Good or bad?

[Gibbo89]

hi all,

looking at getting a jacket that i can wear on my bike but hop off it and for example walk into the mall to pick something up and not feel like i should have left it locked to the bike along with my helmet. (not trying to start a debate on who cares what ppl think of what i'm wearing)

saw on trademe this:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Jackets/auction-294718904.htm

i take it that this seller is asian and possibly went to china and got a whole bunch of this so can sell this stuff cheap. firstly, will it be water proof? and is it decent? the main thing is waterproof, as i dont like getting soaked when im meant to be in a 'waterproof' jacket.

so is it legit?

i want to pay as little as possilble but have it do the job it says it will do.

i mainly just drive within chch but will also go for a drive whenever i can out on the open roads.

i am open to suggestions of what else to look at for similar price. :done:

[hayd3n]

only a over trou is water proof
have you been for a look in www.leatherdirect.co.nz on the main street?
how about boots gloves pants?
helmet?

[Gibbo89]

only a over trou is water proof
have you been for a look in www.leatherdirect.co.nz on the main street?
how about boots gloves pants?
helmet?

i have a helmet, and leather gloves. no boots and some cheap 'pants in a bag' from the warehouse i chuck on over my normal pants if its raining. does the job if it isnt torrential. (usually isnt in chch)

oh and no i have not been to leather direct. i'll definitely head in there at some stage. thanks

[hayd3n]

also id have to recommend www.lincrabikewear.co.nz another great local dealer

[CookMySock]

I wouldn't wear some bike gear around.. it's just too gay especially the suits.. Most of the textile bike gear is fairly standard to look at. Yeah it still looks like bike gear, but its not as bad as a one-piece white leather or a skeleton suit.

Steve

[Hitcher]

"Cordura" is only "waterproof" in comparatively short, moderate, wet weather conditions. Garments of this nature are only "waterproof" if they have a Goretex(TM) or similar membrane liner. Otherwise buy an overjacket and all should be OK. $145 sounds like a surprisingly good price -- if you wear three out in a year, they may be as good a value as a $500 jacket. Let us know how you get on.

[Gibbo89]

I wouldn't wear some bike gear around.. it's just too gay especially the suits.. Most of the textile bike gear is fairly standard to look at. Yeah it still looks like bike gear, but its not as bad as a one-piece white leather or a skeleton suit.

Steve

my thinking exactly...

[rustic101]

I would suggest this may be a cheap Chinese knock off as the grammar and spelling is not very good England..

[Gibbo89]

"Cordura" is only "waterproof" in comparatively short, moderate, wet weather conditions. Garments of this nature are only "waterproof" if they have a Goretex(TM) or similar membrane liner. Otherwise buy an overjacket and all should be OK. $145 sounds like a surprisingly good price -- if you wear three out in a year, they may be as good a value as a $500 jacket. Let us know how you get on.

yeah, i dont believe that bike gear can be fully 100% waterproof. unless you pay an arm and a leg perhaps, which i'm not going to do. My uncle bought it and he is pretty stoked with it. so i think it will be definatly worth looking at. thanks for the input

[Cayman911]

I got a great deal from my local dealer.

$600 top to toe.
helmet, jacket, pants, boots, gloves.
not too expensive considering the helmet was $200 of that.

Get driRider gear. inexpensive and its waterproof. good quality too.
some may argue the water proofness of it. but ive been in full downpours and i havnt gotten even slightly wet.

oh and a comment on the shop thing. its probably me not being trusting. but i dont even leave my helmet locked to the bike for it to be mangled with.
i carry everything where ever i go.

[neels]

I've got some cordura pants, they work ok for a trip to work in the rain but after about an hour of decent rain the water starts to get in. So for getting around town the cordura gear is probably the go.


also id have to recommend www.lincrabikewear.co.nz another great local dealerAs you're in chch it's probably worth a visit, about the same price as on trademe and you get to meet the nice bloke that sells the stuff.

[wysper]

"Cordura" is only "waterproof" in comparatively short, moderate, wet weather conditions. Garments of this nature are only "waterproof" if they have a Goretex(TM) or similar membrane liner. Otherwise buy an overjacket and all should be OK. $145 sounds like a surprisingly good price -- if you wear three out in a year, they may be as good a value as a $500 jacket. Let us know how you get on.

hahahah someone is being careful after reading the when is cordura not cordura threads LOL

(or being funny)......

[Ratti]

also id have to recommend www.lincrabikewear.co.nz another great local dealer

I wouldnt go near this crowd. I have a pair of their trou on my bench that needs repair after being worn for 2 weeks. The seams have given way in crutch and center back, the backing is peeling off the 'waterproof' lining, and the fabric is bag weight cordura, not suitable for riding gear ( IMO )

The person who owns the trou was told 'too bad, it's your problem not mine" when he contacted them seeking replacement or money back.

Personal choice of course, but my opinon is that you would be better served by purchasing from a bike shop where they have a reputation to preserve.

[Grubber]

Seems to be tons of cheap and nasties around.
wouldn't touch them with a 40 foot barge pole.
Go the name brands that are in fact waterproof.
I brought Rev It gear only about 2 months ago and first ride out it was pouring down for 2 hours non stop. My boots got wet but the rest was dry.
This is the second set i have purchased and they are definitely good quality.

