Exceeding 104 km/h - Who got a ticket this weekend?

[crazyhorse]

We rode yesterday, covered 160 km - and never once spotted a police car. Didn't stick to the so called 104 km/h speed limit either


Has anyone been caught this weekend for going over 104 km/h?

[one fast tl1ooo]

not me :) :)

[carver]

We rode yesterday, covered 160 km - and never once spotted a police car. Didn't stick to the so called 104 km/h speed limit either


Has anyone been caught this weekend for going over 104 km/h?

thats why you keep the pace up and dont stop anyway!

[bones135]

Rode up to Whiti yesterday & only saw 2 or 3 cops, back home this morning & saw one. I think they dont like getting their ticket books wet. Now im home the bloody rain stops.......ferking typical,lol

[Madmax]

They would be struggling to get our plates numbers at 270km :whistle: so don't think we'd button off either

works for me

[Swoop]

Have to laugh at the morons claiming their campaign is working.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10650061

The simple fact that the weather is crap and NOT their bullshit propaganda, seems to be their lame excuse to attempt to have this as a permanent thing.:rofl:

[bones135]

Have to laugh at the morons claiming their campaign is working.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10650061

The simple fact that the weather is crap and NOT their bullshit propaganda, seems to be their lame excuse to attempt to have this as a permanent thing.:rofl:
Exactly...not even the bloody cops wanted to go out in it, let alone anyone else. The roads were the quietest ive ever seen on a long weekend & thats not because their campaigns working either.

[scumdog]

Have to laugh at the morons claiming their campaign is working.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10650061

The simple fact that the weather is crap and NOT their bullshit propaganda, seems to be their lame excuse to attempt to have this as a permanent thing.:rofl:

Wotchoo talkin' 'bout Willis, the weather ain't crap HERE!

[grusomhat]

Wotchoo talkin' 'bout Willis, the weather ain't crap HERE!

It's crap in Christchurch, yesterday was good though.

EDIT: And looking at metservice, I'd hardly call that fine weather.

[crazyhorse]

Exactly...not even the bloody cops wanted to go out in it, let alone anyone else. The roads were the quietest ive ever seen on a long weekend & thats not because their campaigns working either.

I heard along the grapevine from an extremely reliable source, that no cops in Hb wanted to work the extra shifts for this wonderful campaign of there's - could be another reason we never saw any on our travels yesterday. Wondered if it may have been a scare tactic of theirs, will never know though.

[crazyhorse]

It's crap in Christchurch, yesterday was good though.

EDIT: And looking at metservice, I'd hardly call that fine weather.

Not very nice here today either Grumsomhat :cold:

[bones135]

I heard along the grapevine from an extremely reliable source, that no cops in Hb wanted to work the extra shifts for this wonderful campaign of there's - could be another reason we never saw any on our travels yesterday. Wondered if it may have been a scare tactic of theirs, will never know though.
No i doubt we ever will, crap weather here too, flat out trying to dry all my gear, did not know how much water could come through the stitching of leather trou,lol

[MSTRS]

They would be struggling to get our plates numbers at 270km :whistle: so don't think we'd button off either

No point in trying at that speed. There's more than one way to stop someone doing that...it's just a matter of time (and circumstance).

[crazyhorse]

No i doubt we ever will, crap weather here too, flat out trying to dry all my gear, did not know how much water could come through the stitching of leather trou,lol

yeah, and its always in the crotch too :laugh:

[kiwifruit]

They would be struggling to get our plates numbers at 270km :whistle: so don't think we'd button off either

From a distance of 270km i think you'd be pretty much out of sight. The curvature of the earth would be working in your favour too.

[kevfromcoro]

Wel i didnt get one.......

Dont think my cage will do 54ks.......

Unless it was downhill,, and a tailwind..

[bones135]

yeah, and its always in the crotch too :laugh:
Haha yea your the second one thats said that......man it gets cold & uncomfortable too.

[fliplid]

These guys wont be getting a speeding ticket! http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3782485/Motorcyclists-rescued-from-Central-Otago-snow

[crazyhorse]

These guys wont be getting a speeding ticket! http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3782485/Motorcyclists-rescued-from-Central-Otago-snow

Hmmmm! getting through locked gates and past warning signs.... hmmmm. Shame they'll miss the rally

[FJRider]

Even in Brass Monkey territory ... thousands of Bikers about, I didn't see one cop in "traffic police" mode ...

[munterk6]

These guys wont be getting a speeding ticket! http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3782485/Motorcyclists-rescued-from-Central-Otago-snow

Boy those guys were lucky!! I tried to go over Danseys few years ago on the way to the Brass on a GSXR1000, and it was hailing so bad on the way up the hill, we had to turn back and walk the bikes down...it was so f@#kin slippery! Walking 7 hours in thick snow IN THE DARK would be scary as hell and a real wake up call too.

