Core Caw!

[Big Dave]

Had a sit on the Victory Core yesterday.
Very cool machine and tech.
Posted a pic and the promo vid on the KR site.

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/05/victory-core.html

[Laava]

Cor blimey...........................that's........... ...........................different!

[SlashWylde]

Very interesting and forward thinking design brief for a cruiser. I like the result. I hope these are well received by the public and go into production.

[Headbanger]

Are they taking the piss?

[R6_kid]

Hell Yes. First bike of theirs that I've looked at and liked.

[Big Dave]

Are they taking the piss?

I'd say as seriously as these guys.
http://www.confederate.com/cm4/index.php

[98tls]

God forbid they produce them,even parked outside a latte shop in the upper other isle with a balding 47 year old divorcee wearing John Lennon glasses and leather chaps and 2 sizes to small t-shirt that bike would still look the business,love it.

[grusomhat]

You old people sure have some strange ideas of what looks good.

[98tls]

You old people sure have some strange ideas of what looks good.

As opposed to a young person with no idea i guess your right.

[miloking]

Had a sit on the Victory Core yesterday.
Very cool machine and tech.
Posted a pic and the promo vid on the KR site.

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/05/victory-core.html

Thats butt ugly..if you want awesome "strange" bike you should be looking at Confederate bikes...

http://www.confederate.com/cm4/machines.php

[Grubber]

Seriously horrid looking bikes.....ugh!

[Laava]

God forbid they produce them,even parked outside a latte shop in the upper other isle with a balding 47 year old divorcee wearing John Lennon glasses and leather chaps and 2 sizes to small t-shirt that bike would still look the business,love it.

Fuck it then, I'm not buying one now!

[Big Dave]

>>You old people sure have some strange ideas of what looks good<<

I'll try and explain without meaning to offend. The extremity of the styling of most radical customs says in some way; 'You pussies might not like it - but I do and I can afford not to give a f*ck'.

That's cool. When you grow up you'll understand :-)

[Headbanger]

I'd say as seriously as these guys.
http://www.confederate.com/cm4/index.php

Those guys are making art. I wouldn't compare the two.

[Big Dave]

I wouldn't compare the two.

Because your head is up your arse for some reason? :-P

You don't see the genius in the core doing 4 or 5 jobs and the overall styling is a nice execution of a minimalist/simple bobber with modern tech? Sure works for me.

[GOONR]

I'd say as seriously as these guys.
http://www.confederate.com/cm4/index.php

I'd be more than happy to have any of those in my garage, very cool machines.

[Big Dave]

I'd be more than happy to have any of those in my garage, very cool machines.

I don't like the one with the forks like flared pants in the wind. Other two are max schwing.

[Headbanger]

Because your head is up your arse for some reason? :-P



Yes.

That is my genius.


It also works for victory.

[Headbanger]

I don't like the one with the forks like flared pants in the wind. Other two are max schwing.

I think its saved by all the bodywork under the engine, I dig it, and all the close up/detail shots are stunning.

[Pixie]

Lack of rear suspension indicates it is a yank wank.
Piece of shit

[Corse1]

Never liked the bobber style but that Victory has some pretty cool engineering. Be alright in the bar as a discussion piece...thats about it but hey evolution is a process. They could take some of the engineering and apply it to something that might be more visually appealing.


Designing and making shit like that would be a pretty cool job though.....as i sit at my desk chasing pricks who wont pay their bills :angry:

[Ferkletastic]

Victory definitely know their target market. Their names are hilarious. Core, Kingpin, 8Ball, Hammer...

New models for summer: the Victory Cock, the Victory Bigballs and the Victory I'mlikesomanlyImeancomeonlookatthese sweetchapsandtasslesletsgotothecafeandtalkabouthow badasswearebrapbrapbrapbrap.

From a pure design point of view I do have a lot of admiration for the brand mind.

[imdying]

What's it ride like Mr? Looks the business :yes:

[R6_kid]

You don't see the genius in the core doing 4 or 5 jobs and the overall styling is a nice execution of a minimalist/simple bobber with modern tech? Sure works for me.

It's almost in the same vein as the Britten V1000 but for a different market and application.

[Mental Trousers]

That bike and the Confederate Hellcat are what American bikes should look like. Bleeding edge tech, aggressive styling and not a fucken tassle in sight.

[wysper]

That is a nice bike. I wonder what it would cost if put into production. I guess the fact that I asked means I couldn't afford it.

[davebullet]

The exhaust / tail pipes seriously lets the Core down. They look like an afterthought.

[Headbanger]

Unlike the seat and rear suspension.......

Building a bike as art is one thing (and to be applauded, more bikes should be works of art) but to build it with zero consideration for the ride/rider (even if its never to be ridden) is just a total wank job.There are something that just can't be ignored if the damn thing is meant to be a bike.

[Big Dave]

>>Total wank job<<

You are so missing the point.
It's a one-off show bike - and like a show bike has never had a rigid frame and a crap seat before?
It's a promotional vehicle - made for publicity - a design exercise. A demonstration of 'possibility' and mastery of casting technology.
It would never get registered here with those pipes, lights, lack of mudguards or number plate rack either.

