010, 14:59

How quaint, English signs in Japan.

how long until they are on engrish.com

Tank

28th May 2010, 14:59

How quaint, English signs in Japan.

how long until they are on engrish.com

imdying

28th May 2010, 15:16

Ahahahah, the Aussies are taking Japan to the world court... great timing, that should definitely help his court case... I'm sure they'll be happy to just slap him on the wrists now.

onearmedbandit

28th May 2010, 16:02

Oh this is not going to go well now.

Tank

28th May 2010, 16:11

Oh this is not going to go well now.

One wonders about the aussies timing. I bet there are a couple of them pissing themselves laughing at the moment. "Lets pretend to help the greenies and see if we can get that PB twat 20 years"

Wannabiker

28th May 2010, 18:23

It never rains....but pours.......

spacemonkey

28th May 2010, 23:57

Man I bet he's REALLY wishing he took up that offer to transfer him back to the SS ship now..... Oh well, stupid is as stupid does.

willytheekid

29th May 2010, 00:19

"Destroy Caucasian discrimination against Japanese!"
...really? (Bring it!!):2guns:
How about all the illegal fishing in NZ waters (ask ANY sea capnt), and the destruction of the Blue fin tuna (google it!) and the mass killings of protected dolphins and whales in the name of "science"?
Should we "Destroy the Japanese for Discrimination against protected species" -tiger balls anyone?, what about some rhino horn for ya man hood (gettin the point?)
This court case is a joke! from a nation of self centered, antiquated, ecological terrorist's who think the sea is a never ending source of seafood chowder.
-Its also why I buy & ride european :shifty:

PS: for the record...Im not racist or anything like that...I hate everyone equally!

davereid

29th May 2010, 08:58

....the Aussies are taking Japan to the world court... great timing, that should definitely help his court case...

Yeah, what did he do to deserve Aussie help lol... hope like hell they never support me!

Woodman

29th May 2010, 17:09

Tank

29th May 2010, 17:15

Bout time some eco terrorists started getting nasty

Started getting nasty? They gave been nasty for years - go to their homepage and see how many ships they brag about sinking. Hell they have even bombed a ship in port (not unlike the fate of the Rainbow warrior) - but hey as long as they kill someone believing in something its all OK? I guess you supported the french also - after all they believed in what they were doing.

There are many ways of making a point - he chose a bad one - he pays.

Woodman

29th May 2010, 17:22

Started getting nasty? They gave been nasty for years - go to their homepage and see how many ships they brag about sinking. Hell they have even bombed a ship in port (not unlike the fate of the Rainbow warrior) - but hey as long as they kill someone believing in something its all OK? I guess you supported the french also - after all they believed in what they were doing.

There are many ways of making a point - he chose a bad one - he pays.

No I didn't support the French cos they were being protested against for testing nukes in the pacific, and Greenpeace were the greenies (for want of a better name). Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.

JimO

29th May 2010, 17:25

fcuken aye..... The guy was standing up for something he believed in. Good on him in my eyes. Why all the angst against him and so called Greenies?? at least they are doing something to stop the place turning to shit.

Bout time some eco terrorists started getting nasty

you play with the big boys you get hurt

slofox

29th May 2010, 17:26

Yeah, what did he do to deserve Aussie help lol... hope like hell they never support me!

With friends like that, who needs...etc

Jonno.

29th May 2010, 22:41

No I didn't support the French cos they were being protested against for testing nukes in the pacific, and Greenpeace were the greenies (for want of a better name). Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.

It's exactly the same. Greenies ram ships and it's fair game and then they get rammed (aka pull infront of a ship 10x their size) and it's tears for Africa.

firefighter

29th May 2010, 23:43

Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted.

Pfffft. Saving fish is the least of our worries.

http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/martaruco/pollution%20-%20china%20digital%20times.jpg

http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/20091020luguang10.jpg

http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/20091020luguang16.jpg

http://static.causecast.org/e6abfa9f0c9d2ae5da1c37512332425a634bd43c/image.jpg

http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sovietpollution002.jpg

http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/sovietpollution003.jpg

Yep, whales are the last of our worries......(I do'nt support whaling)

That's the reason I wo'nt ever care about my carbon footprint, because in the end, with shit like this going on, it does'nt really fucken matter what I do.

I recycle where I can, and dispose of chemicals etc properly, but that's about my limit. No battery powered cars for me. (while I have a choice) Becuase in the end, China, U.S.A, India, Russia etc will kill us all anyway.

Woodman

30th May 2010, 08:48

Pfffft. Saving fish is the least of our worries.

Yep, whales are the last of our worries......(I do'nt support whaling)

That's the reason I wo'nt ever care about my carbon footprint, because in the end, with shit like this going on, it does'nt really fucken matter what I do.

I recycle where I can, and dispose of chemicals etc properly, but that's about my limit. No battery powered cars for me. (while I have a choice) Becuase in the end, China, U.S.A, India, Russia etc will kill us all anyway.

Totallly agree with you, bt there was a study released recently that proved that saving the planets ecological resources will give the biggest economic benefits.
I think saving the planet would be probarbly the best reason to have a war so far. Religion, land and oil based wars are getting a bit old really

OOPs I think I just accidentally deducted reputation from you. Was supposed to add.

Pixie

30th May 2010, 09:01

Are you really that blind that you can't see that action needs to be taken to stop the planet getting rooted. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.
Fuckin greenies are always bleating about saving the planet.
The planet ain't going nowhere.
If colliding with something the size of Mars didn't destroy it in the early days,do you think a little messiness on the part of a particular transient biological infestation is going to do it?

shrub

30th May 2010, 10:29

shrub

30th May 2010, 10:34

Max Preload

30th May 2010, 12:07

shrub

30th May 2010, 12:17

Drug dealers believe in, well, drugs. That doesn't mean I should respect them if they go to jail for dealing them, does it?

I think your analogy is flawed in that drug dealers aren't engaged in actions that they believe are of benefit to the world. A drug dealer is solely interested in financial benefits and has no regard for the law in the pursuit of that money (much like a Japanese whaler); so a drug dealer doesn't so much believe in drugs as in profit.

On the other hand, Pete Bethune is a courageous New Zealander who is standing up to the Japanese whaling fleets that are happily flouting international law in order to supply wealthy Japanese with whale meat. He has no financial gain beyond no doubt getting supplied with his material needs. But courage is no longer a politically correct behaviour in the modern world, especially when that courage dares to challenge the hegemony of global big business.

I quote WB Yeats:
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity

imdying

30th May 2010, 15:00

Surely you can respect and even admire a man who is willing to go to jail for what he believes in?No, you've mistaken stupidity for having balls. He's fucked himself to achieve nothing. He's rooted his life for a little headline time. Awesome. Now if he'd sunk that boat and killed all on board, you know, actually achieved something of tangible worth, now that I could respect.

shrub

30th May 2010, 15:11

No, you've mistaken stupidity for having balls. He's fucked himself to achieve nothing. He's rooted his life for a little headline time. Awesome. Now if he'd sunk that boat and killed all on board, you know, actually achieved something of tangible worth, now that I could respect.

Courage is not dependent on wisdom. Personally I think it was a foolhardy act and was always going to be futile, but it was an act of courage and integrity.

In modern NZ courage is demonstrated as machismo posturing and virulent attacks on "political correctness" (and tax), ignorance and illiteracy are seen as attributes to aspire to, and recognising that the environment is important is seen as weak; so a man who placed himself in very real danger to speak out against the behaviours of a foreign government and who was willing to risk his life for an endangered species is inevitably seen as being a fool.

The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place.

Max Preload

30th May 2010, 15:36

I think your analogy is flawed in that drug dealers aren't engaged in actions that they believe are of benefit to the world. A drug dealer is solely interested in financial benefits and has no regard for the law in the pursuit of that money (much like a Japanese whaler); so a drug dealer doesn't so much believe in drugs as in profit.

The only difference between Buffoon and a drug dealer is Buffoon wants notoriety, the drug dealer wants money. Neither of their actions are of benefit to the world.

On the other hand, Pete Bethune is a courageous New Zealander who is standing up to the Japanese whaling fleets that are happily flouting international law in order to supply wealthy Japanese with whale meat. He has no financial gain beyond no doubt getting supplied with his material needs. But courage is no longer a politically correct behaviour in the modern world, especially when that courage dares to challenge the hegemony of global big business.

I don't think he's courageous - I think he's a self-serving cock.

What laws are the Japanese breaking? The answer is none. Where's your proof that they're doing anything just to supply the 'wealthy' with whale meat? Most importantly, when will the anti-whaling fools stop spouting such total bullshit as fact?

What's not PC is saying there's nothing wrong with whaling.

shrub

30th May 2010, 15:45

The only difference between Buffoon and a drug dealer is Buffoon wants notoriety, the drug dealer wants money. Neither of their actions are of benefit to the world.

