Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists?

[miloking]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3779584/Constables-guilty-of-assault

Can someone explain this to me? Arent these guys supposed to protect us as some people on this forum so vehemently argue about....ohh thats right these constables were the "bad" minority of cops right?

Well shit like this just proves my point...the whole bunch of them deserve no respect until they clean up their ranks!

[scumdog]

I was riding for hours, every cop I saw just went straight past and never offered me a glance...I guess it's a North Island problem..

[miloking]

I was riding for hours, every cop I saw just went straight past and never offered me a glance...I guess it's a North Island problem..

ok try not ride your white "company" BMW 1150RT wearing flouro west....get a sports bike and you will see the difference.

OR should i just buy ex-police bike and dress like you guys and hope to get away with shit?

[scumdog]

ok try not ride your white "company" BMW 1150RT wearing flouro west....get a sports bike and you will see the difference.

OR should i just buy ex-police bike and dress like you guys and hope to get away with shit?

OR: Try riding a Harley with an open faced helmet, skull mask and fingerless gloves and you WILL get away with it, I have.

Of course living in the great NorfIyland might be a tad different???

[miloking]

OR: Try riding a Harley with an open faced helmet, skull mask and fingerless gloves and you WILL get away with it, I have.

Of course living in the great NorfIyland might be a tad different???

Yeah but i dont want to be dressed like gang rapist just to enjoy some peaceful motorcycling...not to mention having to ride harley (some say they have fuel injection + showa suspension now so maybe one day they will be rideable)
Oh well, i guess the choice is mine...can always move down south to "Siberia" of New Zealand and see what thats like...(you call it Riviera but i think Siberia is more appropriate :D)

[scumdog]

Yeah but i dont want to be dressed like gang rapist just to enjoy some peaceful motorcycling...not to mention having to ride harley (some say they have fuel injection now so maybe one days they will be rideable)
Oh well, i guess the choice is mine...can always move down south to "Siberia" of New Zealand and see what thats like...

Stay up north, I don't want you ruining a good thing...

And you don't HAVE to look like a 'gang rapist' (whatever THAT looks like?) to enjoy some peacefull motorcycling, - dropping the attitude, chillin' out and some fine warm clothing will do it...unless you're a soft-cock??

[Toaster]

Of course they are in the bad minority.

Just like bikers.... we also have a bad minority that give us a bad name... Like idiots who post rubbish on the internet that show just how stupid they really are, then ride like fools and wonder why they keep getting caught by the police only to rant and blame police for their own transgressions. Weak.

[Toaster]

He would be either very stupid or incredibly brave to be a "gang rapist"..... most gang members would tear him to bits if he tried to have his way with them!!

The engilsh language is SUCH an enigma.

[Fatjim]

OR: Try riding a Harley with an open faced helmet, skull mask and fingerless gloves and you WILL get away with it, I have.

Of course living in the great NorfIyland might be a tad different???

Its not a surprise you don't get pulled over from the description you give. And no, you wouldn't get pulled over here up here either. But looking intimidating and gay at the same time is to high a price to pay for a free pass for me..

[ynot slow]

Out of interest and my thoughts here,maybe the guys had a bit of grief from home,went to work and a smart arse guy gave them shit verbally,they lashed out.Not condoned by me,but I bet each and everyone of us has been to work after an argument at home,bit pissed off and wanted nothing to do with people,someone gets on ya nerves and you lash out,maybe not physical but verbal to somebody,only we're not charged(maybe).
Watching Police 10/7 and seeing the cocks on it the cops deal with no wonder they snap now and again.I mean I'll stand in anyones face and say "you're a wanker,you're mum was great last night,hell you're granny was better than you're wife"etc and you'd want to hit me,well always worked on the soccer field and we're supposed to be soft.

[Mr Merde]

I was riding for hours, every cop I saw just went straight past and never offered me a glance...I guess it's a North Island problem..

North Island prtoblem dealt with in the Dunedin Court???

Dont think so

[CookMySock]

Why? Because they feel angry.

Steve

[Teflon]

More than likely a little bitch with a smart arse attitude who's crying over a broken finger nail...

[bsasuper]

Harley riders with fingerless gloves, breakfast bowl helmets etc get away with it because their to easy to chase down.

[Littleman]

How are you this morning Miloking?

[miloking]

How are you this morning Miloking?

Spledind my dear, no tickets or beating from police today yet...

[miloking]

Of course they are in the bad minority.

Just like bikers.... we also have a bad minority that give us a bad name... Like idiots who post rubbish on the internet that show just how stupid they really are, then ride like fools and wonder why they keep getting caught by the police only to rant and blame police for their own transgressions. Weak.

Ohhh i see what you did there, you like completely turned it around and tried to make me look bad for shameful actions of police :) Clever realy... english language realy is an enigma isnt it.

[zeocen]

Up until the Hornet I had ridden supersport bikes and sport bikes since I started riding and only once have I been pulled up for a "routine check" - it was on my GPX250 back in the hay-day and he checked my licence, moved me on and wished me a good night.

Since then the popo have been moving over for me while I lanesplit to work in the morning, giving me waves if they're on a bike and just generally all-round helpful. All this in Auckland no less.

Just throwing my thoughts and opinions out there, as the original poster has - just for a bit of balance.

[oldrider]

North Island prtoblem dealt with in the Dunedin Court???

Dont think so

I think they moved the case down here to get a better quality of juror! (or something like that!) Pffft.

[flyingcrocodile46]

OR: Try riding a Harley with an open faced helmet, skull mask and fingerless gloves and you WILL get away with it, I have.

Of course living in the great NorfIyland might be a tad different???

Nah! Cops up this way are just as gutless. The scary looking dudes are left alone

[Pixie]

Out of interest and my thoughts here,maybe the guys had a bit of grief from home,went to work and a smart arse guy gave them shit verbally,they lashed out.Not condoned by me,but I bet each and everyone of us has been to work after an argument at home,bit pissed off and wanted nothing to do with people,someone gets on ya nerves and you lash out,maybe not physical but verbal to somebody,only we're not charged(maybe).
Watching Police 10/7 and seeing the cocks on it the cops deal with no wonder they snap now and again.I mean I'll stand in anyones face and say "you're a wanker,you're mum was great last night,hell you're granny was better than you're wife"etc and you'd want to hit me,well always worked on the soccer field and we're supposed to be soft.

Oh......
So it's ok then?

[sinfull]

Seems to me that there has been a hell of a hike in cop bashing threads in the past yr !

I blame ACC !~ The increase of millitants on the site who need to find someone to hate is phenominal !

Bring back the harley bashing threads they were much more fun !

You know something ? (well you don't but i is gonna tell ya anyway haha) I'm hitting 50 in a month or so and the body is feeling the years of abuse i have given it ! If i spend a day riding without the right gear on now my joints seize for the next two, if i spend a day with a sledge hammer and pinch bar doing renovations on a run down batch, i suffer for days afterwards, but it won't stop me doing either !

It's my grandsons 2nd birthday today, woohooo a kiddies party, i love 2 yr olds parties, surrounded by happy crappy nappies who havent learnt to hate anything yet, everything is to be tried, touched, opened, closed, tasted etc etc nothing is evil in their world !

I must be one of the lucky older folk around cause life is good, I have never been bashed by a cop, only ever been treated with the same respect i give them or anyone i ever come accross, i hate no-one and firmly believe no-one hates me, i have a choice of bikes to ride, my Mrs likes to both ride or snuggle behind me, i live in an old house with a warm fire, but dont own it. That was my choice several years ago, but situations change and i have now found a piece of land, that will allow me to surround myself in the company of ppl i enjoy having around, sure i'll have to sell some bikes to free up more cash for the deposit but thats the choice i'm making !
I'll still ride and ride with guys and gals who don't hate life, or what life hands them, they laugh about the ticket someone got on yesterdays ride, cry if a rider goes down, but there is still no hatred !

I am so looking forward to moving onto this new place, calf in the paddock, pig in the pen, chooks in the yard, a building for all my friends to gather and talk shit whenever they want, beds gallore for those who want to stay. There will always be some who join us on rides or come for a social night that feel hatred, but they wont be shown any, they will be offered a bed if they have a few too many, a beer if they turn up at the new place unexpectedly (nothings changed there)

Gee i'm ranting !

Just wanted to say i must be gettin old, cause fuck i'm happy !
Oh wait, i've always been happy but aint always been old, is it just me ?

[thepom]

Me too and I,m sure we,re not the only ones....

[Katman]

Gee i'm ranting !



'Twas a good rant Bill.

[SMOKEU]

I don't blame the cops for wanting to smack people over because of the amount of shit they have to put up with on a daily basis.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I must be one of the lucky older folk around cause life is good, I have never been bashed by a cop, only ever been treated with the same respect i give them or anyone i ever come accross,
Just wanted to say i must be gettin old, cause fuck i'm happy !
Oh wait, i've always been happy but aint always been old, is it just me ?

It is nice to see someone is happy with the life that they have led and the circumstances that have influenced it. If we agree that life was good why does it need to be changed? When I see the general public expressing the opinion that the increasing restrictions on our freedom to live our lives is a good thing rather than the negative feedback that is evident then those changes might be justifiable, but as the opposite appears to be true then they are clearly not justified.

Forces are at work to change the environment that many have enjoyed throughout their lives. The environment that you have been so satisfied with is being changed for the worse. Things aren't the same as they were. The police are busy changing all that. We are moving ever closer to living in a police state every time a new law or tighter interpretations of existing laws are implemented.

Is it not right that people should exercise their right (and duty to humanity) to prevent increasing restrictions on freedom.

The argument that they are doing it for the greater good (safety of the majority) is not an appropriate argument to restrict peoples freedom, particularly when the agents of that change are running people off the road killing and maiming them (in unacceptable circumstances and frequency) in the name of the greater good (which is supposed to be OUR SAFETY). Fuck them I say. As others have said 'This bullshit is driving many to despise them' and it just ain't going to help their cause when they alienate the community that they are paid to look out for.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I don't blame the cops for wanting to smack people over because of the amount of shit they have to put up with on a daily basis.

Cool. I don't blame rapists and murderers who were subjected to verbal or physical abuse by others when they were younger. Let them all go please, it ain't their fault.

[wysper]

Can someone explain this to me? Arent these guys supposed to protect us as some people on this forum so vehemently argue about....ohh thats right these constables were the "bad" minority of cops right?

Well shit like this just proves my point...the whole bunch of them deserve no respect until they clean up their ranks!

Here is the explaination. Shit like that sells papers end of story. There was no real story there until someone discovered their job.

When a police officer is HELPING people when they are off duty, usually that doesn't get reported, because that doesn't sell papers. So you don't hear about that. People just expect them to do that.

I, for one, am thankful for our thin blue line, I couldn't do their job, it is thankless, terrifying, difficult and not that well paid for what they do.

I expect you will say that that is their choice, they chose that job so the should put up with that. I am just thankful that there are people out there that want to help, rather than just complain. There are people out there that have your back, even when it sounds like you would rather put a knife in theirs.

Maybe you have only had bad experience with police. Maybe you should look in the mirror, it might not be all them.

[wysper]

Just wanted to say i must be gettin old, cause fuck i'm happy !
Oh wait, i've always been happy but aint always been old, is it just me ?

Makes two of us. Life is what you make of it. Old is Good. Just ask any whiskey drinker.

[Ixion]

So, let me just check if I've got this right.

According to the police defenders how it works is, cops deal with criminals. Criminals being nasty people they abuse and bash other people. Since cops have to deal with the criminals, the criminals bash and abuse the cops.

Therefore, the cops are entitled to bash and abuse ordinary law abiding citizens. Because the cops reckon we're all criminals.

Have I got that right?

But,one thing that I'm not clear on, if criminals bash and abuse ordinary people and cops bash and abuse ordinary people, how do we tell the cops from the criminals?.

Oh, of course. The uniform. So what distinguishes cops from criminals is the uniform. Correct ?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So, let me just check if I've got this right.

According to the police defenders how it works is, cops deal with criminals. Criminals being nasty people they abuse and bash other people. Since cops have to deal with the criminals, the criminals bash and abuse the cops.

Therefore, the cops are entitled to bash and abuse ordinary law abiding citizens. Because the cops reckon we're all criminals.

Have I got that right?

But,one thing that I'm not clear on, if criminals bash and abuse ordinary people and cops bash and abuse ordinary people, how do we tell the cops from the criminals?.

Oh, of course. The uniform. So what distinguishes cops from criminals is the uniform. Correct ?

:rofl::killingme:killingmeI was in the midst of saying something similar when I read this post. Totally unnecessary now. :lol:

[Berries]

Not sure why people think this has anything to do with the North Island - http://www.odt.co.nz/tags/odt-print-and-digital-exclusive/109407/dunedin-police-officers-found-guilty.

If you are going to do a runner, make sure you get away. Safely.

[KiwiIngenuity]

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

[scumdog]

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

[blackdog]

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

they upload the law

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yeah but you don't get any bad behaviour/incompetence from the likes of IT and 'pute guys, do you?

Oh that's right, I fogot, they don't have to uphold the law.....or obey it......

Neither do catholic priests eh so it must be okay eh!.

Tell me, if police find it so easy to accept and use (for their own) the somewhat questionable excuse 'after all, we are only human too'. Why do so many of them seem to have no regard for similar excuses from Joe public?

Let me tell you what I think the reason is.
The average police officer thinks he is better than Joe public. He holds himself to a higher standard and expects people to respect him unquestionably for that.

Joe public has a higher expectation of the police and given police intollerance toward Joe public when he sets a foot wrong... Well ya can't have your cake and eat it without expecting some fuss eh! (unless your name is Rint clickhard)

[Smifffy]

According to the video the working class consider them superiors.

As to the bit about you keep saying regarding restriction of freedoms, how is enforcing the speed limit a restriction on anyone's freedom?

Last I checked, blasting along at +4 km/hr wasn't a fundamental human right, it is a breach of the legal requirements for being in control of motorised transport.

I don't like getting tickets, and I think the 4k thing is nit picky, but I don't see how it can be a restriction of freedoms.


Neither do catholic priests eh so it must be okay eh!.

Tell me, if police find it so easy to accept and use (for their own) the somewhat questionable excuse 'after all, we are only human too'. Why do so many of them seem to have no regard for similar excuses from Joe public?