[Gibbo89]

thanks for all your input guys. interesting reading for sure, i am in no great rush (going to sit my learners this week or next). so i'll have a shop around etc. don't want to buy a dud. i'll look at the shops (even though it looks like one of them had a quality issue as mentioned above).

and yeah the cordura debate between quasi and 1tonne got a bit :girlfight: ish. haha

[Ratti]

Folk have the right to be protective about their services.
Quasi is correct about the use of the brand name Cordura.
Buyer beware, ask lots of questions, and load up with information. If a retailer can't give you an sensible answer then ask yourself 'why?'

Personal opinion of Aunty Ratti- buy good quality leather, perhaps with a genuine brand cordura abrasion layer on the high impact areas. It's your skin on the line and while top quality gear wont save your arse in a serious off, it will afford some protection against the agonys of abrasion. i've been on and around bikes since I was about 17 or so and have seen far too much pain that could have been avoided or minimised with good quality gear.

[Gibbo89]

Folk have the right to be protective about their services.
Quasi is correct about the use of the brand name Cordura.
Buyer beware, ask lots of questions, and load up with information. If a retailer can't give you an sensible answer then ask yourself 'why?'

Personal opinion of Aunty Ratti- buy good quality leather, perhaps with a genuine brand cordura abrasion layer on the high impact areas. It's your skin on the line and while top quality gear wont save your arse in a serious off, it will afford some protection against the agonys of abrasion. i've been on and around bikes since I was about 17 or so and have seen far too much pain that could have been avoided or minimised with good quality gear.

thanks a lot aunty ratti.

duly noted :)

[ynot slow]

Dri -Rider is a misnomer,my last 2 jackets were/are not waterproof.First jacket worn mostly weekly was showerproof,heavyish rain meant it was wet inside.Eventually it was swapped as couple of items broke and retailer swapped it for me(won't get that from internet usa sales)for the similar quality spec,admittedly it was $250-300 price and not expensive Dri-Rider jacket,but the present one still lets rain in,mostly through the zip and top of chest area.My older Neo worth $279 was waterproof as a comparison.

[200BUSA]

I wouldnt go near this crowd. I have a pair of their trou on my bench that needs repair after being worn for 2 weeks. The seams have given way in crutch and center back, the backing is peeling off the 'waterproof' lining, and the fabric is bag weight cordura, not suitable for riding gear ( IMO )

The person who owns the trou was told 'too bad, it's your problem not mine" when he contacted them seeking replacement or money back.

Personal choice of course, but my opinon is that you would be better served by purchasing from a bike shop where they have a reputation to preserve.



Well thats the first i have heard of this one - so i reckon you are full of shit, if any of my customers
have a problem then they contact me and we sort it out.. So i hope you have your facts right there and get your so called person with my pants to contact me about the so called problem.

[200BUSA]

thanks for all your input guys. interesting reading for sure, i am in no great rush (going to sit my learners this week or next). so i'll have a shop around etc. don't want to buy a dud. i'll look at the shops (even though it looks like one of them had a quality issue as mentioned above).

and yeah the cordura debate between quasi and 1tonne got a bit :girlfight: ish. haha



Get the facts before you decide. If you want to come and have a look at my gear you are welcome to, before you check out the bike shops. But half the people on this site are full of shit and just throw a crap comment in to stir things up. As i said you can check out my gear and make your own mind up.

[Flip]

Well I have never had a suit that was completely water proof, water resistant yes. I have just brought a $160 knock off cadura jacket on trade me from lifestyle imports, wore it to the brass and seems fine.

I don't ever get the time to go shopping so on line really suits me.

[sleemanj]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Jackets/auction-294718904.htm


It will most likely be waterproof to a good degree.

But, note it is a short sports jacket, so if you don't have it attached to your pants (zipped) then the back will probably let wind around leaving a potentially uncomfortable cold spot on your lower back, and equally in heavy rain water drive it's way up under the front and down into your pants, brrr. Also you will want gloves with good cuffs on them.

I have one of these
http://www.messona.co.nz/sport-tech-r1-grey-silver
which as you can see appears not too dissimilar in it's proportions.

It keeps me more or less warm and dry, except for the fore-mentioned issues. It's not bad for wearing off the bike, but any bike jacket is of course bulky, especially ones with armor and preformed arms like these ones.

[flyingcrocodile46]

To be honest I don't see how that jacket looks less like a bike jacket than 70 to 80% of other bike jackets.

[Ratti]

Well thats the first i have heard of this one - so i reckon you are full of shit, if any of my customers
have a problem then they contact me and we sort it out.. So i hope you have your facts right there and get your so called person with my pants to contact me about the so called problem.

pix of said trousers can be viewed in this album- I hope. I've not tried to make an album before so if there is a problem viewing this, can someone let me know please?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=3601

[st00ji]

worked fine for me, fwiw


pix of said trousers can be viewed in this album- I hope. I've not tried to make an album before so if there is a problem viewing this, can someone let me know please?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=3601

[200BUSA]

pix of said trousers can be viewed in this album- I hope. I've not tried to make an album before so if there is a problem viewing this, can someone let me know please?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=3601



So you have pics, that doesnt explain why the customer didnt contact me about the problem.

