NO MORE FUCKING CRASHING

[R6_kid]

i have seen a few other members gettind pifft'd at people crashing. For fucks sakes guys (and girls) lets a grip on this biking thing.

Its not a game and when you go on a group ride it is NOT A RACE - thats what track days are for.

In traffic, if you are going to split/filter do it at a suitable pace and keep you eyes out, you ARENT BEING SEEN so make sure YOU know WHERE YOU are.

Stop thinking about yourself and your cred/balls/rep. Take a second now and think of every person that will be affected you being in an accident. Family, friends, other people in the accident - their family (children) and friends.

Keep your bike in a good riding condition - its your responsibility - its your life on the line.

Everytime you get on your bike you are a target. Drivers wont see you, if you drive as such you will have a better chance of getting from A to B with no problems.

Personally i am getting sick of seeing "I crashed" "my bin" "ouch" "my poor bike" "give me sympathy".

C'mon guys stick to your own pace (keep it down) and watch out for yourself.

I am lucky enough to have mates that will tell me if they think my riding is a bit crazy, or atleast remind that i'm a target on my bike - it keeps me in perspective. Who does this for you? If you dont have someone doing it then do it yourself.

I apologize to anyone having a legitimate accident (not being their fault) but seeing lives, bikes and money go to waste is really starting to get on my nerve. And im only 18!!!

keep it safe guys,
G :niceone:

[Ixion]

Well said that man. Nana agrees :yes: , deal out an orang-utan

Peeps , keep the black squishy bits down,pink squishy bits up, always :ride:

[Waylander]

Damn just when I thought we were through this kinda stuff...

[R6_kid]

Damn just when I thought we were through this kinda stuff...

lol i know, why does everyone feel the need to publicise their misfortune?

is it sympathy they want or perhaps they feel a need to be laughed at?

i dont wanna be a granny or anything, just i come here to read about the good side of riding (with the black semi-race rubber compound side down). Not the other (* "oh shit, f**k" - earth, sky, earth, sky* side).

[pyrocam]

lol i know, why does everyone feel the need to publicise their misfortune?

is it sympathy they want or perhaps they feel a need to be laughed at?

i dont wanna be a granny or anything, just i come here to read about the good side of riding (with the black semi-race rubber compound side down). Not the other (* "oh shit, f**k" - earth, sky, earth, sky* side).

I think its because

a) its a pretty close knit community on here and people are interested in the details (or not)
b) I cant speak for other riders but I like to read those posts and learn from them
c) the internet was invented so people could sit at home and argue/rant anytime they wanted

but hey, just my 2c

(ps. internet wasnt invented for arguing. its for porn)

[Waylander]

lol i know, why does everyone feel the need to publicise their misfortune?

is it sympathy they want or perhaps they feel a need to be laughed at?

i dont wanna be a granny or anything, just i come here to read about the good side of riding (with the black semi-race rubber compound side down). Not the other (* "oh shit, f**k" - earth, sky, earth, sky* side).

Na mate I was talking about your post. Wrecks happen and as long as people can laugh about them then it's fine. If people take all wrecks seriously even the small ones where no one was injured and all then what's the point? Why not just stay home laying in bed doing nothing becouse you never know what could happen out there in the world. Shit happens may aswell deal with it and move on.

[Ixion]

Damn just when I thought we were through this kinda stuff...

Never will be, so long as people keep hurting themselves.

[R6_kid]

I think its because

a) its a pretty close knit community on here and people are interested in the details (or not)
b) I cant speak for other riders but I like to read those posts and learn from them
c) the internet was invented so people could sit at home and argue/rant anytime they wanted

(ps. internet wasnt invented for arguing. its for porn)

thought that might come up, and i understand what you mean (compsci 111 did teach me something after all).

I wanted to take the approach as a biker rather than a forum whore.
We do need to learn from other peoples mistakes but why not learn from those before us rather than those repeating the same again - i.e there are hundreds of books on it anyway (but this is cheaper so i lose anyway oh well)

the post is my 2c (or a few $$ as it may be)

[John]

Sorry to be a wet blanket but we went over this 50 bazillion times and it got old quick not being sad just yea I don’t want to blab about it..

