Pregnancy and motorcycling

[Lula]

Pregnancy and motorcycling has been discussed in this forum before but if you're interested in my experiences and findings check out my column in this months issue of Motorcycle Trader News to see the recommended (the June 2010 issue).

Can anyone guess what the medical experts recommend how many weeks is too many to still be riding whilst pregnant?

What are your thoughts or experiences with pregnancy and motorcycling?

[crazyhorse]

I sure wouldn't let it stop me in the early days. But would probably stop at such time that it was uncomfortable with a big belly and the tank in the way - or when the jacket wouldn't fit - or couldn't borrow a bigger one for sure. intersting thread though

[XxKiTtiExX]

Soon as I found out I was pregnant both times I stopped riding immediately (5 weeks gestation onward). Being a learner rider myself and not being fully confident in my own ability to ride I chose not to put my unborn child at further risk (those who know me well enough know why). On top of that all your ligaments loosen and relax, didn't want to slip trying to shift my bike and end up straining (have fallen over quite a few times with my bike). Had to give up work due to back and hip issues so I'm guessing that avoiding my bike at the end of the day was a wise move for me personally. I stuck to brisk waddling as my daily form of exercise and keeping myself mobile (they say you need to keep mobile and fit to help make labour easier).
Each to their own. Pregnancy and motorcycling wasn't/isn't for me.

[FJRider]

I imagine it's similar to the choice of taking a pillion or not. But the pillion does have a choice (usually) not to ride.

Even in a cage (seatbelt issues) ... risk elements are there ... Individual choice.

[XxKiTtiExX]

Even in a cage (seatbelt issues) ... risk elements are there ... Individual choice.

They have a seatbelt setup available to pregnant women (it doesn't strap across the stomach). That said you could slip over in the shower.

[FJRider]

That said you could slip over in the shower.

not a problem ... just have someone soft with you to land on .... :innocent:

[YellowDog]

We're 7 months gone. Riding still seems OK to me, though it does take her a little longer to get downstairs to push the button for the garage door.

I'm more concern about riding home after my forthcoming trip to see the vet :o

[sunhuntin]

i will never have kids, but i would give it up for the time required if the unthinkable did happen. wouldnt want to do anything to risk it, and biking is dangerous enough without adding a baby to the mix. i would do same if i drank and smoked... quit for the health of the baby.

[rie]

Can anyone guess what the medical experts recommend how many weeks is too many to still be riding whilst pregnant?



...when you can't reach the handlebars anymore?

[dangerous]

Pregnancy and motorcycling has been discussed in this forum before but if you're interested in my experiences and findings check out my column in this months issue of Motorcycle Trader News to see the recommended (the June 2010 issue).

Can anyone guess what the medical experts recommend how many weeks is too many to still be riding whilst pregnant?

What are your thoughts or experiences with pregnancy and motorcycling?post this column of yours up, lets here what ya have to say.
Both my sons not only rode to rallys etc but raced, the older (16months) not only beat me but lapped me... all this in mums tummy. You can arse up walking down ther drive, I watch smokers do that dirty shit right through pregnancy, that farking stinks... wana ride, then ride.

[Rashika]

really it comes down to how confident you are as a rider and just whether it feels ok to do.
I think both times i stopped simply due to not being able to do up my jacket/pants anymore and finding it harder to get my legs up on the pegs... mid/late 20 weeks sometime i think, well before 30 weeks anyway. I actually felt quite relaxed on the bike most of the time, so it gave me a nice way to unwind. The racing i stopped by about 13-14 weeks both times, little too much speed for 2 of us on board and harder to move on the bike
Though i did keep bicycling till 32 weeks both times, so still on the road, just not as fast! In fact very bloody slow by the end!

[Hitcher]

I've had my waters break a couple of times out riding. I don't see why it should be any more dangerous for pregnant women, as long as they can get their protective equipment securely in place.

[Crazy Steve]

post this column of yours up, lets here what ya have to say.

Why don't you buy the Motorcycle Trader magazine, or read it online in July when its posted on their website. It can be found under the News & Reviews section where you'll find her column called Heels on Wheels ! !

Crazy Steve.

[helenoftroy]

really it comes down to how confident you are as a rider and just whether it feels ok to do.
I think both times i stopped simply due to not being able to do up my jacket/pants anymore and finding it harder to get my legs up on the pegs... mid/late 20 weeks sometime i think, well before 30 weeks anyway. I actually felt quite relaxed on the bike most of the time, so it gave me a nice way to unwind. The racing i stopped by about 13-14 weeks both times, little too much speed for 2 of us on board and harder to move on the bike
Though i did keep bicycling till 32 weeks both times, so still on the road, just not as fast! In fact very bloody slow by the end!

It was a long time ago! but I was the same as Rashika...when pregnant with my firstborn I rode untill 28wks when I could'nt do my jacket up anymore.

There was a plus to the extra weight tho,way easier to kick the Thumper into life(Honda XL500):yes:
Did stop riding off road from about 14wks

[MsKABC]

I stopped almost immediately. I wouldn't have been able to get my jacket done up for very long, and I'm an ATGATT kinda girl. For me, it wasn't just the possibility of harming the baby, but also the chance of doing myself an injury (such as a broken pelvis) that would make pregnancy difficult. It's only a short time, and it wasn't worth the risk to me. I fell pregnant at the same time I got my full licence though, so my 250 was sold and we didn't get me another bike until my son was almost a year old. If I were to have another child, I'd probably do the same, but be back on the bike again sooner. Each to their own though.

[flyingcrocodile46]

If I was pregnant I'd have a lot more to worry about than whether it was ok to ride a bike.

[Gone Burger]

I have thought about this topic on occasions, and guess I wouldn't know what my opinion is until I was in the situation. I do know that being on a bike makes me the happiest I have ever been, but perhaps if I was pregnant on eday, that might would make me happier? I would of course be concerned about having an accident and not just putting myself at risk. But can't really say how I feel about it until I have been there.. one day, will be interesting to see my views at the time.

[bikemike]

My wife rode until sometime in 5th month with our first. She came home from a spin one day whilst I was at work and said 'that's it, no more riding 'til after the baby arrives'. Still waiting to get her some new wheels, though with number two just arrived, it'll be a while!

I reckon if you are worried about it don't do it.

If you aren't and you can get the gear on and ride without discomfort or distraction it can't be any better or worse for you than any other activity that we worry too much about these days.

[R-Soul]

My wife quit immediately after hearing about her pregnancy (our third). I would not want it any other way. She had just got her learners, and was not confident.

As a dad I feel quite strongly about it. I know that it is more dangerous than driving in car, and as a leaner, there are evenmore things to worry about. Having said that, I would not take my 4 year old on a bike with me, while others would. I guess each to their own.

If you aren't pregnant and something happens, it is your life , your risk, your decision, and you have more chance to survive, being big and adult enough to take a few knocks. But if you are pregnant, and something does happen, and your child is brain damaged or killed, you will not just lose a bike, or even JUST an arm or leg. You will probably lose your marriage (I would find it difficult to forgive my wife if she put our kid in harms way that could be avoided in the first place), and most importantly your future. And definitely your sanity, because you would be blaming yourself for the rest of your life, when it could have been avoided.

I will probably get shredded for this, but DONT DO IT!

[Little Miss Trouble]

My wife quit immediately after hearing about her pregnancy (our third). I would not want it any other way. She had just got her learners, and was not confident.

As a dad I feel quite strongly about it. I know that it is more dangerous than driving in car, and as a leaner, there are evenmore things to worry about. Having said that, I would not take my 4 year old on a bike with me, while others would. I guess each to their own.

If you aren't pregnant and something happens, it is your life , your risk, your decision, and you have more chance to survive, being big and adult enough to take a few knocks. But if you are pregnant, and something does happen, and your child is brain damaged or killed, you will not just lose a bike, or even JUST an arm or leg. You will probably lose your marriage (I would find it difficult to forgive my wife if she put our kid in harms way that could be avoided in the first place), and most importantly your future. And definitely your sanity, because you would be blaming yourself for the rest of your life, when it could have been avoided.

I will probably get shredded for this, but DONT DO IT!

Obviously an ignorant male point of view. I expected nothing less from you of course.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Obviously an ignorant male point of view. I expected nothing less from you of course.

The ignorance lies with the person who denies the validity of his point of view.

[Little Miss Trouble]

The ignorance lies with the person who denies the validity of his point of view.

