New relicencing prices for 12 months [Archive]

danchop

10th June 2010, 18:12

That's for motorcycles under 60cc, not mopeds. Not every < 60cc is a moped.

Moped license should be ACC class 4a $129.24, plus $14.50 license plus $6.50 administration fee plus $1.64 slush fund. Total $151.88 + GST

Any motorcycle under 60cc ACC class 4b $327.70 plus $14.50 license plus $8.14 as above.

Motorcycle over 60cc as per OP
my ltsa sheet hasnt even got a class for mopeds on it?just petrol driven-up to 60cc

Madness

10th June 2010, 18:15

So using an MR27 form will save ma approximately $245. Nice!

Ixion

10th June 2010, 18:19

my ltsa sheet hasnt even got a class for mopeds on it?just petrol driven-up to 60cc

Yes. They say those are the "Common" ones. Doesn't include > 40 year old either, or diesel powered motorcycles (which do exist) A moped has to be < 50cc BTW, but the license cost has a break at < 61cc. Go figure.

danchop

10th June 2010, 18:24

Yes. They say those are the "Common" ones. Doesn't include > 40 year old either, or diesel powered motorcycles (which do exist) A moped has to be < 50cc BTW, but the license cost has a break at < 61cc. Go figure.
oh ok,i cant think of many things under 60cc that are not 49cc(or mopeds)

Ixion

10th June 2010, 18:55

There are a good many < 50cc motorcycles that are not mopeds. Most of the older 50cc sports models do not qualify, since they have both a power output greater than 2KW(or whatever the figure is) , and a top speed of > 50kph . My old Yamaha RD50 could touch 80kph. Admittedly, I weighed a lot less then!

rustyrobot

10th June 2010, 19:24

Anyone know what the deal would be with an electric bike? I put this question to the Kiwi Rider online zine but no reply. Since they have no cc rating, can you licence them as a moped?

fliplid

10th June 2010, 19:56

diesel powered motorcycles (which do exist) Dint Enfield do one? Would you get hammered for RUC?

blackdog

10th June 2010, 19:58

Anyone know what the deal would be with an electric bike? I put this question to the Kiwi Rider online zine but no reply. Since they have no cc rating, can you licence them as a moped?

interesting question, will they charge (sorry pun) on a scale based on power (sorry) output? if yes, then will petrol powered bikes have to be changed to the same scale rather than basing on cc rating?

because there is no tax at the pump, they will be charged for mileage like diesels

blackdog

10th June 2010, 19:59

Dint Enfield do one? Would you get hammered for RUC?

yup, that.

Ixion

10th June 2010, 20:00

They class them as diesels. Strictly, diesel is "non petrol driven". Though the Greens want a special category for electric vehicles, I think.
,br/> Certainly, ACC is "petrol driven" and "non petrol driven". Since ACC is by far the greatest part of the rego fee, that's what matters.

They can't be classed as mopeds, because mopeds are determined by power output (< 2KW I think) not cc. Assuming it was > 2 KW of course. I've no idea where they'd put them by cc class.

virtual120

10th June 2010, 20:00

I got an R6 (600) so what category is mine ? ...........60-600cc $405-63.............600cc and over $517-25

Ixion

10th June 2010, 20:01

Usually a "600" will be a couple of cc less than 600cc . Like, 598 maybe. So, less than 600 cc. A 636 Kawasaki though, is > 600cc. Don't mention rebores or big bore kits. EDIT: R6 is actually 599cc. Phew. That's cold, mind you, barrels probably expand 1 cc when hot.

sil3nt

10th June 2010, 20:13

breakaway

10th June 2010, 20:21

Has anyone got a link to how much the new prices are? (NZTA website or similar?)

Mully

10th June 2010, 20:24

we are about to see a dramatic increase in 'regs on hold'

Yep.

Which is a shame, cos I enjoy the occasional ride on a crisp (but fine) winter's morning.

Not worth keeping the bike licenced for those three months now.

Mully

10th June 2010, 20:25

Double motherfucking post.....

blackdog

10th June 2010, 20:31

So good luck selling a 636, 650 or 675. Is anyone actually doing anything about this silly system? Surely the owners aren't going to be all that pleased that they have to pay more for a slower bike than some of the 600s!

f650 owners must feel gutted, hp about the same as a 250 screamer?

