Tickets for 4km/h over the speed limit this Queens Birthday weekend

[tomobedlam]

This should be interesting.

"Police will be out in force over the holiday period and will prosecute every driver caught more than 4km/h over the speed limit to help deter unsafe driving which puts lives at risk."

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html

[Bald Eagle]

This should be interesting.

"Police will be out in force over the holiday period and will prosecute every driver caught more than 4km/h over the speed limit to help deter unsafe driving which puts lives at risk."

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html

they need to make budget before the end of the financial Year.

[cowboyz]

fucking muppets!

What will their excuse be if anyone dies on the wekend this weekend now?

[Tunahunter]

My speedo is out by about that much

[neels]

fucking muppets!

What will their excuse be if anyone dies on the wekend this weekend now?
People not concentrating on the road in front?

Because they were too busy looking at their speedo to make sure they didn't get a ticket for drifting slightly above the speed limit?

Because they know there will be a cop parked at the bottom of the slightly downhill bits of road where people routinely drift a bit over the limit?

[Devil]

That is absolutely pathetic.
They should be concentrating on busting people not driving/riding to the conditions, not some abitrary fucking speed limit.

[SMOKEU]

If you go fast enough then their radar guns can't get an accurate reading on your speed.

[Sentox]

Maybe they're just saving up money to buy the Queen a nice present.

I have to ride from Wellington to Hawkes Bay this weekend. Ironically, now that I'll have to constantly check my speedo, I'll have less attention on the road itself.

[imdying]

My speedo is out by about that muchIf you're running the stock gearing, then it'll be high, so you're fine. If you're not running the stock gearing, then that's a problem of your own making and you should fit a healer to calibrate it.

[T.W.R]

If you go fast enough then their radar guns can't get an accurate reading on your speed.

:laugh:

had a mate loose his licence for that back in 1990, licence gone for 12mths due to speed estimated in excess of 180km/h. That and the fact the cops blocked the road at the of the motorway by the Peg pub to catch him :shutup:

[Vinz0r]

Hello Imdying, that's two OCNZ people I have seen on here now.

[CookMySock]

If you're not running the stock gearing, then that's a problem of your own making and you should fit a healer to calibrate it.Amen brothah!
<img src="http://www.sedonasoulsongs.com/images/Healing%20touch%20pic.jpg">


Steve

[Coldrider]

All revved up for the weekend, adrenalin flowing, persuits, U turns.........

[miloking]

This should be interesting.

"Police will be out in force over the holiday period and will prosecute every driver caught more than 4km/h over the speed limit to help deter unsafe driving which puts lives at risk."

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html

yeah because all the deadly accidents are caused by people doing 55km/h...didnt you know that???

Lets see how many motorcyclists will cops kill this weekend with their Uturns...

[firefighter]

That, is bollocks. Fucken glad i'm working to be honest.

Good luck passing the guy that speeds up when you go to pass him now.......

[Smifffy]

I think it's fair enough, either the limit is 50, 70, 100 or whatever. Or it isn't. My prediction for the long weekend if this is enforced as advertised:

Road toll: No Change
Respect for POPO: Measurable reduction
POPO press release: Unprecedented success

When middle NZ who haven't had a ticket in years start getting em for 4 and 5 km over, I don't think they'll be happy. Particularly when they are more than likely to have had an unpleasant brush with a boy racer or two on the same trip. Maybe everybody should stay home and work this weekend - like me ;)

Howzabout a blitz on unpaid fines?

[Mudfart]

go judith collins, your making a positive difference and improving everyones lives.
not, gtfo of parliament. at the very least, you make enough money to get your upper lip waxed.

[miloking]

go judith collins, your making a positive difference and improving everyones lives.
not, gtfo of parliament. at the very least, you make enough money to get your upper lip waxed.

I knew i shouldnt have written her that email regarding the road toll two weeks ago...look what 'ive done....

[p.dath]

My personal guess is the weather will have a bigger impact than any marginal speed reduction. Especially when you consider the average speed is already below 100km/h thanks to most modern speedo's having a deliberate 6% error at 100km/h.

[blackdog]

If you're running the stock gearing, then it'll be high, so you're fine. If you're not running the stock gearing, then that's a problem of your own making and you should fit a healer to calibrate it.

for WOF/compliance purposes a speedo is only required to be accurate within +/- 10%!

[Hiflyer]

Yay can't wait to pay for a meaningless ticket. I'd kick up a stink about this, usually don't if I'm speeding knowingly cos that just comes wit the speed. This is bullshit though.

Not only for bikes but car drivers as well.

[Bassmatt]

for WOF/compliance purposes a speedo is only required to be accurate within +/- 10%!

Ive been through this with Kawasaki NZ, LTSA, and Consumer. There are NO parameters for speedo accuracy in NZ as long as it reads under your actual speed. Kawasaki NZ were not interested in doing anything about a speedo on my wifes brand new bike unless it read less than 86km/h while traveling at 100km/hr. Wankers.

[Katman]

The only thing the WOF manual says about the operation of the speedo is that it must work as intended.

It doesn't say anything about the degree of accuracy required at all.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I think it's fair enough, either the limit is 50, 70, 100 or whatever. Or it isn't. My prediction for the long weekend if this is enforced as advertised:

Road toll: No Change
Respect for POPO: Measurable reduction
POPO press release: Unprecedented success

When middle NZ who haven't had a ticket in years start getting em for 4 and 5 km over, I don't think they'll be happy. Particularly when they are more than likely to have had an unpleasant brush with a boy racer or two on the same trip. Maybe everybody should stay home and work this weekend - like me ;)

Howzabout a blitz on unpaid fines?



My business partner got a ticket for 62kph (in a 50): its a 4 lane 50 with no side streets and the de facto speed limit is in fact 60 (it becomes 60 a bit further up the road). If ever there was a definition of a revenue collection ticket, this was it: and it has made a National voting, upper middle aged, white male pillar of the community and respected professional person openly say stuff like "Bah humbug, pure revenue collection" "what road safety imperative was served?" "all they want is money" "why arent they chasing real criminals" "What about the boy racer scumbags that drive around the streets" etc etc. He was (and the crucial point) remains bitter and angry.

He even didnt argue that forcefully with my often stated theory that "Speed is not dangerous, but sudden unexpected stops are".

[miloking]

The only thing the WOF manual says about the operation of the speedo is that it must work as intended.

It doesn't say anything about the degree of accuracy required at all.

Did your dumbas bosses realize (before announcing this farce) that difference between new and worn tyres on some vehicles can contribute to up to 2% difference in speedo reading??? Not to mention that there is chance that local tyre shop might have put larger tyre on your car without you neccesarily knowing when you decided to get new set???

*rhetorical question...i know they didnt because they want people to get caught*

[ckai]

I can just see all the cops sitting at the bottom of hills. EASY ticket. Can you imagine everyone going down hills starring at their speedo's? Brake lights blaring? Noes to tails?

I actually reckon they just want to make their quota for the next couple of weeks in one weekend, so they can go to Tahiti for their conference and still maintain their yearly quota. Clever thinking really.

The only way the cops will not do this in the future is if more accidents happen. If it's the same or less. VICTORY!! (Even though it will be a bloody miracle)

[firefighter]

I actually reckon they just want to make their quota for the next couple of weeks in one weekend

This is from the top.

The ones enforcing this tripe will enjoy it about as much as you and me........

[imdying]

Good luck passing the guy that speeds up when you go to pass him now.......Dude, you have GSXR750, he could put his foot flat and you'd still pass him with one hand scratching your behind!

for WOF/compliance purposes a speedo is only required to be accurate within +/- 10%!AFAIK not for WOFs; it's not in the vehicle inspection manual at least! Wouldn't be surprised for diesels though, as that's a tax issue.

Ive been through this with Kawasaki NZ, LTSA, and Consumer. There are NO parameters for speedo accuracy in NZ as long as it reads under your actual speed. Kawasaki NZ were not interested in doing anything about a speedo on my wifes brand new bike unless it read less than 86km/h while traveling at 100km/hr. Wankers.Well there you go then.

[blackdog]

The only thing the WOF manual says about the operation of the speedo is that it must work as intended.

It doesn't say anything about the degree of accuracy required at all.

hmm, must be oz then.

For a car, the international standards allow a speedometer to be higher by as much as 14km/h at 100km/h – which means your car is doing 86km/h when your speedo is showing 100km/h. For a motorcycle, 84km/h actual speed is allowed to read as 100km/h on the speedo.

source: http://www.consumer.org.nz/news/view/speedometer-accuracy

[John_H]

I would think that it's more dangerous to spend half the time staring at your speedo than going 4 kph over the limit.

[GOONR]

Did your dumbas bosses realize (before announcing this farce) that difference between new and worn tyres on some vehicles can contribute to up to 2% difference in speedo reading??? Not to mention that there is chance that local tyre shop might have put larger tyre on your car without you neccesarily knowing when you decided to get new set???

*rhetorical question...i know they didnt because they want people to get caught*

Do you think that Katman is a cop? :killingme

[dogsnbikes]

So glad Im working this weekend too,enjoy the twisties people and remember the danger zone is just below the creast of the hills

[miloking]

Do you think that Katman is a cop? :killingme

Not just cop but I though he is their spokesman?!

[davereid]

Just take them all to court.

Even if you lose, you win. A cop can write a 100 tickets a day if he can find a customer.

But if every one pleads not guilty and it goes to court, he loses a day. Then he can only write 250 a year.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yay! Making the roads a "safer" place yet again I see. "safer communities together" by having everyone look at a needle on a dial instead of the road... Fucking Zunes!!!

[tomobedlam]

Just take them all to court.

Even if you lose, you win. A cop can write a 100 tickets a day if he can find a customer.

But if every one pleads not guilty and it goes to court, he loses a day. Then he can only write 250 a year.

There might actually be something in that espcially at 100km/h when they are using their radar equipment. How accurate are they?

[PrincessBandit]

I think it sucks, but legally (emphasis is on the word legally) the speed limit is the speed limit. And before anyone gets their panties up their crack, I'm only saying what's law. There will be plenty of places for people to speed if they really want to where the police won't be sitting - ya just gotta guess where. Do ya feel lucky punk, well do ya......... (okay you have to imagine the Clint drawl on that one).

It will be interesting to see what impact, if any, this has on the road toll and whether there will be a "reveal all" at the end of it as to how many tickets were actually issued.

[vifferman]

I have no problems in the wife's car - the speedo's pretty accurate (overreads by only 2% at 100km/h). However, on the VFR, the speedo's in mph, with tiny km/h markings, which I discovered on Monday night are completely unreadable in the dark! Plus the 10km/h gradations are only a few mm apart, making it quite difficult to ride at a particular speed with any degree of certainty.

[rastuscat]

they need to make budget before the end of the financial Year.

Oh yeah Baby, all those tickets for $30 will make huge money, especially when it costs $27 to process each one. Way cool, revenue collecting at $3 a shot.

Yeah right.

[ukusa]

Oh yeah Baby, all those tickets for $30 will make huge money, especially when it costs $27 to process each one. Way cool, revenue collecting at $3 a shot.

Yeah right.

well maybe they should trim some of the fat, ie. pen pushing bureaucrats from the system. It costs my firm less than $2 to raise an invoice. Where the fuck does the $27 come from? Some fat lazy pig sitting on the side of the road for 8 hours a day eating donuts & drinking coffee & dishing out his quota in between. Is he writing so many tickets that hes's using 27 pens a day?

[MSTRS]

Oh yeah Baby, all those tickets for $30 will make huge money, especially when it costs $27 to process each one. Way cool, revenue collecting at $3 a shot.

Yeah right.

So, what's the point, then?
All this will do is make many more 'enemies' of the police. When a 'tolerance' has existed since before any of us were born to be altered just like that is counter-productive., and will do nothing for the road toll. Except for possibly increasing the carnage due to needle watching.
This is a/nother fail on the part of the cops.