I don't think he's courageous - I think he's a self-serving cock.

What laws are the Japanese breaking? The answer is none. Where's your proof that they're doing anything just to supply the 'wealthy' with whale meat? Most importantly, when will the anti-whaling fools stop spouting such total bullshit as fact?

What's not PC is saying there's nothing wrong with whaling.

Thank you. Unwittingly you have shown exactly what I meant in my last post: "The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place".

JimO

30th May 2010, 17:07

if he is prepared to go to prison for his ideals i hope he gets 20 years and that bosscunt from sea shithead should be locked up with him as far as the japs are concerned he is a terrorist lucky for him it aint the chinese he is fucking with

JimO

30th May 2010, 17:11

Thank you. Unwittingly you have shown exactly what I meant in my last post: "The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place".

i think you give him to much credit, bethune is a knob who murdered a native fisherman who was trying to feed his family, looks like karma has caught up with him

shrub

30th May 2010, 17:30

i think you give him to much credit, bethune is a knob who murdered a native fisherman who was trying to feed his family, looks like karma has caught up with him

I seem to have struck the ignorant tard jackpot today; thank you for helping confirm my hypothesis. I won't waste too much time swatting you, but Bethune was downstairs sleeping when the Earthrace, with the ships engineer at the helm, struck a small unlit fishing boat in a major shipping channel. Hard to call that murder really, probably more a case of Darwinism in action.

Woodman

30th May 2010, 18:03

JimO

30th May 2010, 18:42

I seem to have struck the ignorant tard jackpot today; thank you for helping confirm my hypothesis. I won't waste too much time swatting you, but Bethune was downstairs sleeping when the Earthrace, with the ships engineer at the helm, struck a small unlit fishing boat in a major shipping channel. Hard to call that murder really, probably more a case of Darwinism in action.

haha ignorant retard, so the ships engineer is in prison at the moment is he, perhaps darwin has struck with bethune anyway seeing as how as captian he is ultimately responsible

Naki Rat

30th May 2010, 19:06

Fuckin greenies are always bleating about saving the planet.
The planet ain't going nowhere.
If colliding with something the size of Mars didn't destroy it in the early days,do you think a little messiness on the part of a particular transient biological infestation is going to do it?

Sure, the planet will survive but the problem that the greenies (or anybody that can see beyond next week) are trying to prevent is the total dessimation of the environment on that planet that supports the life on it, including the dominant and most destructive lifeform - humans. All life on Earth is interconnected and we are doing our best to trash our own survival by plundering it without a second thought.

shrub

30th May 2010, 20:20

haha ignorant retard, so the ships engineer is in prison at the moment is he, perhaps darwin has struck with bethune anyway seeing as how as captian he is ultimately responsible

Wonderful. You have provided me with all the evidence i could dream of to support my position. Thank you.

Woodman

30th May 2010, 20:24

Wonderful. You have provided me with all the evidence i could dream of to support my position. Thank you.

He really is making it easy for you

shrub

30th May 2010, 20:37

He really is making it easy for you

Kind of like when someone on a GN250 tries to take you on through the windies. But he's funny.

Max Preload

30th May 2010, 21:07

Thank you. Unwittingly you have shown exactly what I meant in my last post: "The brave new world we live in is a flaccid world where the weak and the foolish are ascendant, a world where men like Pete Bethune no longer have a place".

Your belief is more along the lines of "Criminals who believe in what they're doing, no matter how deluded that belief and their actions detrimental to civilised society, should not be punished".

Max Preload

30th May 2010, 21:09

Shrub you speak good words. The guy stood up for what he believes in, yea he got arrested, but there will be more and they may well win.

Good on him for standing up, gee with attitudes like i see here , no wonder the ACC protests failed.

There was nothing illegal about the ACC protest. The same cannot be said for Buffoon's actions.

avgas

30th May 2010, 21:20

There was nothing illegal about the ACC protest. The same cannot be said for Buffoon's actions.
And they achieved SOO MUCH man

avgas

30th May 2010, 21:27

Probably because they know there will be international media there. Quite smart actually. No sense in preaching to the choir.
Worked for Obama.
Pity the Japanese can't vote change. Not that it helped the US

JimO

30th May 2010, 21:32

Wonderful. You have provided me with all the evidence i could dream of to support my position. Thank you.

dont mention it, you have your opinion and i have mine and really i dont care if they send him to prison or take him out or shoot him or let him go, he boarded the ship for the publicity and he is getting it now, perhaps if you feel so strongly about it you should join up with sea sheperd and do your bit for the cause

Max Preload

30th May 2010, 21:32

And they achieved SOO MUCH man

About the same as each other.

shrub

30th May 2010, 22:08

Shrub you speak good words. The guy stood up for what he believes in, yea he got arrested, but there will be more and they may well win.

Good on him for standing up, gee with attitudes like i see here , no wonder the ACC protests failed.

Thanks. Sadly in the weak and flaccid world of the right standing up for what you believe is wrong and bending over so the man can give you your medicine is to be admired. We will sit back, passive and weak, as our assets are stripped and sold, our rights eroded and our culture debased. And one day we will wonder where it all went, but by then it will be too late.

Woodman

30th May 2010, 22:25

There was nothing illegal about the ACC protest. The same cannot be said for Buffoon's actions.

Yes bad bad mr. buffooon. he shouldn't have broken the law should he. What an asshole.
We must all behave, do what we are told at all times no matter what we think, if the police say jump we say "how high".

JimO

30th May 2010, 22:28

Kickaha

30th May 2010, 22:46

We will sit back, passive and weak, as our assets are stripped and sold, our rights eroded and our culture debased. And one day we will wonder where it all went, but by then it will be too late.

Omigod it's the fucking Lorax in disguise

shrub

31st May 2010, 08:14

Yes bad bad mr. buffooon. he shouldn't have broken the law should he. What an asshole.
We must all behave, do what we are told at all times no matter what we think, if the police say jump we say "how high".

Welcome to the future. Now bend over and assume the position please, you will soon learn to conform and obey, then you will be like all the other drones and will fit in just right. Don't worry about forming your own opinion, just listen to what the politicians and business leaders say because they know best.

Tank

31st May 2010, 09:51

. If a few (or a lot) people die for a good cause then so be it, there are quite a few of us to spare.

The irony is that you are happy for people to die for a good cause. Of course you only see 'good causes' as ones you agree with.

Im sure that the Japs see protecting their people going around their normal and perfectly legal business unmolested against people breaking the law as a very good cause also. So prosecuting the buffoon - and indeed locking him away for a long time is all ok with you.

Tank

31st May 2010, 09:59

It saddens me that Pete bethune gets the flack he does. Whether you agree with his motives or not, regardless of how much you hate the evil greenies, regardless of how much you think whaling is a good idea; surely you can respect and even admire a man who is willing to go to jail for what he believes in? Surely you can respect a man who is willing to take on a ship with a boat, who is willing to stand up to the Japanese government and tell them to lay off our oceans?

Or are you so caught up in political correctness and following the crowd that you have lost the ability to back the little guy making a stand?

Pete Bethune, you're a fucking hero mate. You have something that has become very, very rare: balls.

Where to start .....

Respecting someone who stands up for what they believe in .... yeah sure - up to a point.

There are millions of people in the world that believe to their very core in Islamic values. Many have this as their core values and find any variation to it deplorable.

Of course many of them are willing to die to fix this and effect change. They then strap bombs to their bodies and blow up people who are against the values and belief that they hold so dear. They honestly believe that they are doing a good thing - Gods will.

Do you respect them? Are they heros to you?

Or are your statements only 'correct' because this particular cause is something you believe in?

Its no Political correctness that stops people supporting 'the little guy' - many actually believe that what he was doing was wrong. There is noting bad about that.

imdying

31st May 2010, 10:08

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:16

Well I've written a letter to the Japanese consulate urging them to consider that most New Zealanders do not believe in the efforts of Pete Bethune, and that emprisoning him for 15 years is the best result for all. I recommend all of you guys do the same :yes:

/edt: oops, forgot the address:

Consular Office of Japan
PO Box 13-748
Christchurch

Wow thats not being all PC and you are standing up for what you believe and are doing something thing about it. Im sure that all on here will appreciate your actions and will respect you for it - regardless of their views. ::Tui::

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:29

Where to start .....

Respecting someone who stands up for what they believe in .... yeah sure - up to a point.

There are millions of people in the world that believe to their very core in Islamic values. Many have this as their core values and find any variation to it deplorable.

Of course many of them are willing to die to fix this and effect change. They then strap bombs to their bodies and blow up people who are against the values and belief that they hold so dear. They honestly believe that they are doing a good thing - Gods will.

Do you respect them? Are they heros to you?

Or are your statements only 'correct' because this particular cause is something you believe in?

Its no Political correctness that stops people supporting 'the little guy' - many actually believe that what he was doing was wrong. There is noting bad about that.

