When is "cordura" not Cordura?

[Quasievil]

So it was $599 and now they are clearing them out for $200. Is there any reason or just wanting to clear the decks for new stock?

BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I sell my Viper jacket for $465 RRP $1,000.000.00 now thats a deal !!

[vindy500]

BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I sell my Viper jacket for $465 RRP $1,000.000.00 now thats a deal !!

Seeing as youve knocked so much off, surely another $400 wouldnt hurt?

[Quasievil]

Cheaper jackets that reside on TM are Not actually Genuine Dupont Cordura they are a Fake copy material brought from Asia, Many sellers on Trademe have no issue in declaring it as Cordura when its not however.
An Accurate description would be Polyester outer shell, or possibly a Nylon outer shell, the use of the word Cordura is likely to be B.S

[1tonne]

Nylon Cordura used in many high quality motorcycle garments as it is a strong, abrasion resistant material.

Why is it that every time there is a 1Tonne product on Kiwi biker, the opposition has to pipe up. He only tries to drag other brands down to lift himself up. Why cant the opposition build his own brand by letting his customers do the talking. That is what I do. My customers put a lot of good comments on Kiwibiker but not long after, the opposition will always try to drag the products down in one way or another. He can't help himself. It is not an honourable thing to do. I myself would not lower myself to do this.
My brand builds itself as people get to know of our quality. They then comment to other bikers about our quality and so therefore our brand grows. I do not drag other brands down. I have never commented on the oppositions garments as that would not be the right thing to do.
Our quality is exceptional and our service is brilliant too. Check out our feedback http://www.1tonne.co.nz/feedback/
The opposition needs to be more careful as he is damaging his own business by being petty. Q should keep to his own threads.

[Quasievil]

Nylon Cordura used in many high quality motorcycle garments as it is a strong, abrasion resistant material.

Why is it that every time there is a 1Tonne product on Kiwi biker, the opposition has to pipe up. He only tries to drag other brands down to lift himself up. Why cant the opposition build his own brand by letting his customers do the talking. That is what I do. My customers put a lot of good comments on Kiwibiker but not long after, the opposition will always try to drag the products down in one way or another. He can't help himself. It is not an honourable thing to do. I myself would not lower myself to do this.
My brand builds itself as people get to know of our quality. They then comment to other bikers about our quality and so therefore our brand grows. I do not drag other brands down. I have never commented on the oppositions garments as that would not be the right thing to do.
Our quality is exceptional and our service is brilliant too. Check out our feedback http://www.1tonne.co.nz/feedback/
The opposition needs to be more careful as he is damaging his own business by being petty. Q should keep to his own threads.

Who said I was even talking about you, sorry but I wasnt. But seen you think so, fact is that this jacket of yours isnt Cordura it is a fake cordura, so again you mislead the market with false advertising which is something you adopt so readily even if only the B.S RRP claims, and professional race suits claims
Honour lol, funny !!

I am and have been involved on KB for 7 years, and am active on many threads actually. Unlike you.

Dont you need to go and pay Shaun some more money ???

[Shaun]

Who said I was even talking about you, sorry but I wasnt. But seen you think so, fact is that this jacket of yours isnt Cordura it is a fake cordura, so again you mislead the market with false advertising which is something you adopt so readily even if only the B.S RRP claims, and professional race suits claims
Honour lol, funny !!

I am and have been involved on KB for 7 years, and am active on many threads actually. Unlike you.

Dont you need to go and pay Shaun some more money ???



I will accept any money, from any company that I choose to support there product, ( I trust 1tonne product) thanks for pointing out that I DO SUPPORT www.1tonne.co.nz

Keep up the good work Nathan

[1tonne]

I am and have been involved on KB for 7 years, and am active on many threads actually. Unlike you.

Are you trying to make yourself sound important?

Not worth replying to you as customers know that your are opposition and most kiwi bikers know your personality.

[Quasievil]

Are you trying to make yourself sound important?

Not worth replying to you as customers know that your are opposition and most kiwi bikers know your personality.

you cant reply as Im right you mean, look at the latest advert in Motorcycle trader mag

Cordura sports pants....600 denier Cordura (no comprimises) *800 Denier Cordura on the Hips.............

That is false advertising and misuse of a trademark i.e. Cordura.

You can Bullshit the market mate, but you aint sucking me into it, frankly im tired of it as are many in the industry so best clean yourself up.

[1tonne]

Don't worry there are a few people that seem to this on KB. I wont bother supporting people/companies who indulge in such behaviour and I know alot of my mates feel the same way!

Thanks for your support. It is much appreciated. Cheers.

[flyingcrocodile46]

No probs. At the end of the day if someone say's that you are faslely advertising a product and they believe that they have proof then they should take you to court. If they're not prepared to do so then they need to STFU not prance around on an internet forum defaming other companies!!

I disagree. It is not always practical to take court action to address things that are not right. It must be ever so satisfying to live in a black and white world like yours, but the great majority of us don't. Debate and discussion is healthy (part of the education process), stifling it is not. Thanks for your opinion but as it appears very close minded I shall be ignoring it.

[Maha]

About a year ago I started a thread on the issue of slagging off.
A member who works in the Motorcycle gear industry was forever slagging Quasi's gear.
I thought then, and I still think now, that kind of carry on is bullshit.
Both 1tonne and Quasi are trying to make a living in a tough industry.
Thier gear aint the best on the market (they would both like to think it is) but there is better, but they both offer another option, thats all.
As for quality? I have own a couple of Quasi items and can honestly say that the product was well made.
To see two businessmen react like they do on here because of one has said is, quite frankly, laughable.

[1tonne]

I thought then, and I still think now, that kind of carry on is bullshit. To see two businessmen react like they do on here because of one has said is, quite frankly, laughable.

I agree. I do not like this type of carry on either. I believe that the industry is big enough for the both of us.

[Quasievil]

I love it, good way to tell a small part of the market about what crap gets sold on Trademe under B.S and misleading hype, that was my point originally.

and Im not wrong.

[nadroj]

Quasi - I have always thought your product was good and I have attempted to support you as you have supported others on this site, however your actions today are such that your "godliness" has disappeared. I have looked at your gear on trade stands and at your house but have been unable to find the fit to my liking. I'm sorry but I will not be pursuing any more interest in your product - please remove me from your mailing list.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Quasi - I have always thought your product was good and I have attempted to support you as you have supported others on this site, however your actions today are such that your "godliness" has disappeared.

Gee that seems a bit unfair. I have been following the thread and don't believe Quasi is to blame. I started a parallel line of discussion in the thread concerning the merits of textile jackets which took it a little off topic. I believe it was that line of discussion that Quasi was addressing when he made his post about tardme traders.

See for yourself below;



No, they are saying the RRP is $599, but they are sellingthem for $200.


BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH I sell my Viper jacket for $465 RRP $1,000.000.00 now thats a deal !!

Maybe not a necessary post (but how many KB posts really are) but certainly not slagging anyone or their product off.


Any idea what the denier rating was (aka, thickness)? After you came off, how did the jacket have to protect you (e,g. did you slide on your back, roll, slide on your front, etc), or did you slide on your arse?


Cheaper jackets that reside on TM are Not actually Genuine Dupont Cordura they are a Fake copy material brought from Asia, Many sellers on Trademe have no issue in declaring it as Cordura when its not however.
An Accurate description would be Polyester outer shell, or possibly a Nylon outer shell, the use of the word Cordura is likely to be B.S

I don't believe for a minute that the above statement isn't factual. There were enough posts in the thread discussing (non manufacturer specific) performance of textile gear in general terms. The above quote was relevant and factual to those posts. Name a thread at KB that has ever being strictly on topic. I can understand why 1 Tonne might have misinterpreted the post but not how. It was pretty obvious to non emotive readers that it was not directed at 1 Tonne.