Suspension travel is incidentally one of the prime criteria in the design of the new Tourers

[Headbanger]

I get the point, That's what I was referring to as a wank job.

I'm not asking you to share my viewpoint, If you dig it then you dig it. You have your reasons.

Now try to refrain from talking down to people who don't share your opinion.






Especially to those of us who are superiour.

[Big Dave]

Now try to refrain from talking down to people who don't share your opinion.


Down - I haven't even approached the horizontal. It's endearing Australian directness correcting your obvious error, you big marshmallow. :girlfight:

Gotta be ferkin'ardarse for them rigids.

[bent12]

Or my ego is massive so please stroke me

[Big Dave]

Absolutely. Motorcycles are all about ego - otherwise we'd all ride DR650s or Scooters for practicality.

[DMNTD]

Different rims and a winning Lotto ticket would mean I'd find a space in my garage in a sec

[AD345]

I likes it

But then, I would

[Big Dave]

I likes the new Ness Hammer, King Pin 8 Ball and Cross Roads too.

[AD345]

I likes the new Ness Hammer, King Pin 8 Ball and Cross Roads too.

Two of the boys pick up their Cross Countrys in the next day or so

I'm heading down in about an hour for another mate to pick up his new Vegas 8-ball. I see that the Hammer 8-ball didn;t even last a week on the floor!

I didn't know there was a Ness Hammer though?

[Big Dave]

I'll check - maybe I have it confused with a Kingpin.

Edit - yea - it's a Jackpot.

[Big Dave]

Personally the Cross Country has too much bodywork for me.
I took the windscreen off the Cross Roads and it pushed my buttons nicely.

[Grubber]

>>You old people sure have some strange ideas of what looks good<<

I'll try and explain without meaning to offend. The extremity of the styling of most radical customs says in some way; 'You pussies might not like it - but I do and I can afford not to give a f*ck'.

That's cool. When you grow up you'll understand :-)

Na it doesn't say that! What it says is "you see this absolute shit looking bike that you can buy for bucket loads of cash. How stupid am i?"

[Pixie]

That bike and the Confederate Hellcat are what American bikes should look like. Bleeding edge tech, aggressive styling and not a fucken tassle in sight.

I would have thought suspension ( having some ) was "bleeding edge tech"

[Big Dave]

Na it doesn't say that! What it says is "you see this absolute shit looking bike that you can buy for bucket loads of cash. How stupid am i?"

Ah ha! But if the guy who spent his last cent on a used VT250 said that about a Daytona, do you care?

[dipshit]

I'll try and explain without meaning to offend. The extremity of the styling of most radical customs says in some way; 'You pussies might not like it - but I do and I can afford not to give a f*ck'.

So it is all about wank value then..???

[Headbanger]

Reminds me of this.....

208968

[Big Dave]

What are you up to AD345? - I'm might go have a look at the set up at their new dealer in Newmarket later this morning.

[Big Dave]

Reminds me of this.....

That's made by one of their splinter groups.

[dipshit]

Absolutely. Motorcycles are all about ego.

Get one of these then.... http://www.streetfire.net/video/frogman-tim-cotterills-rocket-ii-trike_2012550.htm

[Big Dave]

It would need one of these in an open face - prolly only weigh 15kg too.

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[AD345]

What are you up to AD345? - I'm might go have a look at the set up at their new dealer in Newmarket later this morning.

Bad timing mate - I had just left

However, if you are still so inclined I am going back again tomorrow...

[Big Dave]

I went in and said g'day. They were quite busy. Will call back during the week.

[Mental Trousers]

Hard tails don't have rear suspension!! That would be a styling decision, not a technology or practicality one.

There's still plenty of bleeding edge stuff in it.

[Headbanger]

The only reason for a hardtail on a new bike is to call into focus the era from which they came, to put it on a concept bike built to show case the bleeding edge of bike design is just a little short of retarded.

Twats might as well have put a jockey shift on it, and how about a foot clutch, and while they are there, a total loss oil system and counter-levered forks.

I wonder where the points are?, In there with the gravity assisted carburettor?



fuckin wooden seat arseholes.

[Big Dave]

It has had a lightly padded leather seat added as concession for youse Marshmallows.

[98tls]

The only reason for a hardtail on a new bike is to call into focus the era from which they came, to put it on a concept bike built to show case the bleeding edge of bike design is just a little short of retarded.

Twats might as well have put a jockey shift on it, and how about a foot clutch, and while they are there, a total loss oil system and counter-levered forks.

I wonder where the points are?, In there with the gravity assisted carburettor?



fuckin wooden seat arseholes. Cmon,you will be so busy checking out your reflection in the shop windows you will barely notice,worst comes to worst you could take off the bandanna and fold it up on the seat for a little padding,that or throw away the ridiculous rodeo chaps and buy proper leathers.

[avgas]

Lack of rear suspension indicates it is a yank wank.
Piece of shit
And what a lack of front suspension is what kiwi shit? Using a 30 year old engine to race current tech makes you crazy?

just to put it into perspective, sometimes one persons idea may be a bit left-field of norm. Doesn't make it worse.