Let me tell you what I think the reason is.
The average police officer thinks he is better than Joe public. He holds himself to a higher standard and expects people to respect him unquestionably for that.

Joe public has a higher expectation of the police and given police intollerance toward Joe public when he sets a foot wrong... Well ya can't have your cake and eat it without expecting some fuss eh! (unless your name is Rint clickhard)

[flyingcrocodile46]

According to the video the working class consider them superiors.

As to the bit about you keep saying regarding restriction of freedoms, how is enforcing the speed limit a restriction on anyone's freedom?

Last I checked, blasting along at +4 km/hr wasn't a fundamental human right, it is a breach of the legal requirements for being in control of motorised transport.

I don't like getting tickets, and I think the 4k thing is nit picky, but I don't see how it can be a restriction of freedoms.

My comment was intended to be a bit more generalised. This isn't a thread about speeding but rather cops thinking they are above the law.

In the post in which I mentioned our diminishing freedom. I was meaning our freedom in the bigger picture. The more laws that are imposed the more restrictions are imposed on our freedom to enjoy doing things. Be it speeding or buying flu remedies which are now banned from over the counter sales. The merits for having the laws/rules aside (If we all exercised the same degree of common sense and decency we wouldn't need laws) the fact that we have them, diminishes our freedom to do things that (when done responsibly are ok) we might happen to enjoy or otherwise enhance our life experience. While cops don't make the laws they do have the power of discretion so they influence how palatable the laws are. IMO cops don't exercise enough discretion and judges exercise too much.

Look at the loss of experience our children experience as compared to our own thanks to OSH alone. Can't play bull rush and outward bound type schools are now so sanitised that the experience is hardly worth the effort. Try and run a charitable event where the public are involved and like it as not the compliance requirements to organise it will eat up everyone's donated time before the event is halfway organised. (a little glimpse of a fragment of the 'bigger picture')

[Kickaha]

My comment was intended to be a bit more generalised. This isn't a thread about speeding but rather cops thinking they are above the law.


So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?:msn-wink:

[flyingcrocodile46]

So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?:msn-wink:

Is the pope catholi............ Oh! hang on. He's Hitler Youth

[motor_mayhem]

Honestly by and large I don't blame the front line policeman/woman generally, the are a few arseholes but I think most are good BUT I do blame the chief of police wrote his open letter justifying why they can police the speed limit this holday weekend to 5 kmh and I have no doubt that "Shotgun" Steve Joyce (He's firing off blindly in all directions in the hope he might hit "the cause" of NZ's Road toll) had something to do with it. I have seen nothing to make me believe that 110 is a great deal worse than 105, and would rather they policed in AREAS that are more dangerous rather than areas that are likely to render more income, i.e. a flat straight dual carriage way is an area of lower risk compared to a double yellowed blind corner with a cliff down one side.

To give credit where credit is due I think their campaign to catch people who stray onto the wrong side was really good and time/resources well spent as there is nothing that scares me more no matter whether I am a driver or a passenger in any vehicle.

Apologies if this sounds like a rhetorical but it is an issue that enrages me a bit. I probably phrased it better here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121497-Easter-road-toll-was-the-worst-in-16-years?p=1129713383#post1129713383)

[flyingcrocodile46]

and would rather they policed in AREAS that are more dangerous rather than areas that are likely to render more income, i.e. a flat straight dual carriage way is an area of lower risk compared to a double yellowed blind corner with a cliff down one side.

To give credit where credit is due I think their campaign to catch people who stray onto the wrong side was really good and time/resources well spent as there is nothing that scares me more no matter whether I am a driver or a passenger in any vehicle.



Good post. A very good point raised re appropriate areas to police for speeding (take note police) and yes, the campaign to catch center line crossers was spot on. That is sensible targeting and policing

[Berries]

But the view is that if you speed in one place, the flat straight bits, you are the type of person who will speed on the gnarly bits. Likewise, if you are the type of person who crosses the centreline when there is perfectly good visibility you should be nicked because you are clearly the type of person who crosses the centreline when there is no visibility. Personally I can't see the link. Crossing the centreline when there is excellent visibility may be against the rules, but it isn't unsafe, and doing so in no way implies you are the kind of driver/rider who would cut the corner if visibility were restricted. In both cases though, the former is much easier than the latter to observe and enforce, which all comes back to the same thing, the focus on the easy subjects to the detriment of other risk causing behaviours.

[Big Dave]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[scumdog]

the campaign to catch center line crossers was spot on. That is sensible targeting and policing

Not by the comments of some on KB it wasn't sensible.

but in reality it is sensible policing.

[marty]

Answer to the OP:

Cause some of you (that's the great unwashed in general) are fuckwits. Some fuckwits ride bikes.

funniest thing I've seen is someone doing an runner on a Harley (when dressed like a gang rapist funnily enough but wearing a full-face helmet), falling off at about 20km/h, then after fighting with him for about a minute, his visor mysteriously opened, a can of pepper spray was somehow discharged into said open visor, then the visor was closed.

In the ensueing screaming/crying for mummy/whimpering 5 minutes, a loaded 9mm pistol was recovered from a shoulder holster, which was what the gang rapist was trying to access during the 60 second struggle....

[miloking]

Answer to the OP:

Cause some of you (that's the great unwashed in general) are fuckwits. Some fuckwits ride bikes.

funniest thing I've seen is someone doing an runner on a Harley (when dressed like a gang rapist funnily enough but wearing a full-face helmet), falling off at about 20km/h, then after fighting with him for about a minute, his visor mysteriously opened, a can of pepper spray was somehow discharged into said open visor, then the visor was closed.

In the ensueing screaming/crying for mummy/whimpering 5 minutes, a loaded 9mm pistol was recovered from a shoulder holster, which was what the gang rapist was trying to access during the 60 second struggle....

Yeah sure, someone resisting arrest getting hurt is one thing...police brutality is another!

But that is a funny story indeed :) i bet he wont be riding harley for while...also wonder where did gang rapist got the pistol, i though they are illegal to own in NZ?? (unless kept inside the safe at local gun club etc.)

[Ixion]

..would rather they policed in AREAS that are more dangerous rather than areas that are likely to render more income, i.e. a flat straight dual carriage way is an area of lower risk compared to a double yellowed blind corner with a cliff down one side.

To give credit where credit is due I think their campaign to catch people who stray onto the wrong side was really good and time/resources well spent as there is nothing that scares me more no matter whether I am a driver or a passenger in any vehicle.

..

Hm. I understand where you are coming from, but I'm not so sure about the reality. I've often seen places where accidents have occurred (the crosses give them away) and thought "How could anyone stuff things up on this bit of road?". I suspect the people who crash because they are idiots tend to do so exactly on those "lower risk" areas - because they perceive them as "safe" and start doing stupid shit. Whereas in areas manifestly dangerous they crawl along very slowly. Like the people (probably the same ones) who crawl onward at 80kph, until they reach a passing lane. Whereupon they speed up to 100kph.

IMHO at least 80% of crashes are caused by "people doing stupid shit" (yes, bikers too). And people who do stupid shit tend to do it more or less anywhere.

Obvious answer, find a way to dissuade people from doing stupid shit. Not easy that, though.

[Ixion]

Yeah sure, someone resisting arrest getting hurt is one thing...police brutality is another!

But that is a funny story indeed :) i bet he wont be riding harley for while...also wonder where did gang rapist got the pistol, i though they are illegal to own in NZ?? (unless kept inside the safe at local gun club etc.)


Oh, goodness me, I'm certain a wouldbe gangsta would never do anything illegal. Pity the pistol didn't "accidentally go off" whilst still in his pocket.

[Rogue Rider]

as I said before, Policing should be seperated like it was in the old days with MOT (Ministry Of Transport) The black and whites as they were did an awesome job, they were polite, sociable and good educators. I guess the problem was that then the focus was driver education, now days it's all about ticket quota's and the competition "who is the biggest cock" award. Pretty much every traffic officer I have met fits the bill and rates high on the scale........ Wonder who has the personalised plate H8PIGS lol

[Ixion]

as I said before, Policing should be seperated like it was in the old days with MOT (Ministry Of Transport) The black and whites as they were did an awesome job, they were polite, sociable and good educators. I guess the problem was that then the focus was driver education, now days it's all about ticket quota's and the competition "who is the biggest cock" award. Pretty much every traffic officer I have met fits the bill and rates high on the scale........ Wonder who has the personalised plate H8PIGS lol

Well, no, a lot of them were nit-picking cunts. But, the bikie snakes, some of them were good. Our local one spent a lot of time with us young chaps, basically teaching us how to ride safely. He was a GOOD cunt.

Mind you, he didn't take any prisoners either, if you didn't take notice of what he told you, he'd get out his bottomless ticket book. A few mates had a bad time with him, but I always found him good value. I suspect that I'm probably alive today in no small measure to him.

You'd never get the cops nowadays spending time with young riders teaching them how to ride safely.

[jahrasti]

Yeah sure, someone resisting arrest getting hurt is one thing...police brutality is another!

But that is a funny story indeed :) i bet he wont be riding harley for while...also wonder where did gang rapist got the pistol, i though they are illegal to own in NZ?? (unless kept inside the safe at local gun club etc.)

Fuck me the the great Miloking is spouting gospel again. No not illegal to own one (has restrictions though), and no does not have to be kept at the local gun club.

Carry on though, your comments seem to make me want to post on KB so I thank you for that.

[marty]

i had a best friend who father was an MOT cop. he was an arsehole. gave me a huge bollocking for riding my go cart around on the front lawn and infringing on about 1 metre of footpath.

he then gave me a ticket for having a headlight out in my Ford Pop - no diversion - $75. I'm still dark on that!

I used to take learner drivers to Taupo for a day on the track - I picked them by giving them tickets, then 28 days to get their restricted - if they did, and were good kids, I organised a track day for them (old Taupo track) in their own cars. took about 30 kids through it.

[marty]

Yeah sure, someone resisting arrest getting hurt is one thing...police brutality is another!

But that is a funny story indeed :) i bet he wont be riding harley for while...also wonder where did gang rapist got the pistol, i though they are illegal to own in NZ?? (unless kept inside the safe at local gun club etc.)

so is pepper spray in the helmet brutality or justified for resisting? - it wasn't known that he had a gun.

and why wouldn't he be back on the Harley? it's not like the courts are going to lock him away, and meth buys bikes real fast. get your head out of the sand - i expect 'most' patched gang members are these days carrying some sort of weapon that could easily kill.

[flyingcrocodile46]

i had a best friend who father was an MOT cop. he was an arsehole. gave me a huge bollocking for riding my go cart around on the front lawn and infringing on about 1 metre of footpath.

he then gave me a ticket for having a headlight out in my Ford Pop - no diversion - $75. I'm still dark on that!

I used to take learner drivers to Taupo for a day on the track - I picked them by giving them tickets, then 28 days to get their restricted - if they did, and were good kids, I organised a track day for them (old Taupo track) in their own cars. took about 30 kids through it.

Good shit Marty. It would be good to see and hear more of the good (above and beyond) stuff some of you guys do in the community. It might help balance the perspective of those of us who see so little of the good and so much of the bad in today's police.

How bout the KB filth starting a thread where they can skite about the good shit they do on a daily basis. ??

It would be an opportunity to balance the media coverage (slanted toward the bad and sensational) the force get. Who knows, you might even get the chance to skite about letting Joe public off a speeding fine one day (only after your quota is met of course).

[marty]

i left 6 years this month. too many suicides, shaken babies and fatal MVAs, and i could never guarantee my family that my shift wan't going to end in hospital or the fridge.

[scumdog]

i left 6 years this month. too many suicides, shaken babies and fatal MVAs, and i could never guarantee my family that my shift wan't going to end in hospital or the fridge.

It does take its toll.

But as some on this site say "You chose to do the job"

A shame a few of THEM didn't step up to the line and show people like me how to do the job, 100% correct and without upsetting any sector of society...

[marty]

yup i did. and i am proud of my contribution. it was time for me to go though. i occasionally regret it, but i chose to take another path, and now i am on that one.

[miloking]

Fuck me the the great Miloking is spouting gospel again. No not illegal to own one (has restrictions though), and no does not have to be kept at the local gun club.

Carry on though, your comments seem to make me want to post on KB so I thank you for that.

Well thank you for the clarification, i never claimed ALL my posts to be factual especialy if they end with question mark :)

Also it seems that only small group of clowns has a problem with my posts...probably because they dont like to accept the reality...you could be one of them, i leave that up to you.

[miloking]

so is pepper spray in the helmet brutality or justified for resisting? - it wasn't known that he had a gun.

and why wouldn't he be back on the Harley? it's not like the courts are going to lock him away, and meth buys bikes real fast. get your head out of the sand - i expect 'most' patched gang members are these days carrying some sort of weapon that could easily kill.

If he is resisting arrest after being told he is "under arrest" yeah spray the fucker...but i dont think, you should knock someone off their bike, jump out of the holden and empty can of pepper into their face just because they were speeding while looking "dodgey"...iam certain that 95% policemen know that...iam worried about the other 5% though!

[Katman]

Answer to the OP:

Cause some of you (that's the great unwashed in general) are fuckwits. Some fuckwits ride bikes.

funniest thing I've seen is someone doing an runner on a Harley (when dressed like a gang rapist funnily enough but wearing a full-face helmet), falling off at about 20km/h, then after fighting with him for about a minute, his visor mysteriously opened, a can of pepper spray was somehow discharged into said open visor, then the visor was closed.

In the ensueing screaming/crying for mummy/whimpering 5 minutes, a loaded 9mm pistol was recovered from a shoulder holster, which was what the gang rapist was trying to access during the 60 second struggle....

Did you get away?

[quickbuck]

.....
he then gave me a ticket for having a headlight out in my Ford Pop - no diversion - $75. I'm still dark on that!
..... LOL, I get it ;)

[wysper]

Therefore, the cops are entitled to bash and abuse ordinary law abiding citizens. Because the cops reckon we're all criminals.



No, you are being deliberately obtuse, basing a conclusion on the actions of citizens who happen to be police officers. Maybe you should check out the occupations of every other person charged with assault and then you can carry on your fun little game.




Look at the loss of experience our children experience as compared to our own thanks to OSH alone. Can't play bull rush and outward bound type schools are now so sanitised that the experience is hardly worth the effort. Try and run a charitable event where the public are involved and like it as not the compliance requirements to organise it will eat up everyone's donated time before the event is halfway organised. (a little glimpse of a fragment of the 'bigger picture')

While your hatred of cops I don't share, I do share your annoyance with our friends in the fantasy world of OSH. They seem intent of sucking the fun out of life.