Nylon Cordura used in many high quality motorcycle garments as it is a strong, abrasion resistant material.

Why is it that every time there is a 1Tonne product on Kiwi biker, the opposition has to pipe up. He only tries to drag other brands down to lift himself up. Why cant the opposition build his own brand by letting his customers do the talking. That is what I do. My customers put a lot of good comments on Kiwibiker but not long after, the opposition will always try to drag the products down in one way or another. He can't help himself. It is not an honourable thing to do. I myself would not lower myself to do this.
My brand builds itself as people get to know of our quality. They then comment to other bikers about our quality and so therefore our brand grows. I do not drag other brands down. I have never commented on the oppositions garments as that would not be the right thing to do.
Our quality is exceptional and our service is brilliant too. Check out our feedback http://www.1tonne.co.nz/feedback/
The opposition needs to be more careful as he is damaging his own business by being petty. Q should keep to his own threads.

I don't know about other threads which may or may not support the above accusations but on the merits of this thread in isolation, this post appears unwarranted and where it started to get personal

Quasi probably felt compelled to address the accusations and somewhat understandably stepped it up but he certainly didn't start it.

[Quasievil]

quasi slags 1tonne off every chance he gets

If you knew how to read you would see Again, I didnt start it, I finished it with a few facts, which according to Dupont are facts, what ??? you dont think I do my homework ??


It's BORING

Yet you always seem to get involved which highlights your agenda.

[Quasievil]

Gee that seems a bit unfair. I have been following the thread and don't believe Quasi is to blame. I started a parallel line of discussion in the thread concerning the merits of textile jackets which took it a little off topic. I believe it was that line of discussion that Quasi was addressing when he made his post about tardme traders.

See for yourself below;






Maybe not a necessary post (but how many KB posts really are) but certainly not slagging anyone or their product off.





I don't believe for a minute that the above statement isn't factual. There were enough posts in the thread discussing (non manufacturer specific) performance of textile gear in general terms. The above quote was relevant and factual to those posts. Name a thread at KB that has ever being strictly on topic. I can understand why 1 Tonne might have misinterpreted the post but not how. It was pretty obvious to non emotive readers that it was not directed at 1 Tonne.



I don't know about other threads which may or may not support the above accusations but on the merits of this thread in isolation, this post appears unwarranted and where it started to get personal

Quasi probably felt compelled to address the accusations and somewhat understandably stepped it up but he certainly didn't start it.

Thank god someone knows how to read on this site

[Gizzit]

is that a 'seller of inferior gear' .... isn't doing very well selling 'rubbish gear' (that's my opinion, having owned & crashed in it, and having the stitching come apart).
This same seller said I must have had some direct impact on the seam, for it to come undone under my arm. I didn't have any impact there, it just split open with stress !!

My wife's leather trousers bought from this seller, and used once, then had the stitching come apart on one of the lower leg zips! The garment was only worn once, and she had tried it on before buying it. The fit was fine, it was just poorly made.

Since taking this seller to task on KB, about the continual slagging off of other peoples gear, I have had other KB members send me private emails saying how poor this particular sellers gear is, and that they have had stitching come apart, and on one garment, more than once.

Initially I bought into the hype on here, and I had supported this seller on this site.

However, this seller continues to try and affect the rights of other sellers here, by preventing them from selling good quality gear, without this seller harassing them. I find this kind of dirty tactic SHOULD be below the dignity and integrity of most 'business people' (I use that term loosely for this seller).It shows a total lack of business acumen and professionalism.

The scales need to be balanced!

This person chooses to denigrate other suppliers of quality gear, with the obvious intention to some how elevate their own gear, by trying to stupidly rubbish the opposition. Most intelligent people can see right through those kind of tactics .....
I can only deduce from this sellers comments on here, that their business is no longer that good.
The problem is .... you need to sell QUALITY gear yourself, to get continued support for your products ..... not stooping once again, to trying to prevent opposition from selling their gear, by trying to sabotage them.

I think that there should be equal rights and opportunities for ALL seller's of quality gear on this site, without any further pathetic, low grade comments.

Here's a novel idea !!! Why not GROW UP ..... and move on !! STOP this rubbish for good on here.

I don't visit this site much any more, and this is mostly why .... I can't be bothered with this kind of rubbish.

[p.dath]

If you knew how to read you would see Again, I didnt start it, I finished it with a few facts, which according to Dupont are facts, what ??? you dont think I do my homework ??

We know you do your homework as this is your field. You are a professional in it.

You do realise that DuPoint haven't owned the Cordura brand name since 2004?

And before then the actual definition of Cordura has been changed several times. In the early years "Cordura" was originally a yarn used in car tyres. When DuPoint was involved with the product they re-used the Cordura trade mark to sell all sorts of things. Most of the Cordura product line has nothing to do with Motorcycle safety garments.

Cordura is almost a generic trademark. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the trademark in a court challenge on this basis if anyone bothered.

http://www2.dupont.com/Heritage/en_US/related_topics/condura.html

[Quasievil]

We know you do your homework as this is your field. You are a professional in it.

You do realise that DuPoint haven't owned the Cordura brand name since 2004?

And before then the actual definition of Cordura has been changed several times. In the early years "Cordura" was originally a yarn used in car tyres. When DuPoint was involved with the product they re-used the Cordura trade mark to sell all sorts of things. Most of the Cordura product line has nothing to do with Motorcycle safety garments.

Cordura is almost a generic trademark. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost the trademark in a court challenge on this basis if anyone bothered.

http://www2.dupont.com/Heritage/en_US/related_topics/condura.html




Invista have the CORDURA® brand now, for ease I used the word Dupont, but yes your right. according to the Cordura brand manager Tim Anson European CORDURA® Brand business manager, they are very much interested in protecting the brand.
Cordura remains a proprietary product, my comment about fake cordura (spawned from the technical disscussions we where having earlier) remains.

[1tonne]

Point made Quassi. I understand.
Even though our garments are CORDURA, I do not have the rights to use the name as the name of the material that I use belongs to someone else.
I thought that I was allowed to use the name CORDURA as the material is cordura. Like Denim is Denim. anyone can use Denim. The fact that it is owned by INVISTA means I will happily change the name.
The fact that we cannot use the word cordura does not take away from the fact that our gear is great quality and NZ's best value for money.
Thanks Quassi for pointing this out to me. Cheers.

[Quasievil]

Point made Quassi. I understand.
Even though our garments are CORDURA, .

If you use Cordura then you dont need to change at all, you are entitled to use the name, as you use the product. But you would be interested to know that Cordura makes the following motorcycle products,
Cordura ballistic,
Cordura Classic
Cordura Lite ?

none of the denier ratings you advertise are available in these Cordura motorcycle products, so check the rating they are giving you and advertise it right in line with the Cordura product denier listings, ie

Balistic is

470
700
940
1170
1400

Classic is
88
180
265
370
560
770
810
1080
1110

Lite (which I doubt but it is)
235
350
470
700

if you want to check that your maker is being honest with you, pm me and I will give you the Invistas company reps contact details

[spacemonkey]

Don't worry there are a few people that seem to this on KB. I wont bother supporting people/companies who indulge in such behaviour and I know alot of my mates feel the same way!



The why bother with your tirade in THIS thread about 1tonne? hmm?