NighthawkNZ

10th June 2010, 20:44

Has anyone got a link to how much the new prices are? (NZTA website or similar?)

The first post ???? maybe...

danchop

10th June 2010, 20:47

f650 owners must feel gutted, hp about the same as a 250 screamer?
not as gutted as a 650cc scooter owner like myself

Gibbo89

10th June 2010, 20:59

So good luck selling a 636, 650 or 675. Is anyone actually doing anything about this silly system? Surely the owners aren't going to be all that pleased that they have to pay more for a slower bike than some of the 600s!

my thoughts exactly. wouldnt a 700cc and bigger e the way to go? the prices of 650 bandits, daytonas and ninjas are going to see a pretty big price drop... right?!

danchop

10th June 2010, 21:02

my thoughts exactly. wouldnt a 700cc and bigger e the way to go? the prices of 650 bandits, daytonas and ninjas are going to see a pretty big price drop... right?!
nah thats crap cause the difference is just over $100

Gibbo89

10th June 2010, 21:16

ahhk. i obviously stand corrected. guess il take my crap elsewhere :D

breakaway

10th June 2010, 21:31

So has anyone got a direct link to the NZTA website which shows all the new motorcycle licensing charges or are you more interested in bleating on about some supposed rego hike?

As far as I can tell, no prices have been increased dramatically as proposed, and my understanding was they'd be increased on the 1st June 2010.

I used google's advanced search to search the whole NZTA website for "CC" and the only reference to CC I could find was the learner size restriction.

I will retract these statements when I am shown the proper pricing with proof that it is going to / has happened.

ukusa

10th June 2010, 22:27

we are about to see a dramatic increase in 'regs on hold'

I'll be on hold for 4 months/year. No more May to August. Will take the risk without rego on these "low K" months for me.
So that makes my rego only $344.

rustic101

10th June 2010, 22:32

The sooner the cotton on to registering peddle cyclists the better IMO

danchop

10th June 2010, 22:38

easyrider

10th June 2010, 22:41

Does anyone know when the prices go up or have they already?

breakaway

11th June 2010, 00:08

Does anyone know when the prices go up or have they already?

I would like this answered as well. I remember recently there was a lot of bitching and moaning about buying a years worth of rego before they up the price.

Edit: I just searched it up. A lot of people (Ixion included) have posted that the new rego prices go live on 01/07/2010 - July 2010.

How come there's no word of this, especially the NZTA site? They can't just change it to the new prices come 1st July 2010. Don't they have to advertise that this will be done by saying "The following prices will be effective as of 01/07/2010" or similar with a new pricelist?

danchop

11th June 2010, 00:30

I would like this answered as well. I remember recently there was a lot of bitching and moaning about buying a years worth of rego before they up the price.

Edit: I just searched it up. A lot of people (Ixion included) have posted that the new rego prices go live on 01/07/2010 - July 2010.

How come there's no word of this, especially the NZTA site? They can't just change it to the new prices come 1st July 2010. Don't they have to advertise that this will be done by saying "The following prices will be effective as of 01/07/2010" or similar with a new pricelist?
the site is shit,doesnt tell you anything,why not just take my original post as a quote cause its right apart from mpoed prices

breakaway

11th June 2010, 00:31

Show me some concrete sources and I'll believe it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to confirm exactly what is happening and when its happening.

Gremlin

11th June 2010, 00:37

So good luck selling a 636, 650 or 675. Is anyone actually doing anything about this silly system?
forget that... owners of things like the dr650 are hardly pleased...

MarkH

11th June 2010, 01:24

well considering its $321 now its not too much greater is it,only for the mopeds

The year before last I paid ~$250, last year I paid ~$320, this year I'll have to pay ~$405. Not as bad as they originally wanted to make it, but bad enough. 60% increase for a 400cc scooter in 2 years is a bit fuckin' rude IMO! For a >600cc bike we are talking about >100% increase in 2 years, even fuckin' ruder!

Fuck ACC, fuck them right in the ear!

miloking

11th June 2010, 01:55

I'll be on hold for 4 months/year. No more May to August. Will take the risk without rego on these "low K" months for me.
So that makes my rego only $344.