[Cayman911]

Lets just say i know someone who got chased by 2 cops at 200km/h for quite a bit. yes they stopped him and impounded the bike.
well they didnt really stop him, he nearly crashed and came to a halt is all....

[EJK]

I am doing 108,000 km/h by standing still.

[scumdog]

Lets just say i know someone who got chased by 2 cops at 200km/h for quite a bit. yes they stopped him and impounded the bike.
well they didnt really stop him, he nearly crashed and came to a halt is all....

THAT is not the way it is meant to happen according those certain ones 'who know' on KB - he was meant to have vanished over the curvature of the earth cackling maniacly at shaking off yet another pursuit....and 200kph? - goodness me, did they think the cops would be driving with their handbrakes on??

[bones135]

I still cant see how they can claim it as a success, do they think we are idiots or do they have control over the weather as well......thats what stopped most people from travelling, my opinion anyway,lol

[scumdog]

I still cant see how they can claim it as a success, do they think we are idiots or do they have control over the weather as well......thats what stopped most people from travelling, my opinion anyway,lol

But what about the times the bad weather gets blamed for the number of crashes?

Or does that not count?:msn-wink:

[bones135]

But what about the times the bad weather gets blamed for the number of crashes?

Or does that not count?:msn-wink:
Of course that counts but were they due solely on the weather or other factors such as travelling over 104 kph.......alcohol....or just plain crazy driving:blink:

[BoristheBiter]

Bur really, what are the chances of gettting a ticket anyway. for the amount of roads and the small amount of traffic units the chances of seeing a traffiic unit is very slim.
I have had my licence for over 25 years and have only been stopped 5 times (all resulting in a ticket) so really what is the real chance??

[bogan]

Bur really, what are the chances of gettting a ticket anyway. for the amount of roads and the small amount of traffic units the chances of seeing a traffiic unit is very slim.
I have had my licence for over 25 years and have only been stopped 5 times (all resulting in a ticket) so really what is the real chance??

not if there's a dark blue camera van on the side of the road at the end of a straight covered in fog ;) that one must have got a few :yes:

[BoristheBiter]

not if there's a dark blue camera van on the side of the road at the end of a straight covered in fog ;) that one must have got a few :yes:

can't get a lock in fog.

[bogan]

can't get a lock in fog.

you sure about that? surely the cops wouldn't put it in a place where they can't get a lock

[BoristheBiter]

you sure about that? surely the cops wouldn't put it in a place where they can't get a lock

I don't think it is cops that do the van cam's now.
it also might not have been foggy when he parked up.

[scumdog]

I don't think it is cops that do the van cam's now.
it also might not have been foggy when he parked up.

And yes, you can get a reading in fog - very easily in the 50kph areas.

[Muppet]

you sure about that? surely the cops wouldn't put it in a place where they can't get a lock

You can get a lock but you have to be able to see the target vehicle, hear the tone from the radar and have a ground speed reading, apparently.....:msn-wink:

[bogan]

And yes, you can get a reading in fog - very easily in the 50kph areas.

this was in 100kphr area, first straight after the gorge, northbound. Spose it depend on fog density too, I was figuring as soon as you could see the van well enough, the camera and sensors could see you well enough as well.

[Cayman911]

THAT is not the way it is meant to happen according those certain ones 'who know' on KB - he was meant to have vanished over the curvature of the earth cackling maniacly at shaking off yet another pursuit....and 200kph? - goodness me, did they think the cops would be driving with their handbrakes on??

was a 250cc lol. so pretty much maxed

[Mom]

Bur really, what are the chances of gettting a ticket anyway. for the amount of roads and the small amount of traffic units the chances of seeing a traffiic unit is very slim.
I have had my licence for over 25 years and have only been stopped 5 times (all resulting in a ticket) so really what is the real chance??

We have just returned from Ruakaka, saw 5 police cars cruising for business and one speed camera van, all in the space of a 45 min journey.

[Sentox]

We have just returned from Ruakaka, saw 5 police cars cruising for business and one speed camera van, all in the space of a 45 min journey.

Interesting. In well over six hours of travel (mostly on state highways), I saw two cop cars (and only one was highway patrol).

[Mom]

Interesting. In well over six hours of travel (mostly on state highways), I saw two cop cars (and only one was highway patrol).

They have just dropped the speed limit through a part of the trip to 80kph. An obvious place to patrol and catch people out, I think the signs went up on Thursday, saw 2 cops in that area alone :D

[AD345]

They have just dropped the speed limit through a part of the trip to 80kph.

Oh crap - whereabouts?

I may never visit me poor old mum now

[Mom]

Oh crap - whereabouts?