What a ridiculous argument!

Pete Bethune's vessel was rammed by a Japanese whaling ship and went on board said ship to protest and make a citizens arrest (an ill-considered course of action in my opinion, but a brave action nonetheless). He did not blow himself up, had no intention of blowing himself up, was carrying no explosives and he is not a Muslim. Just because the right wing Japanese media call him a terrorist, does not make him so - in fact his actions fail any of the recognised definitions of terrorist actions. For God's sake man, he was unarmed apart from a knife (pretty standard for sailors to carry knives) and surrounded by hostile and armed Japanese sailors - if anyone was likely to be terrified it would be Bethune.

Supporting a Kiwi who stands up to the Japanese whaling fleet on his own to make a stand against their illegal fishing (they are not allowed to engage in commercial whaling) has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings towards suicide bombers. Now try again, only this time don't try and hide behind a strawman argument, I'm too smart to be fooled by a feeble stunt like that.

Bald Eagle

31st May 2010, 10:36

What a ridiculous argument!

Pete Bethune's vessel was rammed by a Japanese whaling ship

I though the who rammed who question was still being debated. Causing an accident and then using that as an excuse for political protest he deserves the consequences whatever they may be.

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:37

Im sure that the Japs see protecting their people going around their normal and perfectly legal business unmolested against people breaking the law as a very good cause also. So prosecuting the buffoon - and indeed locking him away for a long time is all ok with you.

Actually, the Japs are breaking the law. The IWC has banned commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, which is where all this happened. The Japanese hide behind alleged "scientific" whaling, which is permitted, however there is nothing scientific about the number of whales they catch and the fact that they all go straight to the restaurants of Japan. They are thumbing their noses at the world and must be delighted that people like you swallow their PR, hook, line and sinker.

Their actions are wrong, and Pete Bethune and his colleagues have the courage to stand up against them.

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:37

I'm too smart to be fooled by a feeble stunt like that.

People who keep telling you how smart they are - generally arnt. As it is you dont even see the point of the post.

What a ridiculous argument!

Pete Bethune's vessel was rammed by a Japanese whaling ship and went on board said ship to protest and make a citizens arrest (an ill-considered course of action in my opinion, but a brave action nonetheless). He did not blow himself up, had no intention of blowing himself up, was carrying no explosives and he is not a Muslim. Just because the right wing Japanese media call him a terrorist, does not make him so - in fact his actions fail any of the recognised definitions of terrorist actions. For God's sake man, he was unarmed apart from a knife (pretty standard for sailors to carry knives) and surrounded by hostile and armed Japanese sailors - if anyone was likely to be terrified it would be Bethune.

Supporting a Kiwi who stands up to the Japanese whaling fleet on his own to make a stand against their illegal fishing (they are not allowed to engage in commercial whaling) has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings towards suicide bombers. Now try again, only this time don't try and hide behind a strawman argument, I'm too smart to be fooled by a feeble stunt like that.

Your comments in the original post I quoted were that people should respect people that are willing so much to fight for what they believe in. I was not calling PB a Muslium - but was pointing out that 'other people' that believe so stongly on 'other issues' you done affort the same respect for believing in their actions - yet you expect others to have that respect simply because it is something you agree with.

As for PB not being a terrorist - meh - that depends on your point of view. He is a member of the SS - that has been linked to eco terrorism by several countries.

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:39

I though the who rammed who question was still being debated. Causing an accident and then using that as an excuse for political protest he deserves the consequences whatever they may be.

Yes, it is still being debated. Funny that the Japanese have refused to participate in the hearing and won't release any footage, yet the Sea Shepherd Society have cooperated completely. Do you think that maybe they have something to hide? Maybe they're not as honourable as you want them to be?

imdying

31st May 2010, 10:39

I love how you guys just make shit up to suit yourselves...

Pete Bethune's vessel was rammed by a Japanese whaling shipNo, they recklessly put their vessel in front of a much larger one and were run over; their own fault.

went on board said ship to protest and make a citizens arrestNo, he went onboard a foreign vessel in the high seas with a deadly weapon, to do what if he wasn't apprehended by the crew, we do not know.

the right wing Japanese media call him a terroristThey're correct, see the pictures from OAB ten or so posts ago... pirate ship, rammed vessels, terrorist..

he was unarmed apart from a knifeOh, apart from that deadly weapon... well, that makes it ok then!

Supporting a Kiwi who stands up to the Japanese whaling fleet on his own to make a stand against their illegal fishing (they are not allowed to engage in commercial whaling)Supporting a terrorist who is engaging in hosilities against a vessel engaged in peaceful scientific research just makes you a cunt.

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:40

Actually, the Japs are breaking the law. The IWC has banned commercial whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, which is where all this happened. The Japanese hide behind alleged "scientific" whaling, which is permitted, however there is nothing scientific about the number of whales they catch and the fact that they all go straight to the restaurants of Japan. They are thumbing their noses at the world and must be delighted that people like you swallow their PR, hook, line and sinker.

Their actions are wrong, and Pete Bethune and his colleagues have the courage to stand up against them.

Actually - remember the innocent until proven guilty thing? The japs have not been charged or found guilty. Yet - you seem to know better. Just as well they are at least willing to give PB a trial before summary judgement from the uninformed masses huh.

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:41

Yes, it is still being debated. Funny that the Japanese have refused to participate in the hearing and won't release any footage, yet the Sea Shepherd Society have cooperated completely. Do you think that maybe they have something to hide? Maybe they're not as honourable as you want them to be?

How many boats have the SS admitted ramming and sinking? And you 100% think that 'just this one time' they are 100% innocent - what planet are you on?

imdying

31st May 2010, 10:41

As for PB not being a terrorist - meh - that depends on your point of view. He is a member of the SS - that has been linked to eco terrorism by several countries.No, there is no debate, he is a confirmed terrorist, the SIS have files detailing his escapades, spanning 3 decades.

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:44

Your comments in the original post I quoted were that people should respect people that are willing so much to fight for what they believe in. I was not calling PB a Muslium - but was pointing out that 'other people' that believe so stongly on 'other issues' you done affort the same respect for believing in their actions - yet you expect others to have that respect simply because it is something you agree with.

As for PB not being a terrorist - meh - that depends on your point of view. He is a member of the SS - that has been linked to eco terrorism by several countries.

Sadly for people with simplistic worldviews like yours, life is not a binary. Supporting Peter Bethune does not mean I support everyone who is willing to take risks for their cause, and what countries have decided the SS are terrorists?

Mully

31st May 2010, 10:45

Pete Bethune's vessel was rammed by a Japanese whaling ship and went on board said ship to protest and make a citizens arrest (an ill-considered course of action in my opinion, but a brave action nonetheless). .

Point of order: I've read a report that says laying blame for the "incident" is near impossible from the film footage supplied (something to do with overtaking angles and such) - that being said, the fact that the Japanese failed to render assistance to a stricken vessel is in contravention of maritime law. Of course, had people been throwing acid at me, I'm not convinced I'd render assistance either.

You are, of course, forgetting the most hilarious part of Bethune's boarding of the whaling ship - the fact that he presented an invoice to the Japanese for his sunken do-dad. To my mind, that's significantly funnier than trying a citizen's arrest.

BTW, are the whales Japan are hunting (for "science", obviously) still classed as endangered? I seem to recall reading something to the contrary (which may, of course, have been written by the Japanese)

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:47

No, there is no debate, he is a confirmed terrorist, the SIS have files detailing his escapades, spanning 3 decades.

Oh, then that settles it. If the SIS have files on him, then he must be a terrorist. Hang on, they have files on John Key - does that mean he's a terrorist?

Muppets, too funny!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

imdying

31st May 2010, 10:48

They're not obliged to render assistance to pirates who're attacking them :rofl:

imdying

31st May 2010, 10:49

Oh, then that settles it. If the SIS have files on him, then he must be a terrorist. Hang on, they have files on John Key - does that mean he's a terrorist?Yes, they hold files on him for the same reasons :rolleyes: Maybe you should get a look at those files :msn-wink:

shrub

31st May 2010, 10:50

Point of order: I've read a report that says laying blame for the "incident" is near impossible from the film footage supplied (something to do with overtaking angles and such) - that being said, the fact that the Japanese failed to render assistance to a stricken vessel is in contravention of maritime law. Of course, had people been throwing acid at me, I'm not convinced I'd render assistance either.

You are, of course, forgetting the most hilarious part of Bethune's boarding of the whaling ship - the fact that he presented an invoice to the Japanese for his sunken do-dad. To my mind, that's significantly funnier than trying a citizen's arrest.

BTW, are the whales Japan are hunting (for "science", obviously) still classed as endangered? I seem to recall reading something to the contrary (which may, of course, have been written by the Japanese)

The Japanese have refused to provide film footage and it's generally believed that their footage would show intention on their part. The whales concerned may or may not be endangered, what is of importance is that the area they are being hunted in is a whale sanctuary. Kind of like going lion hunting in a game park.

oldrider

31st May 2010, 10:53

This trial is about Peter Bethune and his criminal behaviour, not about his beliefs!