What is the fine for using vehicle with rego on hold? Just your usual $200? and no demerits? (just so iam prepared since i've been riding on hold since may)

And fuck ACC and what happened to all the tough talk about everybody putting their bikes on hold when this shit got proposed? I see that half of you caved in with this "buy rego now" to save bullshit....

but to those of you with rego on hold, keep it up brothers...strength is in unity!

ckai

11th June 2010, 08:20

My 675 is like a ducati, the numbers don't mean shit :D My 675 is in fact a 599cc. It was entered incorrectly when I first purchased it. It's their new model you see.

And I only got 6 months rego when I brought the bike a month ago!! I can't even get more rego now, then put it on hold straight away (at least I don't think I can).

ASS!

Swoop

11th June 2010, 08:26

Is anyone actually doing anything about this silly system?
Yes. Ignore it.
No rego but keep the WOF current. Simple.

roogazza

11th June 2010, 08:36

we are about to see a dramatic increase in 'regs on hold'

Thats the one bud, wish I'd done it in April . I only ride about 4 months of the year anyway, but thats my plan, its going on hold.
Just remember they have already started checking rego in road stops on the Tukas, struck it twice now half way up the Hutt side.

davereid

11th June 2010, 09:37

How come there's no word of this, especially the NZTA site? They can't just change it to the new prices come 1st July 2010. Don't they have to advertise that this will be done by saying "The following prices will be effective as of 01/07/2010" or similar with a new pricelist?

Last year they retrospectively increased road user charges.

So if you had purchased 10,000 km at the old rate, and still had 8,000 of them unused, you had to take them back for a refund, and buy new ones at the new rate.

It would seem they can do anything they want !

Next year you will find another massive increase. The reason is simple. ACC have increased prices by (say) 65% for your class of vehicle. They are dim enough to have budgeted on getting 60-65% more revenue. But they wont. Some guys like me will simply ride with a WOF only.

But even the most law-abiding kiwis will try and save money. They will get rid of the second car, and just make do with one.

The problem is, that ACC face exactly the same risk as before, as that one car will be doing all the mileage previously done in two cars. So they have the same risk, have to make the same payouts as last year, but now collect half the premium.

The solution !

Put up premiums again !

bogan

11th June 2010, 09:46

Anyone know what the deal would be with an electric bike? I put this question to the Kiwi Rider online zine but no reply. Since they have no cc rating, can you licence them as a moped?

sure can, did mine bout 18 months ago when I thought it was almost finished, almost ready to take it off hold again now. But anything registered as a moped is still subject to the power and speed restrictions 2kW and 50kmhr respectively.

NordieBoy

11th June 2010, 09:57

forget that... owners of things like the dr650 are hardly pleased...

35hp and 160kph max speed.

How much power and speed from a modern 125?

clint640

11th June 2010, 10:25

f650 owners must feel gutted, hp about the same as a 250 screamer?

Not as gutted as me with a 625cc KTM 640. Makes less than 1/2 the power of the R6 too. Solution is simple: rego on hold over winter. Or maybe I should go buy a 600 sprotsbike as they are much safer. It's bloody crazy that the average power of the bikes in the 500 - 600cc range is probably higher than those in the 600-700cc band.

Clint

MarkH

11th June 2010, 11:18

35hp and 160kph max speed.

Shit, that sounds dangerous - better get a CBR600RR or GSXR600 or R6 instead, much safer!

Tunahunter

11th June 2010, 12:58

up to 60cc $394.39
60-600cc $405-63
600cc and over $517-25
not nearly as bad as i thought but mopeds are dead

Does that include the new levy do you think?

ukusa

11th June 2010, 13:23

Shit, that sounds dangerous - better get a CBR600RR or GSXR600 or R6 instead, much safer!

yip, like my 85bhp 185km/h Thunderbird 1600. A 600 sprotsbike will eat me, they just won't look as cool :niceone:

slofox

11th June 2010, 13:30

Shit, that sounds dangerous - better get a CBR600RR or GSXR600 or R6 instead, much safer!

Which is exactly what I did. Sold the SV650S (50kw) and replaced it with a GSX-R600 (80kw). MUST be safer - the ACC levies are soooooo much lower...

slofox

11th June 2010, 13:30

Does that include the new levy do you think?

