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steel001
27th May 2010, 20:21
Some people like to look at art, I like motorbikes.
Now if money was not the issue, are there any NEW bikes that you would buy today that you would buy as an investment? Ridden rarely,well looked after etc
Cage example the 22B, only 424 made, some magazines say they are to be viewed as an investment as they define the era of the turbo charged Jap etc etc ... agree or disagree I don't give a shit
Don't want to get into a pissfight about how bikes are made to be ridden but any that you view as worth holding onto?
Katman
27th May 2010, 20:23
Some people like to look at art, I like motorbikes.
Now if money was not the issue, are there any NEW bikes that you would buy today that you would buy as an investment? Ridden rarely,well looked after etc
Cage example the 22B, only 424 made, some magazines say they are to be viewed as an investment as they define the era of the turbo charged Jap etc etc ... agree or disagree I don't give a shit
Don't want to get into a pissfight about how bikes are made to be ridden but any that you view as worth holding onto?
Why look at new bikes?
For a quarter of the money you can get a classic that is already well on it's way to being a tidy investment.
steel001
27th May 2010, 20:25
Agreed , but I wasn't thinking something "well on it's way".
I'm asking if anyone views any NEW bikes as worthy.
Slyer
27th May 2010, 20:25
Man it's going to weird looking at bikes of today as antiques in 30 years like the rest of your oldies do now.
Buells I suppose now that they are going extinct.
Katman
27th May 2010, 20:26
I'm asking if anyone views any NEW bikes as worthy.
Ok, in that case - no.
imdying
27th May 2010, 20:26
Why look at new bikes?Because it's his thread, and there's fuck all fun in contemplating what's going to be the next classic when it already is.
But no, nothing sold in NZ makes me go "Wow, that's a game changer". I already have the latest teenage fantasy boy racer bike, but I didn't buy it for an ornament.
R6_kid
27th May 2010, 20:26
Umm... RSV4, maybe the 09 R1 with the cross-plane crank shaft, the BMW S1000RR.
But you're going to drop up to $40k now, it'll lose value over the next 10years or so before stabilising and maybe (if you're lucky) going back up so that in 20-30yrs you might make a profit.
98tls
27th May 2010, 20:28
Nope but theres a few from the 90s i would love to have.
This has to collectable.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=292305135
MIXONE
27th May 2010, 20:30
I reckon a Buell 1125CR would fit the need.
Katman
27th May 2010, 20:31
But you're going to drop up to $40k now, it'll lose value over the next 10years or so before stabilising and maybe (if you're lucky) going back up so that in 20-30yrs you might make a profit.
Precisely.
Better to get something that has already suffered the depreciation and is back on the way up.
98tls
27th May 2010, 20:34
I reckon a Buell 1125CR would fit the need.
Yep,forgot about those.
steel001
27th May 2010, 20:38
Precisely.
Better to get something that has already suffered the depreciation and is back on the way up.
Although I would like to agree in this case you are possibly wrong, for it to really appreciate in value it would need to be the lowest Km, best example available as well as define a time.
There are many 22B's out there still but what makes some rare is the fact they have not been modified, have driven few kilometers, well looked after etc etc
Shit, an R6 would be valuable as hell if it was still in as new state in 30+ yrs, what new bike would have the advantage over time?
steel001
27th May 2010, 20:40
I like the BMW and Buell examples, how many of the Buells were made?
Katman
27th May 2010, 20:45
Although I would like to agree in this case you are possibly wrong, for it to really appreciate in value it would need to be the lowest Km, best example available as well as define a time.
Rarity will always out-weigh low kms.
steel001
27th May 2010, 20:50
Precisely.
Better to get something that has already suffered the depreciation and is back on the way up.
Rare things rarely depreciate
98tls
27th May 2010, 20:54
Although I would like to agree in this case you are possibly wrong, for it to really appreciate in value it would need to be the lowest Km, best example available as well as define a time.
There are many 22B's out there still but what makes some rare is the fact they have not been modified, have driven few kilometers, well looked after etc etc
Shit, an R6 would be valuable as hell if it was still in as new state in 30+ yrs, what new bike would have the advantage over time?
