Proposed Road Race rule changes

[Maarty]

Proposed rule changes are now up on the MNZ website.
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/Proposed_Rule_Changes.aspx
Please leave constructive ideas as per instruction on that site!

Maarty van Booma
Road Race Commission member

[Shaun P]

Looks good aye will make Superbike cool again, bit of an about face with cams, any tyres, quickshifters, data aquisition, link arm rods, valve pocket machining etc, hmmm no mention of traction control

[gixerracer]

Pretty much the same rules as now except for the gay wheel rule, and the electronics
Looks good aye will make Superbike cool again, bit of an about face with cams, any tyres, quickshifters, data aquisition, link arm rods, valve pocket machining etc, hmmm no mention of traction control

[Shaun P]

Pretty much the same rules as now except for the gay wheel rule, and the electronics
Maybe depends if you abide by them.. but the other proposed rules were alot different eg more stock based and treaded tyres

[Biggles08]

I like the looks of the 600 stock class...only hope the standard rear suspension won't chew the tires out too much! Over all it looks like good, well thought out changes being made.

[Marknz]

I'll be interested to see how the 600 stock rules pan out, but not experienced enough to pass comment.

[Ozzy27]

At a quick look a Superbike built to the limit of the rules just got a large amount dearer!!

Wheels 3x rear 2x front $5000-10,000
Adjustable tripple clamps $2000-5000
Brake Master Cylinder $500 (dont ask what a motogp one costs!!)
Dash $500-$5000
Data Aquaisiton $2000-20,000
Ecu $2000-WSB Marelli marvell system is $100000 US$:shit:
Motec at least $10,000
Aux Radiator $500-???.

I just wonder if there is a surreptitious movement to price S/bike out of the market and replace it with s/stock when there are only 3 bikes entered??:shifty:

[Shaun P]

I like the looks of the 600 stock class...only hope the standard rear suspension won't chew the tires out too much! Over all it looks like good, well thought out changes being made.

:blink:
2.8 (h) rear suspension damping unit and springs

[Shaun P]

At a quick look a Superbike built to the limit of the rules just got a large amount dearer!!

Wheels 3x rear 2x front $5000-10,000
Adjustable tripple clamps $2000-5000
Brake Master Cylinder $500 (dont ask what a motogp one costs!!)
Dash $500-$5000
Data Aquaisiton $2000-20,000
Ecu $2000-WSB Marelli marvell system is $100000 US$:shit:
Motec at least $10,000
Aux Radiator $500-???.

I just wonder if there is a surreptitious movement to price S/bike out of the market and replace it with s/stock when there are only 3 bikes entered??:shifty:


Think its more in line with getting Aussie teams ova?

[Ozzy27]

:blink:
2.8 (h) rear suspension damping unit and springs

600's are covered in 3.6 (n) Front and rear suspension springs and internal components, but external appearance
must remain unchanged, Full cartridge kits may not be used.
So 1000's can use a shock 600's revalving only.

[Ozzy27]

Think its more in line with getting Aussie teams ova?

I cant see any reason why a distributor supported Australian Team would come to NZ to race as their sole reason for racing is to promote their products to potential customers who are not in NZ as a lot of the distributors are diffrent companys.

[Maido]

loving the supersport rules. from someone who loves to tinker wth engine this give you way more scope, and align with aussie prety well also. wih the current rule set the issue of compression by way of gasket only is a real pain (i am speaking from a honda point of view) allowing mating surface machinng leaves you with way more room! (0.52mm of squish is way to close!)
i will endevor to get over there if these come in as i am sure alot will.

[codgyoleracer]

I cant see any reason why a distributor supported Australian Team would come to NZ to race as their sole reason for racing is to promote their products to potential customers who are not in NZ as a lot of the distributors are diffrent companys.

What he said.

+ I know , lets continue to try and create two race classes out of one thats struggling to fill grids even now..............., hey guys heres an idea. Pick one & get on with it (preferably the cheaper one), Jeeeesh.

[Biggles08]

Wheels 3x rear 2x front $5000-10,000


Just come see us at CARROZZERIA Chris, we'll see ya right:shifty:
Nice blue anodized ones I'm thinking you need...eh hehehe

[CHOPPA]

That must be a rule for Andrew so he can run the BST wheels??

I like the rules being good for oz so i can race there, not sure why else the wheels will be added cause you cant run them there

[CHOPPA]

But yea your right glen, we could just have the superbike rules and people could run whatever spec they can afford. Its not gonna create extra entrys. I had my ex Stroudy bike for sale for $12500 for ages

[KS34]

What he said.