....Yes...

javawocky

11th June 2010, 13:35

Which is exactly what I did. Sold the SV650S (50kw) and replaced it with a GSX-R600 (80kw). MUST be safer - the ACC levies are soooooo much lower...

I went from the SV1000 (evil torque) to GSXR 600 (Safe as houses, little possibility of a crash) , but after a year on the thou without a single ticket I got a 100 in an 80 zone on Day 2 of owning Scarlet (and 20 licence loyalty points) ? Whats with that! I thought the 600's were must slower THUS safer?

Lets hope they don't start charging per KW :shutup:

miloking

11th June 2010, 14:18

Lets hope they don't start charging per KW :shutup:

I hope they dont i would be fcuked (114kW) ..oh wait its on hold anyway :)

but at least i dont own hayabusa or zx12 or something... that would be like million dollars a year in rego on those things.

ukusa

11th June 2010, 14:37

problem with this whole rego thing is this is the increase we got , supposedly a reduction from the original scaremonger $800/$900 a year they were talking. What they didn't tell us is the rest will more than likely come in over the next couple of years. You heard it here first.
Best thing to do is the rego on hold. If most people do it, the ACC will start to wonder why the fuck they ain't gettin any more revenue.

breakaway

12th June 2010, 10:43

I still love how there's no official information about what's happening posted up anywhere with DOLLAR figures on it, and everyone's having a fuckin bitch and a moan.

roogazza

12th June 2010, 12:11

Last year they retrospectively increased road user charges.

So if you had purchased 10,000 km at the old rate, and still had 8,000 of them unused, you had to take them back for a refund, and buy new ones at the new rate.

It would seem they can do anything they want !

Next year you will find another massive increase. The reason is simple. ACC have increased prices by (say) 65% for your class of vehicle. They are dim enough to have budgeted on getting 60-65% more revenue. But they wont. Some guys like me will simply ride with a WOF only.

But even the most law-abiding kiwis will try and save money. They will get rid of the second car, and just make do with one.

The problem is, that ACC face exactly the same risk as before, as that one car will be doing all the mileage previously done in two cars. So they have the same risk, have to make the same payouts as last year, but now collect half the premium.

The solution !

Put up premiums again !

So Davereid, whats the idea with riding with just the warrant and no reg? You going to just take the ticket for no reg ($200) and reduce the money paid if caught ? G.

HenryDorsetCase

12th June 2010, 17:09

Anyone know what the deal would be with an electric bike? I put this question to the Kiwi Rider online zine but no reply. Since they have no cc rating, can you licence them as a moped?

Its a bicycle innit, not requiring a licence? I seriously looked at a conversion kit for my schwinn (dont have the money yet) but it had a bunch of Li ion batteries and a 2kW electric motor good for 70kph apparently. Now does that sound like fun or what?

HenryDorsetCase

12th June 2010, 17:10

I still love how there's no official information about what's happening posted up anywhere with DOLLAR figures on it, and everyone's having a fuckin bitch and a moan.

its like how you moan just before you get raped in prison. You know its going to happen, you cant do anything about it, and yet you whimper in anticipation of excruciating pain and having to walk funny the rest of your days.

bogan

12th June 2010, 17:15

Its a bicycle innit, not requiring a licence? I seriously looked at a conversion kit for my schwinn (dont have the money yet) but it had a bunch of Li ion batteries and a 2kW electric motor good for 70kph apparently. Now does that sound like fun or what?

think 500W is the unlicensed limit, mind you if it looks like a bicycle i don't think the plod will pull you up on it regardless

NordieBoy

12th June 2010, 20:18

Its a bicycle innit, not requiring a licence? I seriously looked at a conversion kit for my schwinn (dont have the money yet) but it had a bunch of Li ion batteries and a 2kW electric motor good for 70kph apparently. Now does that sound like fun or what?

And with 2kW and > 50kph it's no longer a moped...

Wonder how they'd treat it?

rustyrobot

12th June 2010, 20:43

Its a bicycle innit, not requiring a licence?