I for one am not in total disagreement with his beliefs but I do not agree at all with his behaviour!

IMHO he simply got the two confused and Japanese "justice" is helping him get it sorted. :shifty:

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:55

Sadly for people with simplistic worldviews like yours, life is not a binary. Supporting Peter Bethune does not mean I support everyone who is willing to take risks for their cause, and what countries have decided the SS are terrorists?

No - what I was pointing out is your hypocrisy:

You expect people to have respect for PB for taking a stand for what he believes in - but only because you agree with him.

You dont respect people who take a stand for what they believe in if you dont agree with them.

You believe that everyone should agree with you and if they dont you insult them and say that they are wrong.

Its that typical small minded, self centered, holier than tho attitude that makes hating greenies so easy - because you are all smug idiots that dont understand the harm you are doing for a good cause.

Tank

31st May 2010, 10:58

and it's generally believed

So its generally believed - despite people not actually seeing it.

Generally believed by whom - personally I think that they are saving it to put on Japans funniest home videos.

Or perhaps they just cant be fucked having anything to do with the SS and thought 'fuck em' - and who can blame them.

But dont let that stop you making unsubstantiated wild assed claims to try and backup your argument.

shrub

31st May 2010, 11:00

No - what I was pointing out is your hypocrisy:

You expect people to have respect for PB for taking a stand for what he believes in - but only because you agree with him.

You dont respect people who take a stand for what they believe in if you dont agree with them.

You believe that everyone should agree with you and if they dont you insult them and say that they are wrong.

Its that typical small minded, self centered, holier than tho attitude that makes hating greenies so easy - because you are all smug idiots that dont understand the harm you are doing for a good cause.

So what you're saying is that because religious extremists are willing to make sacrifices for what they believe in, nobody else should do the same? That their actions mean we should all bend over and take our medicine?

Get real man, there is nothing hypocritical about me admiring Peter Bethune for having the courage to stand up against a bully who is engaging in probably illegal behaviour and denouncing the actions of religious extremists. There is a huge difference between what he did and the actions of a suicide bomber.

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:01

and one other thing for the greenies.

PB has admitted almost all of the charges.

So - if hes charged in a court of law, and he admits doing it - how thy fuck can he be the wronged person.

Now for some accountability - thats what happens to the guilty.

And remember - that the japs have not been found guilty of anything. Apart from the court of 'generally believed'

shrub

31st May 2010, 11:03

and one other thing for the greenies.

PB has admitted almost all of the charges.'

In other words, he's an honest man who is willing to take responsibility for his actions and not hide. You must hate that about him.

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:06

So what you're saying is that because religious extremists are willing to make sacrifices for what they believe in, nobody else should do the same? That their actions mean we should all bend over and take our medicine?

actually I believe that all should be entitled to their views but still act within the law. You are the one saying that we should respect a man breaking it.

Get real man, there is nothing hypocritical about me admiring Peter Bethune for having the courage to stand up against a bully who is engaging in probably illegal behaviour and denouncing the actions of religious extremists. There is a huge difference between what he did and the actions of a suicide bomber.

1 - as you say probably engaged - but no proof of it.
2 - you forget that the SS have indeed bombed people - by placing a mine on a boat in port (ala rainbow warrior) - its just good luck that nobody was killed. But thats OK huh?

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:07

In other words, he's an honest man who is willing to take responsibility for his actions and not hide. You must hate that about him.

Id have more respect if he admitted all of them as opposed to just the 'smaller ones' hoping for a smaller sentence on the bigger one. Still its a start. Hope he gets a few years for the small ones as well.

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:11

oh his lawyer today:

"Mr Harris said he was confident that the charge of assault would not be taken seriously by the court, as nobody was badly injured and the bottle had not been aimed at anyone."

So he did do it - it was just bad luck that someone was hit - I wasnt aiming at him specifically. Yeah - thats a great defense.

edit - Mr Harris may be in for a shock.

shrub

31st May 2010, 11:16

Id have more respect if he admitted all of them as opposed to just the 'smaller ones' hoping for a smaller sentence on the bigger one. Still its a start. Hope he gets a few years for the small ones as well.

As I keep trying to explain to you, life is not a binary. "I think Peter Bethune deserves respect for the courage he has shown in standing up to an international bully" does not mean "I unconditionaly support every action of the Sea Shepherd Society and peter Bethune". Stop trying to hide behind illogical arguments. And I said "probably" because I tend to be a little conservative in my positions. I meant "almost certainly" or even "definitely", but I don't have conclusive evidence that they are doing anything so I said probably.

As for admitting his accusations, he admitted the ones he agreed he is guilty of - what do you expect him to do? Admit to being behind 9/11?

Mully

31st May 2010, 11:21

The Japanese have refused to provide film footage and it's generally believed that their footage would show intention on their part..

I've seen footage shot from on-board the whaling ship.

On Te News, I think. Positive I've seen it. They were shooting water cannons at the Ady Gil (sp?) as they carried on past.

it's probably on YouTube. I'll have a look tonight for you.

shrub

31st May 2010, 11:34

I've seen footage shot from on-board the whaling ship.

On Te News, I think. Positive I've seen it. They were shooting water cannons at the Ady Gil (sp?) as they carried on past.

it's probably on YouTube. I'll have a look tonight for you.

The You Tube stuff is out there, but the Japanese won't release other footage or their GPS data which would either confirm or counter the argument that they turned at the stationary Ady Gill. My argument is, if they're innocent why won't they provide the evidence? Surely such a noble and honourable group, who were after all victims of the evil SS sailors, haven't got anything to hide? Or maybe they're not as willing to take responsibity as Pete Bethune?

Max Preload

31st May 2010, 11:34

I've seen footage shot from on-board the whaling ship.

On Te News, I think. Positive I've seen it. They were shooting water cannons at the Ady Gil (sp?) as they carried on past.

it's probably on YouTube. I'll have a look tonight for you.

Warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dXCR9LX-Kc

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:38

Warms the cockles ofyour heart, doesn't it!

One assumes that they have insurance? Or I wonder if that wasnt paid due to contributory fault?

Bald Eagle

31st May 2010, 11:39

Warms the cockles ofyour heart, doesn't it!

looks like he had ample opportunity not to put his boat in harms way. A simple right turn Clyde would a fixed it :lol:

Tank

31st May 2010, 11:40

yeah because the SS would never ram a boat at sea would they:

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Bald Eagle

31st May 2010, 11:42

yeah because the SS would never ram a boat at sea would they:

Clearly they are recidivist reckless sailors

Tank

31st May 2010, 12:02

From the herald this morning : my highlighting:

New Zealand anti-whaling activist Peter Bethune will give evidence in Tokyo today to defend an assault charge that he injured a Japanese whaler with acid during a skirmish in the Southern Ocean.

Bethune told the Japanese court last week that he had hurled acid at a Japanese whaling ship but had no intent to injure.

The third day of Bethune's trial in Tokyo opens at 1pm today, where Bethune has been charged with five criminal charges including assault and trespassing, incurred after high-profile clashes with Japanese whalers in the Southern Ocean.

Bethune and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society disrupted Japanese whaling this summer, halving its expected haul.

Bethune was arrested after boarding a Japanese ship that collided with his trimaran, the Ady Gil.

Court proceedings so far

Japanese reports have focused on Bethune using a launcher to hurl a glass bottle full of butyric acid at the Japanese ship, causing injury to a crewman.

On the first day of trial, on Thursday, the court heard that the man had suffered light chemical burns needing a week to heal.

A video of the incident was shown, taken from the Japanese ship's mast with a running commentary from a crewman.

During the video, Bethune leaned forward and clenched his fists on his knees, looking a little restless, said the Sankei Shimbun.

"A rubber boat is approaching. We are responding by releasing water [through water cannons]. They're throwing something at the ship. I don't know what it is. They're turning the boat and throwing something. They're approaching from the right," a crewman said in the video.

"He's [Bethune is] preparing something like a launcher. The launcher has fired. The Ady Gil is moving away," he said.

According to the Sankei Shimbun's transcript, voices could then be heard saying "are you alright?" and "something's fallen down".

"Something's blown up. A crewman seems to have been covered with acid. We've had something filled with acid thrown on board. It seems to have hit a crewman. I will go downstairs and confirm. Ending transmission," the crewman said.

The prosecutor then told the court that Bethune was heard cheering and seen celebrating after the shot.

Bethune told the court through an interpreter that he had had no intention of hurting anyone. He admitted he had thrown the acid bottle on to the ship, but said there were many circumstances surrouding the incident that would be revealed later.

He contested the assault charge but admitted four other charges including trespassing and carrying a knife.