I don't deny that the initial part of his point of view is completely valid...

It is the second scare mongering part that I took exception to

[Virago]

...But if you are pregnant, and something does happen, and your child is brain damaged or killed, you will not just lose a bike, or even JUST an arm or leg. You will probably lose your marriage (I would find it difficult to forgive my wife if she put our kid in harms way that could be avoided in the first place), and most importantly your future. And definitely your sanity, because you would be blaming yourself for the rest of your life, when it could have been avoided.

I will probably get shredded for this, but DONT DO IT!

Perceived risk is subjective, and is an issue for parents to discuss together. But the archaic "barefoot and pregnant" approach is still around, it seems.

I would suspect that most relationships would rise above the level of punitive threats regarding accident consequences, and instead be a matter for respectful negotiation. Perhaps your marriage vows were different to others?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Bugger the marriage vows.
I got a pre-nup in which SWMBO'd agreed to obey my every command and whim.

Fuck all good that did.

[rie]

...You will probably lose your marriage (I would find it difficult to forgive my wife if she put our kid in harms way that could be avoided in the first place), and most importantly your future. And definitely your sanity, because you would be blaming yourself for the rest of your life, when it could have been avoided.

I would have thought the dangers of this happening could occur from anything. Maybe from a car accident. Bus accident. Inhaling fumes from walking down the street.

So basically, pregnant women are safe from a lifetime of torment and blame if they were locked away at home and pad themselves in cotton. (But then, the house could burn down...)

I think that R-Soul is actually saying the same thing as everybody else (although it is worded rather controversially). It's a subjective decision, based on calculated risk, based on personal comfort. Lula asked about what a doctor would say - which is related to this subjective calculation of risk.

[Grubber]

i will never have kids, but i would give it up for the time required if the unthinkable did happen. wouldnt want to do anything to risk it, and biking is dangerous enough without adding a baby to the mix. i would do same if i drank and smoked... quit for the health of the baby.

Ok well thats a bit too sad for me. What a bugger in all seriousness.

[R-Soul]

Perceived risk is subjective, and is an issue for parents to discuss together. But the archaic "barefoot and pregnant" approach is still around, it seems.

I would suspect that most relationships would rise above the level of punitive threats regarding accident consequences, and instead be a matter for respectful negotiation. Perhaps your marriage vows were different to others?

They were not punitive threats- they were an honest expression of my feelings. Luckily for me, they matched my wifes feelings and she said she would feel the same way if roles were reversed. We have matching objectives - one of them being doing all we can to ensure that our kids are happy and healthy. And biking with them (born or unborn) falls way short of that standard.

But yes, it is all about calculated risk. My risk management experience has taught me that you look at two things:
1) the probability of the risky event happeneing,
2) as well as the effect of the risked event happening

You multiply these to get a weighted assessment. If it has an extreme effect, but very low probability (eg getting shot in an armed robbery) , its probably OK. And the same if it has a low effect, but a reasonable chance of it happening (eg kids falling off a swing). There are also some things that you just cannot avoid, like driving, so you get on with life, while driving carefully (which you do anyway) - but at least you know you have some effective protection around you.

In this case, it is (subjectively for me anyway) a high probablity on the first question (and the probablitity threshold is pretty low for such a question), and the answer is "life-changing-freakishly-bad" on the second. So a high probabiliity of the unthinkable happening. Thats why I was very supportive when my wife decided to steer clear of riding for a while.

I know you girls will all be up in arms about womans freedom of choice etc. You asked the queston - I was giving my perspective from a logical point of view. Dont shoot the messenger.

[R-Soul]

Obviously an ignorant male point of view. I expected nothing less from you of course.

See my post on risk management- nothing ignorant about it - but I expected nothing more than very little thought from you.

"Hey if it feels good, do it ...."

[R-Soul]

I don't deny that the initial part of his point of view is completely valid...

It is the second scare mongering part that I took exception to

Its hardly scare mongering- it is setting out my imagining of how a normal, intelligent, rational (i.e. not you) person would probably react to a worst case scenario - a scenario that is not hugely low on probability.

So because I set out a realistic scenario of what life would be like after a worst case scenario (tell me its not realistic), I am scare mongering? Perhaps some on this thread had not fully applied their mind to this question or considered this aspect properly- if this helps them think about all aspects more clearly, then its a good thing. At the end of the day they can still make their own decisions about it.

[R-Soul]

i will never have kids, but i would give it up for the time required if the unthinkable did happen. wouldnt want to do anything to risk it, and biking is dangerous enough without adding a baby to the mix. i would do same if i drank and smoked... quit for the health of the baby.

Now to my mind, every one should have your attitude- we never know when this gift could be taken away. We should treat it as teh most precious thing we have ever received. To my mind ANY probability of significant risk is too high.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Well I for one have thoroughly thought through this scenario and my choice would still be the same, I would continue to ride for as long as I felt safe/it was practical and I would expect my partner to support my decision - because we would have to already have very similar train of thought on risk assessment and of course on parenting as well, otherwise what the hell would we be doing having children together?!

[Rashika]

Well I for one have thoroughly thought through this scenario and my choice would still be the same, I would continue to ride for as long as I felt safe/it was practical and I would expect my partner to support my decision - because we would have to already have very similar train of thought on risk assessment and of course on parenting as well, otherwise what the hell would we be doing having children together?!

yes, as was mine after having considered all the possibilities.


Its hardly scare mongering- it is setting out my imagining of how a normal, intelligent, rational (i.e. not you) person would probably react to a worst case scenario - a scenario that is not hugely low on probability.

So because I set out a realistic scenario of what life would be like after a worst case scenario (tell me its not realistic), I am scare mongering? Perhaps some on this thread had not fully applied their mind to this question or considered this aspect properly- if this helps them think about all aspects more clearly, then its a good thing. At the end of the day they can still make their own decisions about it.
Risk assessment is entirely subjective: and i guess in your wife's case high risk due to her being a learner, but in many other riders cases that risk would be much lower due to much better skills & experience.
3 pregnancies later and I rode during all and would do so again, but I have many years riding experience and dont take undue risks (not something most blokes can understand ;) ) and it was also not something I was doing everyday so the opportunity for injury was a lot lower. I guess you have to weigh gain vs loss, mental wellbeing means a lot to a pregnant woman and for me, being able to ride my bike occasionally gave me a vast sense of happiness.
And yes i have been through the pain of a baby loss so believe me when i say i DO know what i am taking about in that regards.

In fact I had more risk on my pushbike out of the flow of traffic due to some idiot throwing something at me at 6am on the way to work!

ahh didn't want to get into this, but just had to say something ;)
And you are welcome to your opinion R-Soul, but remember its just your opinion.

[flyingcrocodile46]

dont take undue risks (not something most blokes can understand )

A bit late for that sort of advice now innit?:laugh:

[kit]

Its hardly scare mongering- it is setting out my imagining of how a normal, intelligent, rational (i.e. not you) person would probably react to a worst case scenario - a scenario that is not hugely low on probability.

So because I set out a realistic scenario of what life would be like after a worst case scenario (tell me its not realistic), I am scare mongering? Perhaps some on this thread had not fully applied their mind to this question or considered this aspect properly- if this helps them think about all aspects more clearly, then its a good thing. At the end of the day they can still make their own decisions about it.


Just wondering.... as a father is it ok for you to put your life at risk, getting on a bike with the potential to be left brain damaged, maybe dead, maybe paralysed.... and leaving your children without a father. Is that any different than a woman riding pregnant?

[sunhuntin]

Ok well thats a bit too sad for me. What a bugger in all seriousness.

not sad at all. right now, we have my brothers 3 kids with us almost full time. i have never wanted kids, i value my lifestyle too much plus i would make a shit mother. but having his 3 little shits here is the best contraception in the world. i said to mum the other week [as she is the primary caregiver and gets no thanks for it] arent you glad im not having kids? and she said yes. a year or so ago, she would be me complaining about me not having any. now, its a relief.
if i could afford it, i would get all my baby making bits removed. as its too dear, i am instead single and quite happy to remain that.

[Little Miss Trouble]

Kit makes a good point, I know a couple who would not travel on the same bike when their children were growing up. Their thought being should the unthinkable happen, the kids wouldn't lose both parents. Now the kids are grown she is happy to be able to ride on the back with hubby again :)

[R-Soul]

yes, as was mine after having considered all the possibilities.