Ah sorry, didn't make myself clear enough. I was meaning 'electric motorbike', like this one from NZ manufacturers Earthling EV (http://www.earthling.co.nz/16823.html)
210253
40HP at the back wheel with amazing torque, she commutes at highway speeds (130KM) with approx. 100KM range based on the best current battery technology and the way you ride. This pic is our first E-Bob completed with the "Li-ion Heart" Plug In battery packs, It Can run on main pack alone (280mm) 3.5KW or add topup packs (200mm x 1 or 2 @ 1.2KW each) for better range

bogan

12th June 2010, 20:51

Ah sorry, didn't make myself clear enough. I was meaning 'electric motorbike', like this one from NZ manufacturers Earthling EV (http://www.earthling.co.nz/16823.html)
210253
40HP at the back wheel with amazing torque, she commutes at highway speeds (130KM) with approx. 100KM range based on the best current battery technology and the way you ride. This pic is our first E-Bob completed with the "Li-ion Heart" Plug In battery packs, It Can run on main pack alone (280mm) 3.5KW or add topup packs (200mm x 1 or 2 @ 1.2KW each) for better range

then no, anything which is not restricted to 2kw AND 50kmhr, should be registered as a motorcycle. A guy in paraparaumu has done this (even found a link for ya! (http://www.astara.co.nz/Astara/Electric_motorcycle_project.html)), so it is possible to get them certed here.

miloking

13th June 2010, 02:53

its like how you moan just before you get raped in prison. You know its going to happen, you cant do anything about it, and yet you whimper in anticipation of excruciating pain and having to walk funny the rest of your days.

Just like that..and in this case we even all know when we are going to get raped (july 1st), we just dont know for sure by how many black cocks...thats all...

Eurodave

13th June 2010, 09:27

Yes. They say those are the "Common" ones. Doesn't include > 40 year old either, or diesel powered motorcycles (which do exist) A moped has to be < 50cc BTW, but the license cost has a break at < 61cc. Go figure.

So, what is the $$ for a bike 40 years old or older then?

avgas

13th June 2010, 10:02

Yeah I just about choked on it though. Both bikes are now $100 each more expensive.
The scary thing is that now the ACC from bike rego is now more expensive than my southern cross private insurance.........which also covers dental and sight!!!!!????
And that doesn't even count the payments from my income, the ACC in the car rego.......
Going to have to cancel the Southern cross, and put the second bikes rego on hold. I cant afford the few thousand I am paying for health cover - its cheaper to just scam the system and get whatever tickets come my way.

Also who the fuck is going to buy a scooter now?????

Quasievil

13th June 2010, 10:09

My Rego is going on hold, my insurance doesnt require a rego sticker, only the govt does and they can get fucked.
If I get a ticket then I get a ticket, last one was 6 years ago so Im thinking Im going to win on the deal.

im surprised how many "protestors" are falling into line tho.........................pussies

davereid

13th June 2010, 10:22

So Davereid, whats the idea with riding with just the warrant and no reg? You going to just take the ticket for no reg ($200) and reduce the money paid if caught ? G.

Well, its simple enough for me. I have 3 road legal motorcycles, and two cars that I don't bother to get rego for anymore. (My regos all ran out in October last year, when we were well aware of the proposed new fees, except.)

If I get a ticket I will pay it, Id prefer to do that than pay the bastards at ACC.

Lots of people at the Bikeoi said "I wont pay it", now they are just saying "waaa its expensive".

Is it working financially ?

So far, I have done 6000km on the Kawasaki including the Bert Monroe, when we rode around he entire South Is. I have done about 2000km on the BMW, and use the scooter every day for work. Neither car has done much mileage, they are post classic old girls who only get a run on a Sunday. In a few years they will be old enough for Classic rego, at which time I will rego them.

8 Months rego-less and fine-less.

Maybe my luck will change. Maybe the fine will go up. Maybe the police will get better technology to catch me. Then I might review things. But I'm a quiet rider, I don't attract attention to myself, and the two checkpoints I have seen rego less have been easily evaded.

Actually, in a perverse sort of way, I'm quite enjoying rocking past police while unregistered. I'll enjoy stopping a lot less I expect.

But even if I do decide to pay rego at some stage in the future, I will just reduce the size of my vehicle fleet to lower costs. This wont help ACC at all as they cover people, not vehicles. Their people risk will remain unchanged, its only the money they collect that will go down.

Savings :
Cars 2 @ $ 280 = $ 560
Scooter = $ 394
Bikes 2 @ $ 517 = $1034

TOTAL = $1988 per year.

I can afford the rego, its an issue of principle for me.