I have had a shit load of bins it’s a learning process in SOME cases live with it, and dont expect sympathy<o:p></o:p>

[R6_kid]

waylander, i see what your saying there. Shit does happen, and people need to deal with it and i suppose that these forums are a good place for that. As some people have said however crashes are serious and you cant really look at it any other way. Some take it as part of the risk but i see it as something that in most cases can be avoided.

'little' crashes can be funny when they are at a blooper level but as the line says

"its only funny til someone (actually) gets hurt"

[R6_kid]

Sorry to be a wet blanket but we went over this 50 bazillion times and it got old quick not being sad just yea I dont want to blab about it..

I have had a shitload of bins its a learning process in SOME cases live with it, and dont expect sympathy

not taking a stab at you or any of the other faster riders on here.

I know that crashing in riding can be part of the learning process, BUT does it have to be? I've had one bin in 3 years of riding and I know exactly why it happend (i was being stupid).

Look at some of the more 'older' riders on here, some of them are up to 20-40yrs of riding with less than 3 crash's in the whole time... most of which happened a lot further down the line...

however on the other hand it is good to get 'those' habits ironed out while you are still learing to ride.

[John]

waylander, i see what your saying there. Shit does happen, and people need to deal with it and i suppose that these forums are a good place for that. As some people have said however crashes are serious and you cant really look at it any other way. Some take it as part of the risk but i see it as something that in most cases can be avoided.

'little' crashes can be funny when they are at a blooper level but as the line says

"its only funny til someone (actually) gets hurt"
NO CRASH IS FUNNY PERIOD

IF you have that attitude maybe you shouldn’t be riding, even dropping it isn’t funny – a bad attitude leads to a short life. <o:p></o:p>

[Waylander]

waylander, i see what your saying there. Shit does happen, and people need to deal with it and i suppose that these forums are a good place for that. As some people have said however crashes are serious and you cant really look at it any other way. Some take it as part of the risk but i see it as something that in most cases can be avoided.

'little' crashes can be funny when they are at a blooper level but as the line says

"its only funny til someone (actually) gets hurt"

I agree with you on the most part. I wish I could express this better but I see it as if you survive a wreck then great no matter how serious or silly it was. If you can't get up afterwards and laugh about it then you won't be riding long. You'll start worrying about wrecks more and more and then lose the enjoyment of riding. If you get up and take a deep breath then laugh about it you'll definately get back on and still enjoy riding. All wrecks have a lesson to be learned but I think the most important is how to get back on and enjoy riding. It may seem I have a fatalistic attitude but really it's just that if I'm gonna go while riding I'll atleast go doin something I love. Anyway Not sure if any of that makes sense but it's my 2 cents (american so it's worth more.:niceone: )

[R6_kid]

im starting to get off point here.

what i was trying to say is, dont accept crashes that happen due to poor judgement/attitude.

learning from those that do happen is a must

but

surely getting rid of the attitude or correcting the poor judgement in foresight has got to be better than having a sore ass, a broken bike and saying "gee i was going to fast for that one"

[Big Dave]

NO CRASH IS FUNNY. PERIOD



Dunno, I've had some offs on the dirt that the keystone cops would have been proud of.

[pyrocam]

NO CRASH IS FUNNY. PERIOD

IF you have that attitude dont ride, even dropping it isnt funny - how people die with that attitude.

Humor is a way that people can deal with things.

sometimes you just have to laugh at it.

eg. Ive just had a near death experience, I dont run up to people and start talking about my will, I make light-hearted conversation about it.

but again. 2c

[John]

not taking a stab at you or any of the other faster riders on here.

I know that crashing in riding can be part of the learning process, BUT does it have to be? I've had one bin in 3 years of riding and I know exactly why it happend (i was being stupid).

Look at some of the more 'older' riders on here, some of them are up to 20-40yrs of riding with less than 3 crash's in the whole time... most of which happened a lot further down the line...

however on the other hand it is good to get 'those' habits ironed out while you are still learing to ride.


It doesn’t have to be though that’s the point, if you crash and live you have lived to learn and are wiser for it, if you die I guess that either the odds were against you.