Risk assessment is entirely subjective: and i guess in your wife's case high risk due to her being a learner, but in many other riders cases that risk would be much lower due to much better skills & experience.
3 pregnancies later and I rode during all and would do so again, but I have many years riding experience and dont take undue risks (not something most blokes can understand ;) ) and it was also not something I was doing everyday so the opportunity for injury was a lot lower. I guess you have to weigh gain vs loss, mental wellbeing means a lot to a pregnant woman and for me, being able to ride my bike occasionally gave me a vast sense of happiness.
And yes i have been through the pain of a baby loss so believe me when i say i DO know what i am taking about in that regards.

In fact I had more risk on my pushbike out of the flow of traffic due to some idiot throwing something at me at 6am on the way to work!

ahh didn't want to get into this, but just had to say something ;)
And you are welcome to your opinion R-Soul, but remember its just your opinion.

I never once said otherwise...

[R-Soul]

Just wondering.... as a father is it ok for you to put your life at risk, getting on a bike with the potential to be left brain damaged, maybe dead, maybe paralysed.... and leaving your children without a father. Is that any different than a woman riding pregnant?

Fair comment. I agonise over this every day, and have considered stopping.

However, ther are practical factors involved (being able to get to work for one). I have a bit of experience and dont consider myself a learner. I also dont take "undue risks' - I ride like a granny and get shredded for it by my mates.

Also the risk does not directly threaten my kids well being, and I have a LOT of life insurace (just in case).
And the fact is that the risk will be there for life - not just 9 months. So at the end of the day, you decide about how you want to live your life - do you limit yourself for the rest of your life ad cower ina corner? I am noty sure that is how I would want to teach my kids how to live either.

I would not take kids with me on a bike, as I could not live with myself if something should happen to them. But when they are old enough - I hope that they will be confident enough in themselves to live how they want to.

[dangerous]

Just wondering.... as a father is it ok for you to put your life at risk, getting on a bike with the potential to be left brain damaged, maybe dead, maybe paralysed.... and leaving your children without a father. Is that any different than a woman riding pregnant?

Fair comment. I agonise over this every day, and have considered stopping.ohh fark... beter not get out of bed either... ohh shit yeah ya beter the roof might fall in...

You said further back you would not forgive the beter half if she lost a baby while riding... what about in a car crash... or if she triped over or out the door?
IMO SFA differance between these situations, cotton wool, its over rated ;)


ps: the tags added below are awful and unnecessary (from a dad that has lost a son)

[alley cat]

ohh fark... beter not get out of bed either... ohh shit yeah ya beter the roof might fall in...



Dangerous by name, dangerous by nature. kidding. If you are a confident rider, riide as long as you can i think. Im sure babys enjoy it!!!! Happy mum, Happy kid.

[Rashika]

I will probably get shredded for this, but DONT DO IT!
this is more than just your opinion, this is actually telling people what to do



I would not take kids with me on a bike, as I could not live with myself if something should happen to them. But when they are old enough - I hope that they will be confident enough in themselves to live how they want to.
I can understand that and will have to decide how I feel about that at some point.
Everyone will feel strongly about this I guess, and I would definately not berate any woman for deciding the risk is too great, but ultimately it comes down to how each mum-to-be feels about it, what we say probably wont really change that

[kit]

ohh fark... beter not get out of bed either... ohh shit yeah ya beter the roof might fall in...

You said further back you would not forgive the beter half if she lost a baby while riding... what about in a car crash... or if she triped over or out the door?
IMO SFA differance between these situations, cotton wool, its over rated ;)


ps: the tags added below are awful and unnecessary (from a dad that has lost a son)


+1 Ya can't spend your life waiting for what might or might not happen. I know being pregnant wouldn't stop me from riding, what would stop me from riding is being too bloody uncomfortable, and the urge to stop an pee all the time.....

[R-Soul]

this is more than just your opinion, this is actually telling people what to do

How can this possibly be interpreted as being more than my opinion?

OK - In my opinion - DONT DO IT
(I would have thought that this was obviously my opinion? It obviously is not a factual scientific kind of answer to a factual scientific kind of question)


I can understand that and will have to decide how I feel about that at some point.
Everyone will feel strongly about this I guess, and I would definately not berate any woman for deciding the risk is too great, but ultimately it comes down to how each mum-to-be feels about it, what we say probably wont really change that

I think that there may be many mum-to-be's that are on the fence. If what I say (sorry, my opinion) rings true with them and/or makes them think about it in ways that they had not previously considered, then my job on this formum is done...

[R-Soul]

ohh fark... beter not get out of bed either... ohh shit yeah ya beter the roof might fall in...

You said further back you would not forgive the beter half if she lost a baby while riding... what about in a car crash... or if she triped over or out the door?
IMO SFA differance between these situations, cotton wool, its over rated ;)


ps: the tags added below are awful and unnecessary (from a dad that has lost a son)

You did not bother reading the rest of the post (on risk management) did you? Everyone has a threshold where the probability of something happening is too high, or the effect of that happening is too high. In MY OPINION, the probability and effect of a pregnant woman coming off and damaging baby and herself is past my *personal* threshold (and thankfully my wife's).


And I have no idea what you are talking about re "tags"? do you mean my signature underneath?

[XxKiTtiExX]

You did not bother reading the rest of the post (on risk management) did you? Everyone has a threshold where the probability of something happening is too high, or the effect of that happening is too high. In MY OPINION, the probability and effect of a pregnant woman coming off and damaging baby and herself is past my *personal* threshold (and thankfully my wife's).


And I have no idea what you are talking about re "tags"? do you mean my signature underneath?

The tags have been removed. They were posted by other members. Pretty disguisting tags if you ask me. Makes you wonder about those who actually put them there. Hope they aren't/never become parents if they think distastefull comments like that are amusing.

Understand where are you coming from. Everyone has what they would or wouldn't consider high risk. High risk for me during my pregnancies happened to be riding my motorbike, and lifting anything heavy. That said I avoided stuff like that yet almost took a tumble down a stairway at work. Each to their own. Easy for people to say that they would forgive their wife/partner if the unthinkable happened but at the end of the day grief does strange things to some people, and they may or may not react in the way that they originally assumed that they would.

Flame away.

[rachprice]

To be honest I dont think I will have children, but if I was pregnant I dont think I would ride and in my opinion others shouldn't either.

It isn't about the risk to you, it is the risk to your unborn child. For sure there is risk in every day life but why not minimise the risk of hurting your baby as much as possible??

It is not about losing the parent but the risk to the child, a risk they don't have the choice to remove themselves from

And about people who smoke while pregnant etc, quoting other bad things doesn't in my mind make this bad thing any less bad

I guess studying this shit, I know all too well all the things that can go wrong.

It is my only my opinion, and while I think it im not going to go ranting and raving to people who do

[R-Soul]

The tags have been removed. They were posted by other members. Pretty disguisting tags if you ask me. Makes you wonder about those who actually put them there. Hope they aren't/never become parents if they think distastefull comments like that are amusing.

Understand where are you coming from. Everyone has what they would or wouldn't consider high risk. High risk for me during my pregnancies happened to be riding my motorbike, and lifting anything heavy. That said I avoided stuff like that yet almost took a tumble down a stairway at work. Each to their own. Easy for people to say that they would forgive their wife/partner if the unthinkable happened but at the end of the day grief does strange things to some people, and they may or may not react in the way that they originally assumed that they would.

Flame away.

Well said. I was honest with my wife and I think she appreciated it.

EDIT: Put i t this way: better I tell her about my potential reactions before the fact, rather than after...

[bittertwistedcute]

Knuckles are draggin around here...
best the little women don't drive, work, leave the house, eat anything from the deli - hang on ust don't eat anything you haven't prepared/grown/killed yourself LOL
It is fine to research and have opinions, it is NOT ok to tell people what to do "don't......"
I worked during my pregnancies and took babies to work until they started needing more stimulation than the environment would allow (around 4/5 months)
That was my choice and my opinion - I don't think it should be applied to anyone other than myself, if someone feels they shouldn't work/drive/ride/eat salami at any point during THEIR pregnancy so be it.
RSoul - you have some good posts but on this issue you are coming across as a prehistoric muppet : ) I am glad that you and your partner agree, but having had a baby die during pregnancy makes me respond with sadness to any husband who could predictively blame a woman for miscarrying

[DIN PELENDA]

Why don't you buy the Motorcycle Trader magazine, or read it online in July when its posted on their website. It can be found under the News & Reviews section where you'll find her column called Heels on Wheels ! !