Pretty much sum's up my opinion of the matter.... I've had a look at quasi's gear that friends ride in, it seems at first glance to be of an acceptable standard. However quasi's consistant slagging off of guys like 1tonne or posting in a manner that creates that impression means that I wouldn't ever buy his products.
I'd still consider 1tonnes though. :yes:

[Biggles08]

Pretty much sum's up my opinion of the matter.... I've had a look at quasi's gear that friends ride in, it seems at first glance to be of an acceptable standard. However quasi's consistant slagging off of guys like 1tonne or posting in a manner that creates that impression means that I wouldn't ever buy his products.
I'd still consider 1tonnes though. :yes:


Well I've stayed silent long enough on this thread....

This sort of shit pisses me off...their is information and misinformation. I personally know Quasi and he sponsors me as a racer....there you have it, my loyalties lay out in the open.

1tonne gear to me seems likely that it is a decent brand of gear of decent quality also but have had no experience with it and hence cannot make any relevant comment on it. WHAT PISSES ME OFF is people miss-quoting other people like this quote here?! Have another read of this thread from the beginning...Quasi never said anything in relation to 1tonne gear being "the cheap shit on TM" he was merely pointing out what the differences were between 'REAL' Codura and fake.

HOWEVER, If 1tonne gear is not real CODURA as it appears it isn't (by your own admission), then I think Quasi has a right to point it out...even though that wasn't the original reason for his post. 1tonne, I believe you have done yourself a disservice by arguing and getting personal (maybe from history with Quasi I'm not sure why) here about this point as people have the right to know EXACTLY what your product is made out of. If it is CODURA then there is no problem you stating it. If it is something other than CODURA you should be upfront about what it is and the benefits it has over CODURA and sell it as it is...your product (Exactly what you were saying Quasi should be doing).

Like I have said, I'm definitely not bagging 1tonne products, I am only standing up for Quasi's right as a supplier of leather product's to challenge ANYONE using a branded product inaccurately.

There is no benefit for Quasi to challenge opposition products unless there is a reason. In fact, he admires Sam from Celtic Leathers as a good manufacturer and I know they have a good working relationship regardless of the fact that they are opposition to each other.

As for the quality of Quasi gear, I 100% believe and endorse his products as being equal if not superior to ANY protective gear on the market today - This is why I CHOSE HIS PRODUCTS over all the other brands available! I've personally had some impressive offs while wearing his products and KNOW they are top quality! Check out this pic from the Nats this year...got up with not one injury (bruising sure) from this crash...landed squarely on my shoulder too...

[p.dath]

HOWEVER, If 1tonne gear is not real CODURA as it appears it isn't (by your own admission), then I think Quasi has a right to point it out...even though that wasn't the original reason for his post. 1tonne, I believe you have done yourself a disservice by arguing and getting personal (maybe from history with Quasi I'm not sure why) here about this point as people have the right to know EXACTLY what your product is made out of. If it is CODURA then there is no problem you stating it. If it is something other than CODURA you should be upfront about what it is and the benefits it has over CODURA and sell it as it is...your product (Exactly what you were saying Quasi should be doing).

And that's the tricky bit. Many people manufacture nylon the same as the trademark Cordura material. It can be the same manufacturing process, but is obviously not licenced to use the Cordura trademark. So although it does not bear the Cordura trademark, it is not necessarily any different.

It's kinda like comparing an OEM oil filter to a third party oil filter made to the same specifications as the OEM one.

[vindy500]

Well I've stayed silent long enough on this thread....

This sort of shit pisses me off...their is information and misinformation. I personally know Quasi and he sponsors me as a racer....there you have it, my loyalties lay out in the open.

1tonne gear to me seems likely that it is a decent brand of gear of decent quality also but have had no experience with it and hence cannot make any relevant comment on it. WHAT PISSES ME OFF is people miss-quoting other people like this quote here?! Have another read of this thread from the beginning...Quasi never said anything in relation to 1tonne gear being "the cheap shit on TM" he was merely pointing out what the differences were between 'REAL' Codura and fake.

HOWEVER, If 1tonne gear is not real CODURA as it appears it isn't (by your own admission), then I think Quasi has a right to point it out...even though that wasn't the original reason for his post. 1tonne, I believe you have done yourself a disservice by arguing and getting personal (maybe from history with Quasi I'm not sure why) here about this point as people have the right to know EXACTLY what your product is made out of. If it is CODURA then there is no problem you stating it. If it is something other than CODURA you should be upfront about what it is and the benefits it has over CODURA and sell it as it is...your product (Exactly what you were saying Quasi should be doing).



It just seems like as soon as anyone has something positive to say about any opposition to quasi hes straight in there bagging anything which isn't him. It all just seems a bit wrong, you wouldnt walk into a competitors shop and tell everyone to leave, go to your shop instead because your products are better(and more expensive) would you?

[Quasievil]

And that's the tricky bit. Many people manufacture nylon the same as the trademark Cordura material. It can be the same manufacturing process, but is obviously not licenced to use the Cordura trademark. So although it does not bear the Cordura trademark, it is not necessarily any different.

It's kinda like comparing an OEM oil filter to a third party oil filter made to the same specifications as the OEM one.

A respected Trademark has a certain integrity that goes with it, to use your example of a oil filter, If I sell a Filter called "Bro filters" and market them as FORD oem filters then thats not right and its also illegal, which is potentially the same scenario if people are using the Cordura brand name and selling a copy.

[Quasievil]

It just seems like as soon as anyone has something positive to say about any opposition to quasi hes straight in there bagging


Hardly get a grip

[Biggles08]

And that's the tricky bit. Many people manufacture nylon the same as the trademark Cordura material. It can be the same manufacturing process, but is obviously not licenced to use the Cordura trademark. So although it does not bear the Cordura trademark, it is not necessarily any different.

It's kinda like comparing an OEM oil filter to a third party oil filter made to the same specifications as the OEM one.

That most likely is the case P.dath but I know its common in various industries. For EG, "plaster board" is commonly referred to as "Gib Board" in the building trade, however, all these 'equivalent' products KNOW that they cannot advertise that their product IS 'Gib Board' as it is not! In fact an opposition product called 'Elephant board' has fairly recently become synonymous in the building trade as an alternative to 'Gib Board' and has done so on their own back. Tell me why should the motorcycling industry be any different. If CODURA product is not used in 1Tonne products, he should not say it is! Simple...besides which, as Quasi has correctly pointed out, its the law!

Quasimoto has built his brand up over a period of time to what it is now "Q-Moto" and he stands beside his product as quality based on its own merits. He uses original "Knox" armor in his suits and states it. For a reference to this, what if an opposition were to sell their product as having original "knox" armor in it when in fact it was a rip off "knox" product. Would you expect Quasi to sit by and watch this pretend product be pushed onto unsuspecting punters without saying anything? I'm not suggesting another brand of armor is not as good as "knox" but if it is not "knox", don't call it that...likewise, if it is not CODURA don't call it that!

I would think that 1tonne would be smarter to do exactly what he has accused Quasimoto of doing and stand behind his own product for what it is, rather than using someone else's brand to promote his own. I'm pretty positive that its good gear, so stand up beside it for what it is... not CODURA.

[Biggles08]

It just seems like as soon as anyone has something positive to say about any opposition to quasi hes straight in there bagging anything which isn't him. It all just seems a bit wrong, you wouldnt walk into a competitors shop and tell everyone to leave, go to your shop instead because your products are better(and more expensive) would you?
Wrong...ask Quasi about Celtic gear....go on!

[Maha]

Codura is for chicks, this should be in Biker Angels.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Well I've stayed silent long enough on this thread....

This sort of shit pisses me off...their is information and misinformation. I personally know Quasi and he sponsors me as a racer....there you have it, my loyalties lay out in the open.