[st00ji]

not sure why you are being so agressive towards ratti over this, seems to me shes just repeating what she has seen / been told by the owner. surely you would be better served by politely asking for the contact details of whomever owns them and taking it up with them :D


So you have pics, that doesnt explain why the customer didnt contact me about the problem.

[200BUSA]

not sure why you are being so agressive towards ratti over this, seems to me shes just repeating what she has seen / been told by the owner. surely you would be better served by politely asking for the contact details of whomever owns them and taking it up with them :D

Well if you refer back to her earlier post you will see that she was advising not to buy any of our gear. We are not being aggressive we were asking for the proof that the person had contacted us and that we said what the customer had said about us saying "too bad" "its your problem not mine" We have not and have never said that to a customer and never put down other sellers products. Where as Ratti is quick to put our product down and tell every one that we have said the above, we have certainly never said that.

[Flip]

Published hear say complaints are always difficult to defend.

Because the proof of the pudding is in the eating what would you like to do about these problems?

[avgas]

I have said it before and I will say it again.
I think QuasiMoto is a dick, but his gear is fricken awesome. I was pissed off because he came out with some mint jackets just after I got my Tecknic.
However you only have $150, you only have $150......and that seems like an ok jacket for that price.
So buy Qmoto if you have the coin, I would, and I hate the prick.

[BMWST?]

To be honest I don't see how that jacket looks less like a bike jacket than 70 to 80% of other bike jackets.

he didnt say it "wasnt" a bike jacket just pointed out that shorter jackets have shortcomings!

[flyingcrocodile46]

he didnt say it "wasnt" a bike jacket just pointed out that shorter jackets have shortcomings!

I didn't see anything along those lines?... (edit.. I see now. I was replying to the very first post, not the post previous to mine).... end edit.

I wear a Rallycross touring jacket.. nice and long, to encompass my own shortcomings:lol: Definitely looks like a bike jacket though.

Revit do a nice line of jackets that look less bikerlike (I'd describe them as a bit startrekish) but I don't recall seeing any touring length jackets.

[Gibbo89]

well this thread has sprung to life hasn't it! i think i'm just going to have to go and look around at all the chch shops before i go through trademe. if the cheap german knock off works then great, if not... well i guess i'll learn from my choice. regarding the lincrabikewear site, they have a deal at the moment, pants, gloves and jacket for $300 which seems a reasonable price.

[st00ji]

i think the best advice i could give, is to buy once and buy right - even if it means spending a little more than you wanted to. you only get one set of skin after all! i went for some cheaper stuff when i first started riding, a secondhand jacket etc. as soon as i tried on a decent leather jacket i realised i was never going to be happy wearing that old cordura one again. was a waste of money!

so find some gear you really like, and get that - rather than buying the cheapest or whatever.

[Gibbo89]

i think the best advice i could give, is to buy once and buy right - even if it means spending a little more than you wanted to. you only get one set of skin after all! i went for some cheaper stuff when i first started riding, a secondhand jacket etc. as soon as i tried on a decent leather jacket i realised i was never going to be happy wearing that old cordura one again. was a waste of money!

so find some gear you really like, and get that - rather than buying the cheapest or whatever.

thanks Stooji, does make alot of sense. i'll see what the cash situation is like after buying a whole bunch of rego and insurance and look to treat my skin to something decent.

[GOONR]

What st00ji says is right, I started riding about 9 - 10 months ago and bought to a tight budget, I wasn't working at the time so $$ where in short supply. Now I'm looking to replace most of my original gear because it's starting to fall apart, leak or both. Buy the best that you can possibly afford now and you should save money in the long run.

[NighthawkNZ]

I've got some cordura pants, they work ok for a trip to work in the rain but after about an hour of decent rain the water starts to get in. So for getting around town the cordura gear is probably the go.

After 1 hour of heavy rain most gear is starting to give way at some point unless you then put your full wet weather gear on...

Most leather and coudra is shower proof only...

You can make leather a little more water proof by adding Bone Dry http://www.bonedrynz.com/

[Quasievil]

We are the Agent for RUKKA in New Zealand, so if you want the best well here it is, expensive but the best.
I havent put it on the site yet but if you google RUKKA you will see it, also you tube it some good videos

This is the best in the world and is what all the cops in Europe use, very very high end.

Oh, it dont leak either


And I love Avgas he is the man:Punk:

[imdying]

Expensive 'waterproof' motorcycle gear gets well and truly kicked around the field by $50 oversuits from the Warehouse. Get get that will protect you if you fall off, and leave the waterproofing to that stuff instead.

[Quasievil]

Expensive 'waterproof' motorcycle gear gets well and truly kicked around the field by $50 oversuits from the Warehouse. Get get that will protect you if you fall off, and leave the waterproofing to that stuff instead.

Yeah I reckon I dont know why the Euro cops dont go to the warehouse either,PVC is so warm n all.

[imdying]

Yeah, that was the big surprise about them... I only brought them to keep rain off, but you're right, damn they're warm!!