To be honest mate i dont think an R6 would be worth that much in 30 years time if it was still in the crate,why would it?What milestone or significant event in motorcycling history has it been a part of,unless its a 99 i suppose.
How about these for investment. Think they are preety new.
<img src="http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9559/img0714lm1.jpg" />
steel001
27th May 2010, 21:00
To be honest mate i dont think an R6 would be worth that much in 30 years time if it was still in the crate,why would it?What milestone or significant event in motorcycling history has it been a part of,unless its a 99 i suppose.
Its rarity would be due to its condition.
How about these for investment. Think they are preety new.
Well if your going to include models
AllanB
27th May 2010, 21:01
Modern classics.
Hmm.
I purchased a 750 twin Kawa new in 1983 kept it for 19 years, it was mint, 110,000kms had many tasteful mods (and a BIG box of original parts!). Cost me $4k new - sold it on TM for just shy of the same $. That was good value I believe. Many of the punters viewing it pre auction thought I was mad selling it, but I needed the $ to get a new ride.
Back to the subject.
TL1000 if you find an original, unmolested, low km one. Why? It has 'the rep' to carry it into a classic.
GSXR750 - First edition - good luck finding a clean one though!
Maybe a first edition 900RR Honda or the original Bussa
My problem is that none of them have (to me anyway) 'classic' lines.
But then I'm 45 and the classics of tomorrow will probably be set by people 20 years my younger who dream of buying a new V4 Aprilia, BMW etc
Interesting question, good post.
steel001
27th May 2010, 21:07
Cheers mate, an original Bussa would have to be right up there although it's not new so...
Wannabiker
27th May 2010, 21:13
There was a chap in the USA a couple of weeks selling a Ducati 888 Superbike on e0bay that he had bought brand new and never used. Was a special edition / made for a race team or something ...cant quite remember,,, USD $ 80K. He also had another collectable, brand new never been used.... cant remember what make it was. Thats some serious money. Both had significant history that helped with the price.
robinm
27th May 2010, 21:14
I agree with allanb on the first model GSXR750,the bike that shattered the mould for sports bikes in the '80's must be a 1985 model, must be low k's, must be totally original with unmarked original body work, with all original owners manuals, workshop manual, parts manual, parts microfiche (and microfiche reader to read it with), sales brochure etc etc etc. Big question is where would you find such a beast, oh I know, in the big glass display case in the back of my garage.
98tls
27th May 2010, 21:23
Fwiw generally the first and last of a model are the ones worth money in the future,if talking the 90s (seems we are now) the likes of a 94 916,97 TLS,91 RGV ,94 Prilla RS etc etc would be the picks though that to is debateable,case in point the 97 TLS though both hammered and loved by the motorcycling press and the supposed high hp version also has some drawbacks compared to the sorted 98,ive had a 98 for over a decade and even though ive spent huge $ on aftermarket stuff ive still all the oem gear that can be fitted in a day.The TL with its history is certain to be a future classic and no doubt the day will come that i take all the crap off it and sell it as OEM though not for many years.
AllanB
27th May 2010, 21:29
Maybe wait for the last of the air-cooled Harleys?
Well if your going to include models
Oh you should hurry and catch up to this guy
<img src="http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/03/medium_2312932806_9772d9ac2d_o.jpg" />
nallac
27th May 2010, 22:01
I like the BMW and Buell examples, how many of the Buells were made?
Buell 1125 Production numbers:
1125R - 5836
1125CR - 3099
1125RR - 3
98tls
27th May 2010, 22:14
Buell 1125 Production numbers:
1125R - 5836
1125CR - 3099
1125RR - 3
Sad eh....................
Blinkwing
27th May 2010, 22:20
Sad eh....................
Bloody hell, I'd buy it for that price ... that's sad.
Ocean1
27th May 2010, 22:28
Bloody hell, I'd buy it for that price ... that's sad.
That's US$.