I may never visit me poor old mum now

Heading north, from the foot of the Brynderwns at the concrete place to halfway down the hill on the other side. Bastards!

[AD345]

Heading north, from the foot of the Brynderwns at the concrete place to halfway down the hill on the other side. Bastards!

Wot - right from the start of the last passing lane before the other side?!!

Pricks!

[ukusa]

We rode yesterday, covered 160 km - and never once spotted a police car. Didn't stick to the so called 104 km/h speed limit either


Has anyone been caught this weekend for going over 104 km/h?

Drove to the West Coast (Greymouth) on Friday afternoon in the car. Wife was doing 115 when we rounded a bend. Cop was parked, but didn't bidge. He must have been asleep!

[Quasievil]

I Did a fair bit of driving this weekend and saw loads of cops, BRILLIANT.
Keep the weekend part time wanna be drivers under control, looks like it worked (touches wood) as only one fatality thus far!

Personally I set the cruise control to 95kmph and arrived at my destination prolly 5 mins later than usual .............big deal, I cant see what the fuss is about, keep your speed under the 100 kmph limit if you dont want a ticket, if you dont care and drive over the limit, get a ticket !! thats what my thinking is.

[wingnutt]

three of us went for a ride saturday HB to Mangweka great day for it couldn't be better traffic was really llight, right through, went past two cops
at 108kph, and 112kph, and they didnt stop me, was great to see them, at last use a bit of common sense, they could see no harm was being done to
anyone, conditions where Ideal. well done to those two blokes.

the less acciidents had nothing to do with their crazy ideas, there just wan't the traffic.

[Ixion]

I Did a fair bit of driving this weekend and saw loads of cops, BRILLIANT.
Keep the weekend part time wanna be drivers under control, looks like it worked (touches wood) as only one fatality thus far!

Personally I set the cruise control to 95kmph and arrived at my destination prolly 5 mins later than usual .............big deal, I cant see what the fuss is about, keep your speed under the 100 kmph limit if you dont want a ticket, if you dont care and drive over the limit, get a ticket !! thats what my thinking is.

A lot of cagers think that way. I presume you complied with the standard customs and tool care to speed up on passing lanes to ensure you were not overtaken

[cowboyz]

I want to know how many tickets were issued over the weekend comparatively....
doesnt it stand to reason that if the issued more tickets than usual (because of the new tolerance) then the decreased road toll is not becuase of a reduction in speed? (because obvioulsy ppl didnt slo down if they are being ticketed)

if there is less tickets than normal issued then it shows that this idea of lowering the speed of vehicles on the road does save lives.

Its hard to argue against what has happened.

[Gareth51]

I was a good boy ,I only went over 200k once

[Love my Bonnie]

I rode about 400ks this weekend, was on my bike everyday, saw no coppers
Brilliant!!

[Quasievil]

A lot of cagers think that way. I presume you complied with the standard customs and tool care to speed up on passing lanes to ensure you were not overtaken

Actually alot of "road users" think that way, me being one of them.

You presume to much.

When I speed (and I do on the bike) I risk a ticket, my risk= my penalty, I am in control of that not the cop

[2 wheel madness]

how do ya get to 104 when all the road works signs say 30 or 50???

[jellywrestler]

at 108kph, and 112kph, and they didnt stop me.

.
your speedo might say that but how correct is it? I see a lot of those digital display machines on teh roads in 50kmh areas telling what speed your doing (presume they're more accurate than the speedo) but only once have i seen one on the open road. why dont they put them on the open road so we can see where our speedos are at????

[EJK]

Didn't get pulled over but got a photo taken tonight.


:(

[rastuscat]

Bur really, what are the chances of gettting a ticket anyway. for the amount of roads and the small amount of traffic units the chances of seeing a traffiic unit is very slim.

Okay, so why is there so much carping on KB about the police who never do anything but write tickets?

[rastuscat]

Its hard to argue against what has happened.

Do you really think the facts will stop DB and co from hammering us yet again?

Yeah right.

[Pixie]

Yay The Cops.
Take credit that some unrelated bullshit worked when the toll is low,it's some other reason when it's high.
Ensure none of the funding is diverted to something that will actually works like driver training.
Pave the way for a lower speed limit so that diminishing revenues from tickets will once again rise.

The weekend's toll had nothing to do with the fact that there was fuck all traffic on thre roads did it?

[MSTRS]

...(presume they're more accurate than the speedo)....

Do that at your peril. They're not.




Its hard to argue against what has happened.

Can't argue that the toll was so low because of a simple 5kph reduction in tolerance. Too simplistic. Too many other factors at work.

[Quasievil]

The weekend's toll had nothing to do with the fact that there was fuck all traffic on thre roads did it?

Maybe the case in Bugtussle but the roads where I traveled where very busy.
Are there even roads in bugtussle?