+ I know , lets continue to try and create two race classes out of one thats struggling to fill grids even now..............., hey guys heres an idea. Pick one & get on with it (preferably the cheaper one), Jeeeesh.

I like that idea!

[brads]

I cant see any reason why a distributor supported Australian Team would come to NZ to race as their sole reason for racing is to promote their products to potential customers who are not in NZ as a lot of the distributors are diffrent companys.

Couldnt agree more,few years back now our SBK rules were made so more of us could go and race in aussie, how many went??? 2 for memory, how can making our bikes more expensive to build make it easier to get to Australia?

[lukemillar]

Not being able to change chain pitch is annoying in Stock 600. The main reason I went from 525 -> 520 was availability/choice of sprockets rather than any kind of mechanical advantage!

Not a deal breaker though

[Tony.OK]

Not being able to change chain pitch is annoying in Stock 600. The main reason I went from 525 -> 520 was availability/choice of sprockets rather than any kind of mechanical advantage!

Not a deal breaker though

Yeah that was the only thing I picked out from both Stock classes............520 chain and spockets are also cheaper too.

Good enough reason to pop MNZ an email perhaps.

[Shaun]

e) External gearing and chain, but not chain pitch,


So run 525 chain on 520 sprockets, NO Drama!

[cowpoos]

Not being able to change chain pitch is annoying in Stock 600. The main reason I went from 525 -> 520 was availability/choice of sprockets rather than any kind of mechanical advantage!

Not a deal breaker though

You need to look harder for sprockets. there are plenty out there

[Robert Taylor]

What he said.

+ I know , lets continue to try and create two race classes out of one thats struggling to fill grids even now..............., hey guys heres an idea. Pick one & get on with it (preferably the cheaper one), Jeeeesh.

But will the cheaper one actually be cheaper in practice? ( 600 cc machines ) Anyone who claims to have a totally sorted current spec for revalved and resprung oem 600 shocks for EVERY track is seriously tugging himself.

[Shaun]

But will the cheaper one actually be cheaper in practice? ( 600 cc machines ) Anyone who claims to have a totally sorted current spec for revalved and resprung oem 600 shocks for EVERY track is seriously tugging himself.



But with my test riding skills, we soon will! and this will be a great spin off for the ROAD riders also as well as the buisness in behind it.

[codgyoleracer]

But will the cheaper one actually be cheaper in practice? ( 600 cc machines ) Anyone who claims to have a totally sorted current spec for revalved and resprung oem 600 shocks for EVERY track is seriously tugging himself.

Yes ,l i can see stock shocks on ebay becoming ever rarer !

[Kevin G]

Not being able to change chain pitch is annoying in Stock 600. The main reason I went from 525 -> 520 was availability/choice of sprockets rather than any kind of mechanical advantage!

Not a deal breaker though

Chain pitch is the distance between the centres of the pins or rollers and 530. 525 and 520 are all the same pitch but all are different widths. A misunderstood term. You can change from 525 to 520 as they are written.

[lukemillar]

You need to look harder for sprockets. there are plenty out there

Maybe for the Japanese 600s but I had real hassles finding different sizes for my 675

EDIT - I should add - non stock sizes

[lukemillar]

Chain pitch is the distance between the centres of the pins or rollers and 530. 525 and 520 are all the same pitch but all are different widths. A misunderstood term. You can change from 525 to 520 as they are written.

You know, I never knew that! I always though pitch was the distance between rollers.

Cool - ignore me then and carry on! :whistle:

[scorry]

the only thing i dont like is having to have a vin plate for super stock's per 3.1

a) Be fitted with V.I.N compliance plates for the particular machine,

that way you cant import a slightly bent 600 from the states, fix it and race it for well under $10k
that was what i was thinking of doing next year

surely if it fits the following, that should be enough??

b) Be of a make and model lawfully sold in New Zealand
c) Be as constructed by the manufacturer,
d) At least 10 production machines of that make and model must have been imported
into New Zealand by the manufacturer or the Australian distributor representing the
manufacturer.

[slowpoke]

Yeah, you're right Chris but realistically most folks wouldn't know what to do with or how to take advantage of half that malarkey. As you and a lot of other experienced guys have said, most of us need to spend more time learning how to ride the things than tinkering with 'em. On the upside of those modified rules, young blokes like Nick Cole, Glen Skatchill, Jimmy Smith, Choppa will actually have some exposure to some of the equipment/adjustability they'll face overseas.