1tonne gear to me seems likely that it is a decent brand of gear of decent quality also but have had no experience with it and hence cannot make any relevant comment on it. WHAT PISSES ME OFF is people miss-quoting other people like this quote here?! Have another read of this thread from the beginning...Quasi never said anything in relation to 1tonne gear being "the cheap shit on TM" he was merely pointing out what the differences were between 'REAL' Codura and fake.

HOWEVER, If 1tonne gear is not real CODURA as it appears it isn't (by your own admission), then I think Quasi has a right to point it out...even though that wasn't the original reason for his post. 1tonne, I believe you have done yourself a disservice by arguing and getting personal (maybe from history with Quasi I'm not sure why) here about this point as people have the right to know EXACTLY what your product is made out of. If it is CODURA then there is no problem you stating it. If it is something other than CODURA you should be upfront about what it is and the benefits it has over CODURA and sell it as it is...your product (Exactly what you were saying Quasi should be doing).

Like I have said, I'm definitely not bagging 1tonne products, I am only standing up for Quasi's right as a supplier of leather product's to challenge ANYONE using a branded product inaccurately.

There is no benefit for Quasi to challenge opposition products unless there is a reason. In fact, he admires Sam from Celtic Leathers as a good manufacturer and I know they have a good working relationship regardless of the fact that they are opposition to each other.

As for the quality of Quasi gear, I 100% believe and endorse his products as being equal if not superior to ANY protective gear on the market today - This is why I CHOSE HIS PRODUCTS over all the other brands available! I've personally had some impressive offs while wearing his products and KNOW they are top quality! Check out this pic from the Nats this year...got up with not one injury (bruising sure) from this crash...landed squarely on my shoulder too...

Well said.

I don't know Quasimoto, 1 tonne, Bret or Nathan and can only really comment on the evidence in this thread (as I haven't read much from either party) but it appears to me that Quasi has been greatly wronged by a bunch of posters in this thread who have chosen to slag off at Quasi on the basis of 'fuck knows' (supposed previous dealings?).

It seems that the common theme coming through from the anti Quasi posters, is that they supposedly have issues with Quasi slagging other traders (again.. no evidence of that happening here.. In fact quite the opposite has occurred).

I am pissing myself laughing at the idiocy of these Kiwi Biker interwobble heroes. What a bunch of hypocritical arsewipes they are. They claim that they dislike Quasi because he slags other traders and the stupid wankers choose to make an issue of it in a thread where Quasi is actually the victim of the very thing that they accuse him of. BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. .:rofl::killingme. What a bunch of morons. :kick:

To make matters even more farcical the dipshits are actually championing the cause of the other trader (who was the party that actually started the slagging match in this thread). Talk about shooting your own feet off, these fucktards guillotined theirs off before they even crossed the starting line. :lol:

I know that many come here for shits and giggles and deliberately attempt to foster arguments for their own entertainment, so reason tends to be a bit lacking in most threads... but MY GOD! Can't they display a modicum of intelligence when doing so. Makes me feel like I'm posting to a forum of fucking retards.:o

BTW, to whomever changed the thread title..... Way to go, your muck raking brings great kudos to KB:rolleyes:

[vindy500]

I'm pretty sure quasi jumped in first :/ on a thread that was reviewing a competitors jacket

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm pretty sure quasi jumped in first :/ on a thread that was reviewing a competitors jacket


My God! After everything I just posted you are too stupid to go back to the start of this thread (which was the review thread to which you refer). If you are either too fucking dumb to comprehend the written evidence or too lazy to do so, then best you just shut the fuck up because you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

[phill-k]

I have a 1tonne leather jacket, textile trousers, & denim trousers all 1tonne and very happy with the quality, haven't fallen yet though.
In the interests of being fair I/m open to either of you supplying a pair of leather trousers, for evaluation, and I'll report honestly if I fall of and live:yes:

[Maha]

My God! After everything I just posted you are too stupid to go back to the start of this thread (which was the review thread to which you refer). If you are either too fucking dumb to comprehend the written evidence or too lazy to do so, then best you just shut the fuck up because you are wrong, wrong, wrong

And you come across like a dick dick dick.


'BTW, to whomever changed the thread title..... Way to go, your muck raking brings great kudos to KB'
PS dick, the thread title was not changed, this is a seperate thread, go back and check....how does it feel to wrong?
Although, Trader V Trader was more fitting because thats what it evolved in to.

Here is the original thread....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124105-1Tonne-All-Season-Explorer-Jacket

[Smifffy]

You might want to sell me a watch. It's a nice watch, it might even have the word Rolex on it. Unless it was actually made by rolex it ain't a rolex.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/6/3/129200281125457742.png

[vindy500]

My God! After everything I just posted you are too stupid to go back to the start of this thread (which was the review thread to which you refer). If you are either too fucking dumb to comprehend the written evidence or too lazy to do so, then best you just shut the fuck up because you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I was reading that thread since it got posted, before it was split, and Im pretty sure quasi jumped in and derailed it first

[Smifffy]

I was reading that thread since it got posted, before it was split, and Im pretty sure quasi jumped in and derailed it first

So what? The dollar is still strong-ish. Buy from some knock down overseas website and grab yourself a bargain. To hell with the local industry and their childish antics...

Are you watching Robert? I think I just did a bad thing....

[Hitcher]

You might want to sell me a watch. It's a nice watch, it might even have the word Rolex on it. Unless it was actually made by rolex it ain't a rolex.

This is the guts of the issue. The names of many popular products become a generic term that may only bear passing resemblance to the original. Not all vacuum flasks are Thermos(TM) flasks; not all cling wrap is Gladwrap(TM), not all ballpoint pens are Biros(TM), not all waterproof membrane fabrics are Goretex(TM), not all woven nylon fabric is Cordura(TM). Whether or not the pretender is as good as the original or not is often a matter of opinion. In some cases the pretender isn't as good because as well as the name, the trademarked original has patented attributes that others cannot legally replicate.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And you come across like a dick dick dick.

Well, bite me, bite me, bite me.:yes:



'BTW, to whomever changed the thread title..... Way to go, your muck raking brings great kudos to KB'
PS dick, the thread title was not changed, this is a seperate thread, go back and check....how does it feel to wrong?
Although, Trader V Trader was more fitting becuase thats what it evolved in to.

Here is the original thread....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124105-1Tonne-All-Season-Explorer-Jacket


Oh very clever but nevertheless not entirely correct eh miss clever clogs! I posted to and read the same thread keeping up to date with the thread via the links to previous posts to the thread as recorded on my profile. When the new thread was split away from the original thread the post history (as recorded in profiles) was linked to it and the thread name changed... as did the link.

So to answer your question. I wouldn't know because I'm not wrong. To all intents and purposes (when accessing original thread links from profile) it is the same thread but appears to have been hijacked and renamed by a meddlesome stirrer :Pokey:

[flyingcrocodile46]

I was reading that thread since it got posted, before it was split, and Im pretty sure quasi jumped in and derailed it first

How can you be pretty sure when you are so wrong. Go back and re-read it or read the abridged version (which was posted in the original thread) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124336-When-is-quot-cordura-quot-not-Cordura?p=1129771420#post1129771420

Edit... a bit hard to follow it properly now that meddlesome mods have been pulling it apart and playing with it. You need to start with the original thread then read this one. It would be easier if the mods just re-merged the two threads under the original thread title. The (now dumped) thread title 'Trader V Trader' is a pretty good indication as to the intent of the offending mod

[rustic101]

I am not going to buy into the He said his is, He said his is.... argument. I have never purchased from either so will look at this issue with fresh eyes.

At the end of the day any purchase a rider makes should be made using independent research with opinions of others used as a gauge. There is no way in hell I will ever use anything that aids my personal safety without first conducting extensive research.