Us kiwi's are great at pulling it off, however so are the Americans. Bashing them for it, is like shooting us in the foot too.

[avgas]

The only reason for a hardtail on a new bike is to call into focus the era from which they came, to put it on a concept bike built to show case the bleeding edge of bike design is just a little short of retarded.
Twats might as well have put a jockey shift on it, and how about a foot clutch, and while they are there, a total loss oil system and counter-levered forks.
I wonder where the points are?, In there with the gravity assisted carburettor?
fuckin wooden seat arseholes.
Or even dumber still make a bike that was super popular 40 years ago, except this time fix the problems.....

no wait that was the bonnie I was thinking of :P

[Big Dave]

I still see the point of interest about the bike remains the 'core'.
That the technology of the sand casting allows one lump of metal to be the frame and engine mounts, the air box, the steering head and the fuel tank. One component.
A pointer to possible futures - no doubt in more conventional vehicles for mass production.
The bike itself and the styling or the seat is irrelevant - other than the way it promotes discussion and subsequent awareness and even a following.

It's like the transmission on the DN-01. That alone makes it a notable and interesting vehicle.

[Headbanger]

Imagine how it wouldn't have sucked if they had put some awesome suspension on their "Hey look how impressive we are" bike.

Do we see Sports car manufactures releasing bleeding edge concept cars with no suspension?

Hell no.

Would we mock them if they did?

Hell yes.





I remain unimpressed.

[Big Dave]

concept cars with no suspension?

They just outlawed them in Christchurch.

[Headbanger]

They could always give it some awesomeness by putting a Triumph badge on it :shifty:

[Big Dave]

And get the Stranglers for the gig!

All your Shakespearos.

[98tls]

They could always give it some awesomeness by putting a Triumph badge on it :shifty:

For sure,that would work.Badges are everything to many,look at all the numbnuts that race out and buy the latest n greatest 1000cc sportsbikes,most of them never see a track nor are ever ridden anywhere near there limits,no matter for many just to be seen on such a thing is enough and on the occasions they are passed through the good bits by someone on a 3 year old 600 are easily forgotten if not witnessed by anyone.

[dipshit]

And what a lack of front suspension is what kiwi shit? Using a 30 year old engine to race current tech makes you crazy?

...???

What..???

[Pixie]

And what a lack of front suspension is what kiwi shit? Using a 30 year old engine to race current tech makes you crazy?

just to put it into perspective, sometimes one persons idea may be a bit left-field of norm. Doesn't make it worse.

Us kiwi's are great at pulling it off, however so are the Americans. Bashing them for it, is like shooting us in the foot too.

What has no front suspension?If I decipher your incoherence correctly.

[Big Dave]

Would nae matter if it was a springer or girder forks or had no front brakes.
It's a demonstration piece of what is possible and it has attracted Global attention for the brand - on an equally huge spend. Nice job. The wooden seat helped.
I don't think it's a viable vehicle at all, and agree with the critics as a road bike, but I still covet it. Less for each one produced.

This is kind of Arlen Ness does corporate. Are you familiar with Arlen's work? His book calls him the 'godfather of choppers' and a number of his creations I'd imagine are close to un-rideable, way beyond OCC even, but they are very valuable works of art. Lots see them as engineering sculpture. There is some of that (to use their corp-speak) 'DNA' here.

My personal preference to ride is a high performance tractor engine on pogo sticks. That or your UJM don't make the front cover of Gizmodo.

Most importantly I now have some good angles for the article. Thankyou linesman, etc etc.

[dipshit]

What has no front suspension?

I wonder if he is thinking about the Britain...???

<_<

[Headbanger]

This is kind of Arlen Ness does corporate. Are you familiar with Arlen's work? .

I hate everything he has ever done.

[Big Dave]

I hate everything he has ever done.

I'm sure he's completely devastated by this crushing news. I'll pass it on. They may even stop production.

[Headbanger]

That will be excellent Dave, You're a top bloke.:2thumbsup

[Big Dave]

awww it's nothing - not only that - I will use my enormous power and influence to have all future motorcycles made to resemble a speed triple. Kinda guy I am. :-)

[Headbanger]

And while your settings things right, How about a route map to accompany the ride reports in the magazine?

Perhaps with points of interest highlighted.

[Big Dave]

Any suggestions for some that I can use without breaching copyright welcome?
I have the ones from Tourism NZ but they are not detailed.

[Headbanger]

I was actually just thinking of google maps, with the route marked and a couple of the places mentioned in the corresponding article highlighted.

As I was thinking the map only needs to be small, then the less detail the better.


And if that is just retarded, bear in mind I know less about how your magazine should be then I do about bike design. :mellow:

[Big Dave]

It 'should' have maps - no argument - google prohibit reproduction in the small print - and last I priced a license from one of the local joints they were pretty pricey.

Pointing to them online might be an answer.

[Elysium]

Oh my gods......

[miloking]

Get one of these then.... http://www.streetfire.net/video/frogman-tim-cotterills-rocket-ii-trike_2012550.htm

Lol did you see how he had to lean sideways to see over the supercharger at some point...so this thing is not for short people (likely with self esteem issues) irony because only those guys will buy it...