[Katman]

Did your dumbas bosses realize (before announcing this farce) that difference between new and worn tyres on some vehicles can contribute to up to 2% difference in speedo reading??? Not to mention that there is chance that local tyre shop might have put larger tyre on your car without you neccesarily knowing when you decided to get new set???



I'll let my bosses know.

I've also passed on your registration number details to them. :niceone:

[AllanB]

Just ride everywhere at 80 this weekend - pretty sure that will cause more traffic issues that riding at 105 ...............

I remember when the speed limit was 80kmph! (it was rarely enforced too).

[FJRider]

for WOF/compliance purposes a speedo is only required to be accurate within +/- 10%!

I have NEVER seen a WOF/COF check to see if a speedodometer has been calibrated/accurate at all. Just to see if it works....

[steve_t]

I'll let my bosses know. Aren't you your boss Katman? So aren't you dumbass enough to realise that tyre shops often put the wrong size tyres on vehicles without the owner knowing? :laugh:

[neels]

AFAIK not for WOFs; it's not in the vehicle inspection manual at least! Wouldn't be surprised for diesels though, as that's a tax issue.No checks on speedo's for diesels either, I put a gps in my car a while back and the speedo reads 6k low at 100, so hopefully the odo is better or I'm paying 6% more for RUC than I should be.:(

[PrincessBandit]

Aren't you your boss Katman? So aren't you dumbass enough to realise that tyre shops often put the wrong size tyres on vehicles without the owner knowing? :laugh:

Shhhh, katman's having some fun......

[Chrislost]

This should be interesting.

"Police will be out in force over the holiday period and will prosecute every driver caught more than 4km/h over the speed limit to help deter unsafe driving which puts lives at risk."

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/24091.html

The answer to this is to make sure your wheelies stay at or below the speed limit, and to make sure that you pass that pesky truck thats doing 78 everywhere but the passing lanes, on a 35km./h blind corner so as to not exceed the limit by more than 4km/h

waa waa blah blah just take your plate/mirrors off and learn how to twist the wrist right back...

[FJRider]

Aren't you your boss Katman? So aren't you dumbass enough to realise that tyre shops often put the wrong size tyres on vehicles without the owner knowing? :laugh:

So what percentage of speeding infringement notices issued would be caused by this ... "issue" ?????? :blink:

[Ixion]

This could actually make things safer (in terms of tickets, not crashes). That tolerence is so fine that cops will pretty much have to radar every car that comes along. Instead of using instant on only on the ones that are clipping along. So Hector the Protector should be able to pick the cops up way early.

[FJRider]

No checks on speedo's for diesels either, I put a gps in my car a while back and the speedo reads 6k low at 100, so hopefully the odo is better or I'm paying 6% more for RUC than I should be.:(

Your GPS should be able to tell you that too ...

[grusomhat]

This could actually make things safer (in terms of tickets, not crashes). That tolerence is so fine that cops will pretty much have to radar every car that comes along. Instead of using instant on only on the ones that are clipping along. So Hector the Protector should be able to pick the cops up way early.

Probably the first sensible post in this thread. Hell I might even go for a ride this weekend just to test that theory.

[firefighter]

This could actually make things safer (in terms of tickets, not crashes). That tolerence is so fine that cops will pretty much have to radar every car that comes along. Instead of using instant on only on the ones that are clipping along. So Hector the Protector should be able to pick the cops up way early.

Do'nt suppose you have or know of any figures of how many vehicles crashed whilst going between 104-110km/h last easter?

Just wondering as they're using last easter as the reason, but i'm curious as to how many of the crashes were actually related to that speed. (not speeding in general/too fast for conditions, just those particular speeds).

Man i'm happy i'm working this weekend! (what's the bet I forget whilst riding home in the morning and get a ticket anyway!).

[FJRider]

This could actually make things safer (in terms of tickets, not crashes). That tolerence is so fine that cops will pretty much have to radar every car that comes along. Instead of using instant on only on the ones that are clipping along. So Hector the Protector should be able to pick the cops up way early.

It is the vehicles that are travelling faster than the general flow of traffic that attract the attention of "The Enforcer's" ... if it is only one vehicle that is "the flow" (and you're it) make sure your speedo is accurate . Well as least know how far out it is ...

[Kiwiburger]

Just learned the twats are going to reduce the 'tolerance' for speeding from 10km/h to 4km/h. Do the stupid fuckers never learn? Funnily enough, the road toll fell incessantly for decades until they reduced the 'tolerance' from a half-way reasonable 16km/h to 10. Then it stalled. It stopped going down and even went up slightly. They really are stupid, vindictive, narrow-minded cunts. I used to respect the police, i really did. But look at them: Bullying young girls into gang rapes, covering the truth, sending a taxi for Irene Asher, fit-ups that they'll never let go, refusing breath tests, shooting innocent people, piss-poorly trained and controlled police dogs attacking innocent bystanders and toddlers, beating up people on the street, beating up people in the cells, killing bikers with mental U-turns, loads of people chased to their deaths but they 'called off the chase seconds earlier, and not bothering to investigate child abuse cases so they could put more pigs out on traffic.

4 fucking kays. They'll nick thousands more and the road toll will go UP as drivers swicth off their attention even more. Just like the last reduction - a total failure. Was it Benjamin Franklin who said "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results'?

We should do something about this.

[FJRider]

Do'nt suppose you have or know of any figures of how many vehicles crashed whilst going between 104-110km/h last easter?


The 4 km/hr "limit" applies to ALL speed zones, not just the open road speed zone ...

[MIXONE]

And your suggestion on what to do is?

[firefighter]

The 4 km/hr "limit" applies to ALL speed zones, not just the open road speed zone ...

Yeah I know. I thought most of the crashes were on open roads.

Shit I know i'm going to get pinged. It is habit for me.

I think it's really shit of them to bring this out with short warning. It takes a long time to break habits, and they were even more tolerant of dickheads using their phones.

[Reckless]

Just ride everywhere at 80 this weekend -I remember when the speed limit was 80kmph! .

To late Allan, everyone already is???

Last few trips away with my dirt bikes on the ute I have noticed a huge amount of people traveling at 80k, seemly incapable, unskilled or scared to even attempt to keep to the legal speed limit even on the straights? And no body seems to have enough confidence to have a run up and pass either. All the 80k people seem to travel much closer together as well. Its all is starting to seem like a viscous circle is forming, possibly fueled by the constant barrage of propaganda.
Look don't get me wrong I'm not up their arses pushing them impatiently as the ute with 2 bikes and gear on is a bit sluggish and I'm happy to sit back listen to some good heavy rock and rest my brain up for the oncoming ride, rather than arriving all stressed out.
But I was actually wondering has the speeding message been banged home so hard people are now to blimming scared to travel at the speed limit anymore.
And is this now contributing to more accidents by making frustrated 100k people pass more often. I know, before you all get stuck into me "the onus is on the passing driver etc" but if you do something risky more often, the odds must increase you or someone else will make a misjudgment.
I can only think with the above 4k max in mind Mrs/Mr Jo-Bloggs trundling off on their once a year trip is going to keep her speed even more under the present limit to ensure she doesn't exceed the lower tolerance. Compounding things rather than traffic flowing at a good rate.
No matter what size tyres you have or what your speedo reads I wonder if the whole make people scared to be on the road thing is going to far??
Just a few thoughts but I hope you get my drift.

[rastuscat]

Go on, let us know what you want us to do.

Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it.

So there.

[FJRider]

Going 55 km's/hr in a 50 km zone you'll get pinged too ...

[PrincessBandit]

To late Allan, everyone already is???

Last few trips away with my dirt bikes on the ute I have noticed a huge amount of people traveling at 80k, seemly incapable, unskilled or scared to even attempt to keep to the legal speed limit even on the straights? And no body seems to have enough confidence to have a run up and pass either.



People travel at 80kph in the 100 zone all the time between Pukekohe and Drury. I have been known to grossly exceed the speed limit in order to get past a caravanserai them on the one "northbound" overtaking lane in that stretch. Of course I always do it incredibly sensibly...

[Kiwiburger]

Just learned the twats are going to reduce the 'tolerance' for speeding from 10km/h to 4km/h. Do the stupid fuckers never learn? Funnily enough, the road toll fell incessantly for decades until they reduced the 'tolerance' from a half-way reasonable 16km/h to 10. Then it stalled. It stopped going down and even went up slightly. They really are stupid, vindictive, narrow-minded cunts. I used to respect the police, i really did. But look at them: Bullying young girls into gang rapes, covering the truth, sending a taxi for Irene Asher, fit-ups that they'll never let go, refusing breath tests, shooting innocent people, piss-poorly trained and controlled police dogs attacking innocent bystanders and toddlers, beating up people on the street, beating up people in the cells, killing bikers with mental U-turns, loads of people chased to their deaths but they 'called off the chase seconds earlier, and not bothering to investigate child abuse cases so they could put more pigs out on traffic.

4 fucking kays. They'll nick thousands more and the road toll will go UP as drivers swicth off their attention even more. Just like the last reduction - a total failure. Was it Benjamin Franklin who said "The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results'?

We should do something about this.

[Smifffy]

I'd like you to start with implementing the reccommendations of the IPCA regarding the Pursuit policy and the prioritisation of child abuse cases over traffic enforcement, rather than having them refuted.

I'd also like to see payment of fines actually enforced, so that boy racers who rack up thousands get to pay the consequences as well as middle NZ who is 12 Km/hr over once in a while.

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker that's so much as 1 mg over the alcohol limit. I'd really like it if you removed every pile of shit car that has no wof & rego from the highways, since I'm all paid up. I really like the whole centreline idea, that's good - well done. If you really get stuck for something to do you could always go do that stuff that's in those heart-warming youtube vids we've seen a bit of lately.

I think the point is that the popo can't manage to stop the zoomy boys and girls that do +20 km/h so they have decided to target the slow movers in the herd.

That's what I want you to do, but I guess you don't think any of those are sensible.

Regarding the Easter road toll, I'd be interested to know from a crash investigation point of view, just what the degree of accuracy is for estimating the speed of a crashed vehicle using physical evidence. In my naievity I imagine that there are standards and studies for this type of thing, rather than 'educated' guesswork.



Go on, let us know what you want us to do.

Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it.

So there.

[FJRider]

I'd like you to start with ....

The tolerances of/for all you mentioned, will come down ... sooner than you may think ...

I think speed is the target of this "campaign" as most accidents are the result of more than one factor, when combined ... things turn pear shaped. Speed is seen to be the most common factor when an accident occurs...

If we all slow down, we will prove them wrong .... right ... ???

[Smifffy]

I think you're right (go put it in your sig quick - like DB), however I'd wager that the speed factor is not in the realms of 4km/h over, more like 24 km/h over, and there are plenty of invincible, bulletproof heroes that have no intention of slowing down this weekend, who may very well write off Mum, Dad & the kids on their way to see Nanna, even whilst Dad is behaving himself because he has a ticket in the glovebox for doing 54 through Tirau.


The tolerances of/for all you mentioned, will come down ... sooner than you may think ...

I think speed is the target of this "campaign" as most accidents are the result of more than one factor, when combined ... things turn pear shaped. Speed is seen to be the most common factor when an accident occurs...

If we all slow down, we will prove them wrong .... right ... ???

[Sentox]

It occurs to me that if only I could learn to be one of those people happy to roam the open road at 90kph and frustrate everyone stuck behind me without consideration, my life would be a good deal more blissful.

[EJK]

On the plus side, NZ Police is giving us +3kph allowance over the limit. Now the official speed limit is 103kph. Eh?

[Corse1]

I won't be one of the blokes head first in a ditch for trying to keep my speedo less than 105kph when there is only 6mm between 100 and 110!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wingnutt]

I have written email to the transport minister, pointing the shear stupidity of this police decision, any one interested here is the email address

s.joyce@ministers.govt.nz

cheers Bob

[wingnutt]

iI for one will not pay a bloody ticket for traveling at 106kph, hell a small slope wiil speed up a bike by 10kph, this nothing more that scalloping money off innocent drivers.

cops beware I will not be a happy camper if I'm pulled up for 106kph!