[javawocky]

Had a great weekend watching my lovely speedo in the cage and on the Scarlett.

Cop 1# - flashing lights pulling some poor fella over in a 50 zone
CopChick 2# - Pointing her camera at me on the southern motorway. Fun part is she was parked half on the grass bit of the onramp with the nose of the car sticking right across the Emergency lane! (Sorry, no photo, but it did happen, honest!)

While putting along I did have some thoughts. If my going 5km slower saved even one life, it would be worth the hassle. And yes the toll is very low and the cops are singing from their tree branches and we are very likely to see this 'Zero Tolerance' (even though its not 0 its 5km - but I degrees) scheme implemented. Sad thing is, when next year pops around and the law of averages bumps the road toll up to 'normal' levels then they will have some other target in mind. Slippery slope I tell ya!

Still comes down to speed, get a ticket, don't speed don't.

[BoristheBiter]

Okay, so why is there so much carping on KB about the police who never do anything but write tickets?

Because they are morons and facts should never get in the way of a good trolling thread.

[bogan]

Okay, so why is there so much carping on KB about the police who never do anything but write tickets?

cos the chance of cops writing you a ticket is still higher than the chance of them getting your TV back from those thieving fuckers? :dodge:

[ukusa]

Personally I set the cruise control to 95kmph and arrived at my destination prolly 5 mins later than usual .............big deal, I cant see what the fuss is about, keep your speed under the 100 kmph limit if you dont want a ticket, if you dont care and drive over the limit, get a ticket !! thats what my thinking is.

Why don't you do 100kph? You'll get there 5 minutes sooner AND you won't cause people who get pissed of at you to crash whilst they're over taking you. Why have a 100kph limit if people won't even do it? Do you also do 45 around town?

[cowboyz]

Do that at your peril. They're not.



Can't argue that the toll was so low because of a simple 5kph reduction in tolerance. Too simplistic. Too many other factors at work.

but the only way to tell is to see how many ppl got booked for speeding at 104km/hr isnt it? If people were being booked at 104km/hr then it shows ppl didnt slow down and the road toll decreased. Its simple really....

of course.. could one argue the butterfly effect?

Having a clamp down on speed prevented accidents because people are so scared of getting a ticket that they were paying more attentioin to what is around them to make sure it wasnt a cop? Maybe people were more attentive to their driving and paying more attention? Maybe people can not actually handle a vechile at 104km/hr and 100km/hr is infact, a safe speed.

[avgas]

Didn't you guys see all the rain and snow.
Stopped the old people driving it did. So glad to have the road toll down.

[onearmedbandit]

cos the chance of cops writing you a ticket is still higher than the chance of them getting your TV back from those thieving fuckers? :dodge:

Maybe we could all take a lesson from burglars here lol. They know the highest chance of getting caught is transporting your stolen propty, so they probably stick to the speed limit and can burglarise all night long.

[MSTRS]

but the only way to tell is to see how many ppl got booked for speeding at 104km/hr isnt it? If people were being booked at 104km/hr then it shows ppl didnt slow down and the road toll decreased. Its simple really....


And like SD said...maybe a whole lot of people were allowed to travel unmolested because (most of) the troops on the ground knew this ploy to be bullshit and refused to dole out tickets?
We will never really know why this w/e was almost death-free.
Just as we'll never really know why it could have been the worst ever.

[Quasievil]

Dont you read the news?
I did it on the long weekend to account for the 10% tolerance reduction for an enforceable offence and to also account for the variation amongst car makers.

No one was getting pissed as everyone was doing the same, well mostly.
Besides if some fucker cant handle sitting behind me at 95kmph then thats there problem, I dont give a rats arse

[BoristheBiter]

Dont you read the news?
I did it on the long weekend to account for the 10% tolerance reduction for an enforceable offence and to also account for the variation amongst car makers.

No one was getting pissed as everyone was doing the same, well mostly.
Besides if some fucker cant handle sitting behind me at 95kmph then thats there problem, I dont give a rats arse

And in that statment is what is wrong with our roads, as per everything else in this country, its "I'm all right jack, fuck everyone else."
What if you come up to someone that's doing 90 or 89? I bet you would want them to pull over and let you passed.

[cowboyz]

why not do 80 instead?

[yachtie10]

And in that statment is what is wrong with our roads, as per everything else in this country, its "I'm all right jack, fuck everyone else."
What if you come up to someone that's doing 90 or 89? I bet you would want them to pull over and let you passed.

I agree
same with the arseholes that use the right lane and block traffic when they could move over and let it pass

[Ixion]

It's what cagers do. Just the cage mentality.