The old adage is 'Buyer Beware'. If it turns to shit blame yourself (read, learn) not the product or the trader, as no one forces you to buy something You don't want.

Disclaimer - X wives excluded lol

[rustic101]

You might want to sell me a watch. It's a nice watch, it might even have the word Rolex on it. Unless it was actually made by rolex it ain't a rolex.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/6/3/129200281125457742.png

I have a case that disproves this theory (not watches). I use Deal Extreme. I purchased several blue-tooth earpieces, none of which were 'branded'. I recently identified the earpieces were made for Nokia but unsold, so were sent to a clearing house had the 'labels' removed and were on sold. Ever the suspicious, I got my hands on a genuine Nokia earpieces and ripped it to bits next to the non branded version. under the microscope the parts were exactly the same, right down to the chip set.

[Hitcher]

The online world is hard on traders as it multiplies the effectiveness of word-of-mouth many fold. Some traders don't engage with this and are oblivious to remarks that may be made about them online. Other traders actively participate in online forums, sometimes finding it hard to know when or how to contribute to an online discussion. This is complicated when a trader also engages with the site as both a trader and as a member, as people find it hard to know what hat they may be wearing or of their qualifications to comment with any authority.

Those of us who have been active on this site for a while know who is who and what baggage they carry on a range of issues. Newer members don't have the benefit of prior knowledge and will judge thread content at face value. My own rep status bears testimony to this.

In the absence of Government-regulated motorcycle clothing standards, there is a place in the market for manufacturers offering apparel at a variety of price points. One person's "good value" can be another's "cheap and nasty". As long as folk are happy with their purchases and the respective suppliers are not misrepresenting the products they are selling, all should be well.

If suppliers are misrepresenting their goods, they should be wary of New Zealand's laws around this, as the penalties can be severe.

[Mom]

I have read this thread, well what ever it was called when the two major contributors began to "unslag" each others product. For two apparently honest traders to be reduced to slugging it out on an internet forum over anything is pathetic. This morning I saw them arguing and psudeo agreeing over semantics over a name, it is beyond pathetic really. Does nothing to convince me to even want to look at their gear, let alone buy it.

To see two companies ( I am making an assumption here) lowering themselves to a blow by blow on an internet forum over a consumer review is sad and demeaning. To see this kind of discussion anytime a thread on gear appears on here is pathetic. Like I said, I am a non buyer of either product as a result.

A simple lesson in marketing 101 may actually be beneficial to either party, dont bag your competitions product, it makes people want to go and buy it. When both parties bag each other, they both lose, the market will go elsewhere.

Pathetic!

[Motu]

Any time a sales rep started slagging a competitors product he was out my door and I wouldn't deal with them.A product sells on it's own merit to me...talk the talk all you like,and I'll make my decision - but pull another product down to make yours look better,and I've made my choice right there.

[sil3nt]

There is only one way to resolve this. Stick them both in a room each kitted out in their own gear with one knife in the middle. Last man standing wins the war.

[flyingcrocodile46]

There is only one way to resolve this. Stick them both in a room each kitted out in their own gear with one knife in the middle. Last man standing wins the war.


Lol.. Best start looking for a suitable knife. Maybe someone can start a knife review thread:laugh:

[Biggles08]

I have read this thread, well what ever it was called when the two major contributors began to "unslag" each others product. For two apparently honest traders to be reduced to slugging it out on an internet forum over anything is pathetic. This morning I saw them arguing and psudeo agreeing over semantics over a name, it is beyond pathetic really. Does nothing to convince me to even want to look at their gear, let alone buy it.

To see two companies ( I am making an assumption here) lowering themselves to a blow by blow on an internet forum over a consumer review is sad and demeaning. To see this kind of discussion anytime a thread on gear appears on here is pathetic. Like I said, I am a non buyer of either product as a result.

A simple lesson in marketing 101 may actually be beneficial to either party, dont bag your competitions product, it makes people want to go and buy it. When both parties bag each other, they both lose, the market will go elsewhere.

Pathetic!

Mom...you really should go back and re read the thread properly this time....because you are wrong. Quasi NEVER bagged 1tonne or made any reference to the quality good or bad!? He was adding to a conversation about the merits or otherwise of CODURA products and pointed out that not all products that call themselves CODURA are in fact 'CON'DURA. It was then 1tonne that launched into Quasi for pointing this out!? By and by it came out that in fact 1tonne was one of those companies that did sell product as being CODURA which in fact it isn't! That's not 'bagging an opposition' that's saving someone from litigation! As an interesting side note, due to the content of this thread I see that 1tonne has taken down all references to his product being CODURA from his website (that were there before this thread evolved). I think we should be congratulating Quasi for highlighting this issue for 1tonne...don't you?

I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.:innocent:

[rustic101]

Lol.. Best start looking for a suitable knife. Maybe someone can start a knife review thread:laugh:

Screw knives, my Gerber will kick any knifes blade by miles:rofl:

[flyingcrocodile46]

The online world is hard on traders as it multiplies the effectiveness of word-of-mouth many fold. Some traders don't engage with this and are oblivious to remarks that may be made about them online. Other traders actively participate in online forums, sometimes finding it hard to know when or how to contribute to an online discussion. This is complicated when a trader also engages with the site as both a trader and as a member, as people find it hard to know what hat they may be wearing or of their qualifications to comment with any authority.

Those of us who have been active on this site for a while know who is who and what baggage they carry on a range of issues. Newer members don't have the benefit of prior knowledge and will judge thread content at face value. My own rep status bears testimony to this.

In the absence of Government-regulated motorcycle clothing standards, there is a place in the market for manufacturers offering apparel at a variety of price points. One person's "good value" can be another's "cheap and nasty". As long as folk are happy with their purchases and the respective suppliers are not misrepresenting the products they are selling, all should be well.

If suppliers are misrepresenting their goods, they should be wary of New Zealand's laws around this, as the penalties can be severe.

:first: Top post.

Pity about the rep testimony thing :laugh:




I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.:innocent:



As other posters have correctly stated, some of the knock off product are produced using the exact same processes and have comparable performance. It has also been rightly said that "you need to do your research". A lot of brands use alternatives to "Cordura" without any compromise in performance and safety, and looking at 1 Tonnes feedback it doesn't look like anyone has cause to doubt that 1Tonne have "done their research".



On the Rolex side... More ways than one to skin a cat
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1771215403.html


;)


Screw knives, my Gerber will kick any knifes blade by miles:rofl:

'Waves' Leatherman :laugh:

[shafty]

1. Don't know either Trader 2. Haven't bought or used either product 3. Seems to me they are different parts of the market 4. I feel it unfair to say Q-Moto has slagged off, or referrred to another product by name, when he hasn't

[Grubber]

I disagree. It is not always practical to take court action to address things that are not right. It must be ever so satisfying to live in a black and white world like yours, but the great majority of us don't. Debate and discussion is healthy (part of the education process), stifling it is not. Thanks for your opinion but as it appears very close minded I shall be ignoring it.

there are also very strict laws governing the defamation of other products or brands. In business there is also that invisible line that you don't cross. The one where you sell your brand without ridiculing others.

[Grubber]

Mom...you really should go back and re read the thread properly this time....because you are wrong. Quasi NEVER bagged 1tonne or made any reference to the quality good or bad!? He was adding to a conversation about the merits or otherwise of CODURA products and pointed out that not all products that call themselves CODURA are in fact 'CON'DURA. It was then 1tonne that launched into Quasi for pointing this out!? By and by it came out that in fact 1tonne was one of those companies that did sell product as being CODURA which in fact it isn't! That's not 'bagging an opposition' that's saving someone from litigation! As an interesting side note, due to the content of this thread I see that 1tonne has taken down all references to his product being CODURA from his website (that were there before this thread evolved). I think we should be congratulating Quasi for highlighting this issue for 1tonne...don't you?