[scumdog]

Goodness, next thing the cops will be doing people for a breath alcohol level of 416mcgm - oh wait, they already do people for only 400, the legal limit, oh my!!

And we all know 400 is Really Dangerous (tm) whereas 399 is perfectly safe......:whistle:

And 104kph?
I don't give a shit, I won't be getting any tickets for that kind of speed....nor will I be dishing out any for the same speed either...:no:

[Katman]

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker that's so much as ........

Fuck yeah, me too.

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker on a motorcycle who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to travel everywhere at 240+ kph and leave me alone when I'm doing 120.

Pity it doesn't seem to work that way though.

[rastuscat]

There is something of a disconnect between the ones who wrote the policy and the ones who are meant to enforce it.

Oh dear.

[rastuscat]

Hmmmmmmmm................did I miss something?

Don't exceed the speed limit and you won't get a ticket for exceeding the speed limit.

Imagine that. Seems fairly straight forward.

Harumph.

[Katman]

Actually, you know what I'd like to see?

I'd like to see the cops that frequent this site, actually do something about the fuckheads who repeatedly boast on here (and post the video evidence) of their 240+ kph escapades.

The reality is that they do actually know who these clowns are so why the fuck isn't something being done about them?

[FJRider]

There is something of a disconnect between the ones who wrote the policy and the ones who are meant to enforce it.

Oh dear.

I dissagree ... the disconnect is between those who write the policy, and those who cause the policy ...

I have no doubt that this policy will be amply enforced ....

[Smifffy]

There is something of a disconnect between the ones who wrote the policy and the ones who are meant to enforce it.

Oh dear.

Change your tune much?

[dipshit]

Glad I got a radar detector.

[rastuscat]

Yes, I do have mixed emotions about the policy. I believe that people who get tickets have caused it themselves, as I'm something of a believer in personal responsibility.

Speed, get a speeding ticket, easy really.

However, I worry that having a policy that isn't quite what I would personally have written, I have personal conflict.

I'm human.

So there.

[Smifffy]

Once again I find myself agreeing somewhat. If I get pinged for 4km/h over, then I was doing it, and exceeding the posted limit. Just don't tell me that it will reduce the long weekend road toll, cos I ain't buying that.


Yes, I do have mixed emotions about the policy. I believe that people who get tickets have caused it themselves, as I'm something of a believer in personal responsibility.

Speed, get a speeding ticket, easy really.

However, I worry that having a policy that isn't quite what I would personally have written, I have personal conflict.

I'm human.

So there.

[rustic101]

Not going to dispute the Policy or its application!!!

However one rule for all.

If its good enough for Bob or Bobette to get a speeding ticket then Police who exceed the limit should be given the same.... Nothing, including Urgent Duty Driving exempts Police, Fire or Ambos to that rule.

Yet how many Emergency vehicles do you see exceeding the limit daily?

My rant over..

[Hinny]

Speed is seen to be the most common factor when an accident occurs...

By whom?

Statistically ( Australia and USA) 2% of highway deaths occurred when the motorist was exceeding the speed limit.
Speed is a factor in road deaths of course. If you were stationary there is little chance to die as a result.

The introduction of the Speed Kills policy has been shown to coincide with an increase in the road toll by up to 50% (Northern Territories).

Increasing speed limits have been shown to reduce road deaths.
Majority of States in US experienced reduced road tolls when speed limits increased.
Those States that retained the lower limits did not experience lowered road toll figures for the same periods.

If there is an increased road toll this weekend the head piglet should resign.
Belligerent disregard for empirical evidence showing the flaws of the proposed policy should be regarded as criminal negligence.

[Fatjim]

I'm not going out this weekend on the bike. It's just too dangerous with all those cops out there.

[Hinny]

Yay! Larry David - Curb your Enthusiasm, is on tonight.

[oldrider]

I think it's fair enough, either the limit is 50, 70, 100 or whatever. Or it isn't. My prediction for the long weekend if this is enforced as advertised:

Road toll: No Change
Respect for POPO: Measurable reduction
POPO press release: Unprecedented success

When middle NZ who haven't had a ticket in years start getting em for 4 and 5 km over, I don't think they'll be happy. Particularly when they are more than likely to have had an unpleasant brush with a boy racer or two on the same trip. Maybe everybody should stay home and work this weekend - like me ;)

Howzabout a blitz on unpaid fines?

The thrashings will continue until morale improves, or modern police interpretation; :mellow:

The tickets will continue until driving improves! :shifty:

Yep! That will do it, every time! :yes: Yeah right! :sick:

[FJRider]

Just don't tell me that it will reduce the long weekend road toll, cos I ain't buying that.

Restricting the sale of cigarettes to those over 18 wont stop all the smokers, smoking ... nor will raising the cost of cigarettes stop all them. But people are dying ... but each new law, each new policy, fewer people may die. Not today ... not tomorrow ... maybe not even this weekend. But fewer will die ...fewer caught up in factors and actions, that are instigated by others. Each new law ... each new policy .... another turn of the screw ...

I think a few more turns of the screw are still to come ... sooner than you may like ...

[AllanB]

Actually, you know what I'd like to see?

I'd like to see the cops that frequent this site, actually do something about the fuckheads who repeatedly boast on here (and post the video evidence) of their 240+ kph escapades.

The reality is that they do actually know who these clowns are so why the fuck isn't something being done about them?

While I see your point, I'd wager that those same cops are on here after work. After a shit of a day dealing with fuckheads and lame excuses and all that other crap they see during their day, and they are sitting down maybe having a beer or just finished putting a kid to bed, and have finished work for the day.

Alternatively they may figure they will see them on the road soon - probably all over the road!

Don't know, I'm not a cop, but I know that some days it is good to finish work and get on with other aspects of your life.

[Smifffy]

And we are supposed to sit here and enjoy each "turn of the screw"?

I don't believe that fewer people will die as a result of this policy. I believe that the number of people that die this weekend will be statistically similar to those that have died every other Queen's birthday weekend.

Go look up the difference of statistical signifigance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance) some time between now and next weekend.


Restricting the sale of cigarettes to those over 18 wont stop all the smokers, smoking ... nor will raising the cost of cigarettes stop all them. But people are dying ... but each new law, each new policy, fewer people may die. Not today ... not tomorrow ... maybe not even this weekend. But fewer will die ...fewer caught up in factors and actions, that are instigated by others. Each new law ... each new policy .... another turn of the screw ...

I think a few more turns of the screw are still to come ... sooner than you may like ...

[McJim]

We need to start crashing and killing ourselves at 20% under the posted speed limit so the gubberment will see sense and let our children's children ride at whatever speed they like due to "evidence" that shows riding too slowly can kill.

[Hoon]

I've got to do 2 x 4hrs trips this weekend. In my car on the open road I drive at 109kph as indicated by my GPS (about 115 on my speedo) and then set my cruise control to it. Happily driven past many cops and only once had one flash his lights at me. A little annoying now that I need to do 104kph but in the scope of things it probably isn't worth worrying about.

[Berries]

To me this sounds like the back door way of reducing the open road speed limit to 90km/h. Lower the tolerance, reduce the average speed, point out how 90km/h is the new average speed and if we lower the speed limit we will be fair to one and all and up the tolerance to 10%. Get it through, in a couple of years time reduce the tolerance again. A 90 or even 80km/h speed limit has been discussed, but I don’t think anyone would have the balls to come right out and introduce it so they get the police to do the dirty work instead.

Yes, anything over 100 is speeding, but traveling 5 to 10% over the speed limit is hardly trauma inducing on its own, compared to many other issues that are harder to measure/enforce, like fatigue for example, or old age, both of which I am sure contribute to more crashes than people in the 104 to 110km/h bracket. Can’t be proved though.

My speedo needle is 4km/h wide FFS. Well it would be if it wasn’t digital. Me ? I have always thought people with radar detectors were knobs, flouting the fact that they habitually speed rather than just getting on with it somewhere quiet. But I think I might be getting one. And if I start picking up demerits for the bike getting away from me to 105km/h on a downhill motorway then I’ll be reconsidering my personal position on doing a runner.

Think this one is going to go down like a turd in a sweetshop.


Regarding the Easter road toll, I'd be interested to know from a crash investigation point of view, just what the degree of accuracy is for estimating the speed of a crashed vehicle using physical evidence. In my naievity I imagine that there are standards and studies for this type of thing, rather than 'educated' guesswork.
I’d say that the guys who have been trained as proper crash investigators can get fairly accurate with their calculations if there is enough scene evidence. The problem is there isn’t that many of them, so the majority of crashes don’t have a proper scene examination and therefore the speed noted on the crash report has no real bearing on reality. It could be the view of the cop, or based on what the driver said, who isn’t going to admit speeding, or based on witnesses who wouldn't have a clue.

[Bulldog]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warning-speeding-fines-doing-105-km-h-3577672

[Swoop]

I'd rather you stopped & booked every fucker on a motorcycle who thinks it's perfectly acceptable to travel everywhere at 240+ kph and leave me alone when I'm doing 120.


I'd like to see the cops that frequent this site, actually do something about the fuckheads who repeatedly boast on here (and post the video evidence) of their 240+ kph escapades.

The reality is that they do actually know who these clowns are so why the fuck isn't something being done about them?
The difference is? You are both speeding, so get to wear the consequences of being taxed for daring to prove to them that speed, in fact, doesn't kill.

[Littleman]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

[GOONR]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warning-speeding-fines-doing-105-km-h-3577672

Extracted from the link above....


Police say claiming you have a faulty speedometer will not be an excuse.

"Vehicle condition is an individual choice so whip in, get it checked, that's what our advice would be," Rose says.

---------------------------

How much would it cost, rough gestimate, to get a speedo checked and calibrated?

Aren't speedo's generally accepted as being 'out' from the factory, if so we have bought faulty goods according to National Road Policing Manager Paula Rose. I wan't a refund on my car (sarcasm)

[steve_t]

Some great comments from AA man Mike Noon. Very sensible and more importantly logical I thought.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/warning-speeding-fines-doing-105-km-h-3577672

Does the cop standing in the bushes with his radar radio to someone down the road? Or does he have to jump in his car and give chase?

I dunno if this has already been answered but will there be demerit points associated with the 105km/h ticket?

[Ixion]

I see neither the point or the problem . Reality is that when travelling at normal open road speeds, or overtaking Doddery Enid , one has always risked a ticket. And the cost of the ticket has been based on exceeding 100kph, not 110.

Now one will have exactly the same risk as before and the penalty will ne exactly the same

The solution now as before is to regard travel on roads where cops are likely as the boring bit before and after the real riding. And to keep both Hector and the Mk I eyeball on the job.

The only people likely to be affected will be the idiots who smugly condemn speeding and crawl past the vehicle doing 95 at 110 . Now they'll crawl past at 104 , spend still longer on the wrong side of the road , crash and die . Hardly likely to be bikers so how sad too bad EDIT . Now if they had followed Australia and doubled the penalties, that *would* be bad.

[MadDuck]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

I must not hang out here enough these days.....no matter how much someone pisses you off on an internet forum with anal posts. This is so wrong.

[miloking]

Why doesn't Miloking go out and kill himself speeding this weekend and blow out the stats of this new initiative.

That'll show em.

I cant, got no demerit points left :( but i wont killmyself ever...it will be that housewife reversing from driveway while changing CD that will do it for me one day.... either way you are cunt (wishing death to someone), so go back to fucking your cousing or mum in Redvale and dont mention my name again (no hard feelings ok, we are all just a friends here arent we....:D)

[Headbanger]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3769925/No-more-excuses-5km-over-limit-is-now-too-fast

Apparently 5km over the speed limit and you're a killer.

Tell the cunts to get fucked, Give them the finger when you see them, and carry on travelling if the cunts try and tax you for 5km/h over the limit.

The fuckers are only able to do what we allow them to do, and if the public say no fuckin way you thieving cunts, then thats what happens. No one should be willing to put up with this shit.