In the second day of the trial, on Friday, the injured man testified, saying he had felt a burning pain in his right eye and thought he would go blind.

In response to questions from the prosector, he said: "The accused [Bethune] is not at all apologetic. I want to see harsh punishment so he can apologise."

Yeah - I see him using the trial as a soap box. Upshot - video evidence of the crime - poor attitude to the victim or the law. I hope his lawyer isnt on a no-win no fee basis.

Brian d marge

31st May 2010, 15:27

If he don't say sorry or appear to be humble , hes screwed ...
it was on the lunchtime news for the first time it looked a small afair with only one judge
Stephen

Maha

31st May 2010, 15:54

Warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it!

Interesting clip, different angle, you can clearly see at around 18 seconds that the Ady Gil thrusts forwards in a vein attempt to stop the Jap boat.

Woodman

31st May 2010, 20:57

The irony is that you are happy for people to die for a good cause. Of course you only see 'good causes' as ones you agree with.

Im sure that the Japs see protecting their people going around their normal and perfectly legal business unmolested against people breaking the law as a very good cause also. So prosecuting the buffoon - and indeed locking him away for a long time is all ok with you.

Of course i only support causes i agree with, that is my right. To support all causes is way too pc.

Not wanting to sound like one of them leftwing huggy tosser greenies that I cannot stand, but you are focusing on people here and Buffoon is trying to protect the whales. There are other species to consider here, humans don't own the place.

Max Preload

1st June 2010, 00:26

Interesting clip, different angle, you can clearly see at around 18 seconds that the Ady Gil thrusts forwards in a vein attempt to stop the Jap boat.

Yeah, no wake to considerable wake. Right across the bow of the Shonan Maru No.2. So is that 4:1 to Sea Shepherd now? The Japanese must try harder!

Swoop

1st June 2010, 11:16

Warms the cockles of your heart, doesn't it!
That is an interesting bit of footage. The first 15 seconds shows that the jap has the helm over to starboard and is turning into the Ady Gill. The wake from AG is next to nothing and appears almost stationary. The firehoses show the distance getting closer.

The footage from the distant vessel (Sea Shepard?) seemed to verify this.

onearmedbandit

1st June 2010, 11:29

avgas

1st June 2010, 13:17

If what the Japanese are doing (whaling) is illegal, as is claimed, then why is there no action taken by the represented governments or international body? Honest question, not taking the mickey. And I'm looking for serious answers.
It is treated in similar regard as the US in Iraq, Chinese counterfeiting, China grabbing Nepal, South African Hunting........

Big problem, no one person to man against.
I don't support Sea Sheppard at all, but the Japanese cant go around outside their own territory claiming things in todays world. Mabey 100 years ago it was possible (Brits seem to do it). But today it is best practice to carve out your own piece of income, not steal someone elses.

The second problem is terming of definitions. Protected, reserve etc In the old days these words meant what they were written in the dictionary as. Now days they are lost in translation. Sadly they seem to be lost the most in translation from english to english.
Imagine if you will the term graveyard. In the past it meant where you go to bury the dead for respect. In the future it may mean somewhere to go get spare parts.

oldrider

1st June 2010, 13:44

That is an interesting bit of footage. The first 15 seconds shows that the jap has the helm over to starboard and is turning into the Ady Gill. The wake from AG is next to nothing and appears almost stationary. The firehoses show the distance getting closer.

The footage from the distant vessel (Sea Shepard?) seemed to verify this.

Have another look and watch the wake of the AG it was moving along all right then it increased heavily just prior to the impact, I reckon he powered the AG into the Jap boat's path!

Reminded me of the guy with the machete attacking the "gun shop assistant" and then wondering why he got shot! :yes:

AG was the much more manoeuvrable craft of the two and was deliberately harassing the Jap ship, other than that it had no legitimate cause to be there! (criminal nuisance?)

Personally I think the Japs can piss off and kill whales in their own territorial waters but that doesn't give me the right to break international laws of the sea to emphasise that!

Bethune and greenpiss may well be morally (subjective assessment) right but that does not give them the right to act like international terrorists, even if New Zealand's shonky justice system tells them they can! (I.E.Waihopai)

Brian d marge

1st June 2010, 14:26

Bring on the BIFF

the action is outside the court !

Go Tojo !!!

Stephen

Tank

1st June 2010, 14:47

Bring on the BIFF

the action is outside the court !

Go Tojo !!!

Stephen

As someone with a local perspective - do you think the going-ons outside (and inside yesterday - people calling him terrorist / fascist) is going to help or hinder PB?

imdying

1st June 2010, 14:47

What I don't understand,is why the Sea Shithole people,with the courage of their convictions, haven't gone to the court house to support Buphoon?That liar Paul Watson can't go for one... the Japanese Coast Guard have a warrant out for his arrest, he wouldn't even make it through customs.

Brian d marge

1st June 2010, 15:36

As someone with a local perspective - do you think the going-ons outside (and inside yesterday - people calling him terrorist / fascist) is going to help or hinder PB?

Most people dont know its even going on, as there has been VERY little on the news. There are a small number of nationalists and older people who, well the name Rockhead comes to mind

The court is an old fashioned place where time stood still and the men from the ministry rule supreme, I think he wont get 15 years as reported by the NZ media , but maybe a year or a fine that reflects the costs as per Reuters

I would be very surprised if he walks free

Stephen

Swoop

1st June 2010, 17:34

Have another look and watch the wake of the AG it was moving along all right then it increased heavily just prior to the impact, I reckon he powered the AG into the Jap boat's path!
I watched that clip about 8-9 times. If you look at the waves around and behind AG, it appears as if there is minimal revolutions on, so just holding station. The increase in revolutions would be an urgent movement. A vessel can only move if there is revolutions on the screws since rudder control is reliant on this. A wiser move would have been to go max-reverse, but hindsight, eh?

Most people dont know its even going on, as there has been VERY little on the news.
Your report of 20 pro whaling protestors seems to tally with what I saw on our news. It appears as if both sides are making it appear as if a bigger protest is happening. Really it seems like a couple of blokes having a verbal in the street and nothing more.

JimO

1st June 2010, 17:48

A wiser move would have been to go max-reverse, but hindsight, eh?

.

a wiser move would have been not to be there

Naki Rat

1st June 2010, 18:17

a wiser move would have been not to be there

Did you have the same opinion about the Bikoi?

JimO

1st June 2010, 18:21

Did you have the same opinion about the Bikoi?

did anybody park their bike in front of a big arsed boat at the bikoi

Max Preload

1st June 2010, 21:20

did anybody park their bike in front of a big arsed boat at the bikoi

Or was there acid thrown at people?

kermitt

2nd June 2010, 00:18

if ya cant do da time dont do da crime

Tank

8th June 2010, 16:53

UPDATE:

Sea Sheppard have kicked out PB - for having a bow and arrows onboard.

"The move follows allegations by the Sea Shepherd that Mr Bethune had a bow and arrows aboard the Ady Gil when it sank in the Southern Ocean, following a collision with a Japanese whaling boat."

ohh - this is interesting - so now his own group say he had weapons on board.

I wonder what peaceful use he was going to use them for. Im sure that this will help his trial somewhat.

or not.

More reading http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10650483

JimO

8th June 2010, 17:35

its not ok to have a bow n arrow but it is ok to throw acid at other boats, i think SS has just cut him lose

spacemonkey

8th June 2010, 17:58

So they threw him out as it was the only thing he DIDN'T use?

Mully

8th June 2010, 20:56

Hahahhahahaha!!!

Like tree-hugging rats abandoning a sinking hippy ship.

Genie

8th June 2010, 20:58

Tank

8th June 2010, 21:40

Yep - the adi gill would never fire the bow at boats.

oops - perhaps they do. I hope his judge has access to you tube:

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Max Preload

8th June 2010, 22:20

Sea Shepard must be seen as being the good guys here....their sponsers won't give them anymore money if they are seen to be associating with 'bad' people. it's all bullshit....playing the media again and now's it at the expense of a man they once honoured....go figure.

The way I figure it is different. They're distancing themselves from him to help him. Now he's just one man (for want of a better word) - they won't be punishing Sea Shepherd by locking him away for 15 years now. Sea Shepherd are hated as an organisation - he's just a lone, misguided soul.

What's the bet once he's released he's straight back in?

rustic101

8th June 2010, 22:31

The guy is not only an eco terrorist.
It is now established he was an armed eco terrorist.
Wonder what else is hiding in his closet???

Woodman

8th June 2010, 22:32

Oooooo bow and arrows, is that it. A frigate with proper guns should have sunk the whaling boat. Fuckin scientific whale catching bullshit lieing Japs.

Swampdonkey

8th June 2010, 22:48

Hope he likes rice...farkn pirates..