Still, you could buy one here for under $14K a few months ago. There's one on TM now (already) for the original RRP of $19K
I'd say it's possibly the closest thing you'd get to an appreciating asset on two wheels at the moment.
AllanB
27th May 2010, 22:29
For some reason I don't see the CR being the collectible Buell. Too much stigma as being the one that killed Buell maybe? A bit like the very last Triumphs and Nortons - you know when they were officially 'old' still leaking oil, vibrating, slow and filled with crap like turn signals, cast wheels, starter motors, disk brakes, baffles in the mufflers etc.
But maybe they are quirky enough to be collectible being the last of the Buells.
You need a milestone bike something that grabbed motorcycling by the balls and made everyone catch up (again GSXR750, Bussa etc) - this year it is that new fangled BMW but the sports bike world is very quick to change and in 24 months it will be old hat, surpassed by something truly evil!
Side note back to Triumph - will the first of the 'new' Bonnies have collectible value in 30 years?
R6_kid
27th May 2010, 22:30
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=292408029
98tls
27th May 2010, 22:54
No idea on the Bonnie Alan but will throw in a 93 Daytona 1200 as a future classic.Actually for something new would add the 675.
slowpoke
27th May 2010, 23:33
Can't see any of the run of the mill, produced in 1000's type stuff ever appreciating in any meaningful way. BMW S1000RR and Aprilia RSV4 are just flavour of the month, not revolutionary or rare and it'll be a loooooong time before one sells for more than it's new retail price when it's second hand, there are just too many produced and 2 years down the track they'll be forgotten about as the next big thing rolls off the production line. They don't have the exclusivity of a say an RC30 or 916SP.
The Buell's will be interesting to watch, but I don't know that they will be desireable in the future if they haven't really captured the public's attention now. Time will tell.
An MV Agusta wouldn't be a bad bet. Their financial position is pretty shaky and if they ever fall off the financial perch their already iconic bikes will appreciate.
CR500 or RS250 type stuff might be a goer too, with two strokes on the outer and Honda no longer making 2 strokes at all.
It's not up to the minute but I'd rather have something like this parked in the lounge than a stock as a rock Buell/MV/BMW etc: http://www.classic-motorbikes.com/stock.asp?Ref=FC62&Lang=en
Yanagawa and the ZX750 are legendary and I'd happily look at it for the next 30yeras.
Gibbo89
27th May 2010, 23:37
i don't know a lot about bikes... but what about a 2003 final edition aprilia rs250??
feel free to bitch slap me if thats stupid
:innocent:
98tls
27th May 2010, 23:39
i don't know a lot about bikes... but what about a 2003 final edition aprilia rs250??
feel free to bitch slap me if thats stupid
:innocent:
Yep,though as i posted earlier my money would be on the first one.
98tls
27th May 2010, 23:43
If it had to be something Jap or based on, a 90s Bakker QCS would be my choice of classics,will still look good in 50 years.
onearmedbandit
27th May 2010, 23:43
Cross-plane R1? Don't see that as being an investment. Nor any of the other current crop of Superbikes or Supersports. One possibility would be Ducati D16RR. They will certainly drop in value immediately (unlike the 22B which increased in value before it even was released onto the market) but may within the next 10yrs start a gradual climb, especially mint low km versions. Same as the Tamburini MV and their other limited run models. Maybe not immediately, but because the company has so much prestige and the bikes are rare they have the basic requirements for long term investments.
fuknKIWI
27th May 2010, 23:58
Some people like to look at art, I like motorbikes.
Now if money was not the issue, are there any NEW bikes that you would buy today that you would buy as an investment? Ridden rarely,well looked after etc
Cage example the 22B, only 424 made, some magazines say they are to be viewed as an investment as they define the era of the turbo charged Jap etc etc ... agree or disagree I don't give a shit
Don't want to get into a pissfight about how bikes are made to be ridden but any that you view as worth holding onto?
Yep a depreciating liabilty is a great investment if it blows your hair back...
Just remember the cost of storage & maintenance, ie those "new" Nortons recntly found basically need full rebuilds as they've just ben crated & left in a ware house for 30 odd years.