[Mom]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3769925/No-more-excuses-5km-over-limit-is-now-too-fast

Apparently 5km over the speed limit and you're a killer.

Tell the cunts to get fucked, Give them the finger when you see them, and carry on travelling if the cunts try and tax you for 5km/h over the limit.

The fuckers are only able to do what we allow them to do, and if the public say no fuckin way you thieving cunts, then thats what happens. No one should be willing to put up with this shit.

Be interesting to see if there are any road fatalities this weekend.

[marty]

Oh I can't WAIT for Tuesday next week :)

:jerry:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be interesting to see what happens when you refuse to pay the fine and go to court. Just about ALL of the manufacturers allow 10% speedo inacuracy. I'll be telling them to fuck off.

[davereid]

Go on, let us know what you want us to do. Like, instead of just sitting and grizzling about what we are doing, actually have a sensible idea and maybe we'll try it. So there.

The sad thing about this, is that police are demonstrating just how keen they are to reduce the road toll. But how few options are available to them to really do something about it. I'm sure no one, not even anyone in the police thinks for a moment that writing tickets for 105 km/hr is actually going to save any one this weekend. Police are just very short of effective things they can do, so they are hoping that by being seen to do "something" that the outcome will be better.

The focus on speed will always be part of the picture, as there is no doubt that reducing average speeds saves lives. A 25km/hr open road speed limit would be a very effective life saver.

One of the things I would like to see police do, is focus on following distances. IMHO data that shows nose-to-ail accidents does not tell the entire story of following too close.

Particularly on the open road, I notice following to close cases an entire subset of extra problems. Like vehicles can't pass one car without being forced into a seriously small gap. Vehicles turning right or left off the road cause panic for the driver three-back who didn't see them indicate. Vehicles take a chance at entering from a give way cutting in front of me, as a motorcyclist is the closest thing to a gap that they have seen for 10 minutes.

So how about worrying less about the chap who does 115 passing Nana, and having a good look at following distances.

[firefighter]

What fucked me off is that stupid whores answer to that comment about the error in speedo, and pulled the "well it's up to the individual to ensure the condition of their vehicles, take it in and get it checked".

What a fucken mutt she is. That is the weakest, most shiite answer ever, it's as lame as saying that driving is a privelidge. Theoretically it is......but really it's not.

For starters, we are given two days to do it, so what, the whole of N.Z takes their cars, trucks, bikes somewhere to get their speedos checked?! That's literally impossible. Secondly, how fucken much is the cost of that, and who the hell does it? Two days to get the money together, and find the time to do it......sure lady.

Absolute rubbish answer to a rubbish idea. At least give us more of an opportunity to change our lifetime habits before enforcing it. The lifetime habit they encouraged too do'nt forget. How cellphones got a bit of leeway for the first couple of weeks and this gets enforced instantly is beyond me. (I realise it's just a weekend, but still, lifetime habits are hard to break/this should have been announced earlier).

My answer is simple, i'll be driving/riding at 20 under everywhere, especially if there's a cop behind me......maybe even slower then.

[duckonin]

May b a lot of aggression on the roads this weekend with slow drivers being in charge, no need to have your speedo checked just follow the crowd..

[spacemonkey]

Soooo, which WOF issuer will be the first to get sued for issuing a WOF when the car's speedo is out causing the plaintive to get a speeding ticket.......

[cheesemethod]

I wonder how much extensive research they did to decide that 104 was safe but 109 was dangerous and contributing to the road toll? I thought that time and time again they told us that failing to keep left was one of the biggest killers on the open road in NZ, especially on holiday weekends? Perhaps people were failing to keep left cause the fuckwit in front of them is doing 80km/h because they have seen one to many road safety ads and are paranoid about speed.

Also put your hand up if you've ever had somebody overtake you at the very end of a passing lane and almost force you off the road?

[firefighter]

Soooo, which WOF issuer will be the first to get sued for issuing a WOF when the car's speedo is out causing the plaintive to get a speeding ticket.......

None. WOF's are only useful for the second it was issued. They actually are kinda pointless, as they only apply to the time it's sitting at the testing station. As soon as you leave you could have modified it, so you have no come-backs on it.

I actually think WOFs are a waste of time now because of this.

[firefighter]

Fucken double fucken post.

[Scuba_Steve]

wanna decrease the road toll this weekend?, pull every scam operative off the road and get them to do the job we pay them for!. not only will you steeply decrease the road toll, but it'll also have a side effect of making the country a safer place.

[firefighter]

wanna decrease the road toll this weekend?, pull every scam operative off the road and get them to do the job we pay them for!. not only will you steeply decrease the road toll, but it'll also have a side effect of making the country a safer place.

Do you mean take all the cops off the road?!

[red mermaid]

Sometimes it is truely wonderful to go to work and receive instructions such as this topic via the computer...Yeah Right!

[The Pastor]

driver training? naaaaaa more tickets!

Why not use all the cops giving out speeding tickets to crack down on drink driving with more check points?

[Scuba_Steve]

Do you mean take all the cops off the road?!

no just all camera's & revenue gathering equipment i.e. radars/lasers, but definitely decrease the cops on the road but their will still be a few Zunes out there & we will need a few cops to sort them.

[firefighter]

Sometimes it is truely wonderful to go to work and receive instructions such as this topic via the computer...Yeah Right!

I do'nt envy that at all, but I know the feeling.

I'm glad i'm working and your probably wishing you were'nt!

[Scuba_Steve]

Their should not be any "speed" law, it should come under dangerous driving the speed law is just a cop out & an easy way to bring in the $$$ it's all it is!

Just Remember.
If speed killed Hammond would be dead.
The faster you go, the quicker you get there!

[Headbanger]

driver training? naaaaaa more tickets!

Why not use all the cops giving out speeding tickets to crack down on drink driving with more check points?

I'm thinking everyone with a license should automatically receive a speeding ticket and a drink driving charge.

Tickets save lives, so if everyone gets one, The problem is solved.

[NordieBoy]

but their will still be a few Zunes out there & we will need a few cops to sort them.

Microsoft personal music players are illegal?

[Scuba_Steve]

Microsoft personal music players are illegal?

:lol: they were that bad they should be, but no Zune - moron, idiot, retarded, stupid beyond belief etc

[FJRider]

And we are supposed to sit here and enjoy each "turn of the screw"?

I don't believe that fewer people will die as a result of this policy. I believe that the number of people that die this weekend will be statistically similar to those that have died every other Queen's birthday weekend.

Go look up the difference of statistical signifigance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance) some time between now and next weekend.

Only the people that can't ... or won't slow down, will not enjoy the turn of the screws ...

Queens Birthday weekend, as is any public holiday weekend, no different to any motorcycle group ride ... it puts more vehicles on the same piece of road at the same time. Thus the chances of accidents occuring increase ... The statistical signifigance of this, is known by the "policy makers"

Neither group rides ... or public holidays, have to result in carnage ... self disipline and patience will have more chance of getting everybody to their intended destination alive ....

The statistical signifigance of that you decide for yourself ...

[Smiff-ta]

Its been 4km tolerance for ages. I got a ticket 2 or 3 years ago for 106kmh in a 100 zone, $30. I contested it and got off due to the POPO having insuficent time to prepare or something stupid.

[hang0ver]

Fuckin' ay.

[Headbanger]

The other thing that gives me the shits is their constant reference to Aussie,Their roads and terrain are nothing like ours, You can travel around more hazardous areas in half an hour in NZ then what you would see driving between main centres in Aussie for a month, or a lifetime if they never leave the shithole city they live in.

What fuckin shit for brains monkey is overpaid to declare that the car doing 105km is a killer, a killer that will be stopped with a ticket. No matter what the road toll ends up being, it will have nothing to do with this fuckface initiative. How retarded are they? The traffic in most areas won't even be moving that fast. And the next busload of tourists that drive off the road or cross the centreline wont be dead or alive due to any petty penalties actioned by the police.

Fuckin moron cunts, fuck em.


Go raid some Black Power houses, do something useful. Too many thieving pieces of shit live free while cops tax the populace.

[red mermaid]

Sometimes it is truely wonderful to go to work and receive instructions, such as this topic, via the work computer...Yeah Right!

[Milts]

What really fucks me off is there is such a high chance factor in crashes - it takes very little for a injury crash to become a fatal crash and vice versa. There's the age of the cars, the safety quality of each car, the reaction time of the drivers, whether there happens to be something on the side of the road, whether the driver happens to lose control when there's a center barrier on that road.... and so on.
But if the road toll is zero, you can guarantee the cops will come out and claim it was this drop in tolerance for speed which saved everyone's life.
Fuck that.

There is a clause somewhere in the legislature which says something about punishment being 'fitting and just' or some such shit. One of the law lecturers at Vic Uni thought that if someone really tried (and spent enough money on a lawyer), they could probably get out of about half the parking tickets issued becuase the cost was so unrelated to the 'crime'. I wonder if the same could apply to these tickets?

[FJRider]

driver training? naaaaaa more tickets!

Why not use all the cops giving out speeding tickets to crack down on drink driving with more check points?

I would say that all those stopped for speeding this weekend, will have the sniffer shoved under their nose ...

[Coldrider]

Sometimes it is truely wonderful to go to work and receive instructions, such as this topic, via the work computer...Yeah Right!Hope you have a good holiday weekend at work issuing 4kph over the limits tickets, while the rest of us have our holidays,........ but wait, you are an internet cop posting on here in your own time. I bet I never get caught this weekend.

[red mermaid]

Not me, had my radar taken off me in the budget cuts last year.

[oldrider]

Sometimes it is truely wonderful to go to work and receive instructions such as this topic via the computer...Yeah Right!

So it is true, you are "totally controlled" from above and you don't have "any" powers of discretion or professional judgement, you are just puppets! :shit:

You might just as well be an electronic robot (telephone answering machine) in a car! :mellow:

[Coldrider]

Not me, had my radar taken off me in the budget cuts last year.ah classic !, So how is 4kph over the limit judged then?

[FJRider]

During a WOF ... speedo's are checked to see if they work. NOT to see if they are accurate ...

Every "new" vehicle I ever got, I have checked the accuracy of the speedo. Just as important as checking to see how far you can get from a tankfull of gas ...

[smoky]

wanna decrease the road toll this weekend?, pull every scam operative off the road and get them to do the job we pay them for!. not only will you steeply decrease the road toll, but it'll also have a side effect of making the country a safer place.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it; The idea of a speed limit is so we can all travel around and get to where we're wanting to get to in an orderly fashion, with out endangering others, the Police should enforce the law in the same manner as the spirit in which the law was scribed and adopted. But they don't; The traffic police have lost sight of the spirit of the law, have forgotten they are servants of the public, and become a tool of the power mongers, it's all part of controlling and repressing the masses to conform under a blanket of socialistic moral ideology.

I am surprised National are continuing with this pathetic nanny state response to road accidents; where trained monkeys and incentivised neolithic power hungry pricks are sent out onto our roads with some false sense of moral crusade to save us from our selves. They police and entrap way past the spirit of the law to a level that brings scorn, and a feeling of miss-aligned justice. Especially when catching a speeding motorist becomes such a priority that when they see an offender the 'red mist' kicks in and they do stupid unpredictable things and end up killing people like the poor motorcyclist in Te Kauwhata recently.
Over policing on the roads is even more infuriating considering the number of outstanding crimes, un-investigated crimes, police corruption, and revenue gathering tactics. The wankers who practice such things as 'fishing' at the end of passing lanes, change of speed zones, free flowing motorway traffic ........ bla bla bla
They turn a blind eye to the real causes, to the real problems on the roads and continue to defend their pathtic blind policies.

Speed kills? But what's being done about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers/riders, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue. Have you noticed how many lifestyle blocks have poorly designed driveways where all the dirt and gravel is washed of their drive onto the road, a problem for traffic - do you think they give a toss about it?
Instead they put more and more double yellows/no overtaking lines on the roads, expand 70 & 80 K speed limits out further and further, and pester more motorists - ranting about speed kills
And now they want to ping you for 105???