Crazy Steve.
Nice read mate, even tho as I was reading I start having "sharing morning sickens ":sick: lol.
Congratulation to you , I didn't even know you were pregnant , I was wondering why was your tummy getting bigger last time I seeing you and why you not coming to rides any more.
When is baby due and when is baby bath :apint::drinknsin:drinkup: , if you busy bro we can have one at my place for you :wari::rockon::Punk:?

[R-Soul]

Knuckles are draggin around here...
best the little women don't drive, work, leave the house, eat anything from the deli - hang on ust don't eat anything you haven't prepared/grown/killed yourself LOL
It is fine to research and have opinions, it is NOT ok to tell people what to do "don't......"
I worked during my pregnancies and took babies to work until they started needing more stimulation than the environment would allow (around 4/5 months)
That was my choice and my opinion - I don't think it should be applied to anyone other than myself, if someone feels they shouldn't work/drive/ride/eat salami at any point during THEIR pregnancy so be it.
RSoul - you have some good posts but on this issue you are coming across as a prehistoric muppet : ) I am glad that you and your partner agree, but having had a baby die during pregnancy makes me respond with sadness to any husband who could predictively blame a woman for miscarrying

I believe that your previous experience (ps my condolences) may make you very sensitive to what I was saying, and reading stuff in that I was not saying.

"Miscarriage" is not somthing that I would blame my wife for at all - nature is nature and nothing can be done about it. But intentionally putting my child in harms way when it could easily be avoided would make me question the values of the person that I chose to spend my life with.

And lets face it - nine months is but the blink of an eye in the age of the universe...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Seems a pity that when opinions are asked for, those sharing theirs are near damned for daring to have one that is out of sync with those held by the majority. Some of you ladies need to accept that some people have opinions that don't align with yours and that their reasoning behind their opinions is as valid (for them) as yours is to you.

Personally I think it is fine to ride while pregnant.. period.
However I do acknowledge that there is an increased risk involved (as there is for riding a bike rather than catching a bus irrespective of pregnancy) and that it is up to the individuals most directly concerned (equally mother and father) to figure out whether there are any unacceptable factors involved (as determined by their own reasonable or unreasonable fears and concerns). It is them that must live with any potential consequences so it should be their criteria that they use to make their decisions (not the opinions of other people).

What is the point in attempting to justify your own views on the matter if in doing so, someone else is put under peer pressure to put themselves in a situation that their own state of mind is not naturally geared to deal with. We all have different views on the matter and no one persons views are right for other people.

[Rashika]

To be honest I dont think I will have children, but if I was pregnant I dont think I would ride and in my opinion others shouldn't either.

It isn't about the risk to you, it is the risk to your unborn child. For sure there is risk in every day life but why not minimise the risk of hurting your baby as much as possible??

It is not about losing the parent but the risk to the child, a risk they don't have the choice to remove themselves from

And about people who smoke while pregnant etc, quoting other bad things doesn't in my mind make this bad thing any less bad

I guess studying this shit, I know all too well all the things that can go wrong.

It is my only my opinion, and while I think it im not going to go ranting and raving to people who do

so you are another one telling people what they should or shouldn't do.
Do you honestly think that pregnant women dont see a possible risk to them and their unborn child? of course there is more risk, life is all about risks. Being 40 and pregnant is risky as you probably know through your study, does it stop us doing it?? No ferkin way
R-soul has it correct : it is about risk assessment and only the pregnant woman can decide that for themselves based on their experience and how they feel about it.

I bet the mum in the people mover who crashed into the fence 2 houses along from mine 2 days ago didn't really believe that her son would speed round the corner in the rain with her in the van either... but he did.. and they were lucky they only rolled into the fence and not into the bedroom, where a young baby was sleeping. Unlikely scenario? it happened, so no matter what we believe just being alive is risky.
You really aren't comparing smoking with riding are you? SERIOUSLY??
yep we can wrap ourselves up in cotton wool or we can carry on enjoying life as we see fit. Being pregnant is no reason to deny ourselves everything, ride if you feel up to it and dont if you dont. Individuals choice.

yeah I'm sure someone will say the baby doesn't have a choice, and you are correct... at this point they dont. We have to decide for them and just hope that we decide correctly, for now and the next few years

[Rashika]

And lets face it - nine months is but the blink of an eye in the age of the universe...
says a non pregnant male! ;) Pisstake! dont flame me ;)

[R-Soul]

says a non pregnant male! ;) Pisstake! dont flame me ;)

hehe my wife would flame me if she saw that...

I know it seems awfully long for her. But in the big schme of things, its not so long. At least, not compared to a lifetime of regret.


But seriously, the OP asked for our opinions. I gave mine (from a doting daddy's perspective). If people were not inteested in my views, they would not be reading this thread. So you are being a little silly criticising me for giving mine, when that is the whole intention of the thread.

There is no way that me giving reasons why I feel that way can be constued as being anything other than my opinion.

You obviously feel that riding is the right side of your personal threshold, and I dont. I have said why, and you have, well, not really given any reasons at all (except flaming me). And I appreciate that its because there aren't any reasons (except maybe happy mum, happy baby).

[R-Soul]

You really aren't comparing smoking with riding are you? SERIOUSLY??
You are right - biking is probably a damn sight more dangerous than smoking... at least smoking allows babies to develop in a more restricted way, while a bike accident would be more likely to just stop it.

You have seen the stats spouted by ACC - 16 times more likely to have an accident, overrepresentation in fatalities and serious injuries, MOST bike accidents are from the riders loss of control, etccc, etc....

It beggars belief (for me) why you would want to make the life of your child dependent on whether a nice asian lady driving a four by four bothered to look properly before pulling out. What I am saying is that stupid, small, innocous mistakes by car drivers can have huge consequencews for bikers. When we are big, we can survive (most of) these. But when we are small, then not so much. Also (and I am not a doctor) it seems to make sense to me that when a foetus is and in the developmental stages, a small bit of damage can snowball.


yep we can wrap ourselves up in cotton wool or we can carry on enjoying life as we see fit. Being pregnant is no reason to deny ourselves everything, ride if you feel up to it and dont if you dont. Individuals choice.

yeah I'm sure someone will say the baby doesn't have a choice, and you are correct... at this point they dont. We have to decide for them and just hope that we decide correctly, for now and the next few years

So then at what point would the risk be too great for you?

[XxKiTtiExX]

You are right - biking is probably a damn sight more dangerous than smoking... at least smoking allows babies to develop in a more restricted way, while a bike accident would be more likely to just stop it.


Smoking doesn't just restrict developement, it increases the risk of SID during the first 6 months after the baby is born (boys already being higher risk than girls).

[rachprice]

so you are another one telling people what they should or shouldn't do.
Do you honestly think that pregnant women dont see a possible risk to them and their unborn child? of course there is more risk, life is all about risks. Being 40 and pregnant is risky as you probably know through your study, does it stop us doing it?? No ferkin way
R-soul has it correct : it is about risk assessment and only the pregnant woman can decide that for themselves based on their experience and how they feel about it.

I bet the mum in the people mover who crashed into the fence 2 houses along from mine 2 days ago didn't really believe that her son would speed round the corner in the rain with her in the van either... but he did.. and they were lucky they only rolled into the fence and not into the bedroom, where a young baby was sleeping. Unlikely scenario? it happened, so no matter what we believe just being alive is risky.
You really aren't comparing smoking with riding are you? SERIOUSLY??
yep we can wrap ourselves up in cotton wool or we can carry on enjoying life as we see fit. Being pregnant is no reason to deny ourselves everything, ride if you feel up to it and dont if you dont. Individuals choice.

yeah I'm sure someone will say the baby doesn't have a choice, and you are correct... at this point they dont. We have to decide for them and just hope that we decide correctly, for now and the next few years

No Im not, like I said it is my opinion, just because i don't agree with it doesn't mean Im going to go ranting and raving at people who decide that.

I wouldn't have a child at 40 either, thats MY opinion
No I wasn't comparing smoking to it, someone else was

In my opinion I think the risk is too great, I believe that when a woman gets pregnant she takes on a huge responsibility, everything she does affects or can affect the baby

I know being alive is risky, but why chose to do a risky activity, why increase the risk on top of regular old risk of living when you are carrying something that depends on everything you do??
I just don't agree with it, you can and thats fine, thats your opinion, doens't mean I have to, or will change my mind.

