ACC & NZTA FUCKERS: Charging the new rates before it is legal to do so.

[Pixie]

That's right folks; in order to stymie those that were trying to use the MR27 form to get maximum time at the old rate when licensing their bike,the NZTA have started charging all extended expiry date time at the new ACC rates.
This is before the rates can be legally applied.

[Mom]

That's right folks; in order to stymie those that were trying to use the MR27 form to get maximum time at the old rate when licensing their bike,the NZTA have started charging all extended expiry date time at the new ACC rates.
This is before the rates can be legally applied.

Since when? There are some? that have renewed at the old rate for better than 12 months.

[Pixie]

My brother tried to use the MR27 today and queried the cost with NZTA.They admitted what they are doing.

[Mom]

So some can, and some cant? I hate grey in these situations. Surely there can not be any, it is black or white. Either the new rate applies or it does not?

[Pixie]

No, they realised we were using the MR27 route and as of recently they have tried to close it - illegally.
They know they won't get taken to court over this.

[Rogue Rider]

Shame on them, who holds them to account............................... pigass bum bandits....

[Swoop]

So, don't pay them a cent.
Screw the monkey-brained fucktards.

[Ixion]

I did try to warm people that there was a gotcha in June. Its been that way for ages

I think its just their crap systems . Basically , they send out renewal notices a momth in advance . So any notices they send out in June will be for renewals ( in July) at the new rate.

So they set the computer up with the new rates at the beginnimg of June. And dont have a mechanism to cope with extensions

The regulation came into law on 31st May, with the new rates stated to be applicable for "invoices from 30th June"

[HenryDorsetCase]

I did try to warm people that there was a gotcha in June. Its been that way for ages

I think its just their crap systems . Basically , they send out renewal notices a momth in advance . So any notices they send out in June will be for renewals ( in July) at the new rate.

So they set the computer up with the new rates at the beginnimg of June. And dont have a mechanism to cope with extensions

The regulation came into law on 31st May, with the new rates stated to be applicable for "invoices from 30th June"

Mine runs out on 22 June, so do I pay the new or old rates? If their invoice is dated 22 June, it must be the old rate, rigth?

[Renegade]

yeah thats why my rego is on hold, i want to pay my share but cant bring myself to part with the cash right now

[Ixion]

Mine runs out on 22 June, so do I pay the new or old rates? If their invoice is dated 22 June, it must be the old rate, rigth?

I *think* (but I am termimally confused) that if you have an invoice for a renewal 22nd June, which would have beeen issued in May, then you pay what is on the invoice. The old rates.

But invoices they are raising in June are (normally) for July renewals, at the new rate . When you go in with a MR27, you dont have an imvoice. So their system creates one . At the new rates. Itis posssible that it is possible to override this (it should be) but only expert operators knpw how ( most dont even know what a mr27 is)

[Ocean1]

So, mine's due... today.

And when I update it on-line I'm going to get pinged at the new improved rate?

[Ixion]

I THINK ( but do NOT) take this as authorative) that if you have the form they send out ( which is technically an invoice) and the prices on it are the old prices, and you enter the code off the invoice, they will honour the invoice ( old ) prices. But any invoice RAISED in June will be the new prices.

[_Shrek_]

Mrs Shrek did mine at the old rate using MR27 for 15months a week ago they can't charge you the new rates if your bike is due this month, new rate comes into effect 1st july so old rates apply

[Ocean1]

I THINK ( but do NOT) take this as authorative) that if you have the form they send out ( which is technically an invoice) and the prices on it are the old prices, and you enter the code off the invoice, they will honour the invoice ( old ) prices. But any invoice RAISED in June will be the new prices.

Done, and all correct, cheers.

[rainman]

I THINK ( but do NOT) take this as authorative) that if you have the form they send out ( which is technically an invoice) and the prices on it are the old prices, and you enter the code off the invoice, they will honour the invoice ( old ) prices. But any invoice RAISED in June will be the new prices.