Genie

9th June 2010, 07:25

The way I figure it is different. They're distancing themselves from him to help him. Now he's just one man (for want of a better word) - they won't be punishing Sea Shepherd by locking him away for 15 years now. Sea Shepherd are hated as an organisation - he's just a lone, misguided soul.

What's the bet once he's released he's straight back in?

now that is an interesting take on it all, one i certainly never entertained. You are correct, in Japan they are a hated organisation. It will be interesting to see just what his fate shall be......

onearmedbandit

9th June 2010, 08:34

Oooooo bow and arrows, is that it. A frigate with proper guns should have sunk the whaling boat. Fuckin scientific whale catching bullshit lieing Japs.

Of course it's scientific. You don't think Kawasaki's handle like whales just by chance do ya?

Tank

9th June 2010, 09:39

Oooooo bow and arrows, is that it. A frigate with proper guns should have sunk the whaling boat. Fuckin scientific whale catching bullshit lieing Japs.

of course - until he fires it and kills some poor bastard who is doing a perfectly legal job trying to feed his family. As it is he has already caused burns and damage to a guy on board one of the boats. Next time perhaps he wants to kill one of them - bigger headlines you see. (worked with the round the world trip didnt it). I hope that they add weapons charges to the list - give him some more years.

Max Preload

9th June 2010, 13:24

now that is an interesting take on it all, one i certainly never entertained. You are correct, in Japan they are a hated organisation. It will be interesting to see just what his fate shall be......

And it looks like his (ex) wife is of a similar belief to me. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10650692

imdying

9th June 2010, 14:22

He should've told them it was for fishing Rambo stz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kElX_e0q7fU

The Pastor

9th June 2010, 14:26

it was to poision the whales. so if he did poisen them, and the japs didnt know, and then the japs ate it and got sick/died, is it ok? Human life is worth less than animal life?

onearmedbandit

9th June 2010, 14:51

Human life is worth less than animal life?

Certain 'humans', yes.

Tank

9th June 2010, 15:02

it was to poision the whales. so if he did poisen them, and the japs didnt know, and then the japs ate it and got sick/died, is it ok? Human life is worth less than animal life?

Some people are worth less than a cockroach. However I dont think innocent people who may eat whalemeat fall into that category. Sadly there are people far more deserving of an arrow on the news almost every night.

Swoop

9th June 2010, 16:17

I hope that they add weapons charges to the list - give him some more years.
It is interesting to note that the judge set the date for sentencing before the trial even commenced!

Maha

9th June 2010, 16:38

Those arrows looked really dangerous, if one had actually reached the Whaling (opps, scientific research vessel) it may put a hole in it and sunk? sank? sinked?

Tank

9th June 2010, 16:44

Those arrows looked really dangerous, if one had actually reached the Whaling (opps, scientific research vessel) it may put a hole in it and sunk? sank? sinked?

Prob more of an issue if he hit a person perhaps?

Maha

9th June 2010, 16:47

Prob more of an issue if he hit a person perhaps?

Unlikely though to be honest, the arrows dropped into the water, he was never close enough and he aint no Robin Hood.
Hes a A1 Wanker for sure and fuck em' I say, he wrecked that boat and put the crews lives in danger, thats a certainty.

Woodman

9th June 2010, 22:28

Of course it's scientific. You don't think Kawasaki's handle like whales just by chance do ya?

Oh , that explains it.

of course - until he fires it and kills some poor bastard who is doing a perfectly legal job trying to feed his family. As it is he has already caused burns and damage to a guy on board one of the boats. Next time perhaps he wants to kill one of them - bigger headlines you see. (worked with the round the world trip didnt it). I hope that they add weapons charges to the list - give him some more years.

The whalers could do something else, they don't have to hunt down animals for basically what amounts to a delicacy to a minority of people. It is unnecessary and selfish and causes a hell of a lot of suffering to these animals. Yea I know someone will mention fishing bla bla bla and probarbly start up some psuedo academic argument, but in my eyes its just plain wrong.

Brian d marge

10th June 2010, 01:12

:yes:

name and address withheld

Max Preload

10th June 2010, 01:29

The whalers could do something else, they don't have to hunt down animals for basically what amounts to a delicacy to a minority of people. It is unnecessary and selfish and causes a hell of a lot of suffering to these animals. Yea I know someone will mention fishing bla bla bla and probarbly start up some psuedo academic argument, but in my eyes its just plain wrong.

Many vegans say the same about all meats. They're entitled to their opinion and entitled to express it, as are you. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" - Voltaire.

But what you do not get to do, is take violent action against people going about their lawful business in order to express that opinion. No way, Hosè. That is what Buffoon and Sea Shepherd do and I will never condone it. Never fucking ever.

Tank

10th June 2010, 08:28

The whalers could do something else, they don't have to hunt down animals for basically what amounts to a delicacy to a minority of people. It is unnecessary and selfish and causes a hell of a lot of suffering to these animals. Yea I know someone will mention fishing bla bla bla and probarbly start up some psuedo academic argument, but in my eyes its just plain wrong.

Just because you dont like the job - the do have a right to do it. It is not uncommon for generations of families to continue working in the fishing / whaling industry. Often in some places it is the only work they know and is the only option available in that area.

But it says more about 'people like you' that you are more concerned about a big fish than the fuckers attacking them and hurting them. No mention of the pain and suffering of the guy who was hit by Pete Buffoon with the acid - and that in my eyes is plain wrong.

On the bright side today is the day - we should know how long he gets.

davereid

10th June 2010, 08:44

The whalers could do something else, they don't have to hunt down animals for basically what amounts to a delicacy to a minority of people. It is unnecessary and selfish and causes a hell of a lot of suffering to these animals. Yea I know someone will mention fishing bla bla bla and probarbly start up some psuedo academic argument, but in my eyes its just plain wrong.

The Islamic world would say that about pork. We regularly kill sheep and cattle using the Islamic halal method, yet it is illegal in the name of cruelty to kill them in the Jewish Kosher method. Which is the same except for the prayer.

Many Hindis have that view on cattle, which they know are sacred, but will cheerfully eat your dog.

Banning whaling based on our perception of the animal as intelligent, desirable or cute, does not make our ban justifiable, it just puts us into conflict with other cultures.

We have to justify our actions on sustainability, and our inability to kill the animal humanely. In the mean time, we have missed that boat.

onearmedbandit

10th June 2010, 09:18

The Islamic world would say that about pork. We regularly kill sheep and cattle using the Islamic halal method, yet it is illegal in the name of cruelty to kill them in the Jewish Kosher method. Which is the same except for the prayer.

Many Hindis have that view on cattle, which they know are sacred, but will cheerfully eat your dog.

Banning whaling based on our perception of the animal as intelligent, desirable or cute, does not make our ban justifiable, it just puts us into conflict with other cultures.

We have to justify our actions on sustainability, and our inability to kill the animal humanely. In the mean time, we have missed that boat.

But but but...we're the West ya know, we know better than the rest of the world and our way is the right way. And the only way.

imdying

10th June 2010, 09:58

It is unnecessary and selfish and causes a hell of a lot of suffering to these animals. Yea I know someone will mention fishing bla bla bla and probarbly start up some psuedo academic argument, but in my eyes its just plain wrong.You're eyes are full of sand is all. Cows don't like being shot in the head with a steel rod and their throats cut. Fish don't like being dragged into the open air and left to flop about. Pigs don't like living in shitty little huts. But a niggers gotta eat. If whales were smart enough to even begin to consider not eating them, they'd be smart enough that a couple of boats full of nips wouldn't be able to catch them, year after year, in the same places.

Woodman

10th June 2010, 21:11

Many vegans say the same about all meats. They're entitled to their opinion and entitled to express it, as are you. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" - Voltaire.

But what you do not get to do, is take violent action against people going about their lawful business in order to express that opinion. No way, Hosè. That is what Buffoon and Sea Shepherd do and I will never condone it. Never fucking ever.

Agree with most of what you say, but I have reservations about the lawfulness or honesty of the "whalers/scientists" actions. Adolf Hitler probarbly reasoned that the gestapo were acting under his law too, but we sent our soldiers over there to fight it.

Just because you dont like the job - the do have a right to do it. It is not uncommon for generations of families to continue working in the fishing / whaling industry. Often in some places it is the only work they know and is the only option available in that area.

But it says more about 'people like you' that you are more concerned about a big fish than the fuckers attacking them and hurting them. No mention of the pain and suffering of the guy who was hit by Pete Buffoon with the acid - and that in my eyes is plain wrong.

On the bright side today is the day - we should know how long he gets.

Whales are only a small piece of the pie. What about the great apes, tigers, polar bears etc? if you are happy for them to disapear just so a few of the 6 billion humans have a job, and are unwilling to retrain then good onya.

The Islamic world would say that about pork. We regularly kill sheep and cattle using the Islamic halal method, yet it is illegal in the name of cruelty to kill them in the Jewish Kosher method. Which is the same except for the prayer.