So much so that I gave the jacket to a mate to stop him shivering to death on the last few hundred kms home in his soaked leather jacket. Mind you, it was truly dismal weather, and I ended up pretty darn cold myself after that last few hundred kms without it.

Wind chill 0, PVC 1 muwhahahah :D

[st00ji]

the bike cops here wear revit dont they?

last time i was chatting to one i noticed he had pretty cool gloves. dunno how weather proof their stuff is though.

PS quasi did you get my pm?

[avgas]

the bike cops here wear revit dont they?

last time i was chatting to one i noticed he had pretty cool gloves. dunno how weather proof their stuff is though.

PS quasi did you get my pm?
Dunno - but I think their helmets a mint.
Anyone know what helmet they are?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Dunno - but I think their helmets a mint.
Anyone know what helmet they are?

I think most of them wear Nolan flip faces

[Dadpole]

Well thats the first i have heard of this one - so i reckon you are full of shit,

Always a good look for someone in the customer relations field.

[Vinz0r]

Yeah, bad form 200BUSA. No need to attack someone when they are only passing on information about a product that they believe to be inferior (also with photos to prove it).
Try and conduct yourself with a little more professionalism, it reflects badly on your business otherwise.

[200BUSA]

Yeah, bad form 200BUSA. No need to attack someone when they are only passing on information about a product that they believe to be inferior (also with photos to prove it).
Try and conduct yourself with a little more professionalism, it reflects badly on your business otherwise.

Who cares and what has it got to do with you - you tosser.

[200BUSA]

Always a good look for someone in the customer relations field.

Another tosser.

[Vinz0r]

Who cares? Your potential customers probably care.
Your claims that you always work with a customer to work out any problems and provide professional service are wearing thinner and thinner. I'd stop posting before it gets any worse if I were you mate.
Not posting anymore as I don't really want to derail this thread with off topic posts, although I'm glad I have been able to add another 'retailer' to my DO NOT BUY FROM list, cheers.

[200BUSA]

Who cares? Your potential customers probably care.
Your claims that you always work with a customer to work out any problems and provide professional service are wearing thinner and thinner. I'd stop posting before it gets any worse if I were you mate.
Not posting anymore as I don't really want to derail this thread with off topic posts, although I'm glad I have been able to add another 'retailer' to my DO NOT BUY FROM list, cheers.

Well its complete tossers like you that poke there nose in with there 2 cents worth that piss me off. If ever in CHCH come and tell me what a big man you are.
You prats are all happy when you get a bargain but soon as some one complains on this site before they contact the seller you all jump in with know all comments. I dont need your business - i will stick to the nice South Island motorcyclists. If any one else has a smart arse comment come and tell me. Im easy to find.

[GOONR]

Well its complete tossers like you that poke there nose in with there 2 cents worth that piss me off. If ever in CHCH come and tell me what a big man you are.
You prats are all happy when you get a bargain but soon as some one complains on this site before they contact the seller you all jump in with know all comments. I dont need your business - i will stick to the nice South Island motorcyclists. If any one else has a smart arse comment come and tell me. Im easy to find.

Well, this "tosser" may well have bought something from you, I would have been prepared to put Ratti's experience down to a one off. I have bought from traders on this site and I use this site as a gauge as to how they might conduct themselves if it does turn bad, although I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had any cause for complaint. You fall well short of the mark.

Your market is, or should / could be, bigger than CHCH. I'm glad that you are pleased with the CHCH market and hope that you are happy being a local only outfit, I can and will spend my money elsewhere.

[200BUSA]

Well, this "tosser" may well have bought something from you, I would have been prepared to put Ratti's experience down to a one off. I have bought from traders on this site and I use this site as a gauge as to how they might conduct themselves if it does turn bad, although I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had any cause for complaint. You fall well short of the mark.

Your market is, or should / could be, bigger than CHCH. I'm glad that you are pleased with the CHCH market and hope that you are happy being a local only outfit, I can and will spend my money elsewhere.

Again another tosser airing his big mouth comments, i dont care for your attitude , and as far as im concerned you North Island loud mouths can go get your ribs removed and go suck yourselves. I am no longer going to be selling bike gear - im concentrating on other business ventures. So tosser you can buy from where ever you like, so long as i dont have to deal with you bunch of moaning Wankers.

[GOONR]

.... I am no longer going to be selling bike gear ....

HAHAHAHAHA, What a fucking surprise!!

[Donzzz]

I remember looking at jackets worth 299 etc when I was bying my gear earlier this year. I finally settled for a $600 one. THe difference is apparent if you notice the seams, stitching, material quality etc. Then again it al depends on how much you use, how long etc. The jacket I got from Cycletreads (which is a great place btw) looks cool on the bike and I can wear to movies malls etc.. I look like a biker but its near fashionable enough for me... Once you're a biker, all you wear is an attitude my friend lol

Also, leather jackets are not as waterproof as textile ones but will give you more abrasion resistance and last longer

Good luck

[flyingcrocodile46]

:lol::rofl::killingme:killingme:rofl::lol:

Funny shit.

I think you have made a wise move.

Hopefully your other business ventures aren't reliant on customer contact, service or satisfaction.

[200BUSA]

:lol::rofl::killingme:killingme:rofl::lol:

Funny shit.