Damn. Mine expires in a month and I have been toying with whether to do a MR27 or an MR24... Having to pay the new rates kinda makes that decision for me.

[ukusa]

Damn. Mine expires in a month and I have been toying with whether to do a MR27 or an MR24... Having to pay the new rates kinda makes that decision for me.

hold hold hold, give 'em no money

[Max Preload]

No, they realised we were using the MR27 route and as of recently they have tried to close it - illegally.
They know they won't get taken to court over this.

Not illegally. They've merely started doing what they should have been already but lacked the information to be able to. See 5(1)(c) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0006/latest/DLM91421.html).


Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless—
the full amount of the appropriate levies payable under section 214 of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001 in respect of the period for which the licence is issued has been paid.


hold hold hold, give 'em no money

That's the one!

[rainman]

give 'em no money

Shouldn't be too difficult - there's a long queue of things lining up for my very limited money and most of them are nothing to do with bikes.

But no rego=no ride. :(

[miloking]

Shouldn't be too difficult - there's a long queue of things lining up for my very limited money and most of them are nothing to do with bikes.

But no rego=no ride. :(

What do you mean no rego=no ride???? Do your wheels fall off if you've got no rego or something??? HOLD HOLD HOLD just like Ukusa said!

[Max Preload]

What do you mean no rego=no ride????

I'm struggling with that one a bit myself. Exactly how does not having a current license label stop you from riding? :scratch:

[riffer]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

[Pixie]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

Well,I would ask myself:"how often do I get stopped or see a check point?Or even get tailed by a cop that might run my rego to see if is up to date?"

If the answer is rarely, then I would ride pirate style.

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.


My next bike will be a GSF 1250 livestock transporter registered as a farm vehicle, ACC exempt, for my worm farm -and I will always have a jar of worms with me to prove it.

[avgas]

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.
To be honest that is my current biggest fear. I am going to attempt to 'hide' the rego a bit. Put a bit of grease over it or something.

[Pixie]

To be honest that is my current biggest fear. I am going to attempt to 'hide' the rego a bit. Put a bit of grease over it or something.

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.

[Pixie]

Just had a call from my brother:He's laying a complaint with the Commerce Commission.

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

[rainman]

What do you mean no rego=no ride???? Do your wheels fall off if you've got no rego or something???


I'm struggling with that one a bit myself. Exactly how does not having a current license label stop you from riding? :scratch:

...


It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

Like Mr Riffer said, there are consequences of breaking the law, like it or not. And since about everything that can go wrong for me recently has gone wrong, I'm disinclined to take the chance.

Actually, before I can ride again I also need a WOF and current insurance, neither of which stop the wheels turning, but both of which are show-stoppers for someone with some personal responsibility.

[Scuba_Steve]

screw hold, de-register it become ALOT harder to charge or find someone with out registration...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I *think* (but I am termimally confused) that if you have an invoice for a renewal 22nd June, which would have beeen issued in May, then you pay what is on the invoice. The old rates.

But invoices they are raising in June are (normally) for July renewals, at the new rate . When you go in with a MR27, you dont have an imvoice. So their system creates one . At the new rates. Itis posssible that it is possible to override this (it should be) but only expert operators knpw how ( most dont even know what a mr27 is)

Just looking at the MR1 "Renewal of Motor Vehicle Licence" form: sticker price is $321.24, so thats old price. I will fill in a MR27, and present them both together then shout at the drone that I want an invoice for $401.55 ($321.24 divided by 12 then multiplied by 15).

should be entertaining. WCS is I pay $321.24 for 12 months.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just had a call from my brother:He's laying a complaint with the Commerce Commission.

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

that first example is perfectly correct. The invoice is dated 1 July for the period 1 July 2010 to 30 June 2011. The taxable supply is made on 1 July and therefore the appropriate rate is that applying on 1 July.