Someone is going to ay big bucks for them then they can start refurbishing them, it's alabour of love not an investment in the true sense of the term.
All 4 Ducati factory tricolore...I am 1/2 way...and for the right price I could start you off....
Spearfish
28th May 2010, 02:56
I'm not sure if this fits, Its not a common bike, just extreme.
http://www.bikez.com/bike/index.php?bike=20204
That is a collectable investment already. ;-)
popelli
28th May 2010, 06:21
bikes as an investment, waste of bloody time
buy a bike to ride and enjoy it
no complaints about buying my XLCR though, its doubled in value since I bought it
would I sell it, no, not unless something that really took my fancy appeared
bikes as an investment, waste of bloody time
Yup... some are getting their fingers burnt out there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-MV-Agusta-Claudio-Castiglioni-Edition-1200-miles-/330434793846?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item4cef72d176
Bike had an MSRP of US$ 120,000 when it came out.
Mudfart
28th May 2010, 09:02
there are too many great builders making mint one offs, for example theres a huge aussie streetfighters club.
i reckon this market of unique builds has devalued any limited edition or game changing for the industry type bikes produced by factories.
Katman
28th May 2010, 09:20
there are too many great builders making mint one offs, for example theres a huge aussie streetfighters club.
i reckon this market of unique builds has devalued any limited edition or game changing for the industry type bikes produced by factories.
Custom built streetfighters will only ever be basket-cases worth more to the people who build them than anyone else.
AllanB
28th May 2010, 10:19
First edition Katana 1100 (high spec wire wheel one of course) will increase in value.
Z900's in original mint cond are gaining as are 1300/6 Hondas.
Grab a 740/4 Honda too while you can still afford them.
In some ways the modern market has altered and specialized too much to make them an investment - we now have categories for sports, naked, cruiser, touring etc. Back in the day the iconic stuff now was just bloody awsome when it arrived.
In the bike shop today ......... plenty worth buying to ride. Nothing inspires me as an investment.
madbikeboy
28th May 2010, 10:55
Of the new bikes available - answering your question:
Desmosidici (until I got to play with one I thought they were bollocks, now I understand they are the bollocks)
Confederate Wraith.
End. Of. List.
Dodgyiti
28th May 2010, 10:56
I would say race rep factory specials every time
Say if Max Biaggi won the SBK this year on the Aprillia and they released a limited run of Biaggi reps.
The Baylis Ducati from a few years back was a good investment, even better if he comes back to race next year. The Desmosideci would be another especially in Marboro trim and the MV 312 because it was the fastest bike on the road when released and low volume production
Depends on your budget but if you had lots to play with I'd invest in race bikes. .... they are available if you have the right contacts. One of Ben Spies R1s for instance or a Ten Kate Fireblade or CBR600RR or Haga's Duke etc. It would have to be from one of the sucessful teams..
fuknKIWI
28th May 2010, 16:13
Rare things rarely depreciate
If stored and maintained correctly.
You'll be needing a temperature and humidity controlled environment for it.
Carcoon or something like that is the name of the product, I believe they make bike cocoons too.
Back in the 90's i bought a bike as an "investment" it represented about 750 BHP shares, I should have left my money in BHP as the bike succumbed to the coastal atmosphere.
I realised a loss on the bike about 18 months ago due to adverse financial circumstances.
Having said that I wonder what a Britten V1000 is worth today if you could get the chance to bid on one?
avgas
28th May 2010, 16:24
I have done a couple.
Likewise my dad has some wise investments.
I purchased a GB400 for $2100 in 2001, sold it again in 2006 with the Km's of me riding it on top......for $3700. I think I spent about $500 cleaning it up.
Old man has a Triumph 3TA sitting in the shed right now, at one point he bought it back for $300. Its worth a bit more than that right now, even though its not assembled.
I am hoping the whole "Dues Ex Machina" rush will get me a good price for the SRX sitting in the shed, in a year. As the SRX has better running gear than the SR400 - but the Aussies didn't get it so they didn't know about it.