Many Hindis have that view on cattle, which they know are sacred, but will cheerfully eat your dog.

Banning whaling based on our perception of the animal as intelligent, desirable or cute, does not make our ban justifiable, it just puts us into conflict with other cultures.

We have to justify our actions on sustainability, and our inability to kill the animal humanely. In the mean time, we have missed that boat.

Agree with you

You're eyes are full of sand is all. Cows don't like being shot in the head with a steel rod and their throats cut. Fish don't like being dragged into the open air and left to flop about. Pigs don't like living in shitty little huts. But a niggers gotta eat. If whales were smart enough to even begin to consider not eating them, they'd be smart enough that a couple of boats full of nips wouldn't be able to catch them, year after year, in the same places.

But they are not smart enough and that is why buffoon is trying to help them. Boats and harpoons and all manner of technology is not really fair is it?

onearmedbandit

10th June 2010, 23:18

Adolf Hitler probarbly reasoned that the gestapo were acting under his law too, but we sent our soldiers over there to fight it.

Yay the Nazi's have finally been mentioned!

http://www.virgin-forum.com/upload/attachment/6447/hitlerIsAmused.jpg

oldrider

10th June 2010, 23:51

This is worse than waiting to see who gets chucked off "American idle"!

I see the good ship Greenpiss has deserted their sinking rat! :lol:

CookMySock

11th June 2010, 07:47

If whales were smart enough to even begin to consider not eating them, they'd be smart enough that a couple of boats full of nips wouldn't be able to catch them, year after year, in the same places.Yeah wtf sharpen up ay. You'd think they'd figured it by now. :weird:

Steve

onearmedbandit

11th June 2010, 08:45

Maybe they like being hunted. Whales seem like a depressing lot to me, moping around in the ocean making those loud crying noises, get enough of them together in one place and the cloud of depression causes them to mass suicide by beaching themselves. Maybe, just maybe, whales are the emo's of the animal world. In which case where can I make a donation to the Japs?

Tank

11th June 2010, 09:02

In which case where can I make a donation to the Japs?

I find Sony in Newmarket a good place to start.

imdying

11th June 2010, 09:10

But they are not smart enough and that is why buffoon is trying to help them. Boats and harpoons and all manner of technology is not really fair is it?Those suckers have the longest range, and most accurate, sonar system in the world... and they can spend half n hour under water; it's not so unfair.

Go ask some deer how fair they think a 270gr round to the heart from 500 metres is :laugh:

upshift

11th June 2010, 20:54

I see the good ship Greenpiss has deserted their sinking rat! :lol:

Actually Sea Shepherd, but a common mistake.
Greenpeace fell out with the founder of Sea Shepherd as far back as 1977

Read the history here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

tri boy

11th June 2010, 21:07

Whales swim round in OUR oceans. Eating OUR Plankton and do nothing for mankind.
When was the last time a Whale wrote a decent poem, or a top ten hit, or was elected into parliament (besides Parakura Horrormeh).
I say fuck the fat bastids. Time we concentrated on useful creatures like endangered frogs, and bumble bees etc

Orca can stay. They star in movies.

Pussy

11th June 2010, 21:32

oldrider

11th June 2010, 21:43

Actually Sea Shepherd, but a common mistake.
Greenpeace fell out with the founder of Sea Shepherd as far back as 1977

Read the history here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

Fair enough, i don't entirely dissagree with many of their sentiments but do dissagree with most of their behaviour!

Didn't we (you and I) meet in MacDonald's in Oamaru one day?

Brian d marge

8th July 2010, 14:39

news just in

a wet bus tickets was used by the judge in Tokyo today to severely reprimand a very naughty boy

Flights to country of origin are being readied as we speak

Stephen

onearmedbandit

8th July 2010, 14:43

Yep, we obviously fucked Japan off when we recently joined Australia with threatening legal action against them, so they've basically said 'fruck you, you can habe him back'.

oldrider

8th July 2010, 15:17

news just in

a wet bus tickets was used by the judge in Tokyo today to severely reprimand a very naughty boy

Flights to country of origin are being readied as we speak

Stephen

Yep, we obviously fucked Japan off when we recently joined Australia with threatening legal action against them, so they've basically said 'fruck you, you can have him back'.

Yes and just watch the snivelling little prick turn himself into a new "self styled hero" and start strutting the moral high road again! :sick:

Wasn't too tough while they had him in captivity though, was he! :mellow:

He is really only of minor nuisance value and a bit of an embarrassment to New Zealand anyway! IMHO. :yes:

Max Preload

8th July 2010, 15:45

Yep, we obviously fucked Japan off when we recently joined Australia with threatening legal action against them, so they've basically said 'fruck you, you can habe him back'.

Anyone who thinks they really give a flying fuck about this is deluded. Japan are operating entirely within the rules of the Convention.

onearmedbandit

8th July 2010, 15:49

I was taking the piss. But you knew that.

Brian d marge

8th July 2010, 16:08

but think of the emotional damage he suffered

poor chap

and the inappropriate use of a bus ticket

Shocking

Stephen

JimO

8th July 2010, 16:50

he will arrive here to a heros welcome with all sorts of celebrites flocking to be seen with him

Max Preload

8th July 2010, 18:21

The way I figure it is different. They're distancing themselves from him to help him. Now he's just one man (for want of a better word) - they won't be punishing Sea Shepherd by locking him away for 15 years now. Sea Shepherd are hated as an organisation - he's just a lone, misguided soul.

What's the bet once he's released he's straight back in?

I don't know how I do it but I'm right again.

The Sea Shepherd group says banning Pete Bethune from its Antarctic anti-whaling missions was just a legal strategy during his trial, and the New Zealand activist is welcome to join them on future trips. (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10657303)

Clockwork

8th July 2010, 18:50

Max Preload

8th July 2010, 19:03

Which just goes to show that along with Greenpeace they are prepared to lie to further the ends of their cause.....

Which only leaves you wondering what else they are prepared to lie about!!

Their morality seems to have a duality about it.

Fuck'n vegans. They're so malnourished they probably forget what they've said and done anyway.

Genie

8th July 2010, 19:13

what an absolute load of bullshit. japanese justice system is flawed. I really thought they'd throw the book at him and now sea shepard admits their bullshit in getting him off. bullshit ... crap. lock the bastard up. yeah, i get the defend the whale population thing but ffs....this is such bullshit

puddytat

8th July 2010, 19:36

Which just goes to show that along with Greenpeace they are prepared to lie to further the ends of their cause.....

Which only leaves you wondering what else they are prepared to lie about!!

Their morality seems to have a duality about it.

Very similar to the politicians with whom they are dealing with.....

Well done Pete Bethune. And well done Sea Shepard & Greenpeace.:corn:
Looking fwd to the result of the Marine investigation....:yes:

Woodman

8th July 2010, 22:44

shrub

9th July 2010, 06:50

With ya there puddytat. Good on him for taking a stand.

All power to sea shepherd and greenpeace , long may they continue the good work.

All the gummints do is compromise for fear of losing trade deals etc. Its bullshit

Now they should start ramming the fishing boats that are out plundering the Antarctic toothfish population.

And good on Pete Bethune for being something that is unpopular in this sad, PC world: a man of principle willing to take personal risk to stand up for what he believes in, even if it is against the Japanese gubbermint (am I the only one who finds it strange that when one man stands up to a government's corrupt activities it's bad, yet everyone whines about how bad governments are?).

here's to Pete Bethune, a true Kiwi hero and 10 points for pissing off all the whining, weak PC twats on this site. Given me a big laugh.

Max Preload

9th July 2010, 10:49

For me a pre-requisite for admiring someone standing up for what they believe in is that it has some merit. Buffoon's cause doesn't. It's just emotive tripe. It's time people faced economic realities.

shrub

9th July 2010, 11:52

It's time people faced economic realities.

So what you're saying is that allowing the Japanese to harvest whale meat has financial benefits for you and I? I would suggest that given the extent of whale watching in NZ we make a brazillian times more money from whales being alive than we do from Mr Yamagochi enjoying his whale sushi.

And then there is the troubling issue of morality: The Japanese aren't legally allowed to engage in commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary, so they pretend to be conducting scientific research with a huge fleet of vessels killing hundreds of whales, which mostly end up for sale in Japan. Scientific research? yeah, right.

Maybe I'm being a little simplistic, but to me that is dishonest and deceptive. Do you admire that kind of behaviour? Or were you unaware of it?

imdying

9th July 2010, 12:12

Yup, too wrongs totally make a right.

shrub

9th July 2010, 12:39

Yup, too wrongs totally make a right.

So what were the two wrongs? The Japanese illegal whaling activities and them ramming the Adi Gill?