[smoky]

This is from the top.

The ones enforcing this tripe will enjoy it about as much as you and me........

Piss off!!!! they love it, small minded pratts love throwing their weight around

[Eyegasm]

They police and entrap way past the spirit of the law to a level that brings scorn, and a feeling of miss-aligned justice.

This reminds me of a scene at a petrol station.

Officer politely asks this chick to move her car forward about 3 meters, Dunno why.

Chick gets in car and moves it. Police officer then calmly states to wait there while he writes her a ticket for not wearing her seatbelt. She went banana's at him... I thought it was a dirty tactic, but couldn't help but laugh.

She had her belt on when she pulled into the servo, but not when he ask her to move.

Dirty tactic, but I admire his ingenuity. (Probably be different if it was me though)

[Bald Eagle]

This reminds me of a scene at a petrol station.

Officer politely asks this chick to move her car forward about 3 meters, Dunno why.

Chick gets in car and moves it. Police officer then calmly states to wait there while he writes her a ticket for not wearing her seatbelt. She went banana's at him... I thought it was a dirty tactic, but couldn't help but laugh.

She had her belt on when she pulled into the servo, but not when he ask her to move.

Dirty tactic, but I admire his ingenuity. (Probably be different if it was me though)

Was she a blonde ?

[rastuscat]

where trained monkeys and incentivised neolithic power hungry pricks are sent out onto our roads with some false sense of moral crusade to save us from our selves.

Speed kills? But what's being done about the lack of good roads, poor intersections, old unregistered un warranted vehicles, huge trucks blocking the pathetic narrow roads we call state highways, lack of overtaking lanes, lack of duel carriage ways, drunk drivers, road works that leave death traps for drivers/riders, lack of public transport, how easy it is to get a drivers licences here, just look at the lack of willingness to even discuss the cheese cutter issue.

Nice rant. I'm one of the above mentioned trained monkeys.

To answer your questions;

Police don't build roads or intersections. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.

We don't fix potholes. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.

We don't provide public transport. See your local authority about this.

We don't build cheesecutters. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.

We don't issue drivers licences. Refer to your local licensing agent.

We don't build passing lanes. Refer to your local council or LTNZ office.

We don't priovide duel lanes, altough I guess you mean dual lanes, not lanes for people to duel in. Certainly duelling lanes would mean pistols at dawn through open drivers windows. Imagine that.

We do, however, hammer shitty cars with the laws that exist. We process as many drunks as we humanly can. Few things give us more satisfaction.

We turn up at work every day to be pilloried, scorned and abused by such as yourself, and continue to go out and do the job we are told and paid to do.

I hope this clears up your misconceptions. But I doubt it.

Ho hum.

[oldrider]

Was she a blonde ?

More appropriate question, "was he blonde" ?

[rastuscat]

Piss off!!!! they love it, small minded pratts love throwing their weight around


Gosh, you certainly are bitter.

I'm one of your small minded pratts, and yes, I enjoy my job. I work with a great bunch, and do a job that contributes to society.

Hope your foul personality improves though.

[onearmedbandit]

I speed. I've got the tickets to back it up. I am a criminal. But it's my choice. I don't agree with the 100km/h blanket limit, but luckily I have a device in both my car and bike that alert me to the veloicty I'm travelling at. Thankfully the manufacturers of my vehicles made my speedo's read optomistic (108km/h = 100km/h in the car and 113km/h = 100km/h on the bike - both GPS checked) so if I get a ticket for 104km/h it is my fault. I'll wear the ticket (fair cop if I was breaking the limit, I know the rules) and pay it, even though I may have been putting no one elses life at risk.

How about breath alcohol testing? Very few of us carry a device that informs you if you're near the 401 limit, and on top of that there is no tolerence. I don't see anyone complaining about that, yet the chances of you knowing where you are at on the scale are virtually impossible.

All I'm saying is that there is a limit, there is a means of knowing if you're near that limit (remember, it is a limit, not the recommended speed, no one says you have to travel at exactly 100km/h), and if you decide to break that limit (be it outside a school at 3pm or on an empty back road at 3am) then the consequences are fully on your shoulders. (BTW, I got pinged a month ago at 120km/h on an empty straight piece of road with great visibility. I was gutted, but it was me who decided to break the law.)

[Max Preload]

There might actually be something in that espcially at 100km/h when they are using their radar equipment. How accurate are they?

Microwave... moving mode... +/- 2km/h... (from memory)


This could actually make things safer (in terms of tickets, not crashes). That tolerence is so fine that cops will pretty much have to radar every car that comes along. Instead of using instant on only on the ones that are clipping along. So Hector the Protector should be able to pick the cops up way early.

True. And the chance of coming across a cop who doesn't already have a 'customer' also drops... :shifty:

[rastuscat]

I speed. I've got the tickets to back it up. I am a criminal. But it's my choice. I don't agree with the 100km/h blanket limit, but luckily I have a device in both my car and bike that alert me to the veloicty I'm travelling at. Thankfully the manufacturers of my vehicles made my speedo's read optomistic (108km/h = 100km/h in the car and 113km/h = 100km/h on the bike - both GPS checked) so if I get a ticket for 104km/h it is my fault. I'll wear the ticket (fair cop if I was breaking the limit, I know the rules)


Hmmm. Personal responsibility. A novel approach, but I doubt it will catch on.

[shrub]

We turn up at work every day to be pilloried, scorned and abused by such as yourself, and continue to go out and do the job we are told and paid to do.

I hope this clears up your misconceptions. But I doubt it.

Ho hum.

Good points made, and I realise you are told to police the laws in the manner that Our Masters want, but how much discretion do you have?

For example, if i overtake a car doing 90 kmh at 104 kmh, I am going to spend a loooooong time on the wrong side of the road, and I know I will be much safer if I tap the throttle open and get past and back into my lane as fast as possible, which means I will probably hit 120 kmh or more. So do I play by the rules and place myself in danger, sit behind the slow car for my whole journey while traffic banks up behind me and invariably follows too close or break the law for a couple of seconds and minimise my risk?

And will you pull up the driver who is eating a pie, drinking coffee and looking at his stereo while driving at the (safe) speed of 104 kmh? Or will you let him go and pull me up for travelling at 105 kmh and completely focussing on the task in hand?

Our Masters who art in wellington are doing you NO favours with this because you will be pilloried, scorned and abused even more, and we won't listen to you because we can't see the logic in your actions.

[onearmedbandit]

Good points made, and I realise you are told to police the laws in the manner that Our Masters want, but how much discretion do you have?

For example, if i overtake a car doing 90 kmh at 104 kmh, I am going to spend a loooooong time on the wrong side of the road, and I know I will be much safer if I tap the throttle open and get past and back into my lane as fast as possible, which means I will probably hit 120 kmh or more. So do I play by the rules and place myself in danger, sit behind the slow car for my whole journey while traffic banks up behind me and invariably follows too close or break the law for a couple of seconds and minimise my risk?

I remember when I was a young lad and I observed my father speeding while overtaking another car. I asked him if it was legal to go over the limit to pass, to which of course he explained it wasn't. I asked him how do you then pass people legally. His response was you either didn't or you waited until you had enough clear road in front to pass without exceeding the limit. Of course he rarely did this, and nor do I. But by the letter of the law, I suppose this is how it is approached. Not practical, and rarely observed however.




And will you pull up the driver who is eating a pie, drinking coffee and looking at his stereo while driving at the (safe) speed of 104 kmh? Or will you let him go and pull me up for travelling at 105 kmh and completely focussing on the task in hand?

Whilst I totally agree (who wouldn't) until the police are issued with 'Moron Detectors' or the like speeders will be the ones getting caught. A mass murderer could drive around with 5 bodies squeezed into his trunk all day long not breaking the speed limit and never get caught. Speeding however will be the crime he gets noticed for, not being a mass murderer.




Our Masters who art in wellington are doing you NO favours with this because you will be pilloried, scorned and abused even more, and we won't listen to you because we can't see the logic in your actions.

Yep, unfortunately it's going to be the frontline guys getting the shit.

[firefighter]

Their should not be any "speed" law, it should come under dangerous driving the speed law is just a cop out & an easy way to bring in the $$$ it's all it is!

Just Remember.
If speed killed Hammond would be dead.
The faster you go, the quicker you get there!


Oh. My. God. That idea is retarded at best. :gob: (tell me you're joking and not that unintelligent.....)

And by the way, Hammond lived because he was wrapped up in cotton wool. Surely to god, you realise that a car does'nt provide that protection. It does'nt go as fast, yes, but it's not the same.
Surely you understand that. If not, your like those muslims denying the attrocities that happened in WW2. Complete and utter ignorance and daftness.

You need some basic lessons in physics if you cannot understand that if you are going faster, you will be more injured........ask the people who clean it up. We know. Keyboard jockeys do'nt.

YOU do'nt know, so much so you should organise a ride along at a station with a rescue tender and hopefully you will get some sort of an education, and learn what you've just said is as rediculous as that crap coming from the muslims. :blink:

You have basically said, that those of us who do attend this shit, do'nt know what we are talking about, at the high speed incidents we went to, the victims were'nt more injured (or more torn apart) than at low speed ones. Guess what, we were there. :mellow:

You need your fucken head read.

By the way, since what is really a simple concept has slipped through your reality, Speed Kills does'nt mean that if you speed you will evaporate on the spot and die. It means if you have an accident, you will be worse off than if you were'nt.
It's common fucken sense. I am well aware that common sense is'nt common, even more so having to explain simple stuff like the above.

[Ragingrob]

Hmmm. Personal responsibility. A novel approach, but I doubt it will catch on.

The thing that gets me, is the double standard that seems to apply.

All's fair to give out tickets for breaking the law, but kinda sucks the public can't return the favour when we see cops break the law so often ourselves yet getting away with it. Why do I get a ticket for being 5km/h over the limit, when mr policeman happily drives at over 10km/h over the speed limit/fails to indicate correctly/insert law-breaking action here...?

Where's the cop's personal responsibility to adhere to their own rules?

P.S. One thing that really pisses me off is when a cop sits in the outside lane of the motorway at 90kph slowing the entire motorway system down, I thought the law says one must keep left unless overtaking, the number of times I've had to undertake cops because they're going so slowly in the right hand lane is ridiculous.

[shrub]

Whilst I totally agree (who wouldn't) until the police are issued with 'Moron Detectors' or the like speeders will be the ones getting caught.


Yep, unfortunately it's going to be the frontline guys getting the shit.

I thought most cop cars had a moron detector sitting behind the wheel? I ride quite a few ks a year in traffic, and every journey I see people doing really stupid shit like eating pies and turning to their passengers to talk to them for several seconds in traffic. Only problem is it's real easy to write a ticket for 55 kmh, but hard to pull someone up and explain that driving a car requires complete focus and concentrated attention on the task in hand, so Our Masters will instruct their minions to police the speed limit even more enthusiastically.

[miloking]

I'm one of your small minded pratts, and yes, I enjoy my job. I work with a great bunch, and do a job that contributes to society.



HAHAHAHAHA, thats the best one today "do a job that contributes to society" and "work with great bunch" ....wake up buddy, you are not contributing anything, you are a just enforcer of rule from above...and your great bunch is a shameful group of money collecting "automatons"...you got the first one right tho...

[firefighter]

HAHAHAHAHA, thats the best one today "do a job that contributes to society" and "work with great bunch" ....wake up buddy, you are not contributing anything, you are a just enforcer of rule from above...and your great bunch is a shameful group of money collecting "automatons"...

What do you do for a living? Simple question.

[miloking]

What do you do for a living? Simple question.

IT, Network security tech for large( your could say New Zealand's favorite :)) ISP

(dont have to deal with public only internal people...and iam happy for that otherwise i would have to tell you all fuckers what i think of you in person)

BTW i know where you going with this... I never claimed to contribute anything to anyone!!! Dont forget that!