Facts of life is the beast realisation I'm afraid - everything involves risk.

I refute the idea of laughing at a crash, waylander I didn’t think you were to happy about your unfortunate incident, but what did you learn? You learnt that you must never ride on your limits on unknown roads (not picking you out, your the only one other than myself that has crashed), I realise that you may think that its healthy to laugh - I don’t think that is the case, every incident that you have could be your last - you must analyse what went wrong and you MUST make sure it never happens again, if it was something outside your control figure out a way to prevent it..

Posting an incident report on the site will spark provocation obviously, everyone sees it different, I post mine in the hope that someone will learn something from my incident and save them from meeting a similar fate.<o:p></o:p>

[Ixion]

Na mate I was talking about your post. Wrecks happen and as long as people can laugh about them then it's fine. If people take all wrecks seriously even the small ones where no one was injured and all then what's the point? Why not just stay home laying in bed doing nothing becouse you never know what could happen out there in the world. Shit happens may aswell deal with it and move on.

Because even the small ones where no one was injured could just as easily be the big ones where someone dies.

Every time someone crashs they're offering themselves as a sacrifice to the biker gods. No-one can crash on the road and guarantee they're going to walk away from it. There is always the chance that the Biker Gods will be feeling shitty that day. And when that happens it means grief and sorrow for people who didn't ask for and have done nothing to deserve it. Spouses, wives, mothers, fathers, kids who won't ever ride with dad,loved ones, friends. They're they ones who have to "deal with it".

Of course motorcycling is dangerous. We all accept that. That doesn't mean we can stick our heads in the sand , say "shit happens so who cares". Means that we say "Tis dangerous - but only to the extent that my vigilance care experience and determination NOT to crash can't prevent it"

It's the difference between the amateur and the professional. The professional doesn't take needless risks. Yes, "shit happens" but professionals minimise the opportunity for the shit. Both professionals and amateurs may crash. Only the amateur will think it's a joke. The professional will think "I stuffed up. By the Grace of my gods I'm still alive. How can I make sure I NEVER do that again"

None of us can ever be too often reminded that we owe it to those who love us to TAKE CARE.

[John]

Humor is a way that people can deal with things.

sometimes you just have to laugh at it.

eg. Ive just had a near death experience, I dont run up to people and start talking about my will, I make light-hearted conversation about it.

but again. 2c

Big difference to what you are all implying, you cant honestly say that you can laugh about hitting a car head on, sure you can be light hearted about it - but you can 'laugh' that’s just really playing with fate, I also know that humour helps our mind send out endorphins in our brain? or a similar chemical I cant be sure I know I heard similar somewhere that effects the operation and memory of the brain don’t know how cock and ball it is but yea, thinking about a crash is a much better idea, that way not only your subconscious will remember the incident but your active mind will also there by providing you with a two fold protection against further incident<o:p></o:p>

[John]

It's the difference between the amateur and the professional. The professional doesn't take needless risks. Yes, "shit happens" but professionals minimise the opportunity for the shit. Both professionals and amateurs may crash. Only the amateur will think it's a joke. The professional will think "I stuffed up. By the Grace of my gods I'm still alive. How can I make sure I NEVER do that again"


You said it better than me :niceone:

[John]

Dunno, I've had some offs on the dirt that the keystone cops would have been proud of.
Well go buy yourself a sticker..

[Waylander]

I may be puting out the wrong image here. I know that wrecks arn't funny but being able to laugh about it makes it easier to ride again. Maybe I am a fatalist but that's just me. You people can think what you want but for me I'll just live, laugh and learn.

[N4CR]

If people take all wrecks seriously even the small ones where no one was injured and all then what's the point?

The point is that if a crash/bin/drop happens (esp on the road) it is almost always serious.. - even a stationary drop where some truck might be a while away coming towards and intersection and the light goes green.. he is expecting you to move off.. you can't now as you just dropped your bike infront of him while clutching badly.. what happens next when he is too close to stop?

If you are being a dumbarse on a farmbike and trying to jump cow shit or something stupid for you mates and end up getting a facefull... of course it will be funny untill you end up with a broken arm from doing it another time.