[Sis]

OK I can't help myself.... just going to have to put my opinion.
Well actually it is more than that
It's my experience.
Had three kids. Rode trial (off road for you youngsters out there) bikes back then. Found that because the body was making all my ligaments or whatever soft and stretchy, it was like I was a bag of jelly and I hardly ever rode while i was pregnant or for a few months after either, until my body tightened up.
I didn't like the lack of control.

[NordieBoy]

Mum raced karts 'till she couldn't do up her leather jacket when pregnant with my brother.

[dangerous]

I wouldn't have a child at 40 either Well I hope life pans out the way you plan (pound to a knob a goat shit it dos'nt) You are young and have no idea whats in store for you, we never had the choice of having a sprog or 2 before the age of 40, so we took the chance... and it paid off.


You are right - biking is probably a damn sight more dangerous than smoking... at least smoking allows babies to develop in a more restricted way, YA FUCKING SHITTING ME... you need to do some reading pal.

Im out a here...

[rachprice]

Well I hope life pans out the way you plan (pound to a knob a goat shit it dos'nt) You are young and have no idea whats in store for you, we never had the choice of having a sprog or 2 before the age of 40, so we took the chance... and it paid off.


Thats fine dude and Im glad it did work out for you

Still doesn't make me think any differently, I didn't say it was wrong, I said I wouldn't do it. I have never had the desire for children.

I am young? so obviously I have no idea what to think and what I want? I know life can throw you some curve balls but Im sick to death of people telling me I will change my mind or just because Im young Im wrong. My opinion is valid and while I respect those older than me have a lot of life experience I don't, there are a few people older than me that aren't as mature/responsible and on to it than I am. I know some young people are retards but not all of us are!

[rachprice]

You are right - biking is probably a damn sight more dangerous than smoking...




I wouldn't go that far!!

[R-Soul]

Well I hope life pans out the way you plan (pound to a knob a goat shit it dos'nt) You are young and have no idea whats in store for you, we never had the choice of having a sprog or 2 before the age of 40, so we took the chance... and it paid off.

YA FUCKING SHITTING ME... you need to do some reading pal.



Its very difficult t compare relative danger vbetween riding and smoking, because their nature is very different. BUT put in the context of this discussion:

With smoking, it eventually kills 1 in 2 smokers (yeah hectic, I know). But it doesnt do that to babies while they are still in the mom. It may just hamper their growth (and increase risk of sids).

I would think that its fair to say that 1 in 2 bikers crash *sometime* - and it could be anytime - in fact especially when the biker happens to be pregnant, with them being more clumsy/ungainly (sorry girls- it sounds bad but I dont know how else to say it), as well as "baby brain" with its assocaited lack of concentration.

A crash while pregnant has way more deadly potential consequences, depending on the crash.

[R-Soul]

I know some young people are retards but not all of us are!

No, you are. I know this because I was young once. We were all retards...:bleh::rolleyes:

[R-Soul]

Mum raced karts 'till she couldn't do up her leather jacket when pregnant with my brother.

Even karts are safer - you need to be less agile on a kart as riding is more of a whole body experience. Karts also have more traction, and are less likely to highside/lowside or slide out on diesel. Karts are also ridden on track (much safer environment).

[Goblin]

Pregnancy and motorcycling has been discussed in this forum before but if you're interested in my experiences and findings check out my column in this months issue of Motorcycle Trader News to see the recommended (the June 2010 issue).

Can anyone guess what the medical experts recommend how many weeks is too many to still be riding whilst pregnant?

What are your thoughts or experiences with pregnancy and motorcycling?Good read Lula and congrats! Who's the Daddy?

Another here who rode right up until I couldnt fit my jacket. With the first I had an unfortunate incident with a tandem trailer but didnt actually fall off. Had a flat tyre on one ride, which I put down to "signs" to give it up. Ignored the signs then lost my licence due to demerits 3 months before due date. :slap:
With my boys I didnt ride as long cos they were bigger and more of a pain in the arse. It's up to the individual.

[NordieBoy]

Even karts are safer - you need to be less agile on a kart as riding is more of a whole body experience. Karts also have more traction, and are less likely to highside/lowside or slide out on diesel. Karts are also ridden on track (much safer environment).

You've never seen a kart race have you?

[Cheshire Cat]

Fair comment. I agonise over this every day, and have considered stopping.

However, ther are practical factors involved (being able to get to work for one). I have a bit of experience and dont consider myself a learner. I also dont take "undue risks' - I ride like a granny and get shredded for it by my mates.

Also the risk does not directly threaten my kids well being, and I have a LOT of life insurace (just in case).
And the fact is that the risk will be there for life - not just 9 months. So at the end of the day, you decide about how you want to live your life - do you limit yourself for the rest of your life ad cower ina corner? I am noty sure that is how I would want to teach my kids how to live either.

I would not take kids with me on a bike, as I could not live with myself if something should happen to them. But when they are old enough - I hope that they will be confident enough in themselves to live how they want to.

Live a little!
I turned out just fine!:rockon::devil2:

[Cheshire Cat]

Even karts are safer - you need to be less agile on a kart as riding is more of a whole body experience. Karts also have more traction, and are less likely to highside/lowside or slide out on diesel. Karts are also ridden on track (much safer environment).

And here we have another know-it-all from the shore.

[R-Soul]

You've never seen a kart race have you?

i hav to admit I was not thinking about actual racing- just driving them. I guess racing could be pretty violent... my bad..

[R-Soul]

Live a little!
I turned out just fine!:rockon::devil2:

I am - I have a bike dont I?

[007XX]

Personally, I think it not only depends on the individual rider but also on how the pregnancy is going.
Rode til I was 25 weeks pregnant with my son, but with my daughter i stopped riding after about 13 weeks. The second pregnancy was affecting my balance and reaction times: I arsed off coming down some stairs and fell flat on my back right in front of my hubby. Scared the crap out of us and got a big bruise on my spine but obviously baby was just fine.

When we saw how much damage could be done at walking speed, we were just not prepared to take the risk of potentially harming our baby just for the sake of riding for a couple of months.

It's a personal decision, full stop.

[Jonno.]

When I found out my wife was pregnant I said; no riding on the bike. She agreed 100% although if she hadn't I would have still said no, much like if she decided she wanted to take up smoking methamphetamine while pregnant (although I wouldn't stay with her long).

Being hit by a bus -> uncontrollable
Riding a motorcycle -> controllable (and yes a car is much safer, don't kid yourself).

If child birth is such an imposition on you, perhaps you should get an animal instead.

[Goblin]

When I found out my wife was pregnant I said; no riding on the bike. She agreed 100% although if she hadn't I would have still said no, much like if she decided she wanted to take up smoking methamphetamine while pregnant (although I wouldn't stay with her long).And if she wanted to ride while pregnant, how would you have stopped her? Threaten divorce?? Comparing riding while pregnant with smoking crack is just fucked up. She should divorce you for being shuch a numpty.


Being hit by a bus -> uncontrollable
Riding a motorcycle -> controllable (and yes a car is much safer, don't kid yourself).Another fucked up comparison! To avoid being hit by a bus...dont step out in front of said bus!!! You're the one kidding yourself.


If child birth is such an imposition on you, perhaps you should get an animal instead.Perhaps you should be getting an animal instead, since you seem to think pregnancy is all the excuse you need to tell your wife what she can and cant do while pregnant. You dont deserve a wife or children. Fuckin control freak!

[007XX]

Ooooookaayy...How about we all have a nice big breath here folks???

Yes, I know the subject is one of them sensitive ones that can tickle everyone the wrong way... BUT: I would nicely ask that we keep this a friendly discussion please.

Thanks for your cooperation.

[Jonno.]

And if she wanted to ride while pregnant, how would you have stopped her? Threaten divorce?? Comparing riding while pregnant with smoking crack is just fucked up. She should divorce you for being shuch a numpty.

Another fucked up comparison! To avoid being hit by a bus...dont step out in front of said bus!!! You're the one kidding yourself.

Perhaps you should be getting an animal instead, since you seem to think pregnancy is all the excuse you need to tell your wife what she can and cant do while pregnant. You dont deserve a wife or children. Fuckin control freak!