[Quasievil]

And in that statment is what is wrong with our roads, as per everything else in this country, its "I'm all right jack, fuck everyone else."
What if you come up to someone that's doing 90 or 89? I bet you would want them to pull over and let you passed.

Oh for fuck sake get a grip!!

Its the Arseholes who think they have the right to go over the speed limit and the arrogant mentality around THAT which is the problem.

95 kmph on the last weekend given THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE WEEKEND AND THE ENFORCEMENT POLICEY OF THIS WEEKEND IM REFERRING TO

read !!

[Pixie]

Maybe the case in Bugtussle but the roads where I traveled where very busy.
Are there even roads in bugtussle?

We's always done used the rivers in Bugtussle.A Bugtussle boy learns to paddle a canoe and play the banjo at the same time before he be 3 year old.

[Pixie]

Besides if some fucker cant handle sitting behind me at 95kmph then thats there problem, I dont give a rats arse
No arrogance to see here folks.Move along move along

[slofox]

same with the arseholes that use the right lane and block traffic when they could move over and let it pass

Came up behind one such on the way over to Rotovegas on Saturday...Asian touristas by the look. Travelling at 80km/hr with a huge tail of following traffic. Hit the passing lane. They stayed in the right hand lane. Until I flashed the lights and sat on the Stebel button...then they moved left and we all tootled past...at 103km/hr of course I swear!...:innocent:

[scumdog]

why not do 80 instead?

WELL ...It was the speed limit once a few years ago..when I was a boy.

[Hiflyer]

WELL ...It was the speed limit once a few years ago..when I was a boy.

Why was it increased? (Not a pisstake or anything, just wondering why)

[slofox]

Why was it increased? (Not a pisstake or anything, just wondering why)

It was too slow...:whistle:

[scumdog]

Why was it increased? (Not a pisstake or anything, just wondering why)

Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch:

[Hiflyer]

It was too slow...:whistle:

Haha probably,

I doubt they'll have a secpndary "Gixxer Limit" though


Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch:

Can't please everyone I guess.

[Quasievil]

No arrogance to see here folks.Move along move along

Bwaaaahhhh, shut down !

you know what I mean...............dont ya?

[Maha]

Our Caravan does 'Fuckall KPH' so we were ok.

[SPman]

Heading north, from the foot of the Brynderwns at the concrete place to halfway down the hill on the other side. Bastards!Bastards, indeed - the only part of the trip to Whangarei that's worthwhile......

[ukusa]

Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch:

from memory (fading) it was 60 mph until the fuel crisis in early 70s. It was then dropped to 50 mph, which changed to 80 km/h when metrics came in. Went back up to 100 km/h when powers that be decided it was taking too long to get anywhere. Road congestion probably had a part to play, as it the extra 20 km/h would drop travel times considerably meaning less cars on road.

[Ixion]

Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch:

The history of speed limits :

In 1936 there was no open road speed limit. City speed limits were either 12mph or 30 mph. No specific speed limit for learners. (based on my fathers old 1936 Road Code)

A 50 mph open road speed limit was introduced in the 50s . Probably the 1948 Roads Act. (my 1957 Road Code gives this as the open road limit). And 30 mph open road speed for learner drivers.

This was raised to 55 mph (90 kph) in 1962. And , in 1969 raised to 60 mph (100kph roughly).

By 1967 the learner (now provisional) licence holder was allowed 35 mph (60 kph) on the open road. So todays learners on 70 kph aren't really so badly off

In 1973 the open road limit was dropped back to 50 mph (80 kph) , not for safety reasons but because of a petrol crisis.

In 1985 the limit reverted back to 60 mph . Mainly because the petrol crisis was long gone, and measures such as carless days intended to carry us through it had been abandoned. Almost everyone ignored the 50 mph limit, and as it had been specifically introduced as a fuel crisis measure it was hard to justify its retention.

Since then the only movement has been downward. Most roads are now back to 1948 limits. Not making much progress for all the billions of dollars spent on roads, cars and driver restrictions, are we?

[scumdog]

. Most roads are now back to 1948 limits. Not making much progress for all the billions of dollars spent on roads, cars and driver restrictions, are we?

Gotta allow for all those zillions of extra cars now on the road.

Dunno figures but I was told in 1985 that no. plates starting wth TT would not be introduced until 2002.

Just look when they DID come in.

(i think I had it worked out that by 2002 there were equivalent to three years extra worth of cars on NZ roads.)

If you know what I mean.