Likewise all those guys who bought RG500's...RZ500's..........must be laughing all the way to the bank now. Last one I saw was about 20 times brand new purchase price.
Old Steve
28th May 2010, 19:46
Such a bike needs to have been a benchmark in its time, have been produced in extremely limited numbers, and be able to be considered a piece of art as you wouldn't be riding it.
I think fuknKIWI made a worthwhile comment. The last bike I consider worthy of buying just for display would be a Britten V1000. Revolutionary, got race creds, looks like its going a zillion k/hr just sitting there.
Now getting your hands on one, that's the problem. Anyone got keys to Te Papa?
crazyhorse
28th May 2010, 21:12
Whatever bike I would buy, I would ride. After all, they're made for riding, not parking up in your shed for you to ogle at, but to be enjoyed :yes:
fuknKIWI
28th May 2010, 21:54
I think fuknKIWI made a worthwhile comment.
Haha there's plenty here who disagree cos I'm an idiot, but comuing from them I'll take it as a compliment...
seemy GST thread...
peasea
29th May 2010, 08:20
bikes as an investment, waste of bloody time
buy a bike to ride and enjoy it
no complaints about buying my XLCR though, its doubled in value since I bought it
would I sell it, no, not unless something that really took my fancy appeared
Ride and enjoy; too true. I know where there's an X75 Hurricane with something like 11 miles on it, can't wait to see it fired up but it'll probably smoke it's arse off and need rebuilding or at least a freshen up. Neat old machine though. The owner was offered big money for it by the British M/C Museum just before their big fire years ago. So glad he didn't sell.
Bender
29th May 2010, 09:49
If I was buying for long term resale I would first choose bikes that won't drop any further in value - bikes that are available in big numbers now, and are highly regarded. (Big numbers build the mystique and potential long term market). They would have to be good examples, preferably mint, and relativley cheap so i could unload them easily one at a time if I went tits-up financially.
I'd be looking for:-
Honda VFR 400 (great little bike, favourite of young guys and therefore an endangered species.) I'd have two or three of them.
Yamaha SR500. I tmay already be too late for this species as most of these have been butchered. Good ones are already appreciating rapidly, particularly with Dues "modifying" any they can get their hands on. Terrific bike, just fun to be aboard one.
Honda XR500 - I hear great things about these bikes though i have never ridden one.
Honda Bros (Hawk). I'd grab a couple of good ones of this bike. It has a big reputation - you could drive the value of these by promoting a one-design race class. That would both create a market and drive the price of straight ones up (cycnical eh?)
Honda TT - 500 or 600 - I think these will appreciate well. Readily available now and cheap-as to buy. Two of these.
Suzuki RM250 & 400 - already appreciating. Simply two of the best MX bikes ever. You won't lose money on a couple of these
Another bike that would be well worth buying in New Zealand would be an RC51. I've seen a showroom condition one offered for $17,000. I know they are not the most popular of Honda's RC series but hell, they are homologation bikes produced by HRC and that's a bloody cheap buy in price for an RC. Definitely increase in value.
You could grab a stack of these bikes for the price of one Biaggi replica Aprilia and in 10 years time I reckon the value off each bike would have doubled. (Or maybe not). There are issues of storage etc - but you'd have a great stable of bikes to thrash from time to time...
fuknKIWI
29th May 2010, 18:51
Ride and enjoy; too true. I know where there's an X75 Hurricane with something like 11 miles on it, can't wait to see it fired up but it'll probably smoke it's arse off and need rebuilding or at least a freshen up. Neat old machine though. The owner was offered big money for it by the British M/C Museum just before their big fire years ago. So glad he didn't sell.
I once owned one of the 2 original Hurricanes that came into NZ. Had it for 5 years & was glad to be shot of it.
Got hit by some fucker who went through a red light, blew it up racing a Mach 4 Kwaka restored it & sold if for double my money.
ukusa
29th May 2010, 21:47
you're all wrong. Here's a true investment for the future.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/
fuknKIWI
30th May 2010, 14:49
Some people like to look at art, I like motorbikes.