I'm not sure however what 1tonne is going to do about all those jackets he has sold already to people that have a "CODURA" label attached to their jackets though (if they have them...not sure)... I know if I bought a ROLEX watch and found out it wasn't, I may be inclined to ask for a refund.:innocent:

I believe he did actually do just that in a round about way. The original post at the start by Quasi was referring to a 1 tonne jacket that was up for sale. All i can say is that i disapprove of any manufacture slagging. Sell on your quality of service and/or product and leave the rest to do their job. If it's good enough, people will return

[Grubber]

I'm pretty sure quasi jumped in first :/ on a thread that was reviewing a competitors jacket

Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.

[Grubber]

My God! After everything I just posted you are too stupid to go back to the start of this thread (which was the review thread to which you refer). If you are either too fucking dumb to comprehend the written evidence or too lazy to do so, then best you just shut the fuck up because you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Goodness me young man. Think you should read the very first post again. It clearly relates to competitors jacket.....wow i think you need to learn to read. Obviously raking some cash in off sponsorship that you can't afford to be without.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Goodness me young man. Think you should read the very first post again. It clearly relates to competitors jacket.....wow i think you need to learn to read.

I imagine that this will come as a bit of a shock to you, but every post in a thread is not in response to the first post :rolleyes: In fact hardly any ever are.

Yes Quasi's first post wasn't necessary (in point of fact if you weren't so quick to jump to conclusions and had read the thread yourself you would see I had already pointed out that it was a unnecessary post) but neither was it deriding the competitors product. It was simply a smart arse comment in regard to a marketing ploy that many choose to use to mislead people as to the comparable value of products. Your comment "wow i think you need to learn to read" is quite laughable in the face of your quite apparent comprehension failure. Poking fun at a marketing strategy aimed at the naive is not attacking another manufacturers product. Only emotive fuckwits who choose to interpret written words by imagining additional words between them could possibly read things that way.

Try reading the words without your pessimistic imagination getting all tangled up in them.


Obviously raking some cash in off sponsorship that you can't afford to be without.

Further evidence of the lack of relevance that shit head posters place in facts. No dickhead I am not.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.


Wrong

Does anyone at this fucking forum actually read before they excrete their witless observations??

[Biggles08]

Correct! Very first post i believe! Didn't name it but he would have known what it was from the start, otherwise what was the point of it all.

Grubber...I'm pretty sure you need to learn to read...here I'll spell it out for you....THE POINT OF IT ALL WAS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW NOT ALL BRANDS THAT CLAIM TO BE CODURA ARE!!! - that's the ONLY point he was making with the 'some traders on TM' comment...read it again! The fact that 1tonne appears now to be one of those brands is something I did not know UNTIL 1tonne themselves came on here and admitted to it...then proceeded to remove ALL reference of "CODURA" (a protected brand name) from their website...case closed! Stop trying to make Quasi the bad guy here...he has never claimed his product is made from anything other than top quality leather. Grow up and stop making shit up!

[flyingcrocodile46]

I believe he did actually do just that in a round about way. The original post at the start by Quasi was referring to a 1 tonne jacket that was up for sale. All i can say is that i disapprove of any manufacture slagging. Sell on your quality of service and/or product and leave the rest to do their job. If it's good enough, people will return

No it wasn't. Go back and read it again and smack yourself around the head 100 times with a clue bat until you see the words on the monitor rather than those formed by the alphabet soup in your pea head.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Grubber...I'm pretty sure you need to learn to read...here I'll spell it out for you....THE POINT OF IT ALL WAS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW NOT ALL BRANDS THAT CLAIM TO BE CODURA ARE!!! - that's the ONLY point he was making with the 'some traders on TM' comment...read it again! The fact that 1tonne appears now to be one of those brands is something I did not know UNTIL 1tonne themselves came on here and admitted to it...then proceeded to remove ALL reference of "CODURA" (a protected brand name) from their website...case closed! Stop trying to make Quasi the bad guy here...he has never claimed his product is made from anything other than top quality leather. Grow up and stop making shit up!

Amen......!

[Biggles08]

I believe he did actually do just that in a round about way. The original post at the start by Quasi was referring to a 1 tonne jacket that was up for sale. All i can say is that i disapprove of any manufacture slagging. Sell on your quality of service and/or product and leave the rest to do their job. If it's good enough, people will return

So emotive claims of things like inflated RRP (this is a personal opinion from 1tonne which was responded to by quasi with the use of sarcasm I grant you) and the false claim of using 'CODURA' is ok in your books then? If you knew about it being a false statement on 1tonnes behalf, would you tell people? I would...not just that, ANYONE misinforming people, knowingly or otherwise...the fact is (as I keep repeating myself for slow learners) 1tonne jackets DO NOT USE CODURA and were saying they did. The have fixed this issue now thanks to Quasi bringing this up (in a polite way I might add - hell, he even offered the contact details for the CODURA rep to make sure 1tonne's supplier wasn't ripping him off FFS) and now each can go on selling to their respective customers.

Grubber, the more you go on about this, the more you will harm the business of 1tonne as I will continue to defend Quasi's actions until people like you see the truth...so if you want to continue, I'm not adverse to either. If you were to ask 1tonne however, I'm sure he would like this thread to go away now that things have been cleared up.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So emotive claims of things like inflated RRP (this is a personal opinion from 1tonne which was responded to by quasi with the use of sarcasm I grant you) and the false claim of using 'CODURA' is ok in your books then? If you knew about it being a false statement on 1tonnes behalf, would you tell people? I would...not just that, ANYONE misinforming people, knowingly or otherwise...the fact is (as I keep repeating myself for slow learners) 1tonne jackets DO NOT USE CODURA and were saying they did. The have fixed this issue now thanks to Quasi bringing this up (in a polite way I might add - hell, he even offered the contact details for the CODURA rep to make sure 1tonne's supplier wasn't ripping him off FFS) and now each can go on selling to their respective customers.

Grubber, the more you go on about this, the more you will harm the business of 1tonne as I will continue to defend Quasi's actions until people like you see the truth...so if you want to continue, I'm not adverse to either. If you were to ask 1tonne however, I'm sure he would like this thread to go away now that things have been cleared up.

Fucking A. This thread is an embarrassment to both manufacturers and as Mom pointed out, it has resulted in damage to the reputation of both of them. Personally I am still keen to look at buying products from either supplier and don't believe that either of them has inferior products. To the contrary, from what I have heard they both offer good value. It will come down to who has the fattest suit Lol

[DIN PELENDA]

I'm going to get me some ALPINESTARS

[Smifffy]

I'm going to get me some ALPINESTARS

Pretty sure they don't use real cordura either..

[Katman]

Meh, personally I'd rather see the traders that are selling the Chinese made German-style helmets, with the bullshit DOT markings, crucified.

[slofox]

I already use Quasi's trousers and jackets.
After wading through this shit storm I have decided I need to get me some of 1 Tonne's boots.
So there ya go...share the love y'know...

[bogan]

I already use Quasi's trousers and jackets.
After wading through this shit storm I have decided I need to get me some of 1 Tonne's boots.
So there ya go...share the love y'know...

whats the shit storm rating on the 1Tonne stuff then? :lol:

[slofox]

whats the shit storm rating on the 1Tonne stuff then? :lol:

dunno - ask me after I try the boots...:whistle:

[ynot slow]

From a sales perspective,a year or so back in the furniture industry there was real el cheapo "leather lounge suites" sold by reasonable chain,parts were leather,but after comerce commission got in the leather was both animal and man made on the suites,leather on seats and arm rests,but imitation under seats etc.