I think you have made a wise move.

Hopefully your other business ventures aren't reliant on customer contact, service or satisfaction.

Another mouthy fucker. Sorry i meant North Island retard.

[200BUSA]

HAHAHAHAHA, What a fucking surprise!!

What a retarded piece of shit you are.

[Corse1]

Well you get what you pay for and no such thing as a free lunch. I paid $400 (Discounted) bucks for a top quality Spool top and the same day I bought it had to ride in the rain from Chch to Kaikoura. Needless to say I got wet through the front of the jacket when brand new.

Over jacket and over pants are the only safe bet for complete waterproofing IMO.............

[GOONR]

.... I am no longer going to be selling bike gear - im concentrating on other business ventures.....

Sorry, one more thing, why the upgrade to your website then?

[GOONR]

What a retarded piece of shit you are.

Blah blah blah, think your record is stuck my friend.

[Gibbo89]

I remember looking at jackets worth 299 etc when I was bying my gear earlier this year. I finally settled for a $600 one. THe difference is apparent if you notice the seams, stitching, material quality etc. Then again it al depends on how much you use, how long etc. The jacket I got from Cycletreads (which is a great place btw) looks cool on the bike and I can wear to movies malls etc.. I look like a biker but its near fashionable enough for me... Once you're a biker, all you wear is an attitude my friend lol

Also, leather jackets are not as waterproof as textile ones but will give you more abrasion resistance and last longer

Good luck

thanks for the advice. seems like their are differing views on the definition of 'waterproof'. some say brand new textile ones wont be 100% waterproof, just a matter of toughening up i guess.

[Gibbo89]

I remember looking at jackets worth 299 etc when I was bying my gear earlier this year. I finally settled for a $600 one. THe difference is apparent if you notice the seams, stitching, material quality etc. Then again it al depends on how much you use, how long etc. The jacket I got from Cycletreads (which is a great place btw) looks cool on the bike and I can wear to movies malls etc.. I look like a biker but its near fashionable enough for me... Once you're a biker, all you wear is an attitude my friend lol

Also, leather jackets are not as waterproof as textile ones but will give you more abrasion resistance and last longer

Good luck

thanks for the advice. seems like their are differing views on the definition of 'waterproof'. some say brand new textile ones wont be 100% waterproof, just a matter of toughening up i guess.

[Quasievil]

thanks for the advice. seems like their are differing views on the definition of 'waterproof'. some say brand new textile ones wont be 100% waterproof, just a matter of toughening up i guess.

Get leather and a over suit mate, best of both worlds and you look cooler lol

[rachprice]

I wouldn't wear some bike gear around.. it's just too gay especially the suits.. Most of the textile bike gear is fairly standard to look at. Yeah it still looks like bike gear, but its not as bad as a one-piece white leather or a skeleton suit.

Steve


My skeleton suit is amazing thank you very much!

[Gibbo89]

Get leather and a over suit mate, best of both worlds and you look cooler lol

point taken. but what i'm after is going to most likely be a textile jacket eh.

[Quasievil]

point taken. but what i'm after is going to most likely be a textile jacket eh.

All good dude, my only advise is to buy something decent and try to avoid some of the crap that sells on Tm, there are heaps of good affordable suggestions above so go with one of them.
I have a Tecnic, and have had it for like mmmm 7 years and its still going strong, so thats a good brand, it was a mid price point which is the spot you need to buy in if you can dude.
Good luck

[Ratti]

Who cares and what has it got to do with you - you tosser.


Another tosser.


Who cares? Your potential customers probably care.
Your claims that you always work with a customer to work out any problems and provide professional service are wearing thinner and thinner. I'd stop posting before it gets any worse if I were you mate.
Not posting anymore as I don't really want to derail this thread with off topic posts, although I'm glad I have been able to add another 'retailer' to my DO NOT BUY FROM list, cheers.


Well its complete tossers like you that poke there nose in with there 2 cents worth that piss me off. If ever in CHCH come and tell me what a big man you are.
You prats are all happy when you get a bargain but soon as some one complains on this site before they contact the seller you all jump in with know all comments. I dont need your business - i will stick to the nice South Island motorcyclists. If any one else has a smart arse comment come and tell me. Im easy to find.


Again another tosser airing his big mouth comments, i dont care for your attitude , and as far as im concerned you North Island loud mouths can go get your ribs removed and go suck yourselves. I am no longer going to be selling bike gear - im concentrating on other business ventures. So tosser you can buy from where ever you like, so long as i dont have to deal with you bunch of moaning Wankers.


HAHAHAHAHA, What a fucking surprise!!
Oddly enough, this appears to support the information my potential customer ( remember I turned the work down on ethical grounds ) told me had happend. All I can say is, one less dodgy trader out of the market, and that can only be a good thing.

Just as a matter of interest, I do wear cordura-type gear. LIke Quasi, a Technic jacket that fits my womanly curves very nicely, and Mobig pants that also hug my curves very nicely. The trick is to buy the BEST you can afford that fits YOUR body the best.

[Gibbo89]

Oddly enough, this appears to support the information my potential customer ( remember I turned the work down on ethical grounds ) told me had happend. All I can say is, one less dodgy trader out of the market, and that can only be a good thing.