[SPman]

Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch: It was 80 kph because of the fuel restrictions. Then they raised it to 100kph - 'twas OK, coz most vehicles like Austin 1300's and Cortinas and HQ's and such were happy to tootle along at 100kph. Most cars couldn't do much more than 140-150 anyway! On the open road you normally had to going at a reasonable pace (115-120kph, before the John Hops showed a greater than usual interest
Now, a typical European 1.4litre can cruise happily (in Europe) at 140kph and, apart from hitting a brick wall, in greater safety than say, a 3.8 MkII Jag doing the same speed and top out at 190-200kph.
Unfortunately George, Mabel and Hemi, mentally, haven't progressed much beyond the Austin A40/Bedford truck era when anything over 90-100kph was, literally, taking your life into your hands....... The vehicles have improved immensely, the mindsets behind the wheel, haven't.

[ukusa]

The history of speed limits :

In 1936 there was no open road speed limit. City speed limits were either 12mph or 30 mph. No specific speed limit for learners. (based on my fathers old 1936 Road Code)

A 50 mph open road speed limit was introduced in the 50s . Probably the 1948 Roads Act. (my 1957 Road Code gives this as the open road limit. And 30 mph open road speed for learner drivers.

This was raised to 55 mph (90 kph) in 1962. And , in 1969 raised to 60 mph (100kph roughly).

By 1967 the learner (now provisional) licence holder was allowed 35 mph (60 kph) on the open road. So todays learners on 70 kph aren't really so badly off

In 1973 this was dropped back to 50 mph (80 kph) , not for safety reasons but because of a petrol crisis.

In 1985 the limit reverted back to 60 mph . Mainly because the petrol crisis was long gone, and measures such as carless days intened to carry us through it had been abandoned. Almost everyone ignored the 50 mph limit, and as it had been specifically introduced as a fuel crisis measure it was hard to justify its retention.

Since then the only movement has been downward. Most roads are now back to 1948 limits. Not making much progress for all the billions of dollars spent on roads, cars and driver restrictions, are we?

a wealth of knowlendge Ixion. re the 50 mph drop in 1973, I had a feeling it was then & not when carless days were introduced in '79.
I too am amazed where we currently sit with our roads & limits, considering all the technology in cars today. The main reason that numbers killed on our roads is dropping over the decades is technology (disc brakes, better tyres, ABS, steering, suspension, airbags, intrusion beams, crumple zones, ESP, crash tests, minimum standards etc). It has nothing to with the speed limits themselves. I would feel much safer driving in a modern car doing 120 km/h than I would in a 1971 HQ Holden doing 80 km/h.

[BoristheBiter]

Oh for fuck sake get a grip!!

Its the Arseholes who think they have the right to go over the speed limit and the arrogant mentality around THAT which is the problem.

95 kmph on the last weekend given THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE WEEKEND AND THE ENFORCEMENT POLICEY OF THIS WEEKEND IM REFERRING TO

read !!

No you get a grip, just as you have the right to do 95 others have the right to do 100 which is not speeding, what has this weekend got to do with it?
So why do you have more rights than other road users? Its this arrogant behaviour that makes our roads what they are.
I have no problem with people driving slow or fast, depending on what i am driving dictates how fast i go but people just need commom courtesy while driving.

[Quasievil]

No you get a grip, just as you have the right to do 95 others have the right to do 100 which is not speeding, what has this weekend got to do with it?
So why do you have more rights than other road users? Its this arrogant behaviour that makes our roads what they are.
I have no problem with people driving slow or fast, depending on what i am driving dictates how fast i go but people just need commom courtesy while driving.



What has the weekend got to do with it ?
are you for real..............the weekends tolerance for speed was reduced DOWN, if you drive more than 104 kmph you would get a ticket...........do you understand that?? ok I know this will be hard for you so I will do my best to keep it simple. Cars are not precise in their actual speed versus their Speedo indicated speed, infact there can be up to 10% (even more) variation between vehicles actual speeds........still with me? therefore to keep below the offending 104 kmph hour "your getting nicked" area I travelled at 95 kmph for the weekend.

I could have travelled at 100kmph and potentially gone into the ACTUAL speed of 110kmph and got nicked, I ELECTED NOT TO ! as did many people.

No you got that now??

[Sentox]

I could have travelled at 100kmph and potentially gone into the ACTUAL speed of 110kmph and got nicked, I ELECTED NOT TO ! as did many people.

Fair enough in theory, although speedos are far more often biased on the generous side. Chances are you were doing below 90.

[pete376403]

Drove to the West Coast (Greymouth) on Friday afternoon in the car. Wife was doing 115 when we rounded a bend. Cop was parked, but didn't bidge. He must have been asleep!
Possibly the same cops I was behind for 97 kms from Hokitika. The only times they ever went less than 105 - 110 was through towns (50) or roadworks (30). Many places they were up to 120+, we (several bikes en-route to Brass) just maintained a reasonable distance behind.