So you'd let your wife smoke methamphetamine while pregnant so you don't come across as controlling? I've always been the way I am and I don't change with her prengancy.

To be honest my kids come first born or unborn and I get the same line from smokers all the time "go on have a smoke my mum smoked and I'm alright". But then again I have a friend who wouldn't say that because they were born underweight have breathing problems.

If you think being hit by a bus is avoidable then I don't know why I responded.
If you get hit by a train in your house, fair enough but if you fall off your bike and say "oh it's not my fault could have been struck by lightning"...

[nodrog]

....... i stopped riding after about 13 weeks. The second pregnancy was affecting my balance and reaction times: I arsed off coming down some stairs......

what the fuck were you doing riding down the stairs?

[Ratti]

I had 3 offs in 2 weeks when I was carrying my first son. I stopped riding for a long time.

The offs were allmy own work and I figured we were both safer if I stopped. I never thought it would be 17 years before I got back on a bike tho...

[Goblin]

So you'd let your wife smoke methamphetamine while pregnant so you don't come across as controlling?
If you think being hit by a bus is avoidable then I don't know why I responded.

Hell no! But I'd be sure not to try and tell her she cant ride her bike FFS!


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[ckai]

Very interesting stuff.

I find i HUGELY hypocritical if Daddy, TELLS Mummy to stop something while they're pregnant and does it themselves. My opinion of course ;) My bike would have been dismantled if I told my wife to stop riding because she was pregnant. As moral support, I stopped drinking during her pregnancy but started to flag it away when she started making me drinks so she could smell them! I can't fight encouragement.

I trust my wife to make the right decisions and assess any dodgy shit that could happen to put not only the baby but herself at risk. Hell, I came off my bike when she was 2 months pregnant and busted a few things. She didn't tell me not to ride after that because the kid may not have a father, she merely said be careful. I have my bent wedding ring as a key ring to remind me.

She rode (only very occasionally when she found the time) when it felt uncomfortable which was basically when her stomach touched the tank. She said it was one of the few things that would chill out Lockie (the baby).

[R-Soul]

And if she wanted to ride while pregnant, how would you have stopped her? Threaten divorce??
Withold sex of course... :shifty:
Or the keys..
:blink:



Comparing riding while pregnant with smoking crack is just fucked up. She should divorce you for being shuch a numpty.
No its not- both have a good probability of hurting the kid. Especially when control on the bike is lacking because of loose ligaments, bad balance, ungainly riding positons forced by bumps, and baby brain concentration skills.



Another fucked up comparison! To avoid being hit by a bus...dont step out in front of said bus!!! You're the one kidding yourself.

You're not very good with conceptual thinking are you? He is saying that if something happens that is unforeseeable ( a bolt of lightning out of the blue) or unavoidable (you have to drive a car to get around), then so be it - you could not have done much about it and it was destined to be.

But if you take risks in which injury to you and/or kid is reasonably foreseeable, its just dumb.



Perhaps you should be getting an animal instead, since you seem to think pregnancy is all the excuse you need to tell your wife what she can and cant do while pregnant. You dont deserve a wife or children. Fuckin control freak!

I take as much intersts in my childs life as my wife does - it is mine just as much as it is hers. If anything she does puts its life in danger, YOU CAN BE DAMN SURE THAT I WILL SAY SOMETHING. Where pregnancy is concerned, it is NOT completely her decision to take, as I have a massive stake in her actions too. Especially when the decision is in the nature of a stupid lifestyle choice...

[R-Soul]

Very interesting stuff.

I find i HUGELY hypocritical if Daddy, TELLS Mummy to stop something while they're pregnant and does it themselves. My opinion of course ;) My bike would have been dismantled if I told my wife to stop riding because she was pregnant. As moral support, I stopped drinking during her pregnancy but started to flag it away when she started making me drinks so she could smell them! I can't fight encouragement.

I trust my wife to make the right decisions and assess any dodgy shit that could happen to put not only the baby but herself at risk. Hell, I came off my bike when she was 2 months pregnant and busted a few things. She didn't tell me not to ride after that because the kid may not have a father, she merely said be careful. I have my bent wedding ring as a key ring to remind me.

She rode (only very occasionally when she found the time) when it felt uncomfortable which was basically when her stomach touched the tank. She said it was one of the few things that would chill out Lockie (the baby).

I dont really have the choice as I commute to work.

[Yow Ling]

There was a woman down here racing while she was pregnant. Is that really clever, I didnt think so.
Its one thing to ride pregnant , but putting the unborn in harms way starts to affect other people.
What if in the race she got taken out by another racer, as does happen. How would the other rider feel if the fetus was harmed, who would beat fault. I guess it must have worked out OK her kids are still alive.

[dangerous]

There was a woman down here racing while she was pregnant. Is that really clever, I didnt think so.
Its one thing to ride pregnant , but putting the unborn in harms way starts to affect other people.
What if in the race she got taken out by another racer, as does happen. How would the other rider feel if the fetus was harmed, who would beat fault. I guess it must have worked out OK her kids are still alive.
What an insulting post from someone who was considered in high reguard as a good friend.

There has in fact been THREE pregnant ladies racing with you, but I asume you are talking about Rashika.
a little infio, the kid was the size of a peanut, safe and warm enough inside for a knock harsh enough to harm the mum would be near dead... just aswell we race for fun, socalising, were consideration is given and not in the nationals.

Your post says more about your own personal issues , perhaps if you were to have kids you might be more realistic and understanding.

[helenoftroy]

No its not- both have a good probability of hurting the kid. Especially when control on the bike is lacking because of loose ligaments, bad balance, ungainly riding positons forced by bumps, and baby brain concentration skills.

FFS! A normal healthy pregnant woman does not overnight turn into an elephant sized,badly balanced loose ligamented no brainer!

First trimester & a half there are few outward changes and some of us were not obviously pregnant till 18+ weeks

Women choose to continue to play top level netball,running,marathons,etc etc while pregnant with no ill effects whatsoever

[helenoftroy]

There was a woman down here racing while she was pregnant. Is that really clever, I didnt think so.
Its one thing to ride pregnant , but putting the unborn in harms way starts to affect other people.
What if in the race she got taken out by another racer, as does happen. How would the other rider feel if the fetus was harmed, who would beat fault. I guess it must have worked out OK her kids are still alive.

its our choice & nothing to do with you

You ride along side guys who I guarantee have severe coronary artery disease,may be still cognitively impaired from alcohol/drugs,or have had significant previous head injuries.

We race along side a wonderful man who has had quadruple bypass surgery & frequently has angina at the track.Only medical option in the future is a heart transplant

Your point is???

[R-Soul]

its our choice & nothing to do with you

You ride along side guys who I guarantee have severe coronary artery disease,may be still cognitively impaired from alcohol/drugs,or have had significant previous head injuries.

We race along side a wonderful man who has had quadruple bypass surgery & frequently has angina at the track.Only medical option in the future is a heart transplant

Your point is???

The point is he is only putting himself in danger.

[JohnR]

The point is he is only putting himself in danger.

Actually he is putting everyone on the track in danger...

[Yow Ling]

My point was , if Joe racer carved up Jane racer and she crashed and was injured, then miscarried. How would that make Joe racer feel.
As to People with poor health racing , its their choice, no innocent victims. As for druggies riding, should be more drug testing clubs threaten it then dont follow up.

Dawson you are an idiot. When did i say who it was, in your desperate struggle to be famous on KB you had to claim fame. Well done

[dangerous]

Dawson you are an idiot. When did i say who it was, in your desperate struggle to be famous on KB you had to claim fame. Well done Surley you aint this thick YL? you said "kids" only one out of the three women have more than one... so that fair fucks your theory on "fame"
and thats Mr Dawson to you, are you trying to upset me by using my real name again? grow up mate.


There was a woman down here racing while she was pregnant. Is that really clever, I didnt think so

Dawson you are an idiot. an Idiot and or someone not so cleaver would be a person that puts himself in hospital for a couple of days from falling off a small bike in his own drive way because he wore no protective gears... and the day before a big meeting to.




My point was , if Joe racer carved up Jane racer and she crashed and was injured, then miscarried. How would that make Joe racer feel.Best Joe stays at home, because his drive from his country home, to the track he is more likely to have a crash, and that might just be into a pregnent woman, on that note its most likely safer racing what we do, than riding to Akaroa.

[Yow Ling]

Whatever .