What I'm trying to say is that all crashes/bins/drops/../../.. no matter what can be potentially dangerous and should taken seriously!

edit: seems like ixion said the same thing while writing this :whistle:

[John]

Humour is a way that people can deal with things.

Sometimes you just have to laugh at it.

eg. I’ve just had a near death experience, I don’t run up to people and start talking about my will, I make light-hearted conversation about it.

But again. 2c


I have had two very near deaths this year, both bike riding - I don’t even like to talk about them, sure that maybe me - still don’t think making wise cracks will help you, just makes you feel wiser than you are.

I will share the crashes just for you, I was hit by a car at an intersection when they drove into me, that was very serious - got no help was left in the middle of the busiest intersection trying to help myself..

2nd, I even prayed when I saw the dog, when I hit the dog - I pretty much new I was either going to die or be very lucky, there were cars in front and one behind rather close and it was dark, I'm glad that they managed to see my bike light (the one behind) or else I was road meat, and the fact that when I was knocked out I am glad I wasn’t thrown in the other lane..

I thank the biker lords every time I go for a ride, I respect the road and it gives it back when I deserve it, crazy? No just sensible - if you know that you can die you act a hell of a lot more responsibly.<o:p></o:p>

[Big Dave]

Well go buy yourself a sticker..


I'm in,....what sticker?

[John]

I'm in,....what sticker?
Well its up to you but suggestions I have are:

'I impressed an officer of the law'

Or preferably one of those little 'stars' with 'I am a star’ written in them, that would suit you to a dime.

[pyrocam]

your point is respectfully taken John.




Well its up to you but suggestions I have are:

'I impressed an officer of the law'

Or preferably one of those little 'stars' with 'I am a star’ written in them, that would suit you to a dime.

can you get one that says 'gold star boy'

[John]

Yea I would like to say I was abit harsh in all that, I mean it respectfully I just cant stand hearing of a death then people joking about crashes that is all, main point be carefull out there.

Everyone has a valid point (including BD needing a sticker) its all valid.

[R6_kid]

Everyone has a valid point (including BD needing a sticker) its all valid.

i think we all need stickers for posting this late at night....

but cheers to Ixion - summed up what i was trying to say :niceone:

and john too (he needs a really big puuuurdy sticker :msn-wink: )

[Big Dave]

Well its up to you but suggestions I have are:

'I impressed an officer of the law'

Or preferably one of those little 'stars' with 'I am a star’ written in them, that would suit you to a dime.

ha!
Legend in me own lunchbox, mate.
'If there is anything bigger then my ego around i want it caught and shot immediately.'

[John]

ha!
Legend in me own lunchbox, mate.
'If there is anything bigger then my ego around i want it caught and shot immediately.'
Now that’s modesty for ya.

[Motu]

ADVrider has a Face Plant forum for the crash reports - keeps them seperate from the rest of the site...I never go there,I don't read about crashes....I keep negatives out of my brain.

[John]

ADVrider has a Face Plant forum for the crash reports - keeps them seperate from the rest of the site...I never go there,I don't read about crashes....I keep negatives out of my brain.
I like where your going with that?..

[Two Smoker]

Im going to keep posting my crashes.... and there are MANY more to come...

Also some crashes are funny (a very select few) such as Dangerous looping it... and me highsiding a CT110... all very slow, and while being dickheads only hurting ourselves...

[John]

I think that going on what motu said that it maybe a real good idea for a 'crash forum' where one could bitch and moan in there own little forum save filling up 'general biker ravings', becuase in doing that learners can look at how a majority of incidents happened and learn (??) from them by example to an extent?..

Just an idea, as for those CT's god they are more fun than crashing a CBRR they are just so rugged and fun to try crash/jump...

[R6_kid]

i support the idea of a 'crash' forum. Would definitely help to keep ppl like myself contained and not ranting as i have been :nono:

who do we go to about this? SpankMe?

[Big Dave]

i support the idea of a 'crash' forum.


I'll second that. I don't come in here to 'share pain' - yet i respect the need for folks to vent.