Amazingly neither the cops nor us bikers died in horrfic crashes! Could it be there is some other factor - like the one death of the weekend (allegedly) after the driver was on the piss all night

[BoristheBiter]

What has the weekend got to do with it ?
are you for real..............the weekends tolerance for speed was reduced DOWN, if you drive more than 104 kmph you would get a ticket...........do you understand that?? ok I know this will be hard for you so I will do my best to keep it simple. Cars are not precise in their actual speed versus their Speedo indicated speed, infact there can be up to 10% (even more) variation between vehicles actual speeds........still with me? therefore to keep below the offending 104 kmph hour "your getting nicked" area I travelled at 95 kmph for the weekend.

I could have travelled at 100kmph and potentially gone into the ACTUAL speed of 110kmph and got nicked, I ELECTED NOT TO ! as did many people.

No you got that now??

Fair enough.
What i was going on about was the comment about "everyone else can get fucked"
Read what i post and remember what you have and we will all be on the same page.

[pete376403]

Ixion might help here, I cannot remember.

But it was about '85 it eventually reached 100kph - along with dire warnings about how it would be strctly enforced - which people at the time thought 'fair enough, we're allowed to go faster so we don't mind the enforcing'.

Only now it IS being enforced they DO mind....:scratch:

When I got my licence in 1968 the open road speed limit was 55 MPH - with metrication it was rounded up to 100Km/H - (60 MPH). It did get dropped to 80 as part of a fuel saving measure, along with carless days, by Muldoon govt, but that was always meant to be temporary, and was nothing to do with road safety

[BoristheBiter]

What has the weekend got to do with it ?
are you for real..............the weekends tolerance for speed was reduced DOWN, if you drive more than 104 kmph you would get a ticket...........do you understand that?? ok I know this will be hard for you so I will do my best to keep it simple. Cars are not precise in their actual speed versus their Speedo indicated speed, infact there can be up to 10% (even more) variation between vehicles actual speeds........still with me? therefore to keep below the offending 104 kmph hour "your getting nicked" area I travelled at 95 kmph for the weekend.

I could have travelled at 100kmph and potentially gone into the ACTUAL speed of 110kmph and got nicked, I ELECTED NOT TO ! as did many people.

No you got that now??

Sorry it was "Besides if some fucker cant handle sitting behind me at 95kmph then thats there problem, I dont give a rats arse"
I should listen to what i say sometimes.

[Quasievil]

Fair enough in theory, although speedos are far more often biased on the generous side. Chances are you were doing below 90.

Nah not likely as everyone was being very good on the weekend, and I wasn't holding up traffic, as everyone was doing a similar speed

[Quasievil]

Sorry it was "Besides if some fucker cant handle sitting behind me at 95kmph then thats there problem, I dont give a rats arse"
I should listen to what i say sometimes.

Fair enough, I actually dont give a rats arse tho, I dont think the speed differential of 5kmph is a holding up the traffic scenario, and it certainly wasnt on the weekend as I simply didnt impede traffic, if someone wanted to do 120kmph then thats their decision, Im not swerving off the road to satisfy the arrogant prick he can wait for a safe place to pass.

Besides its my road, I own it

[Maha]

No you get a grip


No you got that now??

:girlfight:....................................... .........:love:

[BikerDazz]

When I got my licence in 1968 the open road speed limit was 55 MPH - with metrication it was rounded up to 100Km/H - (60 MPH). It did get dropped to 80 as part of a fuel saving measure, along with carless days, by Muldoon govt, but that was always meant to be temporary, and was nothing to do with road safety

If my memory serves me correctly, and to be fair the mid 80s to mid 90s are a hazy period for me, the open-road speed limit was dropped to 80 km somewhere around '90-'92 for a year or two in an attempt to reduce the speed limit. My recollection is that this was returned to 100km when the govt saw that the reduction in speed did not lead to a reduction in crashes.
Correct me if I'm wrong....

[pete376403]

If my memory serves me correctly, and to be fair the mid 80s to mid 90s are a hazy period for me, the open-road speed limit was dropped to 80 km somewhere around '90-'92 for a year or two in an attempt to reduce the speed limit. My recollection is that this was returned to 100km when the govt saw that the reduction in speed did not lead to a reduction in crashes.
Correct me if I'm wrong....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/fuel-prices/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500966&objectid=10517835

[Ixion]

Two deaths today. Road toll was just running a day late. That's what happens when you stick to speed limits .You end up late for your own funeral .

[oldrider]

It was 80 kph because of the fuel restrictions. Then they raised it to 100kph - 'twas OK, coz most vehicles like Austin 1300's and Cortinas and HQ's and such were happy to tootle along at 100kph. Most cars couldn't do much more than 140-150 anyway! On the open road you normally had to going at a reasonable pace (115-120kph, before the John Hops showed a greater than usual interest
Now, a typical European 1.4litre can cruise happily (in Europe) at 140kph and, apart from hitting a brick wall, in greater safety than say, a 3.8 MkII Jag doing the same speed and top out at 190-200kph.
Unfortunately George, Mabel and Hemi, mentally, haven't progressed much beyond the Austin A40/Bedford truck era when anything over 90-100kph was, literally, taking your life into your hands....... The vehicles have improved immensely, the mindsets behind the wheel, haven't.