[dangerous]

Whatever .:2guns::bleh::nya::rofl::laugh::buggerd::shake::m oon::niceone:

[Yow Ling]

Surley you aint this thick YL? you said "kids" only one out of the three women have more than one... so that fair fucks your theory on "fame"
and thats Mr Dawson to you, are you trying to upset me by using my real name again? grow up mate.


an Idiot and or someone not so cleaver would be a person that puts himself in hospital for a couple of days from falling off a small bike in his own drive way because he wore no protective gears... and the day before a big meeting to[/I]


Best Joe stays at home, because his drive from his country home, to the track he is more likely to have a crash, and that might just be into a pregnent woman, on that note its most likely safer racing what we do, than riding to Akaroa.

Instead of naming anyone I left it anonomous, because you were amazingly clever you worked out that it must be you guys ,99.5% of the rest of KB didnt know, you made yourselves famous.

I raised it issue so it could be discussed , you know like grown ups do , discuss stuff. That is why I called you an idiot.
What does me crashing my bike at home have to do with riding and pregnancy, I wasnt pregnant, I crashed lots that year never had one miscarrige.


[B]an Idiot and or someone not so cleaver
I didnt say somebody wasnt clever , I was refering to the act of racing while pregnant as not too clever, you added your spin.

I guess while your ego is still inflated and you own this part of the internet, not much will get discussed in any meaningfull way. Sorry I interupted the knitting group

[dangerous]

Instead of naming anyone I left it anonomous, because you were amazingly clever you worked out that it must be you guys ,99.5% of the rest of KB didnt know, you made yourselves famous.
WOW, this be a beter thought out reply than just "whatever"
Now sorry but have tio say DOH... Rashika had already posted saying she raced when preggers... so umm, 99.5% of people already knew this you obviously being the .5%

I already knew of your thoughts of racing while duffed, we spoke at the time, and I understood you might fell resposable had something gone wrong in a race ie: if you were to have knocked her off (well actually I already had) the thing is she like the other girl racers were and are never at the frount of the pack, they were racing at a more sedate and safe pace behind... they have this uncanny weird thing were they lean on the side of cauction and have a stronger feeling of mortatity... mate thay have vagina's not penis, it aint no pissing comp for them so rearly end up in a heated battle and taking risks, the chance of anyone tangling with them was and is very very unlikely... put it this way racing would be one of the less dangerous situations they would be in over a normale week.

good night
Mr Dawson

[cruza]

Think it is individual's choice in the end , but can understand how some people would get a bit upset/concerned , natural thing to be protective. Same as I prefer not to pillion rummie now with young family.
Life is still there to be lived and to much cotton wool doesn't do anyone any good.

[bittertwistedcute]

best response of the thread goes to nodrog

what the fuck were you doing riding down the stairs?

[bittertwistedcute]

There was a woman down here racing while she was pregnant. .......must have worked out OK her kids are still alive.
That is just nasty

[R-Soul]

Actually he is putting everyone on the track in danger...

No- they are putting themselves in danger- they go on track with the foreseable consequence of someone taking them out - whether by a slipping wheel or a heart attack.

[007XX]

what the fuck were you doing riding down the stairs?

PMSL... Cheeky shit!




what the fuck were you doing riding down the stairs?

Carver is my god and I was trying to best him at stunting... :killingme

[bittertwistedcute]

Carver is my god and I was trying to best him at stunting... :killingme

Snorted coffee on keyboard and can't remember the damn acronym to respond appropriately!!

[bittertwistedcute]

I am not sure if you have been on the track, but if the guy three bikes ahead of me going into a corner pops the last blob of fat through his remaining artery then he could potentially stop drop and roll and include SEVERAL people in that, and that includes diabetics who haven't managed their diet/bs's appropriately and drive/ride and anone else. Chance is a fine thing

No- they are putting themselves in danger- they go on track with the foreseable consequence of someone taking them out - whether by a slipping wheel or a heart attack.
Back to topic, "telling" your partner or anyone else what to do is a recipe for ruin. Have an opinion, discuss it, and move on. Sexual activity in the first trimester can precede miscarriage also.
My response would be "I have undertaken a risk assessment, now I am going for a ride on my bike while you go fuck yourself" or eloquent words to that effect, not helped by my "nappy brain and sloppy ligaments"

[kit]

Back to topic, "telling" your partner or anyone else what to do is a recipe for ruin. Have an opinion, discuss it, and move on. Sexual activity in the first trimester can precede miscarriage also.
My response would be "I have undertaken a risk assessment, now I am going for a ride on my bike while you go fuck yourself" or eloquent words to that effect, not helped by my "nappy brain and sloppy ligaments"

Snorting my coffee now! :rofl: I like the way you think!

[R-Soul]

I am not sure if you have been on the track, but if the guy three bikes ahead of me going into a corner pops the last blob of fat through his remaining artery then he could potentially stop drop and roll and include SEVERAL people in that, and that includes diabetics who haven't managed their diet/bs's appropriately and drive/ride and anone else. Chance is a fine thing
I agree- chance is a fine thing- who can tell. But you go onto the track having taken the decision that you are willing to take these risks, as well as the risk of highsiding, lowsiding, being taken out, etc. Lets face it, when you race, you push the limits - you take risks that you would not normally. When you take teh decision, you take it about your own life. I am saying that when my wife takes a decision that potentially afects another life besides her own, in which I have a stake, then i want my opinion and feelinsg to be taken cognisance of. i feel it is NOT her decision alone.

I dont have a problem with my wife taking chances- as long as its not with my baby.


Back to topic, "telling" your partner or anyone else what to do is a recipe for ruin. Have an opinion, discuss it, and move on. Sexual activity in the first trimester can precede miscarriage also.
My response would be "I have undertaken a risk assessment, now I am going for a ride on my bike while you go fuck yourself" or eloquent words to that effect, not helped by my "nappy brain and sloppy ligaments"

Just like women dont "tell" their men what to do, but they make it very clear in other ways that their actions wil have "consequences". In the same way, I make it clear that her actions will have consequences. Especially if something does happen. Thats not a threat, that is setting out plainly and simply that that particular time of her life is not for selfishness.

[007XX]

As always, I really struggle with this one... Reason is: I can see both sides of the coin.

Ok, ladies: Yes, it is our body and we should be able to do whatever the heck we want with it. BUT :shake:... IT IS the man's baby in there as well, therefor, he who made the effort of shagging us in the first place to impregnate us has got some say in the matter if we were to be fair about this right? I mean, we do want him to feel like he should care about the unborn, don't we?


And gents: how would you feel if we told you that just "Because we can't ride for the next howevermanymonths, then neither shoudl you be able to,goddammmit!!!! And my boobs hurt FFS"??
C'mon, be honest... you have got to respect the fact that we as women make a huge sacrifice of freedom when we endeavour to become mothers and if you don't appreciate it, then I foresee a very, very difficult time ahead for you and your family.

[R-Soul]

As always, I really struggle with this one... Reason is: I can see both sides of the coin.

Ok, ladies: Yes, it is our body and we should be able to do whatever the heck we want with it. BUT :shake:... IT IS the man's baby in there as well, therefor, he who made the effort of shagging us in the first place to impregnate us has got some say in the matter if we were to be fair about this right? I mean, we do want him to feel like he should care about the unborn, don't we?


And gents: how would you feel if we told you that just "Because we can't ride for the next howevermanymonths, then neither shoudl you be able to,goddammmit!!!! And my boobs hurt FFS"??
C'mon, be honest... you have got to respect the fact that we as women make a huge sacrifice of freedom when we endeavour to become mothers and if you don't appreciate it, then I foresee a very, very difficult time ahead for you and your family.

Frankly if thatS what it would take, then I would stop riding. There is nothing that I would not do for my kids.

However, I would think that she is being a little unreasonable in that there is not reason for me to stop. And I would argue it....

[007XX]

Frankly if thatS what it would take, then I would stop riding. There is nothing that I would not do for my kids.

However, I would think that she is being a little unreasonable in that there is not reason for me to stop. And I would argue it....

Agreed re: nothing I wouldn't do for my kids...I'm the same.

And as far as being unreasonable goes, trust me, you don't know the half of it ... hormones are an utter bitch that way! And no, I do not pack all unreasonable behaviour on the back of that hormonal bugbear alone, but it sure as hell plays a huge part.