(I do have respect for firefighters and rescue teams of any kind, doctors, vets, people cleaning streets you name it....just not for cops, simple as that)

[duckonin]

Reading all of these posts is better than getting a good vid to watch...Take care on the road this weekend men+ ladies, enjoy your bikes...

[oldrider]

I'm one of your small minded pratts, and yes, I enjoy my job. I work with a great bunch, and do a job that contributes to society.

So you have aspirations to get promoted to a parking warden then! :mellow:

They are highly trained and have to make decisions, that could be a big step up! :shifty:

[miloking]

HAHA the irony http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3770036/Mayor-nicked-at-142kmh-loses-licence

He sped up to a overtake a car he had been following at between 85 and 95kmh.

"I put the foot down to overtake, broke the rules and got caught," he said. The car he was passing had sped up to 105kmh during the passing manoeuvre, a fact noted by the ticketing officer, he said.

That offence took him to over 100 demerit points, the limit at which a driver's licence is automatically suspended"


We will see much more of those after this weekend, this is awesome..

(if it was any of us mortals got caught doing 142 and not mayor or large city we would also be "appearing in court" on dangerous driving charge...)

[FJRider]

Was within the "tolerance" at the time ...

[Blinkwing]

(if it was any of us mortals got caught doing 142 and not mayor or large city we would also be "appearing in court" on dangerous driving charge...)

They'd lock us up in jail and throw away the key.

Speeding is worse than violent crimes(!)

[Sentox]

He sped up to a overtake a car he had been following at between 85 and 95kmh.

"I put the foot down to overtake, broke the rules and got caught," he said. The car he was passing had sped up to 105kmh during the passing manoeuvre, a fact noted by the ticketing officer, he said.

This is the part that frustrates me so much. As I said in some other thread, I got a ticket that way. Following someone at 85, he speeds up to 100 (according to the cop, even), and I got stung for 121. 142kph is probably unnecessary, but what are you really supposed to do? I mean that as a genuine question too. As I see it, your only two real options are to hold parallel and see who wins a game of chicken, or drop back and attempt to pass the vehicle where there isn't a passing lane, so you can catch them 'off-guard' >.<

[Dare]

I thought most cop cars had a moron detector sitting behind the wheel? I ride quite a few ks a year in traffic, and every journey I see people doing really stupid shit like eating pies and turning to their passengers to talk to them for several seconds in traffic. Only problem is it's real easy to write a ticket for 55 kmh, but hard to pull someone up and explain that driving a car requires complete focus and concentrated attention on the task in hand, so Our Masters will instruct their minions to police the speed limit even more enthusiastically.
Funny story, I actually saw a cop pull over a guy driving with a phone clapped to his ear, far from pulling over he aimed at the curb, stamped on the brakes, jumped out and gave the cop a talking to(!)
He soon quietened down when the cop made a phone gesture and pulled out his ticket book. Sweet moment of justice I felt but what the hell do I know.

[FJRider]

HAHA the irony http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3770036/Mayor-nicked-at-142kmh-loses-licence

He sped up to a overtake a car he had been following at between 85 and 95kmh.

"I put the foot down to overtake, broke the rules and got caught," he said. The car he was passing had sped up to 105kmh during the passing manoeuvre, a fact noted by the ticketing officer, he said.

That offence took him to over 100 demerit points, the limit at which a driver's licence is automatically suspended"


We will see much more of those after this weekend, this is awesome..

(if it was any of us mortals got caught doing 142 and not mayor or large city we would also be "appearing in court" on dangerous driving charge...)

The loss of licence due to demerits is automatic .... the 142 km's over ticket may still result in a court appearance ...

[BoristheBiter]

BTW i know where you going with this... I never claimed to contribute anything to anyone!!! Dont forget that!



Never had a truer word been spoken

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4s5pmFL_ZlQ/R8t2FhdFLcI/AAAAAAAAAYI/KZ2UBQV-3_A/s1600-h/MISTAKES+ALTERNATIV

[Dare]

This is the part that frustrates me so much. As I said in some other thread, I got a ticket that way. Following someone at 85, he speeds up to 100 (according to the cop, even), and I got stung for 121. 142kph is probably unnecessary, but what are you really supposed to do? I mean that as a genuine question too. As I see it, your only two real options are to hold parallel and see who wins a game of chicken, or drop back and attempt to pass the vehicle where there isn't a passing lane, so you can catch them 'off-guard' >.<
Heres a thought, if your radar detector (I mean spidey sense) is going off, speed up to 103.9999 and get them to speed, then see who gets pulled over!

[miloking]

This is the part that frustrates me so much. As I said in some other thread, I got a ticket that way. Following someone at 85, he speeds up to 100 (according to the cop, even), and I got stung for 121. 142kph is probably unnecessary, but what are you really supposed to do? I mean that as a genuine question too. As I see it, your only two real options are to hold parallel and see who wins a game of chicken, or drop back and attempt to pass the vehicle where there isn't a passing lane, so you can catch them 'off-guard' >.<

Both options that are "legal" and you suggested are definately not very safe at all...either way we all know this whole "speed farce" has nothing to do with safety.

[Dare]

HAHAHAHAHA, thats the best one today "do a job that contributes to society" and "work with great bunch" ....wake up buddy, you are not contributing anything, you are a just enforcer of rule from above...and your great bunch is a shameful group of money collecting "automatons"...you got the first one right tho...

Someone needs to buy more lube

[miloking]

Never had a truer word been spoken

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4s5pmFL_ZlQ/R8t2FhdFLcI/AAAAAAAAAYI/KZ2UBQV-3_A/s1600-h/MISTAKES+ALTERNATIV

Well there you go...we finaly agree on something. Hallelujah!

[Sentox]

Both options that are "legal" and you suggested are definately not very safe at all...either way we all know this whole "speed farce" has nothing to do with safety.

It's a sad indictment that when out on the road I often find myself weighing up between legality and safety.

[shrub]

It's a sad indictment that when out on the road I often find myself weighing up between legality and safety.

Well said! The blunt instrument that we have imposed on us in a futile attempt to bring down the road toll probably causes as much harm as it prevents.

[Kiwi675]

The assumption being made here, is that the speed measuring equipment is being used according to the manufacturer's guidelines

The Kustom Eagle dash mounted moving radar is accurate to ± 2km/h in stationary mode and ± 3km/h in moving mode

The LTI Ultralyte Laser (Lidar) gun is also accurate to ± 2km/h and cannot be operated in moving mode.

The Autopatrol PR100NZ mobile speed camera is accurate to -2km/h to +1km/h from 30 - 100km/h and -4 to +1km/h above 100km/h

The Autopatrol SP200 fixed speed camera is accurate to -2km/h to +1km/h

[Sentox]

Well said! The blunt instrument that we have imposed on us in a futile attempt to bring down the road toll probably causes as much harm as it prevents.

This is why I don't see the point of bashing the police on the whole, personally. They're given a blunt instrument to deal with a problem that is a rather complicated issue (driver ability and mentality, roading conditions, etc). When it fails to solve the problem (unsurprisingly), they get told to wield their blunt tool with more force. Sure, they have discretion, but they have quotas to meet (allegedly). Don't most of us generally do what's required to pay our bills? Police are still people, even if they should be operating to a higher standard. I say blame the people setting the agenda.

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

[Hiflyer]

So after the weekend the tolerance goes back up again or what?

[MSTRS]

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

Hey!! I did that only last week. Complete success. The tumour was no more. The patient died, but, well, one has to expect collateral damage.

[shrub]

This is why I don't see the point of bashing the police on the whole, personally. They're given a blunt instrument to deal with a problem that is a rather complicated issue (driver ability and mentality, roading conditions, etc). When it fails to solve the problem (unsurprisingly), they get told to wield their blunt tool with more force. Sure, they have discretion, but they have quotas to meet (allegedly). Don't most of us generally do what's required to pay our bills? Police are still people, even if they should be operating to a higher standard. I say blame the people setting the agenda.

When you try to remove a brain tumour with a hammer, don't be surprised if you do more harm than good.

Some cops are utter cocks and deserve all the contempt they get, but others are good bastards doing an important job. And you're right, the problem lies with the unimaginative and weak people we foolishly appoint to run the show (both Labour and National). They lack the wisdom to look beyond doing what has always been done. My bet is that Paula Rose was advised to bring in the 4 kmh limit by Steven Joyce.

As an aside, I'd love to know what the cops think of a 4 kmh tolerance - my guess is they don't much like it either.

[miloking]

So after the weekend the tolerance goes back up again or what?

I wouldnt rely on it...if the road toll goes down by even 1 they will have reason to claim how it was a success! Fuck they will claim it was a success even if the road toll goes up...by saying that it would have been much worse otherwise...

[Sentox]

Hey!! I did that only last week. Complete success. The tumour was no more. The patient died, but, well, one has to expect collateral damage.

Good point! Once the speed limit is reduced nationally to 50kph and rigorously enforced with mandated GPS units or limiters, the road toll should be largely eliminated.

Severe economic consequences and civil unrest might result, but as you point out, these things happen.

[danchop]

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

[Sentox]

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

No helmets, according to police. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3770768/Two-die-in-Christchurch-motorcycle-crash)

[Headbanger]

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

what are the chance they were bike thieves rather then bikers.

[onearmedbandit]

well the two motorcyclists killed in ch/ch this morning wont do the motorcyclists stats too well-idiots

Huh? Obviously you know more than you're letting on. First I've heard of any incidents. Have you got a link handy?

[Headbanger]

Huh? Obviously you know more than you're letting on. First I've heard of any incidents. Have you got a link handy?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3770768/Two-die-in-Christchurch-motorcycle-crash

[Sentox]

Ms Rose said police would review how effective the 4kmh tolerance zone was before considering whether to use it again. But [Inspector] Wynne said he hoped the change would be permanent as people now got angry for being stopped at 109kmh.

<img src="http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg" />

[onearmedbandit]

Ride at 95 and you'll never have a problem.

[Sentox]

Ride at 95 and you'll never have a problem.

Emotional distress isn't a problem? :laugh:

[onearmedbandit]

Emotional distress isn't a problem? :laugh:

Go out to a track day to get your kicks, or take your chances on the road. But, and this isn't aimed at you in particular, don't moan about it when you get caught. You have two choices in life, acceptance or change. And I don't see a lot of gnashing of teeth on a forum getting any change acheived.

[Sentox]

Go out to a track day to get your kicks, or take your chances on the road. But, and this isn't aimed at you in particular, don't moan about it when you get caught. You have two choices in life, acceptance or change. And I don't see a lot of gnashing of teeth on a forum getting any change acheived.

I do go to the track. If I was trying to get my kicks on the public road, I'd be going an awful lot faster than 110kph or what have you (well, Hyosung notwithstanding :laugh:). Below 100 just feels frustrating when I'm travelling distances, which I do most weekends.

But I concur. I've said it before... if I get a ticket, there's no one else to blame. I know the rules. Doesn't mean I have to like them though.

[miloking]

Ride at 95 and you'll never have a problem.

Whats the point of owning a fast bike then? To ride around on a sunny day at nannas pace and enjoy scenery and commute to work....(yeah there are track days and racing but thats not for everybody, mainly due to lack of organizers and also what do you do in winter???)

You might as well buy a prius or harley....

[Headbanger]

Go out to a track day to get your kicks, or take your chances on the road. But, and this isn't aimed at you in particular, don't moan about it when you get caught. You have two choices in life, acceptance or change. .

I choose defiance. Fuck em.

And damn right I'll moan. Preferably to their smug faces.

They should be ashamed if this is the very best shit they can come up with.

[onearmedbandit]

Whats the point of owning a fast bike then? To ride around on a sunny day at nannas pace and enjoy scenery and commute to work....(yeah there are track days and racing but thats not for everybody, mainly due to lack of organizers and also what do you do in winter???)

You might as well buy a prius or harley....

You could lose your license with either of those two as well, just not as easily. There are many reasons I ride a bike that could potentially cost me my license on the open road in first gear. And there are occasions where I'll ride at speeds that would cost me my license. However, I'm aware of the consequences. If I get caught, so be it. But I won't bitch and moan about it.