Now if money was not the issue, are there any NEW bikes that you would buy today that you would buy as an investment? Ridden rarely,well looked after etc
Cage example the 22B, only 424 made, some magazines say they are to be viewed as an investment as they define the era of the turbo charged Jap etc etc ... agree or disagree I don't give a shit
Don't want to get into a pissfight about how bikes are made to be ridden but any that you view as worth holding onto?
ukusa could finally have found something that fits your criteria steel001.
you're all wrong. Here's a true investment for the future.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/
Hiflyer
30th May 2010, 16:50
Aren't Norton making a rotary bike? Or was that bullcrap. If that went ahead and was a success you'd probably want to get your hands on that!
AllanB
30th May 2010, 16:57
Aren't Norton making a rotary bike? Or was that bullcrap. If that went ahead and was a success you'd probably want to get your hands on that!
They made one years ago - late 70's I think - not long after they went under. It was a truly ugly beast. The police in England ran them for a while. pretty sure there was a racing one too!
Wankel rotary - more wank than rotating in a bike I think!
avgas
30th May 2010, 17:14
To be honest mate i dont think an R6 would be worth that much in 30 years time if it was still in the crate,why would it?What milestone or significant event in motorcycling history has it been a part of,unless its a 99 i suppose.
Yeah I have to agree. Now if it were an R7! 1/500 is a pretty good ratio to buy into.
Likewise I still wanna buy a Bimota Vdue - but I doubt I will ever see one under $40K, unlike most Ducati's
avgas
30th May 2010, 17:17
you're all wrong. Here's a true investment for the future.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/
Pipe dreams are free
Unless bloor takes it over I dont see it happening.
Norton release a bike every 10 years, and never come to production.
Previous attempts were the rotary, Nemesis and even a collaboration with Laverda using the old 667
peasea
30th May 2010, 17:49
you're all wrong. Here's a true investment for the future.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/
Fifteen thousand pounds? And people think HD's are expensive.
Kickaha
30th May 2010, 18:08
pretty sure there was a racing one too!!
Yes the RCW 588 and it wasn't an ugly beast, It even won at the Isle of man
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/norton/norton_RC588.htm
The F1 was the road going version
Stylo
30th May 2010, 18:15
Can't see any of the run of the mill, produced in 1000's type stuff ever appreciating in any meaningful way. BMW S1000RR and Aprilia RSV4 are just flavour of the month, not revolutionary or rare and it'll be a loooooong time before one sells for more than it's new retail price when it's second hand, there are just too many produced and 2 years down the track they'll be forgotten about as the next big thing rolls off the production line. They don't have the exclusivity of a say an RC30 or 916SP.
The Buell's will be interesting to watch, but I don't know that they will be desireable in the future if they haven't really captured the public's attention now. Time will tell.
An MV Agusta wouldn't be a bad bet. Their financial position is pretty shaky and if they ever fall off the financial perch their already iconic bikes will appreciate.
CR500 or RS250 type stuff might be a goer too, with two strokes on the outer and Honda no longer making 2 strokes at all.
It's not up to the minute but I'd rather have something like this parked in the lounge than a stock as a rock Buell/MV/BMW etc: http://www.classic-motorbikes.com/stock.asp?Ref=FC62&Lang=en
Yanagawa and the ZX750 are legendary and I'd happily look at it for the next 30yeras.
'Bike for an investment' sounds like an oxymoron to me, unless you take the gamble and hang on for 15 + years. Mate of mine has a CR500 now coming up 10 years old that is still new and he reckons he'd be lucky to get his money back right now. Might be different if he hangs on for another few years , just 'cos they don't make 'em any more does'nt guarantee if you got one, it's gonna be worth serious coin. I'd say if they had a cult following when they were available it's probably more likely there'll be some punters down the track who've got more money now than they had then and will spend some serious coin to get something they always wanted and could'nt afford. My 2 cents
fuknKIWI
30th May 2010, 18:50
Aren't Norton making a rotary bike? Or was that bullcrap. If that went ahead and was a success you'd probably want to get your hands on that!