But trying to remain fair for all sides here, and if we look at it from the hypothetical relation of (let's call them John and Jane to save anybody too sensitive on here) two realtively normal individuals, on the basis that both equally love riding motorbikes, it's their mental escape, yadiya yadiya...


John and Jane are finally expecting their first child...hurray, happy happy, joy joy right?

Then all of a sudden John gets very protective because heck! He's going to be a Daddy...and fair enough too!

If he was to turn around and declare that his wife can no longer do the one thing she has been loving for sucha long time, how would that go down?

Same goes for Jane declaring that hubby is now responsible for the future paternal happiness of the unborn child and therefor is in no way to put himself in harms way, or that it is frankly unfair that not only has she got to sacrifice her job, the shape of her body, go through a non negligible amount of pain when she'll give birth, but she has also to be told and suffer the indignity of being told she can't ride anymore.

My point? Maybe it is down to making a compromise and discussing the issue making sure that both parties get a fair say, and that the RESPECT for each other is maintained throughout. Otherwise, I wouldn't like to be in that relationship personally... Hubby and I decide everything together, and we do compromise for each other, but if one was to feel strongly enough about something that he/she was not prepared to compromise, then the other person would just respect that decision

We all have to remain thinking, functioning individuals, even if we are one of a pair.

[R-Soul]

Agreed re: nothing I wouldn't do for my kids...I'm the same.

And as far as being unreasonable goes, trust me, you don't know the half of it ... hormones are an utter bitch that way! And no, I do not pack all unreasonable behaviour on the back of that hormonal bugbear alone, but it sure as hell plays a huge part.

But trying to remain fair for all sides here, and if we look at it from the hypothetical relation of (let's call them John and Jane to save anybody too sensitive on here) two realtively normal individuals, on the basis that both equally love riding motorbikes, it's their mental escape, yadiya yadiya...


John and Jane are finally expecting their first child...hurray, happy happy, joy joy right?

Then all of a sudden John gets very protective because heck! He's going to be a Daddy...and fair enough too!

If he was to turn around and declare that his wife can no longer do the one thing she has been loving for sucha long time, how would that go down?

Same goes for Jane declaring that hubby is now responsible for the future paternal happiness of the unborn child and therefor is in no way to put himself in harms way, or that it is frankly unfair that not only has she got to sacrifice her job, the shape of her body, go through a non negligible amount of pain when she'll give birth, but she has also to be told and suffer the indignity of being told she can't ride anymore.

My point? Maybe it is down to making a compromise and discussing the issue making sure that both parties get a fair say, and that the RESPECT for each other is maintained throughout. Otherwise, I wouldn't like to be in that relationship personally... Hubby and I decide everything together, and we do compromise for each other, but if one was to feel strongly enough about something that he/she was not prepared to compromise, then the other person would just respect that decision

We all have to remain thinking, functioning individuals, even if we are one of a pair.

There seems to be some sort of idea on this thread on this thread of me chaining my woman to a post for her entire pregnancy, thats not true (well not the ENTIRE pregnancy anyway :shifty:). Hell, we even sit down and discuss things the way you described above even for relatively minor things (like me attending track days!). Where it affects both of us (be it finances, family or whatever) then it gets discussed, reasoned and compromised on.

The fact is that she actually took the decision entirely on her own (respect to her), and I did not even need to say a thing. But if I had to, I would not have dictated that "this is how its going to be". We would have sat down and discussed it an reasoned it out together respectfully, until she saw things my way....

This sounds like me dictating terms again doesn't it? But realistically for me there can only be one outcome of such a discussion - the other alternative is too serious for me to even contemplate compromising on.

Its like one of those minor things where I want to go do certain things (like a track day really soon after the last track day) where I know that realistically you just wont be able to get any compromise, and I have no hope in hell. She understands that this is one of thise times. And if it were the other way around, she would expect me to understand the same thing too.

[Lula]

If you missed seeing my article on pregnancy and motorcycleing in the July 2010 issue of Motorcycle Trader magazine you can read it here:

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/View/Article/Riding-and-pregnancy/1216.aspx

[smoky]

I didn't know you could get pregnant on a bike? :shit:

[dangerous]

If you missed seeing my article on pregnancy and motorcycleing in the July 2010 issue of Motorcycle Trader magazine you can read it here:

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/View/Article/Riding-and-pregnancy/1216.aspx

good shit, well written and dealt with sensibly :Punk:

[Jonno.]

If he was to turn around and declare that his wife can no longer do the one thing she has been loving for sucha long time, how would that go down?
Lets say Jane is a social drinking. Does she keep drinking? Does her husband need to tell her to stop whilst pregnant, if he does is he the devil?


Same goes for Jane declaring that hubby is now responsible for the future paternal happiness of the unborn child and therefor is in no way to put himself in harms way, or that it is frankly unfair that not only has she got to sacrifice her job, the shape of her body, go through a non negligible amount of pain when she'll give birth, but she has also to be told and suffer the indignity of being told she can't ride anymore.


Sounds to me like Jane has a variety of issues if she thinks that everything is John's "fault". Jane agreed to have children with John. If my wife pulled that kind of petty blackmail on me I would leave her.

[Lula]

good shit, well written and dealt with sensibly :Punk:

Thanks dangerous great to have the feedback

[R-Soul]

I didn't know you could get pregnant on a bike? :shit:

Depends which way you are riding.

[proseuche]

I am getting shit for this. And I'm hardly even showing yet. I figure when I have to rest my belly on the tank and/or it affects my balance, I will stop of course. But until then will ride but no more lane splitting or dodgy maneuvering for me. Totally don't feel as though I'm being irresponsible! Husband/friends think differently. Anyone else been through this dilemma? The weather is just getting nice out - no fair. Should have planned pregnancy better. Sulk.

[unstuck]

Fuck em, your not planning on falling off are you? My wife rode on the back of my bike until she was ready to drop. :Punk::Punk:

[slofox]

My late wife rode pillion with me up until about 8 months as I recall. And I think we went out a couple of times when she was overdue - trying to get things moving if you know what I mean...no problems were encountered.

[Subike]

Doing what make you happy and relaxed is as good for the baby as it is for you.
The little tike will want to ride with mum as soon as it can walk,
with the memeorys of the enjoyment had when inside mum.
Go for it girl, enjoy being happy with your baby.

Better than being stressed wanting to ride,

[oneofsix]

Most people don't understand those of us that ride anyhow, your being preggas just gives them another excuse to bitch and moan. Truth being the baby is safer than you and probably safer than a Wellington pedestrian :shutup:, it is not like you are thumbing yourself in the belly, shit you are more likely to suffer that from the steering wheel in a car accident. When the belly gets in the way of the gear or getting close enough to the tank to reach the bars or ride properly then address those issues.
Stay active, best thing for the baby is a happy incubator mother.:Punk:

[munster]

My wife pillioned quite a few times with no issues, midwife only said to knock it off near the end in case in induced an early labour. It didn't, but 'something' else did :msn-wink:

If it makes you happy, keep doing it & stay shiney side up.

[Virago]

Has been well covered before. This is probably the most recent extensive thread:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124778-Pregnancy-and-motorcycling

[SMOKEU]

Keep on riding.

[The Pastor]

women shouldn't ride at all, so no don't do it.

[The Lone Rider]

Topic for the win.


Personally I'd not be to happy with my kids mum riding a bike, bungy jumping, fighting the taliban, or using power tools.

Some more than others.

[GrayWolf]

I never stopped riding, and we had 2 kids. Up till 'bulge' getting in the way, she still pillioned. After arrival of No.1... only stipulation was... I had to be well insured so in the event of the worst. House was paid for and a decent lump sum became available to see through the 'really tough' months of putting life back together.

As a male, we cant argue the value and need for 'Mum' by children, so the loss of the female half of a pair with young children would I guess have a greater impact at a psychological level than maybe losing the 'male' half... though in this day and age, Home fathers are becoming more frequent. As long as eventualities are allowed for (loss/severe injury) then you should'nt need to lose something that is part of your 'make up'.

[GDOBSSOR]

I imagine it's similar to the choice of taking a pillion or not. But the pillion does have a choice (usually) not to ride.

Even in a cage (seatbelt issues) ... risk elements are there ... Individual choice.

And just what would you mean by USUALLY?

[FJRider]

And just what would you mean by USUALLY?

Sometimes .... pillion or walking ...

Or mum/Dad says ... you are going.