It would be an opportunity to balance the media coverage (slanted toward the bad and sensational) the force get.

Maybe the MEDIA should report on the good work of the off duty police.

[Littleman]

So, let me just check if I've got this right.

According to the police defenders how it works is, cops deal with criminals. Criminals being nasty people they abuse and bash other people. Since cops have to deal with the criminals, the criminals bash and abuse the cops.

Therefore, the cops are entitled to bash and abuse ordinary law abiding citizens. Because the cops reckon we're all criminals.

Have I got that right?

But,one thing that I'm not clear on, if criminals bash and abuse ordinary people and cops bash and abuse ordinary people, how do we tell the cops from the criminals?.

Oh, of course. The uniform. So what distinguishes cops from criminals is the uniform. Correct ?


Go ask the wife.

[marty]

Did you get away?


Away with it, or away?

[flyingcrocodile46]

While your hatred of cops I don't share, I do share your annoyance with our friends in the fantasy world of OSH. They seem intent of sucking the fun out of life.


I don't hate cops, OSH or Australians. I just despise them.:yes:

Carry on

[scumdog]

I don't hate cops, OSH or Australians. I just despise them.:yes:

Carry on

Ain't YOU the lucky man - there soooo many out there to despise!

[marty]

N


Maybe the MEDIA should report on the good work of the off duty police.

they do.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10649854

[flyingcrocodile46]

Ain't YOU the lucky man - there soooo many out there to despise!


Heh. Ain't that the truth. Actually I didn't tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about how I feel about cops. My statements on the forum have been a bit one sided so I will (later.. busy now) tell you about my advice to my son when he recently told me he wants to be a cop.

[caseye]

Heh. Ain't that the truth. Actually I didn't tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about how I feel about cops. My statements on the forum have been a bit one sided so I will (later.. busy now) tell you about my advice to my son when he recently told me he wants to be a cop.

Now this I want to hear!~ LOL, come on Croc spill.

[BMWST?]

I was riding for hours, every cop I saw just went straight past and never offered me a glance...I guess it's a North Island problem..

it appears to have occured in (or close to)dunedin

[red mermaid]

Oh no, Im doomed.

I'm a cop with an OSH Inspectors warrant, but not an Australian?!



I don't hate cops, OSH or Australians. I just despise them.:yes:

Carry on

[Berries]

it appears to have occured in (or close to)dunedin
According to the local rag, the guy was riding on the one way in Dunedin on an unregistered bike with no lights on in the dark. While speeding. Probably had a flashing light on as well just to make sure he was noticed. He was pursued and stopped. While two cops tried to get cuffs on him another two arrived to help out as he was being a little feisty and didn't fancy the bracelets. The guys kidneys then somehow impacted with the fist of one of the officers while he was lying face down. More than once.

Can't find the court news page from yesterday but here's the story - http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/109397/officers-guilty-assault. As you'll see, the police are distancing themselves from the two guys now they have been found guilty.

Found it, here's the court news - http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/109193/officers039-fate-jury.

Read the full story and you will see that it wasn't a beating. It was just pain compliance.

[scumdog]

Read the full story and you will see that it wasn't a beating. It was just pain compliance.

With the lack of brain the 'victim' had it's a wonder he could register pain at all..

[flyingcrocodile46]

Now this I want to hear!~ LOL, come on Croc spill.

The GP is starting soon.

I asked my 16 yr old son what he thinks he wants to do career wise, he said he thought he might like to be a cop. After the shock subsided, I asked him why. He replied that he thought it would be cool (a typically expressive teenager) so I had to push him a bit to expand on his answer, eventually ascertaining that he figured it would be good to be a good guy and help people in the community.

I then told him that it wouldn't be an easy job, that there was very little about policing that was romantic, that most of the people he would have contact with other than other police officers would be people that he was either arresting, giving tickets to, scraping off the pavement, copping abuse from, getting attacked by etc. I told him that a lot of people who he had never met before would hate him and want to do him harm just because he was a cop. I told him that he would find that some people he knew (friends included) would distance themselves from him. That he would likely find that the majority of his friends would be other officers and that Police get depressed and bitter that people dislike them, that most of the time that they deal with people those people are at their worst, or grieving, and that it would become hard not to type cast people and see the majority of people as being bad. I told him that having a negative attitude towards and seeing the worst in people would result in feeling superior to them. I told him that I had very little respect for the police as a whole because of what I have seen some of them do, how they treat people, abuse their powers by extortion, bullying, framing, beating and raping people. How so many of them immediately attempt to intimidate people rather than showing them any courtesy or respect or giving them the benefit of doubt. I also told him that it was understandable how all the negative interaction with the worst people would wear away at them and give them cause to be suspicious of everyone, that it would be hard not to succumb to seeing things that way because of that aspect of the job. I told him that it is a very hard job to do and that it would be very difficult to retain a balanced perspective of and respect for people that he would deal with and that some people (me included to a degree) would look down on him because of what he did for a job. I also told him that some of his fellow officers would also struggle with these issues and will do things to people that aren't right or lawful, and how that would then put him in a position where he would have to decide if it was ok for his fellow officers to break the law and/or mistreat people. I told him that the day he saw the answer as maybe or yes, then his integrity and cause for self respect would be gone and expanded on how that is the start of a nasty downward spiral.

I then paused and thought to add a little balance by saying... In saying all of that, we need Police to help keep order in society and that we especially need good policemen as we don't seem to have very many them, so if you think you could make a good policeman without losing respect for people and being prepared to give them the benefit of doubt then that would be a good thing and you should go for it. I told him that there were still some good police officers and that if he wanted to meet one and have a talk to him, that I could arrange it. (I know this because I know one that I like and respect... and a few ex cops who got out of it because of some aspects of the above burble)

[caseye]

I knew it was going to be GOOD! but I didn't count on you being you and making him think very seriously about his carreer choices. well put mate.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I knew it was going to be GOOD! but I didn't count on you being you and making him think very seriously about his carreer choices. well put mate.

Cheers mate! A good parent has to be a good liar... though I have watched Serpico and got a few speeding tickets :yes:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Gp, gp, gp, gp

[marty]

although i agree with your objective, i'm not sure i agree with its delivery. i maybe have a different perspective and way of describing the issues to my 18 year old who considered the police.

i think you have probably put him off (your obvious objective) but i hope you haven't sowed the seed of 'all cops are extorting raping cunts cause my dad says so so i'm not going to respect them' in him.

[Katman]

and that some people (me included to a degree) would look down on him because of what he did for a job.

What sort of father are you?

[flyingcrocodile46]

What sort of father are you?

I didn't say (me included to a degree) to him (that was for you)

[flyingcrocodile46]

although i agree with your objective, i'm not sure i agree with its delivery. i maybe have a different perspective and way of describing the issues to my 18 year old who considered the police.

i think you have probably put him off (your obvious objective) but i hope you haven't sowed the seed of 'all cops are extorting raping cunts cause my dad says so so i'm not going to respect them' in him.

I don't think I've soured him toward cops so much as made him a little more aware that things aren't as black and white as he may think. I don't think it's a good idea for any teenager to be considering a Police career without having had at least a couple of years work and life (away from home/OE) experience.

[Katman]

I didn't say (me included to a degree) to him (that was for you)

It makes no difference whether you said it to him or to us.

The fact that you'd look down on your son if he chose to became a police officer speaks volumes about you.

[flyingcrocodile46]

It makes no difference whether you said it to him or to us.

The fact that you'd look down on your son if he chose to became a police officer speaks volumes about you.


I sense that it is rather pointless telling you that you are interpreting my post a little differently to the way it was intended. At least my son was smart enough to understand that I was referring to police (in that context) rather than him specifically, but then he isn't a nit picking retard so I wouldn't expect any less from him.

[scumdog]

Meh, if my father had given me that advice it would have made me all the more determined to do the job.

I was waiting for you to tell him more about the highs of the job, you knew enough about the lows but sadly no, it was mainly '10 zillion reasons not be a cop'

So why is he not wanting to follow in your footsteps then, what job do you have that is so much better than being a cop??...

[marty]

one that shouldn't be surprised when his son calls him and says ' hey dad i'm off to Police College next week - see ya'

[marty]

that's not how it read.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Meh, if my father had given me that advice it would have made me all the more determined to do the job.

I was waiting for you to tell him more about the highs of the job, you knew enough about the lows but sadly no, it was mainly '10 zillion reasons not be a cop'


Being a teenager he has a pretty simplistic and romantic view point of life. He hasn't met the types of people I have. He has gone to good schools where nice people send their nice children. When/where I grew up, assaults at school were a daily occurrence as was exposure to people who (true to form) turned out very very bad. Assaults in his schools have been very very rare.

I have met a lot of very bad people (some socially but the worst through work) and have had to deal with/to them (two later murdered people in Akld on separate occasions). He hasn't got ANY experience with bad people. He is naive and although well qualified to look after himself physically he doesn't have the mind set to assure survival in very bad situations.

Most of my intent when talking to him was to balance the stupid fucking 'better work stories' adverts that were popular at the time by giving him a glimpse of some of the shitty side of the career. BTW how come I haven't seen Clint Rickard and co telling theirs? You could likely get Vaseline sponsorship for their work stories.

As I said, I offered to introduce him to a proper Policeman (a good cunt) for another perspective. If I truly wanted to kill off his aspirations completely I wouldn't have done so.

Truth is, it wouldn't have mattered what career he told me he was considering, I would have made sure that he was aware of all the negatives. His own heart has told him the most valid positives about the Policing


So why is he not wanting to follow in your footsteps then, what job do you have that is so much better than being a cop??...

Because I have told him it ain't a great career, that it takes too long to climb to the top of the heap, that the risks outweigh the rewards.... oh yeah! and a lack of romantic advertising that hints at superiority.


one that shouldn't be surprised when his son calls him and says ' hey dad i'm off to Police College next week - see ya'

Tell ya what I wouldn't be if he told me that..... Concerned that he was making a poorly informed decision. In point of fact I would be a lot more comfortable with his decision now I know that he has all the FACTS. You can't say I lied to him because it's all true. If your own experiences are different it doesn't make the experiences of others a lie. Open your fucking eyes to other peoples perspectives without discounting their experiences as invalid because they don't align with yours. Some have been so badly treated by some Police that they justifiably hate them. Don't blame them. Blame the fucking low life scum who made them that way.... yes the ones in uniforms cause despite all your protests that they are only a small minority they are not. Police culture is shocking. Clean up your fucking act if you want a better image with Joe public and stop whining about the realists who are telling it how it is.

[scumdog]

Police culture is shocking. Clean up your fucking act if you want a better image with Joe public and stop whining about the realists who are telling it how it is.

Hmmm, I must be in a different country - thank goodness I'm not sharing yours.

And your job is?

[Katman]

I sense that it is rather pointless telling you that you are interpreting my post a little differently to the way it was intended. At least my son was smart enough to understand that I was referring to police (in that context) rather than him specifically, but then he isn't a nit picking retard so I wouldn't expect any less from him.

So you know him better than any of us.

Is he the sort of person who would make a good cop (one you could look up to) or a bad cop (one you'd look down on)?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So you know him better than any of us.

Is he the sort of person who would make a good cop (one you could look up to) or a bad cop (one you'd look down on)?

He is susceptible to the same pressures as anyone else and as I am the first to admit.. it is a shit job with more pressure than many others. Truth is he isn't mature enough yet and would succumb to peer pressure so I would say No.

However with a few more years (5-10) life experiences I would expect that he would develop sufficient self confidence and inner strength to maybe last the distance.

[Katman]

Truth is, it's not about you giving him any parental guidance at all.

It's about you trying to force your own fetid prejudices on to him while he's still "young and susceptible".

Way to go Dad.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hmmm, I must be in a different country - thank goodness I'm not sharing yours.

And your job is?

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Not at all. That is simply your unqualified opinion.

[scumdog]

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

If I was some slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo (and there's a shit load of THEM on this site) I would at this point say "Ah, so youz are one of them wot was the cause of them leaky home things, watchoo gonna do about it, eh, eh?"

Sorta in the manner a lot on KB tag me because of the actions of a few of those in the same occupation as me. (or use to be in the same occupation)

Ah, there's nothing like 'tarring them all with the one brush' eh?

[flyingcrocodile46]

If I was some slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo (and there's a shit load of THEM on this site) I would at this point say "Ah, so youz are one of them wot was the cause of them leaky home things, watchoo gonna do about it, eh, eh?"

Sorta in the manner a lot on KB tag me because of the actions of a few of those in the same occupation as me. (or use to be in the same occupation)

Ah, there's nothing like 'tarring them all with the one brush' eh?

Point taken. However you might be pleased to know that I have been working as effectively as the industry and my peers will allow, to address our industry failures (and there are many of them in our very very sick industry). I am doing my bit (everything I can) to man up to and address my industry failures (about 10% of the way there so far). Can you say the same? I sense that you may be able too as reading between the lines I think you may be one of the good guys.

[Katman]

Point taken. However you might be pleased to know that I have been working as effectively as the industry and my peers will allow, to address our industry failures (and there are many of them in our very very sick industry). I am doing my bit (everything I can) to man up to and address my industry failures. Can you say the same? (I sense that you may be able too as reading between the lines I think you may be one of the good guys)

Does your head spin from the effects of your sudden about-facing?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Does your head spin from the effects of your sudden about-facing?


"About facing"?

[Spearfish]

A chippie by trade, then Foreman, site manager then project manager then construction manager (approx $100 million worth of builds). I have since changed career focus and moved into consultancy. I am a share holder in a Building Consent Authority that I contract to. I review reports and disputes along with other issues resulting in legal claims and provide expert evidence in the meditations and determinations that follow. I am also a qualified weathertightness expert.

No great shakes as far as careers go and certainly not a community focused career, but I do it to the best of my ability and do it well.