[Pixie]

Big difference to what you are all implying, you cant honestly say that you can laugh about hitting a car head on, sure you can be light hearted about it - but you can 'laugh' that’s just really playing with fate, I also know that humour helps our mind send out endorphins in our brain? or a similar chemical I cant be sure I know I heard similar somewhere that effects the operation and memory of the brain don’t know how cock and ball it is but yea, thinking about a crash is a much better idea, that way not only your subconscious will remember the incident but your active mind will also there by providing you with a two fold protection against further incident<o:p></o:p>
Endocannabinoids relieve the stress.Adrenaline reinforces the learning/memory process,endophins relieve the pain.
The subconscious mind processes virtually all sensory inputs but the conscious mind may or may not retain it as a conscious memory.
The last thing I can remember of my recent collision was thinking "This will hurt",as it happened it didn't but I still have a one second memory lapse ,probably due to sensory overload.

[John]

Endocannabinoids
Creative - I have the marketing covered .. You can work R&D .. still positions open.

[loosebruce]

No promises, but yee gods my annual crash cash fund is getting a bit stretched already :no: so i'd better keep it upright for a while yet.

[250learna]

if you crash, for you its a big thing, you are glad to be alive and that your bike is not too damaged, or you are fucked up in a hospital and your bike is munched, in either case to you this is a big event.
Would you go home, put the bike in the garage put your gares away and not tell your partner or parents that anything happened? would you not tell your friends that you had an accident?
I know i would, I might not be proud of it, it might be my fault or it might not be but I would choose to share this with some people in my life. And unfortinutly for you guys, you fall into that group. :yes:
I dont support the, cool i just had an accident attitude that i had a chance to experiance from a good friend of mine a week or so ago, because lets face it, if you think crashing is cool your a fucken idiot. :mad: ... as i told my friend.
I dont like it, i dont look forward to it, i take what i can from the experiance and then i share it with you lot, than you guys tell me what you know and think, if you dont like that let me know because then this is obviously not the forum i thought it was.

[MSTRS]

"its only funny til someone (actually) gets hurt"
Most of us don't deal very well with tragedy & often use humour as a way of not thinking about what happened/could have. We all know that bikes are at the top of the list for danger and, idiots aside, we normally do all we can to reduce the risk to ourselves. When it does go bad, human nature tries to ensure that we make light of it in some fashion. Only the idiots out there don't learn from their experience.
Your quote continues on to say "and then it's hilarious"

[vifferman]

Look at some of the more 'older' riders on here, some of them are up to 20-40yrs of riding with less than 3 crash's in the whole time... most of which happened a lot further down the line...
I had a few crashes in my first two years of riding, nothing serious, until I totalled my first bike T-boning a car that didn't give way. Luckily, it was just cuts'n'bruises.
No incidents at all on my second through fourth bikes (I'd learned some stuff, some of it from lots of off-road riding). That changed when I came to D'Auckland, when I nearly got squished by a bus, the first day commuting by bike. I had four crashes on my fifth bike, none of which were "my fault", but all of which were avoidable. One crash on #6, which was my fault, very stupid, and very minor.

I've never binned on the highway - all my crashes have been around town; three involved cars not seeing me, one was a pedestrian not seeing me, and one was a squashed soft-drink can that didn't see me (and I didn't see him until I'd lowsided).

[XP@]

So, let's accept the fact that people crash.
and that some of us want to learn from them.

I have already mooted that we should have a survival skills forum in here
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12327

[FROSTY]

It's the difference between the amateur and the professional. The professional doesn't take needless risks. Yes, "shit happens" but professionals minimise the opportunity for the shit. Both professionals and amateurs may crash. Only the amateur will think it's a joke. The professional will think "I stuffed up. By the Grace of my gods I'm still alive. How can I make sure I NEVER do that again"
By professionals I would guess you are refering to -motorcycle racers? Or perhaps to bike cops and couriers??
Given that you mean racers you couldn't be more wrong.
The way to win races is to explore the limits of tyre stick.of handling and of riding ability.
The point is this is done during PRACTICE and in a controlled enviroment.
Finding out 'what your bike can do' should be the same

[Waylander]

Most of us don't deal very well with tragedy & often use humour as a way of not thinking about what happened/could have. We all know that bikes are at the top of the list for danger and, idiots aside, we normally do all we can to reduce the risk to ourselves. When it does go bad, human nature tries to ensure that we make light of it in some fashion. Only the idiots out there don't learn from their experience.