Just as a matter of interest, I do wear cordura-type gear. LIke Quasi, a Technic jacket that fits my womanly curves very nicely, and Mobig pants that also hug my curves very nicely. The trick is to buy the BEST you can afford that fits YOUR body the best.

yeah, looks like i'll be trying to do that. thanks ratti

[Gibbo89]

All good dude, my only advise is to buy something decent and try to avoid some of the crap that sells on Tm, there are heaps of good affordable suggestions above so go with one of them.
I have a Tecnic, and have had it for like mmmm 7 years and its still going strong, so thats a good brand, it was a mid price point which is the spot you need to buy in if you can dude.
Good luck

7 years... sounds like my kinda jacket. i'll be shopping round a wee bit after my exams for the best i can afford. thanks

[imdying]

Get leather and a over suit mate, best of both worlds and you look cooler lolThat's the way I'd go if I was starting out again... Black Rock suit, Warehouse set of PVCs, thermal neck noodle, pin-lock, and you'll laugh in the face of winter. My Teknic jacket is on year 8... cost me $700 (iirc) in 02, but is still in great condition, no seams letting go anywhere... but, are the ones they make now as good a quality as that one... who knows. I could buy a Black Rock suit from Quasi for that sort of coin, and I except the quality would be at least as good if his product matches his marketing.

/edit: And if it's not clear, I expect it does... KB can be brutal at times, he'd have been raked over the coals if his shit wasn't what he (quite vocally at times) purports it to be

[Owl]

I have a Tecnic


LIke Quasi, a Technic jacket that fits

It's fookin Teknic!:laugh:

[Ratti]

It's fookin Teknic!:laugh:

*giggle* er, yes, quite right.
( I went and checked my jacket )

[200BUSA]

[QUOTE=Ratti;1129786682]Oddly enough, this appears to support the information my potential customer ( remember I turned the work down on ethical grounds ) told me had happend. All I can say is, one less dodgy trader out of the market, and that can only be a good thing.

And did your potential customer tell you they got a replacement pair od pants then tried to get there ones fixed. NO. Idont have to answer to you Ratti - if i am a dodgy trader then i wont say what you are but it isnt nice. Get your facts right befroe you open that massive big mouth you have. But at least you have a lot of Gay followers up there in the North Island. And just to annoy you and your fuck wit mates we will still be around with our good gear.

[200BUSA]

Gibbo89 i hope you find something suitable and not to pricey.

[Dadpole]

You still here? I thought you had buggered off to pursue 'Other business interests'.
But carry on... We are all enjoying Customer Relations 101.

[Gibbo89]

Gibbo89 i hope you find something suitable and not to pricey.

thanks, i hope so too

[Ratti]

2.B. , How do you know we are talking about the same customer? He came to me through a recomendation from one of the bike shops here in the Hutt.

the pix I posted speak for themselves really. But please, do carry on digging your hole.
We have this nifty bit of legislation here in NZ called the Consumer Protection Act. One of the interesting bits in the Act is that goods sold MUST be fit for purpose. The trou you sold this person are most definatly NOT fit for purpose. SO the very least you can do is replace or refund.

[nallac]

shit, i was thinking about getting a pair of lincra pants off trademe,but i can see they won't suit a
NI'r like me,and i never thought i was gay(sold the Honda) but i must be cause it says it on the net.

[200BUSA]

2.B. , How do you know we are talking about the same customer? He came to me through a recomendation from one of the bike shops here in the Hutt.

the pix I posted speak for themselves really. But please, do carry on digging your hole.
We have this nifty bit of legislation here in NZ called the Consumer Protection Act. One of the interesting bits in the Act is that goods sold MUST be fit for purpose. The trou you sold this person are most definatly NOT fit for purpose. SO the very least you can do is replace or refund.


And what does the ACT say about not contacting a seller to say there is a problem - then giving to someone else to repair and pull and poke at them to make the pictures look bad that they then post up on the Net?

[st00ji]

i find myself hoping all this carry on is some laboured attempt at a troll

for what its worth your attitude in this thread alone is enough to convince me never to buy from you, pretty much regardless of any other factors. im sure im not the only one! im sure you'll make some witty comment about the island i happen to live in (if you would like to try something a bit different i was also born in australia) but the truth is you are shooting yourself in the foot with this shit. i suggest you plead temporary insanity and exit the thread

[flyingcrocodile46]

It's the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 No 91 (as at 01 August 2009), Public Act

If I was the buyer and had to deal with a shit head retailer like yourself, I would make you refund my money or make your life an absolute misery before invoking the Act with the commerce commission and have them make you refund the money as well as censuring you for being a shithead.

Section 6 Guarantee as to acceptable quality

(1) Subject to section 41 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312857#DLM312857) of this Act, where goods are supplied to a consumer there is a guarantee that the goods are of acceptable quality.

(2) Where the goods fail to comply with the guarantee in this section,—

(a) Part 2 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312818#DLM312818) of this Act may give the consumer a right of redress against the supplier; and



(b) Part 3 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312832#DLM312832) of this Act may give the consumer a right of redress against the manufacturer.