You don't have to front with the mag adjustable triple clamps, BST wheels, Stack dash, Marelli D/A etc. But all of a sudden it's worth Choppa, Nick Cole, Jimmy Smith, Craig Shirriffs, Stroudy etc hunting up sponsors with interests in Oz 'cos they can more than double their exposure. Yeah, I may be dreamin'......but it's nice while it lasts, lol.


At a quick look a Superbike built to the limit of the rules just got a large amount dearer!!

Wheels 3x rear 2x front $5000-10,000
Adjustable tripple clamps $2000-5000
Brake Master Cylinder $500 (dont ask what a motogp one costs!!)
Dash $500-$5000
Data Aquaisiton $2000-20,000
Ecu $2000-WSB Marelli marvell system is $100000 US$:shit:
Motec at least $10,000
Aux Radiator $500-???.

I just wonder if there is a surreptitious movement to price S/bike out of the market and replace it with s/stock when there are only 3 bikes entered??:shifty:

[nearly nitro]

i think it might as well be f1 get it over and done with let people run whatever they can afford we need rules that will let more bikes race/make them better .who cares if a noddy turn's up with a trick bike in whatever class they have still got to be able to ride it well factory boys and rich people will always have an advantage with ride time and gear.but cream always rises to the top.

[slowpoke]

D'OH! I've just twigged: RSV4R Factory's and 1098R Ducati's etc are now eligible for Superbike. Jaysus, maybe even a Ducati Desmosedici, how many of 'em have been sold in NZ?

These things have got the adjustable engine mounts, steering head angle, data acquisition, T/C, quick shifter etc and virtually as I write this it will be fitering down to the bargain basement R1's, GSXR's etc too. Check out the info filtering out of Kawasaki regarding the next ZX10R, the blardy thing looks to have most of the above plus variable valve timing. Basically, it's all out there, and barring the GFC we'd probably already be riding the next gen bikes with it in place NOW.

So really, in a year or two, most of the above will be stock standard and adding it won't be an issue. Even lightweight wheels aren't the big thing they used to be as improved manufacturing brings OEM stuff closer to the aftermarket gear. Still an advantage, yes, but not the order of magnitude it used to be.

As the guy above has mentioned, there is more than a hint of F1-ness about some of the changes too. So folks may choose to hang on to and modify bikes (as they do in F3) rather than updating every two years. Buy your bike and race it in Superstock for a year or two. While it's in for the major top end service give the engine a tickle up, fit a Bazzaz unit with quickshifter and T/C functions and move up to Superbike, next year on go a set of marchesini's, etc.

I kinda wish the Road Race Commision had given a bit more of a briefing regarding their aims/reasoning with the proposed rule changes. All the same I'm thinking it would be great to see some amazing bikes on the grid and may just glam things up a little. I'd certainly pay good money to see some of the top end bikes out doing what they are built for, rather than parked outside the latte bar. Maybe others will too?

Given just how cheap and available some of this technology is (Bazzaz etc) and how we are right on the cusp of previous GP-only technology filtering down to street bikes, I think the Commision have actually shown a fair amount of foresight. Rather than "head in the sand this does not exist" luddites we may just have a group of folks who have realised the technology is here now and we might as well embrace it.

[gixerracer]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya
D'OH! I've just twigged: RSV4R Factory's and 1098R Ducati's etc are now eligible for Superbike. Jaysus, maybe even a Ducati Desmosedici, how many of 'em have been sold in NZ?

These things have got the adjustable engine mounts, steering head angle, data acquisition, T/C, quick shifter etc and virtually as I write this it will be fitering down to the bargain basement R1's, GSXR's etc too. Check out the info filtering out of Kawasaki regarding the next ZX10R, the blardy thing looks to have most of the above plus variable valve timing. Basically, it's all out there, and barring the GFC we'd probably already be riding the next gen bikes with it in place NOW.

So really, in a year or two, most of the above will be stock standard and adding it won't be an issue. Even lightweight wheels aren't the big thing they used to be as improved manufacturing brings OEM stuff closer to the aftermarket gear. Still an advantage, yes, but not the order of magnitude it used to be.

As the guy above has mentioned, there is more than a hint of F1-ness about some of the changes too. So folks may choose to hang on to and modify bikes (as they do in F3) rather than updating every two years. Buy your bike and race it in Superstock for a year or two. While it's in for the major top end service give the engine a tickle up, fit a Bazzaz unit with quickshifter and T/C functions and move up to Superbike, next year on go a set of marchesini's, etc.