[miloking]

I choose defiance. Fuck em.

And damn right I'll moan. Preferably to their smug faces.

They should be ashamed if this is the very best shit they can come up with.

I choose defiance to!

[onearmedbandit]

They should be ashamed if this is the very best shit they can come up with.

Then do something to change it.

[EJK]

I choose defiance to!

$150 fine isn't so free is it? ;)

[miloking]

You could lose your license with either of those two as well, just not as easily. There are many reasons I ride a bike that could potentially cost me my license on the open road in first gear. And there are occasions where I'll ride at speeds that would cost me my license. However, I'm aware of the consequences. If I get caught, so be it. But I won't bitch and moan about it.

yeah yeah, but you are comparing apples and oranges here....

There is a difference in loosing your licence due to 12,000rpm in 4th...5th gear and this: "We will take action against anyone caught driving more than 4 kilometres over the posted permanent speed limit," - National Manager of Road Policing, Superintendent Paula Rose.

Also what does she fucking know about driving she is a woman!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

And your suggestion on what to do is?

Mine is to discard your number plate, and any identifying crap (rego, WOF) from your late model sprotsbike, and ride everywhere at 200+ kph.



what, you wanted a serious suggestion.............. maybe i was serious. ?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Then do something to change it.

Ive written an angry letter to Echo and the Bunnymen.

Dear Mr Echo

This is intolerable.

Yours sincerely

a concerned fan.

[miloking]

$150 fine isn't so free is it? ;)

Well its free $150 for them....for me you cannot put price tag on "not being puppet of the system"

[onearmedbandit]

Defiance is all good and proper, but what will it acheive? You'll end up with tickets still, you'll vent, get angry, call the police same names, raise your blood pressure, and then get another ticket. Then repeat the process. I defy the law as well, but if I get caught then fair cop, I knew the rules, I chose to break them, why should the cop get my abuse?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I choose defiance to!

thats one dead-ass motherfucker. so yeah, thats relevant.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Defiance is all good and proper, but what will it acheive? You'll end up with tickets still, you'll vent, get angry, call the police same names, raise your blood pressure, and then get another ticket. Then repeat the process. I defy the law as well, but if I get caught then fair cop, I knew the rules, I chose to break them, why should the cop get my abuse?

Um because he is a public servant, and its his JOB. Tell him to get you a glass of water to go with your hip flask you're drinking. And to give you some of the donuts in the car. Also, berating them about catching "Real" criminals goes down a treat too. As do bacon and pork references. Hilarious. Honestly, HP cops are known for their senses of humour.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well its free $150 for them....for me you cannot put price tag on "not being puppet of the system"

what about being a complete twat?

[miloking]

Defiance is all good and proper, but what will it acheive? You'll end up with tickets still, you'll vent, get angry, call the police same names, raise your blood pressure, and then get another ticket. Then repeat the process. I defy the law as well, but if I get caught then fair cop, I knew the rules, I chose to break them, why should the cop get my abuse?

I have not abused single cop while being pulled over ever!.... kind of starting to regret it now.

[onearmedbandit]

yeah yeah, but you are comparing apples and oranges here....

There is a difference in loosing your licence due to 12,000rpm in 4th...5th gear and this: "We will take action against anyone caught driving more than 4 kilometres over the posted permanent speed limit," - National Manager of Road Policing, Superintendent Paula Rose.

How? They are both breaking the law, just by varying amounts. And the fines and demerit points reflect this. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the action they are taking, but can I change it before this weekend? I'd like to think I was that influential but I don't think so. So if I go for a ride this weekend, it's up to me whether I take heed of their warning and ride below 104km/h or ride at above that speed. It really isn't that hard.

[Brian d marge]

Whats the point of owning a fast bike then? To ride around on a sunny day at nannas pace and enjoy scenery and commute to work....(yeah there are track days and racing but thats not for everybody, mainly due to lack of organizers and also what do you do in winter???)

You might as well buy a prius or harley....

Always wondered that , a yamasuki 10000000 when the speed limit is 100 ,,, waste

but seriously 4km is the difference in tyre pressures ( wait till u see and Enfield speedo it HOVERS between 90 and 110 all by itself !)

While I agree with making the populace safer , this is ridiculous REVENUE GATHERING !!!! PURE AND SIMPLE

Stephen

[miloking]

what about being a complete twat?

Does it ever bother you that you mis-spelt Dorsett? Unless of course it actualy your name as well...

[SPman]

I'd say....get used to it. Transport NZ, or whatever they are called, seem to cling enthusiastically to Monash University and Victoria Road Authority guidelines, and, in Victoria, the official tolerance level is 3kph and people are regularly hit at that! Aussie Highway Patrol people are even less tolerant that NZ ones!
Just be thankful, you don't have double demerit points every holiday or long weekend!

[Flip]

Its the cry of the sports bike owner, the boy racer and those stupid late middle aged men in HSV commodes, its "Revenue gathering". No its not, its society (the other 99% of the population) saying 100 kph is fast enough. If you want to free up a whole pile of police resources to investigate other crimes STOP RIDING LIKE A DICK on the road. Hell five or six hundred people die on the roads each year and we still don't get it.

[miloking]

Just be thankful...

... you don't have double demerit points every holiday or long weekend....Yet!

[miloking]

Its the cry of the sports bike owner, the boy racer and those stupid late middle aged men in HSV commodes, its "Revenue gathering". No its not, its society (the other 99% of the population) saying 100 kph is fast enough. If you want to free up a whole pile of police resources to investigate other crimes STOP RIDING LIKE A DICK on the road. Hell five or six hundred people die on the roads each year and we still don't get it.

NONE of those 600 people died because "I" went bit fast down the highway on my bike...so your argument is invalid!

And how i treat my life is nobody elses business but my own!

[Reckless]

Ride at 95 and you'll never have a problem.

Except from the vehicle trying to pass you doing 103.9? LOL!!

[Ragingrob]

I'd say....get used to it. Transport NZ, or whatever they are called, seem to cling enthusiastically to Monash University and Victoria Road Authority guidelines, and, in Victoria, the official tolerance level is 3kph and people are regularly hit at that! Aussie Highway Patrol people are even less tolerant that NZ ones!
Just be thankful, you don't have double demerit points every holiday or long weekend!

Yes but also many of the speed limits in Victoria sit at 60/80/110, as opposed to 50/70/100.

[miloking]

Yes but also many of the speed limits in Victoria sit at 60/80/110, as opposed to 50/70/100.

Fuck it i say remove the tolerance altogether i hate this guessing game, limit is a limit (arbitrary or not) but review the limits...some roads realy do deserve 80 but most major motorways could do with 120 or 130 with no problems...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Does it ever bother you that you mis-spelt Dorsett? Unless of course it actualy your name as well...

So you've read the book. Still one of my favourites, I read it probably once every 18 months. In terms of development as a writer, I like the Blue Ant ones the best. You know the third Blue Ant book is due this year? September I think.

The very first interweb forum I signed up on had a character limit for screen names, which meant that the spaces, and the second t got dropped. I just carried on.

So now you know.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd say....get used to it. Transport NZ, or whatever they are called, seem to cling enthusiastically to Monash University and Victoria Road Authority guidelines, and, in Victoria, the official tolerance level is 3kph and people are regularly hit at that! Aussie Highway Patrol people are even less tolerant that NZ ones!
Just be thankful, you don't have double demerit points every holiday or long weekend!

They're also armed and wear those badass mirror pilot shades. And moustaches.

[Katman]

So now you know.

Hey, while you're baring all - is that Henry Rollins or do you just look like him?

[miloking]

So you've read the book. Still one of my favourites, I read it probably once every 18 months. In terms of development as a writer, I like the Blue Ant ones the best. You know the third Blue Ant book is due this year? September I think.

The very first interweb forum I signed up on had a character limit for screen names, which meant that the spaces, and the second t got dropped. I just carried on.

So now you know.

Ok fair enough i didnt know there was character limit on "nicks" thats my FAIL :D

But yeah without neuromancer there wouldnt be any cool movies and games..like matrix they also say it inspired existence of internet (but who knows)

Anyway back on topic... holidays, Speed limits, revenue ra ra ra ra...

[Flip]

NONE of those 600 people died because "I" went bit fast down the highway on my bike...so your argument is invalid!

And how i treat my life is nobody elses business but my own!

When you are on the race track on your CBRRRRRRRRRRRRR you can go as fast as you like. When you are on the public roads you can go the speed limit (or within 5kph of it) stick to all the other road rules or you can suffer the consequences. You can show all the disregard and of your own life you like but when your actions place others at risk or even a perceived risk, its another completely different story.

Just because you didn't cause an accident today speeding does not mean you won't cause one tomorrow speeding! My argument is perfectly valid.

You are showing a classic generation Y over estimation of your own abilities and a failure to accept responsibility when things inevitability go wrong.

[Headbanger]

Defiance is all good and proper, but what will it acheive? You'll end up with tickets still, you'll vent, get angry, call the police same names, raise your blood pressure, and then get another ticket. Then repeat the process. I defy the law as well, but if I get caught then fair cop, I knew the rules, I chose to break them, why should the cop get my abuse?

Consider for just a second that you're addressing someone able to think through the consequences of the stand they have taken without you talking to them like a 5 year old.

Why should the cop get my abuse?,Who said I would abuse them?, do you think everyone that doesn't follow your code is stupid?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hey, while you're baring all - is that Henry Rollins or do you just look like him?

It is a recent photo of Hank the Tank. I'm not so pretty.

[yachtie10]

Its the cry of the sports bike owner, the boy racer and those stupid late middle aged men in HSV commodes, its "Revenue gathering". No its not, its society (the other 99% of the population) saying 100 kph is fast enough. If you want to free up a whole pile of police resources to investigate other crimes STOP RIDING LIKE A DICK on the road. Hell five or six hundred people die on the roads each year and we still don't get it.

excuse me! when did 99% of the population say they support this
I think this road toll argument is ridiculus mainly be cause this action wont reduce it and will probably increase it (and i dont care what happens this weekend as it is statistically insignificant)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ok fair enough i didnt know there was character limit on "nicks" thats my FAIL :D

But yeah without neuromancer there wouldnt be any cool movies and games..like matrix they also say it inspired existence of internet (but who knows)

Anyway back on topic... holidays, Speed limits, revenue ra ra ra ra...

Meh, topic is boring now. I think if there are character limits now they are considerably expanded. This was round 8 years ago when I struck the issue

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ok fair enough i didnt know there was character limit on "nicks" thats my FAIL :D

But yeah without neuromancer there wouldnt be any cool movies and games..like matrix they also say it inspired existence of internet (but who knows)

Anyway back on topic... holidays, Speed limits, revenue ra ra ra ra...

Gibson coined the term "Cyberspace" in 1983 for Neuromancer, so the story goes. The rest, as they say, is history*


*also quoting a Drive By Truckers song lyric

[HenryDorsetCase]

When you are on the race track on your CBRRRRRRRRRRRRR you can go as fast as you like. When you are on the public roads you can go the speed limit (or within 5kph of it) stick to all the other road rules or you can suffer the consequences. You can show all the disregard and of your own life you like but when your actions place others at risk or even a perceived risk, its another completely different story.

Just because you didn't cause an accident today speeding does not mean you won't cause one tomorrow speeding! My argument is perfectly valid.

You are showing a classic generation Y over estimation of your own abilities and a failure to accept responsibility when things inevitability go wrong.

I am a long way off being Generation Y, and of course your argument veers from something that sounds faintly logical to ad hominem in two sentences.

Please explain to me how 99 kph is safe, and 104kph, is "unsafe" on the same road with the same traffic ie. the only variable being a 5% speed differential? because I'm struggling to see it.

[FJRider]

Please explain to me how 99 kph is safe, and 104kph, is "unsafe" on the same road with the same traffic ie. the only variable being a 5% speed differential? because I'm struggling to see it.