The industry of building shyt standard buildings then gouging the poor owner for more than the whole house cost to build to just re-clad it. Talk about builders doing a u turn in the path a whole family and not following procedures and industry guidelines, then fining the family more than the house is worth just to do a re clad (quota, pie fund?). If the struggling family don't and the building industry deems the house is unfit (demerits and water detectors) they condemn the house (green sticker) confiscate their house until they do(to many demerits).
Talk about an industry easily amused by a locked building shed, a rolled up house plan or accepted over priced re-clade quote and a jar of Vaseline.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The industry of building shyt standard buildings then gouging the poor owner for more than the whole house cost to build to just re-clad it. Talk about builders doing a u turn in the path a whole family and not following procedures and industry guidelines, then fining the family more than the house is worth just to do a re clad (quota, pie fund?). If the struggling family don't and the building industry deems the house is unfit (demerits and water detectors) they condemn the house (green sticker) confiscate their house until they do(to many demerits).
Talk about an industry easily amused by a locked building shed, a rolled up house plan or accepted over priced re-clade quote and a jar of Vaseline.

You make the cause of leaky buildings sound so simple. I assure you that it isn't. Shitty builders are only a small part of the issue. Quite happy to discuss the issue in depth if you want to start a thread about it.

btw, to the very best of my knowledge nobody has had their leaky building condemned (as BCA's or the DBH are the only party that can do so, and have not done so to my knowledge) and certainly they do not "confiscate" houses.

[caseye]

Wow. come on now you lot,there are a lot of ordianry builders out there getting caned for building houses EXACTLY to the Architects plan, you know the one the COUNCIL signs off on.
I too come from the building industry and over the years I've supplied some pretty shitty timber to some very big companies, timber that should have been used for noggs/Dwangs(just for you scumdog) which of course it was not.
Leaky buildings have been with us for a very long time, real builders protested at the lack of overhangs and the wood pulp now used by the big boys of the house cladding industry in the manufacturer of cladding that was supposed to be the bees knees.
Going back to the builders and construction companies, my last job as a construction company mamanger often entailed fighting council building inspectors to get the proper materials to do our job properly with out using the materials as quoted on the council approved plan. Council will tell you that unless the specified(leaky home making stuff) materials as per plan were used that they would NOT SIGN the CONSENT Off.
A viscious circle of big player, buying approval for inferior products to be manufactured here for supply to our own building industry who had to use it in the absence of any other sanctioned product.
Individual builders, specifiers, home owners had no choice but to use the crap as there was no longer anything else to use, now they are bearing the brunt of the Govt's and Councils incompetence and in many casaes they are going bankrupt for real, while trying to extract themselves from a mess not of their making.
The biggest leaky home problems are within the BULK Housing estates where big companies made MoonBeams selling house built out of cardboard, using hammer hands with little or no experience of proper construction techniques, who did not need to know of them because they simply had to put a jigsaw together.
Anyhow,way off topic.
For the record I ride with Croc, he likes a good stir, he's had his fair share of run ins with the constabulary, but I'd still say he's given his boy a fair assesement overall of his own experiences and of what to expect if he joined up and that if his son did decide to join he'd help him to become a damn fine officer, funnily enough,it works that way on many occassions.

[scumdog]

Hell, even me flash gargre (with the flash pointy red manufacturers emblem on it) leaks from the roof about 6 feet up from the spouting in a couple of places in certain rain/wind-direction circumstances - and the building ain't that old.

I just put plastic ice-cream pottles under the leaks.

Pisses me off but nowt I can do about it.

[caseye]

scumdog, did they nail/screw it down on the top o the ridges or in the pans >
Mate some of em are so stupid that could've been whats happened.
otherwise it's a possible shit in the overlap situation. either way it can be fixed.
Call the lousy BS's that built it and have em come fix it!
Tell them you know a lot of people be interested in not using their product again if they slack about too much. A bit of stick never goes astray.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hell, even me flash gargre (with the flash pointy red manufacturers emblem on it) leaks from the roof about 6 feet up from the spouting in a couple of places in certain rain/wind-direction circumstances - and the building ain't that old.

I just put plastic ice-cream pottles under the leaks.

Pisses me off but nowt I can do about it.


If your garage roof leak is away from the gable ends and lower edge then it is likely that it is leaking at either fixing points, sheet laps (facing wrong way or insufficient lap) or the ridge flashing (particularly if the required turned up ends have not been formed at the top edge of the sheets). Give the manufacturer a call and ask them to have a look at it. It is likely a very easy fix. Another possible problem that may occur is condensation (interior moisture) If it is warm inside the garage it is likely that the moisture vapour level is quite high and as the warm air rises to contact the roofing iron (moisture vapour passes through the roof underlay) the air temperature drops forcing the vapour to tun into water which can then run down the underlay until it finds a hole (at sheet fixings, tears or incorrectly formed laps in the underlay etc) then fills your milk bottles.

Cheers Caseye.

[Ixion]

It's not a leaky building problem. It's a rotting building problem. All wooden buildings leak, sooner or later. Always have. Which is why ,for 50 years, anyone who knew which end of a hammer was which knew that you didn't use untreated pine .

Then some big corporate saw a chance for more profits, got the rules changed, and architects started specifying untreated pine.

Now the buildings are rotting. Gee, who'd have thought.

Not the chippies fault, they just follow what's on the plans. Ask, who made money out of using untreated pine

[flyingcrocodile46]

It's not a leaky building problem. It's a rotting building problem. All wooden buildings leak, sooner or later. Always have. Which is why ,for 50 years, anyone who knew which end of a hammer was which knew that you didn't use untreated pine .

Then some big corporate saw a chance for more profits, got the rules changed, and architects started specifying untreated pine.

Now the buildings are rotting. Gee, who'd have thought.

Not the chippies fault, they just follow what's on the plans. Ask, who made money out of using untreated pine

True but lets not forget the Green party who were pushing for untreated framing. The BIA advised government that the untreated timber would fail but they ignored it. The govt made it an acceptable solution that BCA's (councils) could not reject. They also allowed the use of direct fix fibre cement, plaster, poly etc (which they no longer allow) and in fact their agency BRANZ even appraised them and approved them. By and large councils and builders aren't half as much to blame as the govt. The latest deal 25% + 25% is fair given that a good portion of the blame lies with the market itself (home owners) who demanded the cheapest prices which forced declining standards.

[Littleman]

Heh. Ain't that the truth. Actually I didn't tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about how I feel about cops. My statements on the forum have been a bit one sided so I will (later.. busy now) tell you about my advice to my son when he recently told me he wants to be a cop.

Statistically junior will end up working in an office selling something, doing data entry or being in repetitious trade leading a life of mediocrity. Maybe stumble a little bit up the corporate ladder like his old man. A flyingcrocodile45 clone…

Lets concede for a moment that there a limited astronaut jobs available.

You should have the confidence in your son that he’s been grounded enough in ‘good morals’ that he can withstand the ‘omnipotent corrupting culture of the Police’ to infect you son with unethical work habits and morals.

There’s a fine line between warning your currently idealistic son about the perils of joining the ‘corrupt organisation’ and letting him have an open mind to make his own decisions on life (the later I’m sure would reflect better on the parent).

The variety of people/events he deals with in the Police may make him appreciate what he has rather than waiting to receive his father’s inevitable inheritance and living in homogeneity. He only lives once so why inflict a conservative boring life on him.

Worse case scenario, he leaves if he doesn’t like it. Just like any other job.

When it comes to criticising the Police you’re furiously outspoken and yet actively do nothing about it when the opportunity arises.

That gentlemen, is the archetypal keyboard warrior.

[Ixion]

True but lets not forget the Green party who were pushing for untreated framing. The BIA advised government that the untreated timber would fail but they ignored it. The govt made it an acceptable solution that BCA's (councils) could not reject. They also allowed the use of direct fix fibre cement, plaster, poly etc (which they no longer allow) and in fact their agency BRANZ even appraised them and approved them. By and large councils and builders aren't half as much to blame as the govt. The latest deal 25% + 25% is fair given that a good portion of the blame lies with the market itself (home owners) who demanded the cheapest prices which forced declining standards.

Yes, that's true about the Greens. They've a lot to answer for, and they,re very quietly sliding away from it
Dunno about home owners getting a cheap price, but there was certainly a lot of the price went into gaudy trimmings that should have been spent on getting the basics right.

Like fake columns! At the height of the boom Mrs Ixion dragged me along to look at these flash houses. Big hollow columns supporting nothing. They were just a thin fibre shell, and the structure they purported to support ( the portico in a proper design) actually supported them.

Fibre board glued straight onto framing, and a one inch gap where the cladding didnt meet up with the window sills . I could stick a finger straight into the wall cavity.

The builders rep on site was totally clueless. No thanks.mate, but someone bought them.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Statistically junior will end up working in an office selling something, doing data entry or being in repetitious trade leading a life of mediocrity. Maybe stumble a little bit up the corporate ladder like his old man. A flyingcrocodile45 clone…

Lets concede for a moment that there a limited astronaut jobs available.

You should have the confidence in your son that he’s been grounded enough in ‘good morals’ that he can withstand the ‘omnipotent corrupting culture of the Police’ to infect you son with unethical work habits and morals.

There’s a fine line between warning your currently idealistic son about the perils of joining the ‘corrupt organisation’ and letting him have an open mind to make his own decisions on life (the later I’m sure would reflect better on the parent).

The variety of people/events he deals with in the Police may make him appreciate what he has rather than waiting to receive his father’s inevitable inheritance and living in homogeneity. He only lives once so why inflict a conservative boring life on him.

Worse case scenario, he leaves if he doesn’t like it. Just like any other job.

When it comes to criticising the Police you’re furiously outspoken and yet actively do nothing about it when the opportunity arises.

That gentlemen, is the archetypal keyboard warrior.

I apply my energy and efforts where I believe the achieve the most value as relates to my experience (as per post #96) and in doing so I have and do make a difference for the better in areas which I can make a positive difference relative to the effort made.

The only way the issues the police force face will be resolved is by way of their own efforts. It is pretty widely accepted that those not working directly with an issue (i.e employed as a police officer in this case) generally have little if any means of impact other than vocalising their opinions and concerns to those who can more directly influence the issue. If you have some contrary ideas then lets hear them.... or are you simply another keyboard warrior attempting to put another of your ilk in their place????

[Katman]

The only way the issues the police force face will be resolved is by way of their own efforts.

Much like motorcyclists.

[Spearfish]

If your garage roof leak is away from the gable ends and lower edge then it is likely that it is leaking at either fixing points, sheet laps (facing wrong way or insufficient lap) or the ridge flashing (particularly if the required turned up ends have not been formed at the top edge of the sheets). Give the manufacturer a call and ask them to have a look at it. It is likely a very easy fix. Another possible problem that may occur is condensation (interior moisture) If it is warm inside the garage it is likely that the moisture vapour level is quite high and as the warm air rises to contact the roofing iron (moisture vapour passes through the roof underlay) the air temperature drops forcing the vapour to tun into water which can then run down the underlay until it finds a hole (at sheet fixings, tears or incorrectly formed laps in the underlay etc) then fills your milk bottles.

Cheers Caseye.

Its a bit late for useful advice now LoL
Still have trouble believing someone who answers an ad for a house for sale has any blame for how it was manufactured?
Imagine how long bike manufactures would last if people brought shyt built bikes and the manufacturer blamed the consumer for being at fault for simply wanting it.
But then that shoots my foot with a J20 because look at the Chinese crap that being sold...Hmmm
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yes, that's true about the Greens. They've a lot to answer for, and they,re very quietly sliding away from it
Dunno about home owners getting a cheap price, but there was certainly a lot of the price went into gaudy trimmings that should have been spent on getting the basics right.

Like fake columns! At the height of the boom Mrs Ixion dragged me along to look at these flash houses. Big hollow columns supporting nothing. They were just a thin fibre shell, and the structure they purported to support ( the portico in a proper design) actually supported them.

Fibre board glued straight onto framing, and a one inch gap where the cladding didnt meet up with the window sills . I could stick a finger straight into the wall cavity.

The builders rep on site was totally clueless. No thanks.mate, but someone bought them.

There is no disputing that there are and were bad builders out there that did dumb shit. But as Caseye said a lot were contracted to do so and to deviate from contract documents would likely result in financial penalty, breach of contract etc. So it is not necessarily always clear cut.

With respect to my comments about the market getting what it deserves/paid for. You may need to have been in the industry to appreciate that a large percentage of houses were built by owner builders who employed individual contractors rather than opting for full contract. They often (approx 90% in my experience) took the cheapest prices without properly ascertaining what a fair price for the work should be. Good builders simply could not compete with hammer hands that only priced half the work that should be done because they either didn't know what work was entailed or were working from plans that the owner builder paid a draftsman to prepare (rather than an architect) to the minimum standards that would pass consent. They frequently lacked cross sections and usually didn't have any construction details that would only become more obvious when construction was underway. This really isn't an easy issue to understand and could take a year or two to expand on adequately. There are no clear cut answers to why the failures occurred as there are so many influencing factors no one answer is correct for any more than one situation. The science behind our building failures goes back to the 70's.

Suffice to say that in the good old days when we only had half a dozen cladding systems and construction methodologies, builders could be relied on to know all the right things to do. Now days there are literally 100 times more types of cladding systems and construction methods. It is impossible for a working tradesman to keep up with much more than 5 or 10% of the changes that occur and options available for housing today.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Its a bit late for useful advice now LoL
Still have trouble believing someone who answers an ad for a house for sale has any blame for how it was manufactured?
Imagine how long bike manufactures would last if people brought shyt built bikes and the manufacturer blamed the consumer for being at fault for simply wanting it.
But then that shoots my foot with a J20 because look at the Chinese crap that being sold...Hmmm
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me"


I meant the market in general. Not specific individuals. However some specific individuals have caused a lot of the problems themselves (as acknowledged in some determinations).

Btw, his garage hasn't fallen down yet so it may not be too late for the advice to be of some value. Thanks for the neg feedback.

[Ixion]

I think I should have said developers rep not builders rep. I don't think he was anything to do with the person that actually built it.
And is certainly agree that the problem was/is with the people that did the designs not the guys that nailed them together.

That gap under the window sill ( actually an ornamental pot plant shelf, the Windows were aluminium framed) , i looked at the one on the other wall. No gap there, the fibre was sealed up to the bottom of the " sill " with plastic compound. But when I pressed it , it flexed in, it was plain that there was nothing behind it. That was the design, not the builder, no dwang shown on the drawings he's not going to add one.

But all of those faults wouldn't have amounted to the.major.mess we have if they'd used treated timber.

[caseye]

Ya didn't? did ya?Oh come on spearfish, negative feedback for making an effort to give his son a balanced(albiet, his balanced) opinion of the world as it relates to joining the Police .Sad man , that is sad.
Plenty o fish in the sea there Croc.