I kinda wish the Road Race Commision had given a bit more of a briefing regarding their aims/reasoning with the proposed rule changes. All the same I'm thinking it would be great to see some amazing bikes on the grid and may just glam things up a little. I'd certainly pay good money to see some of the top end bikes out doing what they are built for, rather than parked outside the latte bar. Maybe others will too?

Given just how cheap and available some of this technology is (Bazzaz etc) and how we are right on the cusp of previous GP-only technology filtering down to street bikes, I think the Commision have actually shown a fair amount of foresight. Rather than "head in the sand this does not exist" luddites we may just have a group of folks who have realised the technology is here now and we might as well embrace it.

[cowpoos]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya

ON the bright side Craig...neither of them units will make your honda faster...so you'll save some money eh!!!!

[gixerracer]

Haha Thats were your wrong smithers tested a unit all ready and some tyres and it actually makes a big difference due to being able to open throttle sooner with out wheel spin and also can control bike much better on the brakes therefor allowing me to brake even later so you watch the lap records get destroyed BY ME AND MY HONDA
ON the bright side Craig...neither of them units will make your honda faster...so you'll save some money eh!!!!

[Tony.OK]

Haha Thats were your wrong smithers tested a unit all ready and some tyres and it actually makes a big difference due to being able to open throttle sooner with out wheel spin and also can control bike much better on the brakes therefor allowing me to brake even later so you watch the lap records get destroyed BY ME AND MY HONDA

Awesome, so if ya spend another 30k on the Honda then Hampton won't have to paint a new finish line further back:innocent:

Looking forward to seeing what happens with different bikes this year, the only real difference will be that the fast boys will be a bit further ahead than before.

[roadracingoldfart]

Awesome, so if ya spend another 30k on the Honda then Hampton won't have to paint a new finish line further back:innocent:

Looking forward to seeing what happens with different bikes this year, the only real difference will be that the fast boys will be a bit further ahead than before.


Road paint is cheap Tony , its the sand abraised bike paint that costs !!!! Plus , its a bitch down ya undies. (sand i mean , not paint)

[Tony.OK]

Road paint is cheap Tony , its the sand abraised bike paint that costs !!!! Plus , its a bitch down ya undies. (sand i mean , not paint)

I thought they stopped using leathers with a button up bum flap?..............time to update your John Wayne type leathers Paul!!

[roadracingoldfart]

I thought they stopped using leathers with a button up bum flap?..............time to update your John Wayne type leathers Paul!!

I heard of that fancy leather shit ....... is it really better than Vinyl ?? The corduroy inserts are horrid for rain soaking .
I will get Martha to investigate for me .

[slowpoke]

Mate your pharke dremin if you think at 2k bazzaz unit will compete with my 20k motec system. Good on ya

Yep, with training I'm sure your Motec will help ya kick some serious ass, but most riders are struggling to plug and play a Power Commander let alone a Motec system, even if they were given one for nix. Having it and using it are different things.

So when are you off to tour the circuits to dial in the GPS corner by corner T/C settings? You guys will be buying Head and Shoulders by the 10L container with all the head scratching that will be happening in the pits.

Nah, I hear what you are saying, and you're right, but there are cheaper options for folks.

[gixerracer]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint
Yep, with training I'm sure your Motec will help ya kick some serious ass, but most riders are struggling to plug and play a Power Commander let alone a Motec system, even if they were given one for nix. Having it and using it are different things.

So when are you off to tour the circuits to dial in the GPS corner by corner T/C settings? You guys will be buying Head and Shoulders by the 10L container with all the head scratching that will be happening in the pits.

Nah, I hear what you are saying, and you're right, but there are cheaper options for folks.

[gimpy]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint

Bullshit, you dont have any mates

[gixerracer]

Stay out of this or i will stab you u mofo. Friends dont let friends ride Tig crafts
Bullshit, you dont have any mates

[slowpoke]

One of my best mate from uk little brother works in eugene levertys world ssport team as electronics guy he sent me a unit to try with a basic set up in it and hes coming out here for a holiday at the end of there season so guna stay with me for 7 weeks so pretty sure we can do alot of testing in that time should be mint

Cor, fantastic opportunity there mate.....but you know that already, eh? Even if that sort of stuff never makes it out of the cupboard it would be hell interesting to play with. Serious suggestion: have you thought of writing something up for or at least approaching one of the local bike mags? I'd pay to hear what someone as quick as you thinks of a system like that, so it would have to be worth a bit of coin in your pocket from them? (I never buy the local mags) Just an idea....