Brynderwyn passing lane Police trap 80kmh

[Rogue Rider]

Hi all, yes, yet another kick in the goulies by land transport and local enforcement agency..... Some may know already, however for those who don't, the Brynderwyn Passinglane on both sides of the Brynderwyn Hill South of Waipu has had the speed limit changed.
Someone in all there wisdom, decided to make New Zealands longest up-hill passing lane an 80km speed limit area.
Much like the Dome Valley area, where they spent millions upgrading the roads which made them a heck of alot more safer and pleasant to drive, you know have to endure slow tripping for several kilometers.
I was riding up the Brynderwyns yesterday, completely unaware of the speed limit change, only to find 6 popo police cars pulling over at will in their new fly trap.... Again like the Dome Valley area, picking off easy prey, blissfully unaware of the new madness.
Yet there are signs, one on the southern side of the hill just as you come to the bridge by Atlas Concrete yard, and one at the beginning incline of the passing lane on the Waipu side.

I didn't get ticketed myself as the cops had full custom when I went past. They did give me a look though so perhaps they thought I was a worthy candidate......

I have to confess, the roading standards are turning to custard in this country, there is most likely going to be alot more 80km p/hr limit areas on the open road. Personally, I think if they can't make a bloody motorway nth to south thats 120 in this day and age then 120 politicians in beehive should be sacked, along with all the bureaucrats that make decisions with zero experience and second hand wisdom from a toothless ignoramus!:Punk:
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[red mermaid]

Making it is easy...paying for it is the problem.





I have to confess, the roading standards are turning to custard in this country, there is most likely going to be alot more 80km p/hr limit areas on the open road. Personally, I think if they can't make a bloody motorway nth to south thats 120 in this day and age then 120 politicians in beehive should be sacked, along with all the bureaucrats that make decisions with zero experience and second hand wisdom from a toothless ignoramus!:Punk:
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[The Pastor]

Making it is easy...paying for it is the problem.

all our (auckland) motorways are designed for 130kph and some main highways - like the brendewen's.

[madbikeboy]

all our (auckland) motorways are designed for 130kph and some main highways - like the brendewen's.

Renegade Master - I've always wondered who is the most kick ass KB'er.

[Toaster]

Renegade Master - I've always wondered who is the most bad ass.

I just thought he had a really poor bowel problem and wanted to share.

[rastuscat]

Funny !! For the limit to be enforced it has to be sign posted, and yet by your own admission you were unaware of the speed limit change.

I guess that means you didn't see the signs.

Now tell us about how good a rider you are, and how your environmental awareness is so good you see everything.

So there.

[kb_SF1]

This afternoon camera van just past where the road works finish heading up hill from Waipu, very sneaky. Gets better though, just before the top the alarm gives a weak beep and red & blues appear over the top of the hill, cops looks at his screen , brake lights go on but no "U" turn. Buying a lotto ticket.:innocent:

[EJT]

Yeah southbound is one of my fav overtaking lanes. Not too many corners for a bike but great blasting past slow trucks. It is pretty clearly signposted but had I not known about the change going over last weekend I would probably have missed them. So used to 100 k limit.

[Mom]

It is the placement of this reduced speed zone that I can not understand. Yes, there have been people killed on that road, but that can not be the only reason for the reduction. The southern side of the road is a given, you would be lucky to be able to traverse it at 100 kph, frankly even at 8okph you would be seriously pushing your luck, but a good challenge to the more adventurous riders among us :D

The northern side is a lovely piece of road, in fact I actually managed to overtake a truck up there on my GN250. Took me the whole friggen hill to get there but I did it!. Nice, wide, open, sweeping corners, up hill. Good road surface (did not even see patch sealing there over Queens Birthday weekend) as well, and this down at 80kph now. One of the loveliest bits of road around and we now have to putter up it, or risk a walk. Stupid, totally stupid. Difficult to see the reasoning why it has been reduced to 80kph, the cynics among us read $$$. Mind you, where I live it is amazing if you can find a bit of road above 80kph now.

[Berries]

I have no idea how long the longest passing lane is, but if you do get ticketed in an 80, especially a newly installed one, there is a possible defence. There is a requirement for the speed limit signs to be repeated at least every 2.6km. If they aren't then you have a valid reason for assuming the speed limit is 100km/h, as along as you have travelled that distance since the last sign that is. There is also a requirement for repeater signs in 60 and 70k speed limits and from experience many local authorities don't bother.