15- 25 years ago they did but that's another story lightning brain.
T.W.R
30th May 2010, 20:50
This would be an interesting prospect for the years to come
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-293740950.htm
steel001
30th May 2010, 22:09
Thread has been a good read, cheers for your suggestions guys.
Was talking to my old man over the weekend, he had been in the furniture industry for years and through doing so had imported many Morbidelli CNC's into the country and was offered one of the Morbidelli V8's when he was over in Europe.
Now the old fella hates bikes but I reckon he would have loved to own one of those today.
Might research more along the Buell lines, rarity is inbuilt.
ukusa
31st May 2010, 00:19
Pipe dreams are free
Unless bloor takes it over I dont see it happening.
Norton release a bike every 10 years, and never come to production.
Previous attempts were the rotary, Nemesis and even a collaboration with Laverda using the old 667
yep, they'll probably never make it!
Urano
31st May 2010, 01:15
bikes as an investment, waste of bloody time
i have to agree...
don't see it as a much profitable investment.
anyway, if you want to, i'd grab as soon as i can one mv f4 ago, previous model: the last tamburini creature, and an endless beauty...
beside that, a morini corsaro veloce, great bike, with great solution, little sells and reasonable price.
at last, if you can find one, i'd take a bw k1.
be aware of all the "false specials" with a replica o cafè racer appearance but sold in thousands...
avgas
31st May 2010, 01:27
yep, they'll probably never make it!
Unless they are willing to sacrifice on price they wont. I will quite happily eat my words if they do. But at this point every man and his 'Dues ex machina' is in the space they want to compete.
I remember a time when I read in a magazine that Harley were not too concerned with the fact that 1/100 bikes were of a similar marque (Triumph, Norton, BSA....) as they will never take off and Harley will always have the lions share. Since bloor has gone through Triumph - I doubt Harley will make that comment again. Love him or hate him, he got something to work.
Norton need a similar approach, if they don't plan to be a 'novelty' bike. Either give something special for the coin, or drop the coin.
As for Vincent, well I can still dream........
Hiflyer
31st May 2010, 10:44
They made one years ago - late 70's I think - not long after they went under. It was a truly ugly beast. The police in England ran them for a while. pretty sure there was a racing one too!
Wankel rotary - more wank than rotating in a bike I think!
15- 25 years ago they did but that's another story lightning brain.
There was a thread on KB a while back about a rotary norton that they'd set up for racing but It might have been a one off.
Lightning brain?? Wouldn't that make me smart...?
T.W.R
31st May 2010, 10:54
There was a thread on KB a while back about a rotary norton that they'd set up for racing but It might have been a one off.
Lightning brain?? Wouldn't that make me smart...?
Norton NRV588
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HenryDorsetCase
31st May 2010, 16:59
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-293740950.htm
next question.
Kickaha
31st May 2010, 17:39
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-293740950.htm
next question.
If you would like to see one in real life there is (or was last week) one on display in Street and Sport
T.W.R
31st May 2010, 19:21
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-293740950.htm
next question.
Getting slow huh
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124017-Bike-for-an-investment...?p=1129768753#post1129768753
:bleh:
The Pastor
2nd June 2010, 09:04
buy a harley, wait 40 years. profit.
SMOKEU
2nd June 2010, 09:19
A good 2 stroke will surely increase in value, like an RG500 or NSR250.
Corse1
2nd June 2010, 10:08
I was also going to mention the Norton 961. Liklihood of Norton going bust again could make the value = collectable??
KTM Superduke R...............maybe not. I agree that there a whole lot of 80's and 90's bikes mentioned here that are going up in value. Manufacturing numbers for new models are greater than historical bikes I would think so collectable models aren't as common without parting with a shitload of cash.
I think I would have been better off buying 3-4 lower value older models off trade me rather than the speed triple as a second bike even though the triple was not bought as an investment.
Then just keep updating the one bike for fun............................................... ............
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