[Spearfish]

Ya didn't? did ya?Oh come on spearfish, negative feedback for making an effort to give his son a balanced(albiet, his balanced) opinion of the world as it relates to joining the Police .Sad man , that is sad.
Plenty o fish in the sea there Croc.

Yeah I know, he didn't retaliate either so he is the better man.

[marty]

. It is impossible for a working tradesman to keep up with much more than 5 or 10% of the changes that occur and options available for housing today.

yet you expect a Police officer to intimately know all legislation from the last 100 years at the drop of a hat without referring to any books? Make instant calls on legality or not, make all calls 100% and without error, then if it doesn't go their way, they can are criminally liable? I don't see any builder being done for fraud, for building houses that they knew were going to leak bad builders out there that did dumb shit. But as Caseye said a lot were contracted to do so and to deviate from contract documents would likely result in financial penalty, breach of contract etc - sounds like a perfect pecuniary gain type of fraud - they knew the work was shit, but they did it anyway as to not do it would result in them not getting $$.

[caseye]

Yeah I know, he didn't retaliate either so he is the better man.

Hey at least you've acknowledged that and kept the thread going without resorting to name calling and hair pulling. on ya.

[caseye]

yet you expect a Police officer to intimately know all legislation from the last 100 years at the drop of a hat without referring to any books? Make instant calls on legality or not, make all calls 100% and without error, then if it doesn't go their way, they can are criminally liable? I don't see any builder being done for fraud, for building houses that they knew were going to leak bad builders out there that did dumb shit. But as Caseye said a lot were contracted to do so and to deviate from contract documents would likely result in financial penalty, breach of contract etc - sounds like a perfect pecuniary gain type of fraud - they knew the work was shit, but they did it anyway as to not do it would result in them not getting $$.

marty not totally an unfair conclusion to draw, re the builders being dodgy.
Like the reference to Police having to know everything but others not, Normal isn't it.High standard we expect of our men and women in Blue.
Pecuniary fraud? hummmmmmm well no, cause you see they knew alright, but were actually overruled by the BRANZ association of NZ, by the NZ Govt who made it possible for the manufacture of the crap we had to use here in NZ and last and by no means least the Councils who made it mandatory to use the specified products.
Builders, timber merchants, suppliers and sub contractors from all over the country told the Govt and the councils what would happen if they took this road.They did anyway and no amount of complaining made it go away, so the builders with any sense picked the jobs they built and made sure there was no leaky building syndrome in them in the first palce, the rest took whatever work they could and ended up jigsaw puzzle assemblers.
Main people to make Buckets of cash from No treatment timber and or water proof exterior cladding, the Govt in increased sales taxes on huge amounts of untreated timber, the producers of the timber and the cladding, read here any of the large manufacturing firms known globally but based here in NZ.
It was a wrought, we as suppliers told the makers what we thought and were simply told, thats fine don't supply it and go bust because everyone else will be.An ya know what, they did.Shame.

[marty]

It's a shame you didn't pass on to your son the values you are trying to backpedal and extoll on here - something like 'that sounds like a great idea son - you could really make a difference I'm sure. I'll support you 100% in your choice, however you should consider getting a trade first or doing some travelling first - it will give you so many more skills to use when you are in a situation that could give you a way better work story'

[marty]

It's rort - not wrought :)

I'm not sure I absolutely believe there's no culpability on behalf of the builders, but I'm some flash lawyer has looked down that route. I work in an industry now where no matter what the book says, or the legislation says, if I'm not happy with it I can say NO. If I make an intentional fuck up, I could be criminally liable (as 2 of my peers found out when they were convicted for manslaughter)

[scumdog]

It's a shame you didn't pass on to your son the values you are trying to backpedal and extoll on here - something like 'that sounds like a great idea son - you could really make a difference I'm sure. I'll support you 100% in your choice, however you should consider getting a trade first or doing some travelling first - it will give you so many more skills to use when you are in a situation that could give you a way better work story'

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.

[Katman]

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.

[AllanB]

Ha ha I must be on KB!
Post one - bash the cops,
Post three - bash the Harleys.

Personally every time I'm on the bike I expect to be treated as a 'potential speeder' and frankly I'm fine with that. Half the thrill of riding notorcycles over the past 29 years has been or is the ability to instantly 'speed'. No this does not mean I'm always speeding, but there is always the risk I may!!!!!!!! (insert manic laughter).

The Police are not stupid, they are quite aware of the ability of a big bore modern motorcyle and are welcome to stop me for a 'documentation check, sir' as my documents are always up-to-date.

Expect to be pulled over a lot more for checks once the new rego fees hit!

Is it 'right'? Are they 'picking on us?' nah - we are just identified as a pack of hoons in the same way 'boy-racers' get more attention than me when I'm driving the Mitzi Galant! Maybe I should lower it, get some 19's and a big arse muffler!

[Jantar]

......
but in reality it is sensible policing.
Absolutely. This is traffic policing for road safety. I, for one, have no complaints with this campaign. I also note that the evidence is by photo, so there is no chance of a dodgy ticket either.

[Jantar]

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.
I know one of the constables who gave evidence agains the two accused cops. I also know the advice that his dad would have given him when he decided to join, and it would be all positive. (His dad is a JP and a farmer).

[flyingcrocodile46]

yet you expect a Police officer to intimately know all legislation from the last 100 years at the drop of a hat without referring to any books? Make instant calls on legality or not, make all calls 100% and without error, then if it doesn't go their way, they can are criminally liable? I don't see any builder being done for fraud, for building houses that they knew were going to leak bad builders out there that did dumb shit..... <snip rest="" of="" drivel="">.

When did I ever say that I had that sort of expectation of police officers?

Re seeing builder being done for fraud. You just ain't looking in the right places. Go to the DBH web site and check out the links to the determinations if you have the stomach for it. (mind numbing shit). Plenty of builders (who have any money to pay) are being hammered and lots of other parties are. Not always fairly. Take the concrete placing contractor who turned up to an job that he had given a phone quote for. Showed up at the same time as the concrete truck (owner builder project manager fuck up) all the prep was done he just had to place and finish the concrete driveway where he was told and to the levels formed by the boxing provided (as seemingly acknowledged by the adjudicator in the determination).

Yet 8 years later (in his absence) a WHRS determination found he was guilty of forming exterior paved ground levels higher than acceptable solutions allowed and which had subsequently resulted in damage worth less than $10,000 or remediation cost, he was ordered to pay $50,000.


It's a shame you didn't pass on to your son the values you are trying to backpedal and extoll on here - something like 'that sounds like a great idea son - you could really make a difference I'm sure. I'll support you 100% in your choice, however you should consider getting a trade first or doing some travelling first - it will give you so many more skills to use when you are in a situation that could give you a way better work story'

I'll pay that. I accept that I don't get everything perfect or even right, all the time.




I'm not sure I absolutely believe there's no culpability on behalf of the builders, ..<snip drivel="">..

Nor should you. They/we are partially to blame.</snip></snip>

[flyingcrocodile46]

To be honest, I imagine the extent of the father/son conversation went.........

"You wanna do what????? Are you fuckin stupid????? Those guys are cunts!!!! Get back in your fuckin room!!!!!"

Some kids don't deserve to be saddled with the parents they have.

Funny how our imaginations are tainted by our own experiences with life eh!

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yeah I know, he didn't retaliate either so he is the better man.

The acknowledgment of it calls into question the grounds for saying it in my eyes

[Katman]

The acknowledgment of it calls into question the grounds for saying it in my eyes

So lets get this straight.........

You show yourself to be a prize shit-for-brains Dad and it's the fault of someone who gives you negative rep???

[flyingcrocodile46]

So lets get this straight.........
Ever the challenge... I imagine


You show yourself to be a prize shit-for-brains Dad and it's the fault of someone who gives you negative rep???

No. What I was referring to was the content of the post I was quoting, not the feedback. (i.e if he acknowledged that my failure to respond to his negative feedback in kind may indicate that I'm a better man then maybe (as he is big enough to consider that) he doesn't have so much grounds to think I am the better man. Maybe not well expressed and possibly a little complicated for the easily so, but nevertheless I am at a total loss as to how you have made the connection that you appear to have made. Are you on drugs?

[Katman]

Are you on drugs?

The way I see it, you've either had a life-changing epiphany or you're embarassed by your parenting skills.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The way I see it, you've either had a life-changing epiphany or you're embarassed by your parenting skills.

Perhaps if you could express your misunderstanding in a way in which people might be expected to be able to accurately interpret, I could elucidate you. Otherwise Fuck off.

[Spearfish]

Ever the challenge... I imagine



No. What I was referring to was the content of the post I was quoting, not the feedback. (i.e if he acknowledged that my failure to respond to his negative feedback in kind may indicate that I'm a better man then maybe (as he is big enough to consider that) he doesn't have so much grounds to think I am the better man. Maybe not well expressed and possibly a little complicated for the easily so, but nevertheless I am at a total loss as to how you have made the connection that you appear to have made. Are you on drugs?

Emotionless text can complicate things..
I gave negative feedback, someone else commented on that negative feedback, the person who got the negative feedback didn't tit for tat me with negative feedback...I gave positive feedback to the commenter of the negative feedback for pointing out the harshness of giving negative feedback in a positive way.

[FJRider]

Cocksuckers will always be cocksuckers.

With your experience to date ... which do you prefer, being one or knowing one ... ???

[flyingcrocodile46]

emotionless text can complicate things..
I gave negative feedback, someone else commented on that negative feedback, the person who got the negative feedback didn't tit for tat me with negative feedback...i gave positive feedback to the commenter of the negative feedback for pointing out the harshness of giving negative feedback in a positive way.

lmfao .....

[miloking]

Hmmm, I must be in a different country - thank goodness I'm not sharing yours.

And your job is?

Nah i live in same country as him mate...maybe its you who lives in "different" country in their head...

[Max Preload]

It's about you trying to force your own fetid prejudices on to him while he's still "young and susceptible".

Is a belief that none of what flyingcrocodile46 said is true not just a different prejudice?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Is a belief that none of what flyingcrocodile64 said is true not just a different prejudice?

No point in being clever. He won't be able to understand.

[SPman]

I don't see any builder being done for fraud, for building houses that they knew were going to leak bad builders out there that did dumb shit. But as Caseye said a lot were contracted to do so and to deviate from contract documents would likely result in financial penalty, breach of contract etc - sounds like a perfect pecuniary gain type of fraud - they knew the work was shit, but they did it anyway as to not do it would result in them not getting $$. There are builders out there who should be done! Incompetence isn't a strong enough word for some of the building shit that's gone down over the last 20 yrs! I've seen building botchups, most people would find hard to believe, despite being willing listeners - as, no doubt would Mr Flyingcrocodile have. A bit like the unbelievable situations some of the constabulary would have come across during their careers.....

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.
Reckon you shouldn't be allowed to join until you have had a lot of life experience - at least 10 yrs after leaving school - too many people go straight from school/Uni to jobs that involve a lot of interaction with and power over people and they are fecking worse than useless!

[Grubber]

Seems to me that there has been a hell of a hike in cop bashing threads in the past yr !

I blame ACC !~ The increase of millitants on the site who need to find someone to hate is phenominal !

Bring back the harley bashing threads they were much more fun !

You know something ? (well you don't but i is gonna tell ya anyway haha) I'm hitting 50 in a month or so and the body is feeling the years of abuse i have given it ! If i spend a day riding without the right gear on now my joints seize for the next two, if i spend a day with a sledge hammer and pinch bar doing renovations on a run down batch, i suffer for days afterwards, but it won't stop me doing either !

It's my grandsons 2nd birthday today, woohooo a kiddies party, i love 2 yr olds parties, surrounded by happy crappy nappies who havent learnt to hate anything yet, everything is to be tried, touched, opened, closed, tasted etc etc nothing is evil in their world !

I must be one of the lucky older folk around cause life is good, I have never been bashed by a cop, only ever been treated with the same respect i give them or anyone i ever come accross, i hate no-one and firmly believe no-one hates me, i have a choice of bikes to ride, my Mrs likes to both ride or snuggle behind me, i live in an old house with a warm fire, but dont own it. That was my choice several years ago, but situations change and i have now found a piece of land, that will allow me to surround myself in the company of ppl i enjoy having around, sure i'll have to sell some bikes to free up more cash for the deposit but thats the choice i'm making !
I'll still ride and ride with guys and gals who don't hate life, or what life hands them, they laugh about the ticket someone got on yesterdays ride, cry if a rider goes down, but there is still no hatred !

I am so looking forward to moving onto this new place, calf in the paddock, pig in the pen, chooks in the yard, a building for all my friends to gather and talk shit whenever they want, beds gallore for those who want to stay. There will always be some who join us on rides or come for a social night that feel hatred, but they wont be shown any, they will be offered a bed if they have a few too many, a beer if they turn up at the new place unexpectedly (nothings changed there)

Gee i'm ranting !

Just wanted to say i must be gettin old, cause fuck i'm happy !
Oh wait, i've always been happy but aint always been old, is it just me ?

Fuckin well said my man! I have a 3year old grandson who has a ton of innocence about him. Very refreshing. I just hope he learns to read soon so i can show him your post.
I'm the same. Life may not be perfect but it never is. Just be happy with ya lot and smile at the neighbor once in a while (specially if she only wearing her bikini on the back lawn).

[sinfull]

Fuckin well said my man! I have a 3year old grandson who has a ton of innocence about him. Very refreshing. I just hope he learns to read soon so i can show him your post.
I'm the same. Life may not be perfect but it never is. Just be happy with ya lot and smile at the neighbor once in a while (specially if she only wearing her bikini on the back lawn).
I been a drinkin !



More to follow !

[sinfull]

What I tell young guys who want to join.

Get a trade

Get some life experience

THEN join.


No point in being clever. He won't be able to understand. Should that rule apply to KB !

[=cJ=]

Answer to the OP:

Cause some of you (that's the great unwashed in general) are fuckwits. Some fuckwits ride bikes.

funniest thing I've seen is someone doing an runner on a Harley (when dressed like a gang rapist funnily enough but wearing a full-face helmet), falling off at about 20km/h, then after fighting with him for about a minute, his visor mysteriously opened, a can of pepper spray was somehow discharged into said open visor, then the visor was closed.