The firm I worked for was caught as well,we were told and the chair sample shown was total leather,once we arranged a container to arrive and sold that lot,we ordered another,that was sold,but along the way as they were electric recliners (at $6-1000 cheaper than others elsewhere)the odd chair had arm rest problems,the odd stitching coming loose,and we saw it wasn't leather.We had to change our adds for next run to say genuine leather and bi-cast/man made leather.

Re boots I bought a pair from Lifestyle Imports,comfy and waterproof,in comparrison my Diadora are tighter fitting and showerproof.Lesson here is the named brands cost more,but do they perform better,not so sure,moral here is try every brand and make your own mind up.

[Rogue Rider]

Cordura is a simple, cheap and readily accessible fabric available anywhere pretty much in the world. It is predominantly made in asia specifically china.
Cordura garments can be made in nearly any eastern/ western country in the world. Nearly all Cordura jackets in NZ come form Pakistan, mexico and Thailand of all places. There are differing grades of Cordura product, and differing quality in manufacturing methods. Don't think for a second that if you pay more you get more..... The best manufacture destination I have seen have come from Pakistan and Mexico. These jackets are manufactured for from $45-55us per jacket and $55us for pants. They also manufacture leather products as well.

It apears to me that many have jumped on the band wagon and imported stuff to make a quick buck. No issue with that, healthy margins when reselling for $400+ per garments.......
I was selling loads of them at $150 and couldn't get enough. Wholesalers like Shoo Industries in Pakistan will supply small orders happily if you rally some mates, you too could get on the saving wagon. All the brands you know are most likely made in the same factory.......... and its easy to tell when you look at there websites.

[p.dath]

Cordura is a simple, cheap and readily accessible fabric available anywhere pretty much in the world. It is predominantly made in asia specifically china.

That's what sparked off this initially. You speak of Cordura as though it is a generic material (as I also tend to do). However "genuine" Cordura is made by Invsita in Texas. While it may be available all over the world, it is not made all over the world.
http://www.cordura.com/

[Biggles08]

Cordura is a simple, cheap and readily accessible fabric available anywhere pretty much in the world. It is predominantly made in asia specifically china.
Cordura garments can be made in nearly any eastern/ western country in the world. Nearly all Cordura jackets in NZ come form Pakistan, mexico and Thailand of all places. There are differing grades of Cordura product, and differing quality in manufacturing methods. Don't think for a second that if you pay more you get more..... The best manufacture destination I have seen have come from Pakistan and Mexico. These jackets are manufactured for from $45-55us per jacket and $55us for pants. They also manufacture leather products as well.

It apears to me that many have jumped on the band wagon and imported stuff to make a quick buck. No issue with that, healthy margins when reselling for $400+ per garments.......
I was selling loads of them at $150 and couldn't get enough. Wholesalers like Shoo Industries in Pakistan will supply small orders happily if you rally some mates, you too could get on the saving wagon. All the brands you know are most likely made in the same factory.......... and its easy to tell when you look at there websites.
Did you even read this thread at all??? I can't believe some people!

Your right about one thing tho...big brands does not always mean better quality...it usually does but not always. Check out the facts of everything your about to buy BEFORE you do and ask things that matter. Personally I find it amazing that there are people out there like you that think it is possible to have the quality of a $400-$600 jacket for $150. Life is not like that unfortunately. Safety gear is not where you should be skimping on quality. Would you buy a parachute for less than 1/4 of the price of the going rate without being suspicious about how good it was? Doubt it. If it seems to good to be true...it is.

[pc220]

This thread must be due for the pd bin by now.

[davebullet]

Well geez. I've had a few bourbons, so the keyboard won't get the usual mental guarding I afford.

Look at it this way, if I ran a business and believed others were claiming something about their products that I believed was not true, I would probably address it directly with the affected manufacturer and if they couldn't prove it, decided not to prove it or ignored me, I'd take it up with the standards body.

If the above had failed, I would worry about people buying gear that I believed may not afford them protection that a brand name used might imply. That might cause me (when I believe things are being mis-represented or my product is better) to promote my product or demote someone elses. It could be because I care about bikers' safety more than lining my own wallet. It could be that I am a passionate motorcyclist, who knows how a crash without the right gear can mean the difference between a quality of life and just a life.

I've never bought 1tonne gear. I cannot comment on it. I know Quasi hasn't posted any indepdent crash test results on his site, comparing "slide for slide" how his product might compare with another well known brand. I can't find similar testing on 1tonne's site either.

Legal suing / brands and other implications and cavaet emptor aside, it would be great if there was a standard abrasion, warmth and dryness test for motorcycle apparel. Having said that, getting "assessed" or "standardised" would probably cost someone like Quasi or 1tonne way way too to much to have done and put you them out of business; because if they did have it done, then they would just have to add that cost onto the jacket price to assure the consumer their product was at a standard stated. We win (knowing what we are buying) but lose (because we pay more than we would otherwise with some research and decisions based on referral).

What we are left with is cavet emptor. I don't know much about motorcycle gear. I haven't binned so I don't know what would handle it and what wouldn't. I have a cheap Hein Gericke jacket I bought for $120NZ - yes that's all. My friend crashed in it at 40kph - and it tore through at the forearm and he got road rash.

I have the same type of jacket. It is warm and dry but I DO NOT trust it. On longer / higher speed trips, I really really only feel safe in my leather jacket.

All I can say people is cavet emptor and back that up with you you usually get what you pay for.

None of the comments have changed my mind over my recent leather jacket purchase. A bin will tell, but I can tell you it is as snug, secure as the day I bought it and that is with almost daily use. Buying quality gear that lasts will save you money and might save your flesh.

[Owl]

Would you buy a parachute for less than 1/4 of the price of the going rate without being suspicious about how good it was?

My last parachute cost me $50 and came with a harness.:D



Here it is:yes:

[phill-k]

That's what sparked off this initially. You speak of Cordura as though it is a generic material (as I also tend to do). However "genuine" Cordura is made by Invsita in Texas. While it may be available all over the world, it is not made all over the world.
http://www.cordura.com/

Invista only own the brand name and the tickets to state the product meets its standards, I think you will find the fabric is manufactured in Asia.

I quote from their site - INVISTA authorized mills that produce qualifying CORDURA® fabrics are the backbone of the CORDURA® brand. Which is why we’re making it easier for mills to get all the important information they need, all from one place. Here you’ll find our approved brand talking points, and have the opportunity to view and download our CORDURA® brand Quality Standards along with other valuable technical information. Authorized mills that are currently producing CORDURA® fabrics can also request trademark license agreements and order hangtags and sew-in-labels. Prospective mills can request consideration for authorized mill status.

So there is not special technology behind Cordura only a methodology of construction. The link on their site to actual factories manufacturing the Cordura style of fabric is broken so as these factories are licensed you can bet like other big brands the manufacturing goes on in Asia.
You can but a Nike brand shoe pay top dollar for same, knowing the company takes advantage of cheap labour in Asia, spends some of their profits on research, which other manufacturers can discover simply by purchasing the product and duplicate it, sometimes equally as well. You can if you wish purchase the branded product, contribute to their often incredible profits, and thus the small proportion allocated to R&D or take the care to purchase a "copy" making sure that the quality is there. Short of a standard being in place it is difficult to sometimes determine whether, the product purchased is suitable to purpose, thus under our consumer guarantees act the purchaser has some protection from manufacturers making claims about their product, when said product falls short. Ultimately however Caveat Emptor applies.