There we go that's what I tried to say.

[Biff]

NO CRASH IS FUNNY PERIOD

IF you have that attitude maybe you shouldn’t be riding, even dropping it isn’t funny – a bad attitude leads to a short life. <o:p></o:p>

Hmmm. I know what you're getting at, but some crashes are funny. But these are the ones people walk away from relatively unscathed, and normally where very little damage is done to the bike. As paying out a load of cash isn't, in my book, funny.

I laugh at my recent bin at Ruapuna. I even take delight in showing off and telling epople about my misfortune. I messed up. I wasn't seriously hurt and I had a good laugh about it with some mates later. I could have been seriously hurt, but I wasn't. And the bin, despite the fact it resulted in the BiffBird Mk I being written off, has cost me very little money.

I'd be interested to hear Speed Medic or Riff Raff's opinions about making light of serious matters/accidents. The reason being that over the years I've spent some time with paramedics in the UK and on several occasions I've been present when they've returned to their station having just attended some pretty gruesome traffic accidents. These individuals would make light of these crashes in an obvious attempt to cope with the pretty traumatic events they'd just witnessed. But this didn't, in my mind, undermine their level of professionalism.

It's natural to laugh for lots of reason. And laughing at ones self is a positive thing in my book, providing that the experience of crashing is ultimately taken seriously and lessons are learn
t.

[Ixion]

By professionals I would guess you are refering to -motorcycle racers? Or perhaps to bike cops and couriers??
Given that you mean racers you couldn't be more wrong.
The way to win races is to explore the limits of tyre stick.of handling and of riding ability.
The point is this is done during PRACTICE and in a controlled enviroment.
Finding out 'what your bike can do' should be the same

No, I wasn't referring to racers. Racing is a whole other game. You are deliberately pushing to the edge of the envelope and sooner or later a bit beyond. Some crashs are inevitable on the track. But even there I think the professional element is present . Maybe even more so. No racer is going to regard a crash as a good thing in itself. If for other reason than that it usually means you have no chance of winning. And a risk of a broken bike to put you out of the next race also. A professional racer will certainly crash. He won't be pleased at doing so (nor will his team manager). He will analyse the reason he crashed, see if he can improve anything as a result. He certainly won't treat it as a joke.

A racer isn't out on the track to crash. He's out to win races. He will certainly minimise the likelihood of crashs. Suppose you're going out in practice to see if your new tyres are better or worse than before. I'll bet you make sure your suspension is fully sorted , and your brakes working properly, right ? Would you go out with hydraulic fluid leaking onto your tyre ? Racers I've known are absolutely fanatical about making sure that everything on the bike is absolutely spot on. Nothing left to chance. And they will often be quite anal about recording each change and the effect it has. Sure, sometimes in this process they'll crash in practice. Sometimes the only way to know that you've reached a limit is to go over it. Remember I said "needless" risks But if they crash it won't be because they don't care about crashing.

A rider on the road isn't there (hopefully) to crash either. And I think that every rider can approach riding in a professional manner. Which means minimising the likelihood of crashing, within the bounds you've set.

If an experienced rider decides he wants to ride a section of road really hard, that's his decision. He's experienced, he knows his limits, and if he knows and accepts the risk that he may go to far and crash. That's a whole different philosophy to not caring about crashing.

All motorcycling is dangerous, with an inherent risk of crashing. A professional approach can minimise the risk of crashing. The risk always remains, and the degree of risk is something that every rider has to decide for himself. Sometimes the degree of risk deemed acceptable will end up with a crash. More so on the track than on the road. But treating a crash as a joke is amateur, on the track or off it.

[jaybee]

well said , this guy is only 18 and his head screwed on , it aint rocket science , we aint unbreakable and built of stell like we think we are ............ keep it safe guys and gals