Compare: 1908 No 168 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM173957#DLM173957) s 16(b) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM174629#DLM174629); 1971 No 147 s 12; Consumer Products Warranties Act 1977, s 11(4), 11(7) (Saskatchewan)



Section 7 Meaning of acceptable quality

(1) For the purposes of section 6 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312807#DLM312807) of this Act, goods are of acceptable quality if they are as—

(a) Fit for all the purposes for which goods of the type in question are commonly supplied; and



(b) Acceptable in appearance and finish; and



(c) Free from minor defects; and



(d) Safe; and



(e) Durable,—

as a reasonable consumer fully acquainted with the state and condition of the goods, including any hidden defects, would regard as acceptable, having regard to—


(f) The nature of the goods:



(g) The price (where relevant):



(h) Any statements made about the goods on any packaging or label on the goods:



(i) Any representation made about the goods by the supplier or the manufacturer:



(j) All other relevant circumstances of the supply of the goods.


(2) Where any defects in goods have been specifically drawn to the consumer's attention before he or she agreed to the supply, then notwithstanding that a reasonable consumer may not have regarded the goods as acceptable with those defects, the goods will not fail to comply with the guarantee as to acceptable quality by reason only of those defects.

(3) Where goods are displayed for sale or hire, the defects that are to be treated as having been specifically drawn to the consumer's attention for the purposes of subsection (2) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312808#DLM312808) of this section are those disclosed on a written notice displayed with the goods.

(4) Goods will not fail to comply with the guarantee of acceptable quality if—


(a) The goods have been used in a manner, or to an extent which is inconsistent with the manner or extent of use that a reasonable consumer would expect to obtain from the goods; and



(b) The goods would have complied with the guarantee of acceptable quality if they had not been used in that manner or to that extent.


(5) A reference in subsections (2) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312808#DLM312808) and (3) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312808#DLM312808) of this section to a defect means any failure of the goods to comply with the guarantee of acceptable quality.

Compare: Consumer Products Warranties Act 1977, ss 2(a), 34 (Saskatchewan)



Section 8 Guarantees as to fitness for particular purpose

(1) Subject to section 41 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312857#DLM312857) of this Act, the following guarantees apply where goods are supplied to a consumer:

(a) That the goods are reasonably fit for any particular purpose that the consumer makes known, expressly or by implication, to the supplier as the purpose for which the goods are being acquired by the consumer; and



(b) That the goods are reasonably fit for any particular purpose for which the supplier represents that they are or will be fit.


(2) Those guarantees do not apply where the circumstances show that—


(a) The consumer does not rely on the supplier's skill or judgment; or



(b) It is unreasonable for the consumer to rely on the supplier's skill or judgment.


(3) This section applies whether or not the purpose is a purpose for which the goods are commonly supplied.

(4) Part 2 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312818#DLM312818) of this Act gives the consumer a right of redress against the supplier where the goods fail to comply with any guarantee in this section.

Compare: 1908 No 168 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM173957#DLM173957) s 16(a) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM174629#DLM174629); 1971 No 147 s 13


Section 9 Guarantee that goods comply with description

(1) Subject to section 41 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312857#DLM312857) of this Act, where goods are supplied by description to a consumer, there is a guarantee that the goods correspond with the description.

(2) A supply of goods is not prevented from being a supply by description by reason only that, being exposed for sale or hire, they are selected by a consumer.

(3) If the goods are supplied by reference to a sample or demonstration model as well as by description, the guarantees in this section and in section 10 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312811#DLM312811) of this Act will both apply.

(4) Where the goods fail to comply with the guarantee in this section,—

(a) Part 2 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312818#DLM312818) of this Act gives the consumer a right of redress against the supplier; and



(b) Part 3 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312832#DLM312832) of this Act may give the consumer a right of redress against the manufacturer.


Compare: 1908 No 168 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM173957#DLM173957) s 15 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM174628#DLM174628); 1971 No 147 s 14(2); Trade Practices Act 1974, s 70(2) (Australia)


Section 18 Options against suppliers where goods do not comply with guarantees

(1) Where a consumer has a right of redress against the supplier in accordance with this Part of this Act in respect of the failure of any goods to comply with a guarantee, the consumer may exercise the following remedies.

(2) Where the failure can be remedied, the consumer may—

(a) Require the supplier to remedy the failure within a reasonable time in accordance with section 19 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312824#DLM312824) of this Act:



(b) Where a supplier who has been required to remedy a failure refuses or neglects to do so, or does not succeed in doing so within a reasonable time,—

(i) Have the failure remedied elsewhere and obtain from the supplier all reasonable costs incurred in having the failure remedied; or



(ii) Subject to section 20 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312826#DLM312826) of this Act, reject the goods in accordance with section 22 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312829#DLM312829) of this Act.




(3) Where the failure cannot be remedied or is of a substantial character within the meaning of section 21 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312828#DLM312828) of this Act, the consumer may—


(a) Subject to section 20 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312826#DLM312826) of this Act, reject the goods in accordance with section 22 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312829#DLM312829) of this Act; or



(b) Obtain from the supplier damages in compensation for any reduction in value of the goods below the price paid or payable by the consumer for the goods.