In the ensueing screaming/crying for mummy/whimpering 5 minutes, a loaded 9mm pistol was recovered from a shoulder holster, which was what the gang rapist was trying to access during the 60 second struggle....

You tell a "funny" story, then try to justify it by what you found AFTER your actions...

.. yep, I'm suitably impressed.

[scumdog]

You tell a "funny" story, then try to justify it by what you found AFTER your actions...

.. yep, I'm suitably impressed.

Some are easily impressed I guess!

[scumdog]

You tell a "funny" story, then try to justify it by what you found AFTER your actions...

.. yep, I'm suitably impressed.

Some are easily impressed I guess!

[Spearfish]

Some are easily impressed I guess!

I guess I am. your not far from 10.000 drongo re-winds

[miloking]

I guess I am. your not far from 10.000 drongo re-winds

Over 10000, thats a new one...

[R-Soul]

Seems to me that there has been a hell of a hike in cop bashing threads in the past yr !

I blame ACC !~ The increase of millitants on the site who need to find someone to hate is phenominal !

Bring back the harley bashing threads they were much more fun !

You know something ? (well you don't but i is gonna tell ya anyway haha) I'm hitting 50 in a month or so and the body is feeling the years of abuse i have given it ! If i spend a day riding without the right gear on now my joints seize for the next two, if i spend a day with a sledge hammer and pinch bar doing renovations on a run down batch, i suffer for days afterwards, but it won't stop me doing either !

It's my grandsons 2nd birthday today, woohooo a kiddies party, i love 2 yr olds parties, surrounded by happy crappy nappies who havent learnt to hate anything yet, everything is to be tried, touched, opened, closed, tasted etc etc nothing is evil in their world !

I must be one of the lucky older folk around cause life is good, I have never been bashed by a cop, only ever been treated with the same respect i give them or anyone i ever come accross, i hate no-one and firmly believe no-one hates me, i have a choice of bikes to ride, my Mrs likes to both ride or snuggle behind me, i live in an old house with a warm fire, but dont own it. That was my choice several years ago, but situations change and i have now found a piece of land, that will allow me to surround myself in the company of ppl i enjoy having around, sure i'll have to sell some bikes to free up more cash for the deposit but thats the choice i'm making !
I'll still ride and ride with guys and gals who don't hate life, or what life hands them, they laugh about the ticket someone got on yesterdays ride, cry if a rider goes down, but there is still no hatred !

I am so looking forward to moving onto this new place, calf in the paddock, pig in the pen, chooks in the yard, a building for all my friends to gather and talk shit whenever they want, beds gallore for those who want to stay. There will always be some who join us on rides or come for a social night that feel hatred, but they wont be shown any, they will be offered a bed if they have a few too many, a beer if they turn up at the new place unexpectedly (nothings changed there)

Gee i'm ranting !

Just wanted to say i must be gettin old, cause fuck i'm happy !
Oh wait, i've always been happy but aint always been old, is it just me ?

Nice sentiment - way too many miltatnt people with chips on their shoulders.
Can't say I have any problems with cops either. Always been friendly and respectful, and not once tried to solicit a bribe from me. Makes a fantastic change....

[pritch]

i though they are illegal to own in NZ?? (unless kept inside the safe at local gun club etc.)

You didn't seem to be doing too well, probably best not to introduce multiple errors of fact? :whistle:

[miloking]

You didn't seem to be doing too well, probably best not to introduce multiple errors of fact? :whistle:

Iam bit slow today, what exactly are you talking about.... the gun conversation? Never claimed it to be facts...thats something i seriously heard and never bothered to reasearch it further, but thanks now i know i can buy a gun...yay!

[scumdog]

Iam bit slow today, what exactly are you talking about.... the gun conversation? Never claimed it to be facts...thats something i seriously heard and never bothered to reasearch it further, but thanks now i know i can buy a gun...yay!

After the paying of money, checking of security and vetting your suitability of course!

And if your willingness to comply with the laws re guns is as good as it is re traffic? - you're screwed.


EDIT: And you had better hope those vetting you don't check out KB....

[jahrasti]

After the paying of money, checking of security and vetting your suitability of course!

And if your willingness to comply with the laws re guns is as good as it is re traffic? - you're screwed.

Don't burst his bubble, it will give him something else to bitch about.

[miloking]

After the paying of money, checking of security and vetting your suitability of course!

And if your willingness to comply with the laws re guns is as good as it is re traffic? - you're screwed.


EDIT: And you had better hope those vetting you don't check out KB....


Cool well i will mend my ways and be a good citizen for while then...and start saying thigs like "i like police" and "obeying a law is good" and surely they will let me buy that Desert eagle i always wanted ;)

[red mermaid]

No! Don't start obeying laws...think of the damage it will do to your image.

Keep disobeying stupid laws, and I think you should get organised with a new stupid law to disobey each week.

I suggest you start with that stupid "keep left" law and follow the US and European example by driving on the right at all times. We'll see how that week goes before looking for another stupid law to break.



Cool well i will mend my ways and be a good citizen for while then...and start saying thigs like "i like police" and "obeying a law is good" and surely they will let me buy that Desert eagle i always wanted ;)

[Smifffy]

I guess I am. your not far from 10.000 drongo re-winds

It certainly shows his depth of experience here. He predicted the arrival of some "slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo" to this thread, regarding the failings of the building industry, and right on cue one turned up 4 posts later.

Epic!

[Spearfish]

It certainly shows his depth of experience here. He predicted the arrival of some "slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo" to this thread, regarding the failings of the building industry, and right on cue one turned up 4 posts later.

Epic!

So your a wood butcher to ?

[Smifffy]

So your a wood butcher to ?

Oh Yeah! But probably not how you think ;)

[flyingcrocodile46]

It certainly shows his depth of experience here. He predicted the arrival of some "slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo" to this thread, regarding the failings of the building industry, and right on cue one turned up 4 posts later.

Epic!

Wow! Another tard that can't read KB threads so just makes up shit to finger paint his face with.:rolleyes: Well done fucksplash


If I was some slack-jawed mouth-breathing lackwitted improvident bozo (and there's a shit load of THEM on this site) I would at this point say "Ah, so youz are one of them wot was the cause of them leaky home things, watchoo gonna do about it, eh, eh?"

Sorta in the manner a lot on KB tag me because of the actions of a few of those in the same occupation as me. (or use to be in the same occupation)

Ah, there's nothing like 'tarring them all with the one brush' eh?

What's the word you used again smiffy?.... That's right.. "Epic" as in Epic fail. Wear it with pride.



So your a wood butcher to ?


Oh Yeah! But probably not how you think ;)

There is a difference between butchering and biting.

[Spearfish]

:shutup::shutup::sunny:

[Smifffy]

Wow! Another tard that can't read KB threads so just makes up shit to finger paint his face with.:rolleyes: Well done fucksplash

What's the word you used again smiffy?.... That's right.. "Epic" as in Epic fail. Wear it with pride.



LMAO - I'd say not being able to count to 4 was an epic fail myself!!! :rofl:

Being unable to count to 3 ain't that bright either. I thought you were doing ok, but deciding to lash out at any and all in this manner quite remarkable.

Classic!!

PS What "shit" did I make up?

[flyingcrocodile46]

LMAO - I'd say not being able to count to 4 was an epic fail myself!!! :rofl:

Being unable to count to 3 ain't that bright either. I thought you were doing ok, but deciding to lash out at any and all in this manner quite remarkable.

Classic!!


PS What "shit" did I make up?


Doh!:sick:

I is self PWNED :sick:

[Patrick]

Perhaps they read about the other pursuits death thread, and wanted more harsher penalties for runners, and were just doing their part to impose a harsher penalty.....?

Haven't bothered reading the rest. I assume everyone has been saying, "It is just another PCA Whitewashing Coverup" anyhow......

[Spearfish]

Perhaps they read about the other pursuits death thread, and wanted more harsher penalties for runners, and were just doing their part to impose a harsher penalty.....?

Haven't bothered reading the rest. I assume everyone has been saying, "It is just another PCA Whitewashing Coverup" anyhow......

No Smiffy was doing a counting exercise and chucked a grenade, I think flyingcrock' thought it went into his foxhole but it was all mine.
The thread has wandered off topic a little but then KB is organic and tends to do that from time to time.

So what's this about a cover up? there hasn't been any cops thrashing topics for this week I guess the weather has allowed more riding than talking?

[Patrick]

ROFL...

Twas very tongue in cheek....

So - no cover up, cops charged and convicted.....

But the system doesn't work..... according to some disgruntled few....

[Banditbandit]

I think what this article shows is that the Police have no tolerance for this sort of inappropriate behavior at all. Clearly, two Police Officers may (or may not have, as some evidence would lead me to believe) made a mistake and are now facing the penalties.

No it shouldn't happen at all, but when it does (because Police are just human too), they face the music. The thing that annoys me is when people bag on the Police and then call them when their house gets broken into. If you don't think they can do their job in one capacity, why should you ask for their help in another. I know plenty of cops, and they are ALL good guys and girls. Its unfortunate that they have to put up with a lot of the stick they do because of the few bad police.

So ... some of you are learning what those of us who rode bikes, with long hair and leathers in the early 1970s, and who were tarred with the "Gang Rapist" brush, have known for a long time ... don't trust a blue uniform until they have proven themselves ... and then only as far as you can legally kick one ... don't give me that b****t about them being "only human...". I've seen the violent, racist and illegal behaviour from too many of them in the past. Yes, I'm a product of my experiences - where the police are concerned, those experiences have not been good ...

Yes, things are a little better now ... The first time one called me "Sir " and meant it ... I didn't realize he was talking to me ... but he used that word probably because I was walking home from work, dressed reasonably respectably (for a change) and they were looking for someone else ... and it was around 1982 ...

And no, I don't call on them when I "need help" ... the last off I had, they turned up because some bystander called them ... which was actually useful, I admit, because the car driver accepted responsibility of the spot and I got the insurance easily ... Mostly I sort out my own stuff ...


So if you're not a cop but think you're above the law is that ok then?:msn-wink:

No, not above the law - outside the law ... I never gave my consent to obey any laws ... if my chosen behaviour happens to be legal - that's just a coincidence. My behaviour is based on my own ethics, not the laws.

Those who follow the laws because they are the laws are brainwashed - subjected to the propaganda systems of Church, Mass Education and Mass Media - and it has worked very very well. I used to work in the Mass Media propaganda system - so I will claim some responsibility for turning some of you into sheep ... but I won't apologize ... we all need sheep - they feed the rest of us ...

[Katman]

No, not above the law - outside the law ... I never gave my consent to obey any laws ... if my chosen behaviour happens to be legal - that's just a coincidence. My behaviour is based on my own ethics, not the laws.


It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

[Banditbandit]

It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

Ha .. people have been saying that since Aristotle .. especially his ravings against the sins of the youth of the day ... nothing's really changed ...

[Bass]

Have been surprised at the standard of debate in this thread - surprisingly thoughful and adult for KB.

[scumdog]

So ... some of you are learning what those of us who rode bikes, with long hair and leathers in the early 1970s, and who were tarred with the "Gang Rapist" brush, have known for a long time ... ...

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...


Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

[Banditbandit]

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...


Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

Yeah - some of us got old !!! Generally, I don't have a chip on my shoulder the size of Texas .. got over it years ago ... just feeling grumpy with the law because I lost my licence for too many demerit points ... Hey - my fault ... I knew the consequences .. and did it anyway ... it wass deliberate - several times. Just wasn't deliberately in front of a cop !

But I've never lost my suspicion of cops ... just generally don't let it wind me up any more ... and because I have a "straight" job and earn shitloads of money (by my standards) I don't deal with them daily - just when one catches me doing something on the road the law says I can't ...

[Ixion]

Geez, that would have described me to a 'T' about 30 or so years ago...


Unlike some I never managed to end up with a Texas-sized chip on my shoulder about 'the man'.

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves


(Sorry, Robert)

[HenryDorsetCase]

After the paying of money, checking of security and vetting your suitability of course!

And if your willingness to comply with the laws re guns is as good as it is re traffic? - you're screwed.


EDIT: And you had better hope those vetting you don't check out KB....


Just do what the crims do and buy a full-auto M16 for $1500 cash and a pound of weed or gram of meth down your local dodgy pub carpark.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Have been surprised at the standard of debate in this thread - surprisingly thoughful and adult for KB.

I've tried and failed miserably to bring it up to its usual standard. Sorry.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It would be wonderful if everyone in society had a standard of ethics that allowed us to co-habitate in peace and harmony.

Unfortunately society has become known for it lack of ethics, principles, and for that matter, sense of conscience.

Hence the need for laws.

Its "Lor" isn't it?

[Bass]

I've tried and failed miserably to bring it up to its usual standard. Sorry.

Such is life.
No need for apology.
We are a diverse lot and IMHO it's that diversity that keeps this forum entertaining.
Also, it has a life of its own.
I have argued vociferously in here, with people i know personally. When I meet them face to face, the topic of the argument never even gets a mention.
I suspect this is a common experience.

[onearmedbandit]

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves


(Sorry, Robert)

I can quote 'lyrics' too;

Well now I've got some advice for you little buddy,
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the Man,
If I'm the Man, then you're the Man and he's the Man as well,
So you can point that fucking finger up your arse.

Tool - Hooker with a penis.

We're all the 'Man'.

[onearmedbandit]

Well, that would hardly be logical, because now you are the Man.

Just for a handful of silver he left us,
Just for a ribbon to stick in his coat—
Found the one gift of which fortune bereft us,
Lost all the others she lets us devote;
They, with the gold to give, dol’d him out silver,
So much was theirs who so little allow’d;
Now he's a copper in their service!
...................
Shakespeare was of us, Milton was for us,
Burns, Shelley, were with us,—they watch from their graves!
He alone breaks from the van and the freemen,
He alone sinks to the rear and the slaves


(Sorry, Robert)

I can quote 'lyrics' too;

Well now I've got some advice for you little buddy,
Before you point your finger you should know that I'm the Man,
If I'm the Man, then you're the Man and he's the Man as well,
So you can point that fucking finger up your arse.

Tool - Hooker with a penis.

We're all the 'Man'.

[scumdog]

Just do what the crims do and buy a full-auto M16 for $1500 cash and a pound of weed or gram of meth down your local dodgy pub carpark.

Hmm, $1500 for a full auto M16 I can dig.

The weed or p might be a bit tougher.