True!

The roads themselves here are the only things that have not progressed at the same pace as everything else and as a result traffic becomes congested and drivers become erratic at peak hour pressures!

100 KPH is quite a fast speed and if able to be maintained consistantly without undue restriction, you have to go very fast without breaks or stoppages to make any headway on that, even over a very long distance!

Before I retired, I used to travel between 80 to 90,000Km per year, all over the South Island and found that the faster you tried to travel the higher the toll physically and mentally on arrival.

Anything over five hours driving and I would try to use the air services but they didn't go to many of the places I had to go to, so I would have to drive!

Where ever possible I took my bike instead of my company car, not so much to travel faster but to get there quicker because of the lack of hold ups on the road for a bike.

Every small stop over a long trip for fuel, food and ablutions, costs you dearly so add on bad roads, congested traffic, weather and idiots,time soon fritters away.

The congestion of today is never more noticeable than at the "cheap" road improvement's called "passing lanes"!

IMHO If the police were really concerned about safety they could begin by educating the dumb bastard's who speed up and close up these passing lanes and then revert back to slow speeds and re congesting the normal width road again.

It's getting worse because the ones who do it get away with it and is now just a fuck you Jack free for all and the trucks are just as bad as the cars too!

You have to travel as close to the vehicle in front as you can or some halfwit thinks he has a god given right to claim the gap and push you out of it!

Trying to go slower and let everyone else pass you at every given opportunity because time is not such a factor because you are retired, is as good as trying to commit suicide, the impatience and aggravation multiplies expeditiously the more you try to help them get past!

100 KPH, give or take 10 KPH is a reasonable open speed limit, especially with empowered Cop's with good safety attitudes that keep the traffic moving safely on duty!

Gestapo arseholes with a quota books to fill by pinging otherwise law abiding citizens and pissing them off, does nothing for road safety IMHO.

Then again, maybe I am just out of date too! :mellow:

[Quasievil]

:girlfight:....................................... .........:love:

I keep forgetting this is Kiwibiker and I assume intelligence amongst the membership................my bad.

If only people read what is written instead of what aint.

[Quasievil]

:girlfight:....................................... .........:love:

I keep forgetting this is Kiwibiker and I assume intelligence amongst the membership................my bad.

If only people read what is written instead of what aint.

[Kickaha]

Two deaths today. Road toll was just running a day late. That's what happens when you stick to speed limits .You end up late for your own funeral .

Thats obviously because they shifted back to the 10kph over tolerance

[merv]

If my memory serves me correctly, and to be fair the mid 80s to mid 90s are a hazy period for me, the open-road speed limit was dropped to 80 km somewhere around '90-'92 for a year or two in an attempt to reduce the speed limit. My recollection is that this was returned to 100km when the govt saw that the reduction in speed did not lead to a reduction in crashes.
Correct me if I'm wrong....

Yeah your memory is hazy. Around late 60's early 70's some nice straight roads got 60mph limits while the general open road limit was 55mph. The 60mph roads that I travelled on were a few places on SH2 Hawkes Bay and in the Wairarapa plus SH73 Canterbury Plains. The first oil crisis came at the beginning of '74 in NZ and along with that came the 50mph limit and all those nice "fast" roads lost their 60mph signs. Soon after metrication occurred and the 50mph got converted to 80kph. In 1985 the restriction put on to save fuel was lifted and we got the 100kph limit. It hasn't changed since, so no not in the 90's, but what has happened is more and more roads are being downgraded to 80 or 70 or 60 with us being told they aren't fit for open road limit e.g Paekak Hill Road, SH58 Paremata etc. Along with those reductions has come the immense amount of yellow paint. Yes my friends, the control freaks are winning.

[ac3_snow]

IMHO If the police were really concerned about safety they could begin by educating the dumb bastard's who speed up and close up these passing lanes and then revert back to slow speeds and re congesting the normal width road again.



amen them fuckas are everywhere!!!
Wahoo a passing lane now i can do 120k instead of the the 90 iv done for the last half hour! :bash:

[BoristheBiter]

I keep forgetting this is Kiwibiker and I assume intelligence amongst the membership................my bad.

If only people read what is written instead of what aint.

Don't sweat too much about it. Everyone gets it wrong every now and then.

[Pixie]

Fair enough in theory, although speedos are far more often biased on the generous side. Chances are you were doing below 90.

The best speedo is an undersized one.
You ask the lady members.