In fact to do other would be to apply GST at the wrong rate. (presently the law allows only two rates, zero percent*, and 12.5%) * in certain limited but entertaining circumstances.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well,I would ask myself:"how often do I get stopped or see a check point?Or even get tailed by a cop that might run my rego to see if is up to date?"

If the answer is rarely, then I would ride pirate style.

I think the biggest risks are parking nazis in cities.


My next bike will be a GSF 1250 livestock transporter registered as a farm vehicle, ACC exempt, for my worm farm -and I will always have a jar of worms with me to prove it.

You've opened a hell of a can of worms there.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

really? 102? that is fucking bullshit.

[Max Preload]

Councils are allowing full payment of new rate demands for the coming year at the existing GST rate.This is exactly the same situation with extending a licence expiry date.

Completely different scenario. GST is collected (for large turnover institutions) on the basis of when it was invoiced.


Also I got a reply from BRONZ - they are having their lawyers look into the legalities of the situation

I'm sure they'll find it's just as I stated here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/124855-ACC-amp-NZTA-FUCKERS-Charging-the-new-rates-before-it-is-legal-to-do-so.?p=1129783672#post1129783672) with references.

[avgas]

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.
Courier, Size 46, requires some tweeks.........oppps I mean yes solvent would be bad

[sunhuntin]

mine expires next april [i had some extra money so got a years worth when it came up] if i filled out the extension form today, would i be paying the old or new rates? [i have a feeling it would be the new rates, but just want to make sure ive got it right]

[Ixion]

OK. IANAL , but I think they're wrong

The new fees are prescribed in regulations . Accident Compensation (Motor Vehicle Account Levies) Regulations 2010 (SR 2010/73).

Clause 6 says


Payment of levies
(1) The motor vehicle levy and the Motorcycle Safety levy are payable—
(a) for each licensing period that commences on or after 1 July 2010; and
(b) on application for one of the following licences:
(i) a motor vehicle licence, under section 10 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986; or
(ii) a trade licence, under section 31 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986.


Now, that says that if you want to licence your bike for a period commencing after 1 July 2010 (which is what we are talking about), then you pay according to the fees in this regulation. (ie you pay the high fees).

BUT ** why I think they are wrong.

Secton 8 says



Revocation and saving

(1) The Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009 (SR 2009/60) are revoked.

(2) Despite subclause (1), the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009 continue to apply to the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010 as if they had not been revoked.



So what THAT says is, that for " the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010", the OLD regulations ( Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009) continue to apply. So, for June , they should be charging under the old (low) fees. Assuming that payment is actually made in June.

However, the practical problem is that if their computer has been loaded with (only) the new fees, how are we/anyone going to make them change it?

[Max Preload]

You can "accidentally" spill some solvent on it.
The ink comes off the plastic very easily.I discovered this when I was investigating "doctoring" expiry dates.

You'll still get a ION for failing to display if they (parking wardens) can't read it. Then if you write in and they check (not guaranteed that they will, from experience) they'll see it wasn't licensed at the time.


However, the practical problem is that if their computer has been loaded with (only) the new fees, how are we/anyone going to make them change it?

Computer says no. *cough*

[scracha]

Hmm... my license expires on 30/06/2010. Am I phucked? Won't be paying the cunts 500 bucks, that's for sure.

[miloking]

It doesn't stop you riding. It just means you'll cop a fine if the police stop you and decide to ticket you.

How much will that affect you? If you use the bike on the occasional weekend, probably you will get away with it.

If, like me, its your daily transport, and you do at least 75-80kms a day, it becomes a game of chance in which the odds are stacked hugely in the police's favour.

While I disagree with the reasons for the increase in the charge, and have protested (and will continue to protest) about the charges, I have no choice. I've been pulled over three times in the last month - once for a rego check, once for doing 116km/hr (my fault) and once for doing 102 (Queen's birthday weekend).

After July 1, I'm willing to bet the rego checks will increase. They've already started doing it on the Rimutakas in the weekend.

Its going to cost you hugely if you repeatedly get stopped. But it's your call.