Would still work out not too bad a deal...where's this pub again???

[Kickaha]

The weed or p might be a bit tougher.

Can't you just dig some out of the impound locker?

[PrincessBandit]

Those who follow the laws because they are the laws are brainwashed - subjected to the propaganda systems of Church, Mass Education and Mass Media - and it has worked very very well. I used to work in the Mass Media propaganda system - so I will claim some responsibility for turning some of you into sheep ... but I won't apologize ... we all need sheep - they feed the rest of us ...

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaa, but eat me if you dare....... this little sheepy bites back.

If we were able to have a society with no rules or laws some people would be delighted. I'm pretty sure though a large number of ordinary peace loving citizens would live in fear for their lives as society's predators would have even less reason to hold back from their bullying and antisocial behaviour. Tarring with the same brush? Of course it happens, but some people rise above that. Others pout and sulk when their own deliberate actions cause them grief whether it be from the law, the olds, or the spouse.

[Katman]

This here is precisely the sort of shit that police should be clamping down on.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125278-Want-to-sell-your-bike?p=1129793892#post1129793892

And furthermore, I fail to see how the police who are active members on this site can be happy to sit back and do nothing about people flagrantly posting evidence of their contempt for anything that resembles responsible road usage.

[Berries]

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that is exactly the reason many people ride bikes.

i know you won't like it, but that is the reality and nothing you say on here is going to stop it.

[Katman]

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that is exactly the reason many people ride bikes.

i know you won't like it, but that is the reality and nothing you say on here is going to stop it.

And it's those people who insist on using public roads as their own personal racetracks who are the ones that will be responsible for motorcycling being legislated out of existance.

You can sit back and meekly allow that to happen if you wish. Me - I'd prefer to do whatever I can to rid motorcycling of the 'law unto one's self' attitude that's killing it.

[BoristheBiter]

So ... some of you are learning what those of us who rode bikes, with long hair and leathers in the early 1970s, and who were tarred with the "Gang Rapist" brush, have known for a long time ... don't trust a blue uniform until they have proven themselves ... and then only as far as you can legally kick one ... don't give me that b****t about them being "only human...". I've seen the violent, racist and illegal behaviour from too many of them in the past. Yes, I'm a product of my experiences - where the police are concerned, those experiences have not been good ...

Yes, things are a little better now ... The first time one called me "Sir " and meant it ... I didn't realize he was talking to me ... but he used that word probably because I was walking home from work, dressed reasonably respectably (for a change) and they were looking for someone else ... and it was around 1982 ...

And no, I don't call on them when I "need help" ... the last off I had, they turned up because some bystander called them ... which was actually useful, I admit, because the car driver accepted responsibility of the spot and I got the insurance easily ... Mostly I sort out my own stuff ...



No, not above the law - outside the law ... I never gave my consent to obey any laws ... if my chosen behaviour happens to be legal - that's just a coincidence. My behaviour is based on my own ethics, not the laws.

Those who follow the laws because they are the laws are brainwashed - subjected to the propaganda systems of Church, Mass Education and Mass Media - and it has worked very very well. I used to work in the Mass Media propaganda system - so I will claim some responsibility for turning some of you into sheep ... but I won't apologize ... we all need sheep - they feed the rest of us ...

What? so are you a gang rapist or not?
Couldn't quite get what you were meaning could you please go into a bit more detail?

[flyingcrocodile46]

This here is precisely the sort of shit that police should be clamping down on.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125278-Want-to-sell-your-bike?p=1129793892#post1129793892 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/125278-Want-to-sell-your-bike?p=1129793892#post1129793892)

And furthermore, I fail to see how the police who are active members on this site can be happy to sit back and do nothing about people flagrantly posting evidence of their contempt for anything that resembles responsible road usage.

Probably because they aren't as anal as you and don't share your whineyarse narrow minded point of view... would be my guess

BTW your fixation on Beyond is very telling. You should seek help to better understand your feelings for him. Maybe then you could work up the courage to ask him out on a date like a grown up fag rather than playing the role of a rabid ankle biter too scared to come out of the closet.


And it's those people who insist on using public roads as their own personal racetracks who are the ones that will be responsible for motorcycling being legislated out of existance.

You can sit back and meekly allow that to happen if you wish. Me - I'd prefer to do whatever I can to rid motorcycling of the 'law unto one's self' attitude that's killing it.

Fucksake you whine about the same shit forever. No way you have a wife, she wouldn't be able to compete.

Frankly if we had to ride our bikes like a nanna all the time, I'd rather drive a cage.

[Katman]

Frankly if we had to ride our bikes like a nanna all the time, I'd rather drive a cage.

Meh, you're probably as big a cock in your car as you are on your bike.

[miloking]

This here is precisely the sort of shit that police should be clamping down on.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/125278-Want-to-sell-your-bike?p=1129793892#post1129793892

And furthermore, I fail to see how the police who are active members on this site can be happy to sit back and do nothing about people flagrantly posting evidence of their contempt for anything that resembles responsible road usage.

This beyond video clip summarized all the reasons why i started riding bikes....maybe its you and soft cock attitude of people like you thats ruining the image of motorcycling, did you ever think of it that way!
Fuck if what you consider motorcycling becomes true (eg. exchanging stories at local cafe with you fellow possers on how the 80km/h speed limit is bit too fast) than we all might as well buy a cage and bicycles...and forget the other things on two wheels.

By the way #1: "they" can "legislate" what ever out of existence...its their fucking laws not mine so they will have to shoot me first before i would obey some rules made by pencil shufflers in wellington and enforced by their minions (very well represented on this site)

By the way #2:why dont you all fucking pigs and "law & order" lovers get off this site...this place is called KIWIBIKER and its made for bikers not for some snitching snakes working for the man trying to tell me how i should or shouldnt live my life!

[Katman]

This beyond video clip summarized all the reasons why i started riding bikes....

That doesn't surprise me.

You come across as retarded as him.

[miloking]

That doesn't surprise me.

You come across as retarded as him.

ok there are lots of us that feel about motorcycling certain way and there is lots of people that think of it your way...but if we dont find some middle ground it will probably end up as you said "legislated" out of existence for all of us...
But you have to understand some people like the bikes because...shock horror, they go fast!
I mean why is there Turbocharged GSXR1400 on trademe with 250+hp? Iam pretty sure it wasnt made for commuting...

[Katman]

But you have to understand some people like the bikes because...shock horror, they go fast!

Then take it to a track fuckhead.

[miloking]

Then take it to a track fuckhead.

not enough available, and too pricey for small group to hire....and no track days at all in winter.

[Katman]

The retarded viewpoint that motorcycles are provided for the express means of disregarding society's expectation of how we should interact on public roads is precisely what will see the end of motorcycling.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Meh, you're probably as big a cock in your car as you are on your bike.

I bet that makes your mouth water eh!

[miloking]

The retarded viewpoint that motorcycles are provided for the express means of disregarding society's expectation of how we should interact on public roads is precisely what will see the end of motorcycling.

WHY are people allowed to register bikes with 1:1 kg/hp ratio on public roads (worldwide) if it was a such a problem like you are making it out to be...its very easy to make such a vehicle "illegal" (and i would have to ride without number plate...)

However problem easily solved..if we are such a menace! I think you are making big drama out of nothing...yes, few of us take their bikes to some deserted open roads and give it a go...but how many people have bikers killed so far? Iam pretty sure its the otherway around...they should "outlaw" housewives and SUVs if it was up to me...

[Katman]

WHY are people allowed to register bikes with 1:1 power/hp ratio on public roads (worldwide) if it was a such a problem like you are making it out to be...

What the fuck is a power to horsepower ratio?

[BoristheBiter]

By the way #1: "they" can "legislate" what ever out of existence...its their fucking laws not mine so they will have to shoot me first before i would obey some rules made by pencil shufflers in wellington and enforced by their minions (very well represented on this site)

!

More than happy to fucktard.

[miloking]

What the fuck is a power to horsepower ratio?

i corrected myself right away..i meant power/weight...

[miloking]

More than happy to fucktard.

#2 is for you... read it and do it!

[Deano]

WHY are people allowed to register bikes with 1:1 kg/hp ratio on public roads (worldwide)


Because we still have some freedoms left. Like it or not, with freedom comes responsibility.

But be careful - the Ozzie Govt nearly outlawed V8's after the GTHO. What's to stop the NZ Govt outlawing any bikes with more than 80HP ?

[Katman]

but how many people have bikers killed so far?

How many bikers have killed themselves?

[BoristheBiter]

#2 is for you... read it and do it!

Fucking looser.

[Berries]

You can sit back and meekly allow that to happen if you wish. Me - I'd prefer to do whatever I can to rid motorcycling of the 'law unto one's self' attitude that's killing it.
Oh well, best of luck. I can't help feeling however that this kind of behaviour has been going on since bikes were invented and will still be going on long after you hang up your boots. You can't win.

[Patrick]

....By the way #1: "they" can "legislate" what ever out of existence...its their fucking laws not mine so they will have to shoot me first before i would obey some rules made by pencil shufflers in wellington and enforced by their minions (very well represented on this site)

By the way #2:why dont you all fucking pigs and "law & order" lovers get off this site...this place is called KIWIBIKER and its made for bikers not for some snitching snakes working for the man trying to tell me how i should or shouldnt live my life!

Boo fucken hoo.... You should do this in the States - they probably would shoot you.

Heres a heads up. All "cops" on here are on here because they have.... ummm... MOTORBIKES.... Some are even Kiwis. Some even have more than one motorbike. Some have even been riding waaaaaaay longer than you grass hopper........

Some even come on here because of .... Ummmmm "motorbikes"...... and to point out the ways of the real world as opposed to the telly/movie watching beliefs of some, the wrongs of the bush lawyers and some absolutely shocking advice they have given.....

And if you don't like that, well......, you've only been here a short time. You could just fuck off....

[Patrick]

How many bikers have killed themselves?

None...

It's ALWAYS someone or something elses fault.......:rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

You could just fuck off....

We live in hope

[miloking]

None...

It's ALWAYS someone or something elses fault.......:rolleyes:

never said its ALWAYS someone elses fault...but its our lives and we are allowed to treat them as we see appropriate....dont need police and their nanny attittude trying to protect my "well being"

but ..

Yeah probably lots of bikers kill themselves...thats the way it is and always will be. Lots of base jumpers kill themselves to...and nobody is crying about it, dangerous activity is..just dangerous thats all.

[miloking]

Boo fucken hoo.... You should do this in the States - they probably would shoot you.

Heres a heads up. All "cops" on here are on here because they have.... ummm... MOTORBIKES.... Some are even Kiwis. Some even have more than one motorbike. Some have even been riding waaaaaaay longer than you grass hopper........

Some even come on here because of .... Ummmmm "motorbikes"...... and to point out the ways of the real world as opposed to the telly/movie watching beliefs of some, the wrongs of the bush lawyers and some absolutely shocking advice they have given.....

And if you don't like that, well......, you've only been here a short time. You could just fuck off....

Ok if you are cops and also BIKERS stop fucking whinging like little bitches about some 'other' bikers on here riding bit fast....if you have serious conflict of "interest" because of your job dont come here to tell us how to fucking ride just because you have obligation to your profession!

And the rest of you fuckers that arent even real cops but just cops ass kissers..you have no fucking right to even talk about someone elses riding.

[Katman]

Ok if you are cops and also BIKERS stop fucking whinging like little bitches about some 'other' bikers on here riding bit fast....if you have serious conflict of "interest" because of your job dont come here to tell us how to fucking ride just because you have obligation to your profession!

And the rest of you fuckers that arent even real cops but just cops ass kissers..you have no fucking right to even talk about someone elses riding.

And what about the rest of us motorcyclists who get to suffer from your retarded view that you have an all-encompassing right to ride in whatever manner you wish?

[miloking]

And what about the rest of us motorcyclists who get to suffer from your retarded view that you have an all-encompassing right to ride in whatever manner you wish?

You can go fuck yourself.

haha the irony is that i dont even ride nowhere near as fast as 80% bikers....i just like to defend freedom of choice. And hate when "other" people think they have god given right to tell us what to do...

[Katman]

haha the irony is that i dont even ride nowhere near as fast as 80% bikers....i just like to defend freedom of choice. And hate when "other" people think they have god given right to tell us what to do...

When your actions affect my motorcycling freedom I have every right to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

[Banditbandit]

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaa, but eat me if you dare....... this little sheepy bites back.

If we were able to have a society with no rules or laws some people would be delighted. I'm pretty sure though a large number of ordinary peace loving citizens would live in fear for their lives as society's predators would have even less reason to hold back from their bullying and antisocial behaviour. Tarring with the same brush? Of course it happens, but some people rise above that. Others pout and sulk when their own deliberate actions cause them grief whether it be from the law, the olds, or the spouse.
'
Im not suggesting there be no laws ... I am simply saying that some people obey them because they are the laws ... that's a brainwashed viewpoint ... Of course there needs to be laws .. there are other reasons to obey them than just because the Authority Figures say we should ... and we should each find our own reasons for obeying the laws ... if that's what we do.




You can sit back and meekly allow that to happen if you wish. Me - I'd prefer to do whatever I can to rid motorcycling of the 'law unto one's self' attitude that's killing it.

Yeah ! ... catch me if you can .. or dare ....



What? so are you a gang rapist or not?
Couldn't quite get what you were meaning could you please go into a bit more detail?

I was never a member of a patched club - or ever convicted of any criminal offence .. just got tarred with that brush because I rode in black leathers, cut-off denims over the top and had long hair ... just a rebel biker... It wasn't that hard to understand was it?


Then take it to a track fuckhead.

Naaaa ... it's the rebellion of the speed on the open road that does it ... now an old rebel biker ... with short hair and a straight job ... I've only got two forms of rebellion left - smoking and speed ... and yeah .. but something's got to kill ya ...

[BoristheBiter]

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Im not suggesting there be no laws ... I am simply saying that some people obey them because they are the laws ... that's a brainwashed viewpoint ... Of course there needs to be laws .. there are other reasons to obey them than just because the Authority Figures say we should ... and we should each find our own reasons for obeying the laws ... if that's what we do.

So who chooses what laws should or shouldn't be obeyed??
I think you have just shot down your own argument here.


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I was never a member of a patched club - or ever convicted of any criminal offence .. just got tarred with that brush because I rode in black leathers, cut-off denims over the top and had long hair ... just a rebel biker... It wasn't that hard to understand was it

Sorry just being ironic but i guess you missed that bit.