Travelling at 99 km/hr (on the open road) you wont be ticketed (safe) ... at 104 you may be ... the element of risk is for you to decide ... will it be worth the risk ... ???

[Flip]

excuse me! when did 99% of the population say they support this
I think this road toll argument is ridiculus mainly be cause this action wont reduce it and will probably increase it (and i dont care what happens this weekend as it is statistically insignificant)

I know you "dont care what happens this weekend" but until you start to take some responsibility for your actions you are doomed. Prove me wrong ride safely take some responsibility, reduce the risk you place yourself and other road users at. See what happens when the rozza stop issuing tickets and start doing other police work.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Travelling at 99 km/hr (on the open road) you wont be ticketed (safe) ... at 104 you may be ... the element of risk is for you to decide ... will it be worth the risk ... ???

so its safe from being ticketed, not safe from an accident. Gotcha.

And yet I was told by Howard Broad that this "initiative" would improve road safety. He said so. In a letter and everything. Surely the Comish wouldn't be incorrect? He's the Comish!

[Headbanger]

Travelling at 99 km/hr (on the open road) you wont be ticketed (safe) ... at 104 you may be ... the element of risk is for you to decide ... will it be worth the risk ... ???

Considering I doubt my speedo is 100 percent correct, and the speed cameras themselves can be out by upto 3km even when correctly calibrated and used as per design I'd say it makes no difference if someone chooses to travel at 99km/h or not, with no tolerance in the system your fucked no matter where you put your faith.

That aside, This will save lives how?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I admit it, I am trolling. Its amusing me so I dont have to tidy up my desk and office.


I think sensible people will see this "initiative" for what it is: nothing but a stupid publicity stunt, and the mouth frothing reaction as nothing short of hilarious.

I will just carry on, doing like I do. And I'm sure it'll be fine.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That aside, This will save lives how?

No no, you need to define your terms: road safety in this context revolves around getting or not getting an infringement notice.

[miloking]

When you are on the race track on your CBRRRRRRRRRRRRR you can go as fast as you like. When you are on the public roads you can go the speed limit (or within 5kph of it) stick to all the other road rules or you can suffer the consequences. You can show all the disregard and of your own life you like but when your actions place others at risk or even a perceived risk, its another completely different story.

Just because you didn't cause an accident today speeding does not mean you won't cause one tomorrow speeding! My argument is perfectly valid.

You are showing a classic generation Y over estimation of your own abilities and a failure to accept responsibility when things inevitability go wrong.


How does percieved risk deserve punishment? Its just that...percieved, nothing more.

And yes at the end of straight in puke i did manage to get 270ish (indicated) out of the CBRRAAAWRRRR but i would not attempt that on the road unless alone with nobody anywhere to be seen .... but we are still talking about 105k/m "will be persecuted" here, and i can with 99.99% certainty tell you that i will never cause an accident at that speed...and even in that 0.01% chance if i do...its only going to hurt me not the truck or bus or whatever comes down the road.
And if i do hurt someone yeah lock me up and throw away the key but until then....

[imdying]

some roads realy do deserve 80 but most major motorways could do with 120 or 130 with no problems...You have to remember what you're riding, 130 is like walking on your bike. Those limits have to include everyone, including those driving cars that aren't really suitable for 130... and they'll ban 1000cc sports bikes before they ban those sort of cars.

[Headbanger]

See what happens when the rozza stop issuing tickets and start doing other police work.

That would be so sweet.

Like the time when the wifes car was vandalized (they did try to steal it) and some of her belongings were stolen (with considerable monetry and personal value) and she rang the police and they were just too damn busy, so fobbed her off.

And then 3km down the road we were stopped and had the wof inspected by an entire team of cops manning a roadblock.

And then they lost the police report so we had a shit fight with the insurance company, But the fuckers never lose the fuckin paper work for a WOF ticket do they?

Little peasant assholes, I should have caved some heads in that night.

[slofox]

Travelling at 99 km/hr (on the open road) you wont be ticketed (safe) ... at 104 you may be ... the element of risk is for you to decide ... will it be worth the risk ... ???

104km/hr puts the very fabric of the universe at risk of annihilation...

[rastuscat]

So you have aspirations to get promoted to a parking warden then!

Nah. Only 22 years in the job. I probably don't qualify.

[FJRider]

104km/hr puts the very fabric of the universe at risk of annihilation...

Your own little universe ... maybe !!!

[Katman]

and they'll ban 1000cc sports bikes before they ban those sort of cars.

And those that say it could never happen may well have a rude shock in store.

[miloking]

You have to remember what you're riding, 130 is like walking on your bike. Those limits have to include everyone, including those driving cars that aren't really suitable for 130... and they'll ban 1000cc sports bikes before they ban those sort of cars.

Hey if 130 is like walking on CBR, can you imagine what it must be like in a latest S-Class or some ferrari.... are they going to ban those first too? I mean if you are banning anything thats fun it should be in order of Unprotected sex->Bikes->Cars->Drugs->Guns-Alcohol...etc.

[Bassmatt]

Hell five or six hundred people die on the roads each year and we still don't get it.

Hmmm 4 million odd vehicles x hours spent on road per vehicle / five or six hundred dead each year?
I reckon statistically you are safer on the road than many other places.

[miloking]

And those that say it could never happen may well have a rude shock in store.

I would believe it to be honest, somehow recent events give me feeling it wont be all that surprising...

[rastuscat]

While I agree with making the populace safer , this is ridiculous REVENUE GATHERING !!!! PURE AND SIMPLE

Stephen

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

[miloking]

Nah. Only 22 years in the job. I probably don't qualify.

8 more years and you can start making Uturns on innapropriate places on the open road....

[Katman]

I would believe it to be honest, somehow recent events give me feeling it wont be all that surprising...

Well perhaps you should pull your head out of your arse and realise that it's attitudes like yours that will likely make it a reality.

[miloking]

That would be so sweet.

Like the time when the wifes car was vandalized (they did try to steal it) and some of her belongings were stolen (with considerable monetry and personal value) and she rang the police and they were just too damn busy, so fobbed her off.

And then 3km down the road we were stopped and had the wof inspected by an entire team of cops manning a roadblock.

And then they lost the police report so we had a shit fight with the insurance company, But the fuckers never lose the fuckin paper work for a WOF ticket do they?

Little peasant assholes, I should have caved some heads in that night.

LOL it happened to you too, funny story my parked car got hit by drunk driver (cops pulled him out of the car, and his mate had broken leg so ambulance arrived)....anyway long story short they lost the police report too... so also had fun with insurance...and the drunk driver was never to be found again. (or punished)

[miloking]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

NO thats not true, you guys know that you will always find another reason for revenue, NO WOF, REGO, Licence conditions you name it....104Km is just excuse to pull people over.

Fuck it...you can even make up shit, like incorrectly mouted plate or using a cellphone or some other such scrap...

Tell you what why dont you make a law to pull over blue cars on monday, red ones on tuesday and so on...saves you on making excuses in name of "safety"

[Flip]

I am a long way off being Generation Y, and of course your argument veers from something that sounds faintly logical to ad hominem in two sentences.

Please explain to me how 99 kph is safe, and 104kph, is "unsafe" on the same road with the same traffic ie. the only variable being a 5% speed differential? because I'm struggling to see it.

It is dangerous because of the mind set that a lot of riders have where they believe they have the god given right to speed. Just because they have very powerful bike, does not mean they can power out of a dangerous situation. Just because they are a small "soft" radar target and difficult to lock onto means they can speed around and mix it in and out of the traffic flow with impunity. This I can speed because I am on a race bike mentality works fine on the race track where the risks of other traffic and unexpected road hazards are being managed by others but in the real world this mindset prevents the rider identifying and correctly taking steps to manage the normal unexpected day to day road hazards, which catch him out.

[rastuscat]

That would be so sweet.

Like the time when the wifes car was vandalized (they did try to steal it) and some of her belongings were stolen (with considerable monetry and personal value) and she rang the police and they were just too damn busy, so fobbed her off.

And then 3km down the road we were stopped and had the wof inspected by an entire team of cops manning a roadblock.

And then they lost the police report so we had a shit fight with the insurance company, But the fuckers never lose the fuckin paper work for a WOF ticket do they?

Little peasant assholes, I should have caved some heads in that night.


Here we go again.

21% of the Police total funding gets funded from the National Transport Fund on road policing. So 21% of the toal expenditure should be on road policing, but isnt. Road funding is subsidising other forms of policing.

Cut the 21% and you'll see a loss of other forms of Policing, not just road policing.

So the Govt pays 21% of our funding and expects us to do Road Policing.

Is it really our job to decide the priorities and misuse funds to make evryone like us more?

So there.

[miloking]

Well perhaps you should pull your head out of your arse and realise that it's attitudes like yours that will likely make it a reality.

OK Mr.Katman...iam open minded but as BoristheBiter says iam also ignorat fuck, so tell me what to say and how to behave so it does not become reality???

[FJRider]

They dont need a reason to stop vehicles now .... and once they have your rego number, all your vehicle details are known.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

Its not about revenue gathering, its about social control. Hilarious innit? You all thought Unkle Helen was the engineer of a despotic nanny state! BAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA it turns out that that nice man John Key and his particularly unlovely bunch of fuckers are more despotic than unkle helen at her wild wooliest worst. AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA !!!

I am moving to Straya where a man can be free and stuff.

Yeah! take that John Key and his lumpy minions. You can drive as fast as you like over there and the po po give you a medal and shit.

[shrub]

So the Govt pays 21% of our funding and expects us to do Road Policing.

Is it really our job to decide the priorities and misuse funds to make evryone like us more?.

And there you have it. While there are some cops that are cocks and probably get a hit out of issuing tickets for 61 kmh, and would rather sit on the side of the road in their Holden Commode waiting for an excuse to pull you up, the decision to run WOF checkpoints instead of investigating crime is ultimately a government decision because Our Masters tell the men and women who run the police force what to do. If you want to see less cops handing out invoices and more cops investigating burglaries, bale up your MP and tell him that's what you want.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh for heavens sake Stephen, get over the revenue gathering thing.

Tickets for 5 km/h over get a $30 fine. I could stake out any stop sign in the country and make $150 per time, any time of any day. If it were about revenue gathering, why would I nonce around with $30?

So there.

as a concerned citizen, ratepayer and taxpayer, I have to ask: "Well, why dont you?" surely the road safety imperative in obeying a Stop sign is self evident, even to that nice Mr Broad.? I mean really

[Headbanger]

Here we go again.


So there.

Don't care, Do better.

And I mean the entire organization, right to the top, If you can't respond to crime (and have no doubt, the little fuck that smashed our car would get up to the same shit day every day of his life and cause millions of dollars worth of damage) but can issue tickets then the system is fucked.

No excuses needed, a spade is a spade.

[Flip]

And there you have it. While there are some cops that are cocks and probably get a hit out of issuing tickets for 61 kmh, and would rather sit on the side of the road in their Holden Commode waiting for an excuse to pull you up, the decision to run WOF checkpoints instead of investigating crime is ultimately a government decision because Our Masters tell the men and women who run the police force what to do. If you want to see less cops handing out invoices and more cops investigating burglaries, bale up your MP and tell him that's what you want.

A very good friend of mine who was a cop and was killed by a truck while riding home used to say they catch up with a lot of crims doing all the random wof and license checks. The crims have not caught onto not driving around in normal average vehicles but seem to have old shitters or those big new American Chrysler cars.

[imdying]

And those that say it could never happen may well have a rude shock in store.You'd be a fool to say never, but it's pretty unlikely. Too many people with too much money have an interest in bikes. And those with the money make the rules.

Hey if 130 is like walking on CBR, can you imagine what it must be like in a latest S-Class or some ferrari.... are they going to ban those first too? I mean if you are banning anything thats fun it should be in order of Unprotected sex->Bikes->Cars->Drugs->Guns-Alcohol...etc.I'm picking it'll be a lot easier to start with bikes than Ferraris, you have to be pretty cashed up to get one of those, see above comment.