My rego runs out on 7/7/10. So I have no choice but to pay the $520. With my recent luck I'll be fined more than that in one month.

While i fully understand your logic and odds for getting ticket etc... i will rather pay the occasional fine because it has few advantages for start you can choose to pay it off instead of having to pay upfront like rego, also i know that money wont go to ACC so its a matter of principal for me. (sounds retarded but even if get fined more i would still rather do that then conform to these bastards)

[riffer]

Which you're perfectly entitled to. But I imagine if they discover a large number of motorcyclists avoiding rego and putting masses of fines on slow-pay, they may introduce legislation to make it difficult for others. Just remember every action against the bastards has an opposite and not-necessarily equal reaction.

[duckonin]

The system has beaten us and we know it, we protested and received a token gesture...

Remember what has happened next time you vote !!!!

[slofox]

Damn.

My reg is due 3 July. So it'll be new rates.

I had filled out the MR27 and was gonna present it last week of June...seems pointless now, dunnit...

Damn.

[sinned]

Time to suck it up :angry:and move on :mellow:

[Renegade]

While i fully understand your logic and odds for getting ticket etc... i will rather pay the occasional fine because it has few advantages for start you can choose to pay it off instead of having to pay upfront like rego, also i know that money wont go to ACC so its a matter of principal for me. (sounds retarded but even if get fined more i would still rather do that then conform to these bastards)

hmm...i like the cut of your gibb

[Howie]

OK. IANAL , but I think they're wrong

The new fees are prescribed in regulations . Accident Compensation (Motor Vehicle Account Levies) Regulations 2010 (SR 2010/73).

Clause 6 says


Now, that says that if you want to licence your bike for a period commencing after 1 July 2010 (which is what we are talking about), then you pay according to the fees in this regulation. (ie you pay the high fees).

BUT ** why I think they are wrong.

Secton 8 says



So what THAT says is, that for " the period starting on 1 July 2009 and ending on 30 June 2010", the OLD regulations ( Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation (Motor Vehicles Levies) Regulations 2009) continue to apply. So, for June , they should be charging under the old (low) fees. Assuming that payment is actually made in June.



The other way of looking at that is that if you current rego runs out after 1 july 2010, and you are using a MR27 to change the date then the period you are changing is in the next licensing period, as it is added onto the end of your current paid up rego.

Now that they have a schedule of fees for that period, they well charge at the rate applicable for the extension.

For those who's rego's run out this month the same well apply as you well get upto your 12 months rego at the old levy rate, but any extension as the fee is now set for the next period well be charged at the new rate

[Muppet]

Write to the Minister and tell him to put it on his credit card....

[Swoop]

really? 102? that is fucking bullshit.
Was it in an 80kmh area though? or a 50...?

[What?]

Time to suck it up :angry:and move on :mellow:

Fine attitude. I guess you are OK with paying whatever next year's increase is going to be. Probably be this year's rate applied monthly.
Nah, fuck 'em. We should be firing up the campaign now, not rolling over and begging Smith to screw us even harder.

[breakaway]

I'm struggling with that one a bit myself. Exactly how does not having a current license label stop you from riding? :scratch:

Because most people are afraid of breaking the so called 'rules'. That's it.


To be honest that is my current biggest fear. I am going to attempt to 'hide' the rego a bit. Put a bit of grease over it or something.

Alternatively, don't park in ticketing hot spots. Find a crevice to shove the bike down into, or, park in one of those Wilson Parking or other underground parking complexes. Parking wardens don't go there.

[Ixion]

Nah, fuck 'em. We should be firing up the campaign now, not rolling over and begging Smith to screw us even harder.

Viaduct. 27th. 11am. If enough people care.

[Max Preload]

Because most people are afraid of breaking the so called 'rules'. That's it.

How odd. I go out of my way to actively break them, even to the point of assisting others to.


Viaduct. 27th. 11am. If enough people care.

They don't. Typical NZ apathy at work, and Smith knows it.