(4) In addition to the remedies set out in subsection (2) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312823#DLM312823) and subsection (3) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312823#DLM312823) of this section, the consumer may obtain from the supplier damages for any loss or damage to the consumer resulting from the failure (other than loss or damage through reduction in value of the goods) which was reasonably foreseeable as liable to result from the failure.

Compare: Consumer Products Warranties Act 1977, s 20(1) (Saskatchewan)


Section 19 Requirement to remedy

(1) A supplier may comply with a requirement to remedy a failure of any goods to comply with a guarantee—

(a) By—

(i) Repairing the goods (in any case where the failure does not relate to title); or



(ii) Curing any defect in title (in any case where the failure relates to title); or





(b) By replacing the goods with goods of identical type; or



(c) Where the supplier cannot reasonably be expected to repair the goods, by providing a refund of any money paid or other consideration provided by the consumer in respect of the goods.


(2) Where a consumer obtains goods to replace defective goods pursuant to subsection (1) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312824#DLM312824) of this section, the replacement goods shall, for the purposes of this Act, be deemed to be supplied by the supplier and the guarantees and obligations arising under this Act consequent upon a supply of goods to a consumer shall apply to the replacement goods.

(3) A refund referred to in subsection (1)(c) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0091/latest/link.aspx?search=ts_act_Consumer_resel&p=1&id=DLM312824#DLM312824) of this section means a refund in cash of the money paid or the value of any other consideration provided, or both, as the case may require.

[crazyhorse]

Does it matter what you wear in the mall? I'd wear my leather jacket anywhere - or my technics one. I really wouldn't care what people thiink - you ride a bike don't ya? Well, do what you want....... go get it

[Ratti]

And what does the ACT say about not contacting a seller to say there is a problem - then giving to someone else to repair and pull and poke at them to make the pictures look bad that they then post up on the Net?
Read it again, he told me he did contact you and was told 'Not my problem'. lol, i didn't have to pull and poke to make 'em "look bad" dear- the shoddy workmanship speaks for itself.


It's the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993 No 91 (as at 01 August 2009), Public Act

If I was the buyer and had to deal with a shit head retailer like yourself, I would make you refund my money or make your life an absolute misery before invoking the Act with the commerce commission and have them make you refund the money as well as censuring you for being a shithead.
[/LIST]
Thanks Croc. I stand corrected.
I do believe the Commerce Commission might be interested in this case. Or even FairGo? WIth all the fuss about ACC of late, and how much bikers cost the country, it might be a good time to bring up a case for formal standards to be created and applied to riding gear sold in NZ....

[John_H]

[QUOTE=Ratti;1129786682]Oddly enough, this appears to support the information my potential customer ( remember I turned the work down on ethical grounds ) told me had happend. All I can say is, one less dodgy trader out of the market, and that can only be a good thing.

And did your potential customer tell you they got a replacement pair od pants then tried to get there ones fixed. NO. Idont have to answer to you Ratti - if i am a dodgy trader then i wont say what you are but it isnt nice. Get your facts right befroe you open that massive big mouth you have. But at least you have a lot of Gay followers up there in the North Island. And just to annoy you and your fuck wit mates we will still be around with our good gear.

Go away.

[Neshi]

Just the first reaction he gave

so i reckon you are full of shit
made me scratch him of my potential buy list.

[Eyegasm]

Please continue....

I only just pulled up a chair

:corn:

[FatHead]

Try this guy on Trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Jackets/auction-298776152.htm. I found him very easy to trade with and he is a motorcyclist himself his trader name is Vadernz

[Gibbo89]

Try this guy on Trademe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Jackets/auction-298776152.htm. I found him very easy to trade with and he is a motorcyclist himself his trader name is Vadernz

thanks, def worth a look

[Gibbo89]

hi guys,

im still on the hunt for a jacket. has anyone owned a strada viaggio ex jacket?

i saw it at leather direct and seems to be a good price, as far as bike jackets go.

maybe some1 can also tell me the diff between that and a strada viaggio jacket (without the ex), from looking at them, 1 has vents and the other doesnt, i doubt that is the only difference in the two jackets?

thanks

[Vinz0r]

I have a Viaggioex, got a good deal on it from Boyds in Hamilton. Had an off in it at 60kph and no damage at all to the jacket, has removable armour and is pretty damn warm, has a removable thermal liner etc.

[neels]

hi guys,

im still on the hunt for a jacket. has anyone owned a strada viaggio ex jacket?

i saw it at leather direct and seems to be a good price, as far as bike jackets go.

maybe some1 can also tell me the diff between that and a strada viaggio jacket (without the ex), from looking at them, 1 has vents and the other doesnt, i doubt that is the only difference in the two jackets?

thanks
Can't help with the difference between the jackets, but I have some strada pants which seem to be pretty good so far.

They also have them at Cycletreads around the corner so might be worth dropping in there to compare prices if you like the look of something.

[Gibbo89]

Can't help with the difference between the jackets, but I have some strada pants which seem to be pretty good so far.

They also have them at Cycletreads around the corner so might be worth dropping in there to compare prices if you like the look of something.

ahh sweet, good to hear. thnaks

[Gibbo89]

got myself a Neo branded jacket at the triumph store today... seems like a good deal for the price.