Swoop

9th July 2010, 12:50

Now they should start ramming the fishing boats that are out plundering the Antarctic toothfish population.
In what way should "plunder" be described?
CCAMLR appear to be managing this fishery in a workable manner.

imdying

9th July 2010, 13:08

Japan's legal whaling activities and being rammed by the Adi Gill?Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

shrub

9th July 2010, 13:20

Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

Ah. The old "I can't argue against you, so I'll change what you said' trick. Kind of admitting defeat in my books, but then I guess you're good at that.

But let's explore your position. If the IWC (which are the internationally recognised regulatory body) have passed a resolution banning commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary and Japan engages in commercial whaling, how is that legal?

And I'm curious, why has the Japanese gubbermint suddenly become the hero and why are their illegal activities the best thing ever? Or is it just the typical weak "hide behind the establishment" PC nonsense I see here so often? Or the pathological commitment to take a contrary position against anything or anyone with the slightest hint of greenness taken by people who can't base their ideology on anything other than prejudice.

cromagnon

9th July 2010, 13:29

Fixed that for you.

By your logic, the JDF should escort their vessels and sink anything that comes too close.

Explain to me how a stationary boat can ram another boat....

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Ffr7Nk2DE

imdying

9th July 2010, 13:41

Ah. The old "I can't argue against you, so I'll change what you said' trick. Kind of admitting defeat in my books, but then I guess you're good at that.No, I'm not French :no:

But let's explore your position. If the IWC (which are the internationally recognised regulatory body) have passed a resolution banning commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary and Japan engages in commercial whaling, how is that legal?No they don't, although they do process some of their excess from research rather than dumping it... next...

And I'm curious, why has the Japanese gubbermint suddenly become the hero and why are their illegal activities the best thing ever? Or is it just the typical weak "hide behind the establishment" PC nonsense I see here so often? Or the pathological commitment to take a contrary position against anything or anyone with the slightest hint of greenness taken by people who can't base their ideology on anything other than prejudice.I guess it's the natural tendency to despise terrorism that most people possess.

Explain to me how a stationary boat can ram another boat....You supplied the link, so I assume we're watching the same video? All I saw was a pirate ship getting in the way of another ocean going vessel that was in heavy seas and made no appreciable change in course :bye: Not sure why they would want to place themselves in the path of such a large vessel, but clearly they're not the smartest out on that ocean.

shrub

9th July 2010, 13:54

No, I'm not French :no:
No they don't, although they do process some of their excess from research rather than dumping it... next...
I guess it's the natural tendency to despise terrorism that most people possess..

I see, so the reason you are unable to debate is that you believe everything that any gubbermint tells you. "It's good, decent scientific whaling - the Japanese gubbermint says so, so it must be and I won't bother looking at the situation and realising that harvesting around 1000 whales is ridiculous." Tell me my lad, how many Kiwi get killed every year by researchers? Hpow many elephants, rhinos or giant pandas? These are all species that undergo scientific research, some of it extensive, yet how come none get deliberately killed?

Ever asked yourself that?

And how does what the SSCS do constitute terrorism? Or is a terrorist anyone who stands up to your masters? And thanks for the red rep, I take that as an admission you're out of your depth.

shrub

9th July 2010, 13:58

Explain to me how a stationary boat can ram another boat....

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Ffr7Nk2DE

Easy. The Adi Gil had a massive magnet on board that sucked the Shonan Maru into it, or maybe Pete Bethune hacked the Shonan Maru's control systems and overrode them and forced them to ram the Adi Gill.

imdying

9th July 2010, 14:05

I see, so the reason you are unable to debate is that you believe everything that any gubbermint tells you. "It's good, decent scientific whaling - the Japanese gubbermint says so, so it must be and I won't bother looking at the situation and realising that harvesting around 1000 whales is ridiculous."No, ridiculous is other countries trying to take away their customary rights.

Tell me my lad, how many Kiwi get killed every year by researchers? Hpow many elephants, rhinos or giant pandas? These are all species that undergo scientific research, some of it extensive, yet none get deliberately killed.They're also not 20 tonnes and swimming in the most hostile ocean in the world...

Ever asked yourself that?Actually no, I don't give a fuck about panda bears. No wait, whales, me and Kenny don't give two shits about whales... But then, why would I ask myself about the specifics of researching whales, given that I'm not a whale researcher :rolleyes:

It's very simple, whales are animals, and animals are food. People bitching about eating whales are tiresome hypocrites with their all or nothing bullshit. There is absolutely no reason why whales can't be harvested sustainably like any other food source.

And how does what the SSCS do constitute terrorism?I'm
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shrub

9th July 2010, 14:17

No, ridiculous is other countries trying to take away their customary rights.
They're also not 20 tonnes and swimming in the most hostile ocean in the world...
Actually no, I don't give a fuck about panda bears. No wait, whales, me and Kenny don't give two shits about whales... But then, why would I ask myself about the specifics of researching whales, given that I'm not a whale researcher :rolleyes:

It's very simple, whales are animals, and animals are food. People bitching about eating whales are tiresome hypocrites with their all or nothing bullshit. There is absolutely no reason why whales can't be harvested sustainably like any other food source.

You really are an idiot. Should we eat Kiwi? They're an animal. And what about humans? We're also animals. And what has the weight and location of a whale got to do with whether the Japanese are justified?

And the whole "customary" bullshit shows you've bought the Japanese propaganda hook, line and harpoon. If the Japanese used open boats and harpoons in their own waters I wouldn't have a problem with it, but a massive commercial fleet in a whaling sanctuary? And if you're so in support of "customary rights", how do you feel about maori treaty settlements? Or is it only OK when it pisses the greenies off?

imdying

9th July 2010, 14:23

You really are an idiot. Should we eat Kiwi?If you can run a sustainable Kiwi farm, then sure, I don't see why not? Next you'll be telling us that eating cats and dogs is wrong too.

They're an animal. And what about humans? We're also animals.Ah huh, and you're calling me an idiot :rolleyes:

And what has the weight and location of a whale got to do with whether the Japanese are justified?You said that other animals are researched without having to kill them and remove them from their natural habitat... all of the animals you listed are on exteremly accessible and hospitible (by comparison to the Southern Ocean) land, and also in comparison, tiny.

And the whole "customary" bullshit shows you've bought the Japanese propaganda hook, line and harpoon.Very true. It's completely impossible that I could believe that off of my own back. Deary me, what was I thinking :rolleyes:

If the Japanese used open boats and harpoons in their own waters I wouldn't have a problem with itBullshit.

but a massive commercial fleetMassive? Come on, you obviously want to be taken seriously, so stop with the bullshit. Go have a look at a tuna fleet.

how do you feel about maori treaty settlements?The Maori's, whilst not indigenous to New Zealand, copped a pretty raw deal, and should be duly compensated. It's only the level and length of compensation that I believe should be up for debate.

shrub

9th July 2010, 15:33

If you can run a sustainable Kiwi farm, then sure, I don't see why not?

Whales are an endangered species and are not farmed sustainably, but the point is that the Japanese are breaking the law and thumbing their nose at the rest of the world and Pete Bethune has the balls to stand up to them.

imdying

9th July 2010, 15:44

the Japanese are breaking the lawNo, they're not. They're running a perfectly legal scientific research program that happens to outflow excess into the commercial market rather than wasting it.

Max Preload

9th July 2010, 15:53

So what you're saying is that allowing the Japanese to harvest whale meat has financial benefits for you and I? I would suggest that given the extent of whale watching in NZ we make a brazillian times more money from whales being alive than we do from Mr Yamagochi enjoying his whale sushi.
A continued good trading relationship with Japan is worth far more than a few boat trips ferrying hippies and halfwits to see whales off Kaikoura, which in any case aren't affected in any way, shape or form by the operations in the international waters of the southern ocean within the rules of the International Convention on the Regulation of Whaling. The point being both are sustainable - they are not mutually exclusive. Whales are a resource.

And then there is the troubling issue of morality: The Japanese aren't legally allowed to engage in commercial whaling in the Southern Whale Sanctuary, so they pretend to be conducting scientific research with a huge fleet of vessels killing hundreds of whales, which mostly end up for sale in Japan. Scientific research? yeah, right.
Where's your proof they're just pretending?

Maybe I'm being a little simplistic, but to me that is dishonest and deceptive. Do you admire that kind of behaviour? Or were you unaware of it?
What 'sort of behaviour'? Following the rules of conventions to which you are a signatory? Yes, I do admire that. But I don't admire violent, lying criminals harassing them.

Max Preload

9th July 2010, 15:55

Whales are an endangered species and are not farmed sustainably, but the point is that the Japanese are breaking the law and thumbing their nose at the rest of the world and Pete Bethune has the balls to stand up to them.

They're not endangered - that's just an emotive term applied on an ad hoc basis. Numbers are increasing - by definition that makes the numbers being taken now sustainable.

No, they're not. They're running a perfectly legal scientific research program that happens to outflow excess into the commercial market rather than wasting it.

And this is indeed a REQUIREMENT of the research under the Convention.