[Highlander]

My last parachute cost me $50 and came with a harness.:D



Here it is:yes:

Is that the one that was advertised as "used once, unopened"?

[sinned]

I've never bought 1tonne gear. I cannot comment on it. I know Quasi hasn't posted any indepdent crash test results on his site, comparing "slide for slide" how his product might compare with another well known brand. I can't find similar testing on 1tonne's site either.

I have the same type of jacket. It is warm and dry but I DO NOT trust it. On longer / higher speed trips, I really really only feel safe in my leather jacket.

All I can say people is cavet emptor and back that up with you you usually get what you pay for.

None of the comments have changed my mind over my recent leather jacket purchase. A bin will tell, but I can tell you it is as snug, secure as the day I bought it and that is with almost daily use. Buying quality gear that lasts will save you money and might save your flesh.

Full testing in a way cars are crashed tested will never happen. However, next best is how actual products stand up to the occasional crash or slide on the track. There are a few local suppliers who can say their products don't pop the seams on a slide down the track - that is a good enough test for me.

[Muppet]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

[avgas]

Cordura is not cordura if its not grown in a small town in France.
Then its called Methode du Traditionalle or something.

[Grubber]

Fact is that this jacket of yours isnt Cordura it is a fake cordura, so again you mislead the market with false advertising which is something you adopt so readily even if only the B.S RRP claims, and professional race suits claims
Honour lol, funny !!

I am and have been involved on KB for 7 years, and am active on many threads actually. Unlike you.

Dont you need to go and pay Shaun some more money ???

Are you reading this properly now!

No it wasn't. Go back and read it again and smack yourself around the head 100 times with a clue bat until you see the words on the monitor rather than those formed by the alphabet soup in your pea head.

Have another look you ranting fool!


So emotive claims of things like inflated RRP (this is a personal opinion from 1tonne which was responded to by quasi with the use of sarcasm I grant you) and the false claim of using 'CODURA' is ok in your books then? If you knew about it being a false statement on 1tonnes behalf, would you tell people? I would...not just that, ANYONE misinforming people, knowingly or otherwise...the fact is (as I keep repeating myself for slow learners) 1tonne jackets DO NOT USE CODURA and were saying they did. The have fixed this issue now thanks to Quasi bringing this up (in a polite way I might add - hell, he even offered the contact details for the CODURA rep to make sure 1tonne's supplier wasn't ripping him off FFS) and now each can go on selling to their respective customers.

Grubber, the more you go on about this, the more you will harm the business of 1tonne as I will continue to defend Quasi's actions until people like you see the truth...so if you want to continue, I'm not adverse to either. If you were to ask 1tonne however, I'm sure he would like this thread to go away now that things have been cleared up.

Defend him all you like. TRUTH??? All a bit ambiguous by the looks of it.


I'm going to get me some ALPINESTARS

Best plan i've heard in ages.

[1tonne]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

Hi.

You can trust the quality of our garments as they are very high quality. If you purchase from us and find the the garments are not as good as what we say, you are most welcome to send it back for a refund and then post on here.
You will be impressed.
I would recomend the All Season Explorer Jacket and the Ranger pants. (both are worn by the wellington police and they are very happy with the quality. Previously they had BMW gear.)

Cheers

[Quasievil]

Well, after reading this online domestic dispute, I'm even more confused than ever. I was seriously looking at 1Tonne pants as my Teknic ones have bit the bullet after many years of punishment in all weathers. Frankly like Robert DeNiro said in the movie Ronin, "if there's any doubt there's no doubt". I'm going to go to either Emoto, Hampton Honda or Budget' here in the garden city and have a look at the Dririder and Teknic stuff, twice the price but peace of mind. Having had a major crash 2 years ago on a public road I can tell you that I will not skimp on gear. I feel the waters are too muddied with these outfits that are selling jackets for $200 and pants for less. The gear I crashed in was BMW. Jacket $1500, pants $800, gloves $250, boots $700, helmet $1500. My 'only' injury was my thigh which was impaled by a bike part which no gear on this earth could have stopped. Oh and a broken arm. The rest of it (gear) remained intact and had to be cut off.

Quasi if you're reading this, do you make any textile gear as I couldn't find any on you site. Cheers.

No we dont sorry, we thought of bringing in genuine Cordura but as the market is full of cheap NON cordura crap we wouldnt be able to compete with the fakes so we wont, the market is full of it and most of it is cheap crap no matter how well it seems to be defended, We do RUKKA however which high end and are in the process of putting this on our site.

[The Pastor]

Hi.

You can trust the quality of our garments as they are very high quality. If you purchase from us and find the the garments are not as good as what we say, you are most welcome to send it back for a refund and then post on here.
You will be impressed.
I would recomend the All Season Explorer Jacket and the Ranger pants. (both are worn by the wellington police and they are very happy with the quality. Previously they had BMW gear.)

Cheers

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

[The Pastor]

I used to think there was no such thing as bad publicity. Then I met qmoto..

[1tonne]

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

Thanks for that. Cheers.

[Rogue Rider]

Hey there was a debate a while back, My Rjays jacket has a Cordura label sewn on the inside. Does that make it genuine Cordura, or just a rip off.

[BOMBER]

Woah, you sound way more clued up than the other retailer on here, might have to check out your gear sometime. Such a nice change to having a professional approach rather than a hunchback bag of attitude!

Yeah Bad Mr Quasi for telling it how it is......not, stick your head back up ya botty hole Renegade it will all go away.

[Crazy Steve]

[QUOTE=Quasievil;1129843702]No we dont sorry, we thought of bringing in genuine Cordura but as the market is full of cheap NON cordura crap we wouldnt be able to compete with the fakes so we wont, the market is full of it and most of it is cheap crap no matter how well it seems to be defended

Bingo ! ! Thats what concerns me ! !

Watering everything down since 1999 even our Protective gear....:angry:

Call it what it is 1Tonne and stop the BS ! !

Crazy Steve.

[1tonne]

[QUOTE=Quasievil;1129843702]No we dont sorry, we thought of bringing in genuine Cordura but as the market is full of cheap NON cordura crap we wouldnt be able to compete with the fakes so we wont, the market is full of it and most of it is cheap crap no matter how well it seems to be defended

Bingo ! ! Thats what concerns me ! !

Watering everything down since 1999 even our Protective gear....:angry:

Call it what it is 1Tonne and stop the BS ! !

Crazy Steve.

Please check our website. We have taken the name out of the advertising. Even though it may be the same product as the original material, we are not allowed to use the name as it has a copyright as Quassi has informed us. It was news to us that the name "Cordura" was copyrighted and so as soon as we were informed, we removed it. The products we sell are very high quality and this is shown by all our satisfied customers. We just don't use the name anymore. That's all it is.

[Rogue Rider]

Lol, even my RJ's jacket that said it's Cordura leaks like a flippin sieve....... Taking it back tomorrow, wet!

I'm sticking with my "Gay As" winter PVC pants and gummys, at least I stay dry......

[Muppet]

When I got back into riding after a 10 year break, I bought a Cordura (Jesus Christ am I allowed to even say the word?) jacket from the shop on the corner of Tuam and Colombo Streets in Christchurch. It was a non branded cheaper jacket (all I could afford, okay okay it's all the wife would let me spend!), but I tell you what it was completely waterproof, breathable and held together when I came off at about 50 km/h. The shop is still there and still sells bike gear to my knowledge.

[Buddha#81]

I have 1 tonne race leathers and "c" road gear. I have found the value for money is incredible and the owners brilliant to deal with!

[Muppet]

I have 1 tonne race leathers and "c" road gear. I have found the value for money is incredible and the owners brilliant to deal with!

Yeah i might have a look at their gear....