[Banditbandit]

The retarded viewpoint that motorcycles are provided for the express means of disregarding society's expectation of how we should interact on public roads is precisely what will see the end of motorcycling.

That's crap ... Hollister did not see the end of motorcycling ... and peope have been complaining about bikes on the road since they were invented ... Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Edward Lawrence was killed on the road , racing a Brough Superior against an airplane ... plenty of history of motorcycles and speed on the roads ...

If they legilsiate bikes off the rod because of speed, then they will turn their attention to cars .. because plenty of them speed as well ...

[Banditbandit]

Because we still have some freedoms left. Like it or not, with freedom comes responsibility.

But be careful - the Ozzie Govt nearly outlawed V8's after the GTHO. What's to stop the NZ Govt outlawing any bikes with more than 80HP ?

Hmm ... my 80hp bike goes past 200 klicks ...

[Banditbandit]

So who chooses what laws should or shouldn't be obeyed??
I think you have just shot down your own argument here.



Sorry just being ironic but i guess you missed that bit.

Freedom means we make our own choices. But along with freedom goes total responsibility. I'm responsible for my own actions - with all the consequences. We make out choices based on our own ethics ... at least those of us who are aware do .. the rest just follow like sheep . or Katman

Sod it ... this was a thread about cops beating up on bikers .. not the place for anarchist theory - it's a sunny day ... get out there and twist the throttle - damm ... that's right ... I'm taking the consequences of my actions and have no licence ... not worth the risk of riding without it ...

Irony's hard to do in writing ...

[BoristheBiter]

Freedom means we make our own choices. But along with freedom goes total responsibility. I'm responsible for my own actions - with all the consequences. We make out choices based on our own ethics ... at least those of us who are aware do .. the rest just follow like sheep . or Katman

Sod it ... this was a thread about cops beating up on bikers .. not the place for anarchist theory - it's a sunny day ... get out there and twist the throttle - damm ... that's right ... I'm taking the consequences of my actions and have no licence ... not worth the risk of riding without it ...

Irony's hard to do in writing ...

Ok so you say, (in your opinion), that you have the freedom to ride how and when you like and will take the consequences when you get pinged for said deeds. very few on here would admit to that.
I have nothing against resaoning that as I, like a lot here, speed and when i get a ticket i just pay it and move on.

Now if you take that and put it against this thread (cops beating bikers) then, (in their opinion), they had the freedom to beat the biker for how ever long they felt like and take the consequences when they got caught.

So yes i guess your right.

[Banditbandit]

Ok so you say, (in your opinion), that you have the freedom to ride how and when you like and will take the consequences when you get pinged for said deeds. very few on here would admit to that.
I have nothing against resaoning that as I, like a lot here, speed and when i get a ticket i just pay it and move on.

Now if you take that and put it against this thread (cops beating bikers) then, (in their opinion), they had the freedom to beat the biker for how ever long they felt like and take the consequences when they got caught.

So yes i guess your right.

Yes. I'll give the cops the freedom to beat me - so long as I can beat them back and not get arrested for it ... otherwise it's double force on their side .. their own and the state's .. if they want to use their own force on me, then I can use it back on them ...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

Waves to Katman.

[BoristheBiter]

Yes. I'll give the cops the freedom to beat me - so long as I can beat them back and not get arrested for it ... otherwise it's double force on their side .. their own and the state's .. if they want to use their own force on me, then I can use it back on them ...

See thats where your argument falls down. see first you talk of freedom of choice, then consquences of that freedom but now you say you should be above the law.

If the cops get busted for beating someone why should you not get the same for beating a cop?
Or are you saying that the cop shouldn't be arrested either?

[Katman]

Waves to Katman.

:finger:<hgvhgvhjv>

[BoristheBiter]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

Waves to Katman.

Thats a very loud troll you have there.

[Banditbandit]

See thats where your argument falls down. see first you talk of freedom of choice, then consquences of that freedom but now you say you should be above the law.

If the cops get busted for beating someone why should you not get the same for beating a cop?
Or are you saying that the cop shouldn't be arrested either?

Awww crap !!!!! Your argument is the one that's flawed .... If I am doing something which the law consdiers to be wrong and I get caught, then the law-abiding policeman can arrest me and I will take the consequences ...

If I am doing something the law considers wrong and the policeman decides to beat me (puts him outside the law) instead of arresting me, then I can beat him back .. let the best man win ... as long as he doesn't whinge and arrest me if I get the better of him

You clearly do not follow what I am saying ...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Thats a very loud troll you have there.

Not really. I just think it's important that we all understand where he is coming from so his opinion can be appropriately weighted against those of wise men.:)

It's not his fault. He is only doing what he believes he is supposed to

[flyingcrocodile46]

Awww crap !!!!! Your argument is the one that's flawed .... If I am doing something which the law consdiers to be wrong and I get caught, then the law-abiding policeman can arrest me and I will take the consequences ...

If I am doing something the law considers wrong and the policeman decides to beat me (puts him outside the law) instead of arresting me, then I can beat him back .. let the best man win ... as long as he doesn't whinge and arrest me if I get the better of him

You clearly do not follow what I am saying ...

I think he is just pretending not to.

[Banditbandit]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.



This is Dylan .. from It's alright Ma (I'm only bleeding) ... and guess what - it's on the soundtrack of Easy Rider

Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.

For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despite their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in.

As well as ...

An' though the rules of the road have been lodged
It's only people's games that you got to dodge
And it's alright, Ma, I can make it.


Yeah .. right on Uncle Bob ... says it all doesn't it ...

[Banditbandit]

I think he is just pretending not to.

Yeah .. he's doing a good job .. but as Vonnegut said, we are all what we pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be ...

[BoristheBiter]

Awww crap !!!!! Your argument is the one that's flawed .... If I am doing something which the law consdiers to be wrong and I get caught, then the law-abiding policeman can arrest me and I will take the consequences ...

If I am doing something the law considers wrong and the policeman decides to beat me (puts him outside the law) instead of arresting me, then I can beat him back .. let the best man win ... as long as he doesn't whinge and arrest me if I get the better of him

You clearly do not follow what I am saying ...


No didn't sorry, carry on.

As long as eveyone goes by this then there is no problem.
Like these cops have been done for beating this person (matters not that it was a biker).

[BoristheBiter]

Rules and laws are made for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

Waves to Katman.

Shouldn't it be "Rules and laws are made by fools for the guidance of wise men" ?

[scumdog]

Ok if you are cops and also BIKERS stop fucking whinging like little bitches about some 'other' bikers on here riding bit fast....if you have serious conflict of "interest" because of your job dont come here to tell us how to fucking ride just because you have obligation to your profession!

And the rest of you fuckers that arent even real cops but just cops ass kissers..you have no fucking right to even talk about someone elses riding.

Wa-wa-wa...good old dependable miloking!!!:rolleyes::laugh::rofl:

[scumdog]

By the way #2:why dont you all fucking pigs and "law & order" lovers get off this site...this place is called KIWIBIKER and its made for bikers not for some snitching snakes working for the man trying to tell me how i should or shouldnt live my life!


Been away this weekend pissin'-up, shaggin' and just back home after a 500Km ride on my Suzuki (I suppose that gives me the justification to call myself a biker so I can be on KIWIBIKER?) and find THIS keyboard diarrohea...good old miloking in fool song!:clap:

[Kickaha]

Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Edward Lawrence was killed on the road , racing a Brough Superior against an airplane ... .

You need to do a bit more research

[miloking]

Been away this weekend pissin'-up, shaggin' and just back home after a 500Km ride on my Suzuki (I suppose that gives me the justification to call myself a biker so I can be on KIWIBIKER?) and find THIS keyboard diarrohea...good old miloking in fool song!:clap:

Of course you can be on kiwibiker..because you just troll and take piss out of people and thats all cool...but at least you are not mr."moral high horse" telling me how i should or shouldnt ride...because that is nobodys fucking business...

ehm...so what do you actualy "shag" when you are just riding alone around south island country side....huh? :D (expecting complaints about menace "suzuki" rider from farming community any day now)

[marty]

Of course you can be on kiwibiker..because you just troll and take piss out of people and thats all cool...but at least you are not mr."moral high horse" telling me how i should or shouldnt ride...because that is nobodys fucking business...

ehm...so what do you actualy "shag" when you are just riding alone around south island country side....huh? :D (expecting complaints about menace "suzuki" rider from farming community any day now)

there's plenty of us who have never told you how to ride, but still happily call you a fuckwit.

[miloking]

there's plenty of us who have never told you how to ride, but still happily call you a fuckwit.

You are entitled to your opinion, but since you are an ex-cop it doesnt realy count for shit...

[Banditbandit]

You need to do a bit more research

T.E. Lawrence was certainly killed riding a Brough Superior SS100 ... racing the airplane is a bit of mythology ... but we all sling the bullshit now and then ...

[yzfr125_boy]

Up until the Hornet I had ridden supersport bikes and sport bikes since I started riding and only once have I been pulled up for a "routine check" - it was on my GPX250 back in the hay-day and he checked my licence, moved me on and wished me a good night.

Since then the popo have been moving over for me while I lanesplit to work in the morning, giving me waves if they're on a bike and just generally all-round helpful. All this in Auckland no less.

Just throwing my thoughts and opinions out there, as the original poster has - just for a bit of balance.


There is one cop in auckland that seems to have it in for me he is of the asian variety (not that it makes a difference but being in Aucks it just proves their invading and taking our jobs) and everytime he sees me he pulls me over. Whats with that!? he's also never fined me because he has never had a reason too.
I ride a 2009 yzfr125 aswel so not like its a dodgy looking bike..

I'm going with the theory that ther is ALWAYS a rougue cop or two in each city, just gotta smile and agree otherwise they'll nail you for looking at them...

[onearmedbandit]

Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists? I didn't even know there was a race on. Damn.

[Banditbandit]

Why are cops beating speeding motorcyclists? I didn't even know there was a race on. Damn.

Neither did I .... the second-to-last to stop me, in April, said he was pleased to see the bike was loaded (week's worth of gear) 'cause there was less chance I would try to out run him .. didn't know he was there until he was right behind me ... if I'd known I might have been tempted to race him

[avgas]

There is one cop in auckland that seems to have it in for me.....
I ride a 2009 yzfr125 aswel so not like its a dodgy looking bike.....
You can blame your R1/R6 counterparts for that. Sadly even though you have a completely different engine your bike looks exactly like all those bikes that have done runners from the cops.
You are assuming the cops will be able to tell the difference.

[PrincessBandit]

This thread is so entertaining, I just can't keep away from it.

Keep up the hilarious posts.....

[miloking]

You can blame your R1/R6 counterparts for that. Sadly even though you have a completely different engine your bike looks exactly like all those bikes that have done runners from the cops.
You are assuming the cops will be able to tell the difference.

Are you trying to tell me that cops are sooo stupid they cant tell R1, R6 and R125 apart (no disrespect to R125 owners i think they are the nicest learner bike out there)...but the difference is fucking obvious.
And since i think i have just answered my own question...even if they cant tell them apart are you trying to tell me that most cops are such a vindictive cunts that they will pull over even learner biker for random "probing" just because some other biker might have done a runner from them....

[onearmedbandit]

Are you trying to tell me that cops are sooo stupid they cant tell R1, R6 and R125 apart (no disrespect to R125 owners i think they are the nicest learner bike out there)...but the difference is fucking obvious.
And since i think i have just answered my own question...even if they cant tell them apart are you trying to tell me that most cops are such a vindictive cunts that they will pull over even learner biker for random "probing" just because some other biker might have done a runner from them....

I could almost guarantee it has happened before. Remember to a lot of non-motorcyclists a GSXR1000 looks the same as a CBR600 looks the same as R125. Like to a lot of sportsbike riders all cruisers look the same. And you don't think that a cop who see's a blue and white bike weaving through traffic and lifting the front isn't going to look closer at the next blue and white sportsbike he see's rolling past?

[R-Soul]

Like to a lot of sportsbike riders all cruisers look the same.
Aren't they?

[Taz]

Aren't they?

Yes they are. And no sportsbike is better than any other, they all suck on gravel.

[Banditbandit]

Yes they are. And no sportsbike is better than any other, they all suck on gravel.

So ??? We don't want to ride on gravel ...

[R-Soul]

So ??? We don't want to ride on gravel ...

what is this word "gravel"?

[caseye]

what is this word "gravel"?

Ah don't worry it's just ol Anthrax showing off, he has one of "those" bikes and it can go almost anywhere.last time i rode with him he took us down a perfectly good sealed road only to find that all of the bottom of the gulleys were 6" deep in metal! Funny thing no one fell off in the metal but after it, te he he.
Thursday night ride soon there Anthrax?

[pritch]

T.E. Lawrence was certainly killed riding a Brough Superior SS100 ... racing the airplane is a bit of mythology ... but we all sling the bullshit now and then ...

Not necessarily. Lawrence was killed on his bike it's true, and that he raced an aeroplane is also true. It's just that the two weren't connected.

Kikaha was right. I've posted this previously, but to assist you with your research here it is again...

http://www.telawrence.net/telawrencenet/works/the_mint_exp/mint_3_16.htm

It's a good read.

[Patrick]

never said its ALWAYS someone elses fault...but its our lives and we are allowed to treat them as we see appropriate....dont need police and their nanny attittude trying to protect my "well being"

but ..

Yeah probably lots of bikers kill themselves...thats the way it is and always will be. Lots of base jumpers kill themselves to...and nobody is crying about it, dangerous activity is..just dangerous thats all.

Never said YOU said it is always someone elses fault. It aint all about you......

As for protecting your wellbeing - when you smear yourself all over the highway, instead of picking up the pieces, can we just hose you off down the gutter? Mum and dad, your friends brother/sister whatever won't mind, will they? Do we have to go and tell them as well? Or can we just keep it a secret from them?

And base jumpers.....? Yer what? How many in NZ..... ever.....? (in comparison to bikers, that is.....)

You miss the point a lot, dontcha..........?


Ok if you are cops and also BIKERS stop fucking whinging like little bitches about some 'other' bikers on here riding bit fast....if you have serious conflict of "interest" because of your job dont come here to tell us how to fucking ride just because you have obligation to your profession!

Nah.... the only whingers are the ones getting the tickets. Have never whinged about anyone speeding. Some examples might help...?