[miloking]

Funny !! For the limit to be enforced it has to be sign posted, and yet by your own admission you were unaware of the speed limit change.

I guess that means you didn't see the signs.

Now tell us about how good a rider you are, and how your environmental awareness is so good you see everything.

So there.

Because probably like me..he doesnt give a fuck about your "posted speed limit change" and your speed signs because those wont kill me, the stupid lady making turn without indicating or cop making U-turn will though!

..he just happened to notice your new money collecting venture and wanted to warn us about it!

[Pixie]

Revenue's down - they have to do something!
Speed limit fanaticism was always going to cause the average speed to decrease and along with it the funding for COPS Corp.
A catch 22 situation - it's either have clandestine teams cutting Joe Public's brakelines to get him to speed up or lower the speed limit on some of the straightest roads in the country.

[-df-]

I have no idea how long the longest passing lane is, but if you do get ticketed in an 80, especially a newly installed one, there is a possible defence. There is a requirement for the speed limit signs to be repeated at least every 2.6km. If they aren't then you have a valid reason for assuming the speed limit is 100km/h, as along as you have travelled that distance since the last sign that is. There is also a requirement for repeater signs in 60 and 70k speed limits and from experience many local authorities don't bother.

Do you have a link to the relevant law for this? be interested in reading it.

[red mermaid]

MK, please, when are you going to start ignoring that stupid keep left rule?

Come on big fella, show us how its done, after all its just another of those stupid laws to ignore.



Because probably like me..he doesnt give a fuck about your "posted speed limit change" and your speed signs because those wont kill me, the stupid lady making turn without indicating or cop making U-turn will though!

..he just happened to notice your new money collecting venture and wanted to warn us about it!

[Berries]

Do you have a link to the relevant law for this? be interested in reading it.
Table 8.1 on page 24 of the 2003 Rule which can be found on the right hand side of this page here - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/setting-speed-limits-amendment-2005-qa.html

The Rule assumes that 50 and 100km/h speed limits are obvious, but anything in between requires a repeater sign a maximum distance apart based on travel times, about two minutes if I recall correctly.

[rastuscat]

Over the weekend of the 4km/h tolerance shambles I spent a few minutes trying to keep within the tolerance.

It was surprisingly easy. I watched the speedo until I was travelling at 100 then merely glanced at it every 20 seconds or so.

Oddly, I was fairly accurate, and it was easy to do.

I didn't have to keep my eyes off the road much at all, as all the KB posters have claimed.

Still, maybe I'll add that to the list of riding skills I have; being able to perceive and monitor speed without having to constantly focus on the speedo.

Spooky really, don't speed and you don't get speeding tickets. You don't need cash, credit cards or even a cheque book. No free steak knives though.

So there.

[miloking]

Over the weekend of the 4km/h tolerance shambles I spent a few minutes trying to keep within the tolerance.

It was surprisingly easy. I watched the speedo until I was travelling at 100 then merely glanced at it every 20 seconds or so.

Oddly, I was fairly accurate, and it was easy to do.

I didn't have to keep my eyes off the road much at all, as all the KB posters have claimed.

Still, maybe I'll add that to the list of riding skills I have; being able to perceive and monitor speed without having to constantly focus on the speedo.

Spooky really, don't speed and you don't get speeding tickets. You don't need cash, credit cards or even a cheque book. No free steak knives though.

So there.

Yeah yeah, most of us can keep constant speed bellow the "speed limit" thats not the problem but most us just dont want to.....so there.

[miloking]

MK, please, when are you going to start ignoring that stupid keep left rule?

Come on big fella, show us how its done, after all its just another of those stupid laws to ignore.

I try to ignore it but there are always some other cars heading the other way..but .maybe if get realy bright headlights it will make them pull over hopefuly.

[rastuscat]

Yeah yeah, most of us can keep constant speed bellow the "speed limit" thats not the problem but most us just dont want to.....so there.

OI MK !! Don't pinch my signoff.

So there.

[Rogue Rider]

Rustuscat, I don't see your point, if you take a look at the sign posts that have been positioned perhaps we could get your professional opinion.... oh wait, that would mean draggin your ass away from your sheep in the south island lol.... Perhaps you would be better suited riding your sheep than a motorcycle, I'd feel alot safer knowin your not on the road. lol.



Funny !! For the limit to be enforced it has to be sign posted, and yet by your own admission you were unaware of the speed limit change.

I guess that means you didn't see the signs.

Now tell us about how good a rider you are, and how your environmental awareness is so good you see everything.

So there.

[The Pastor]

Renegade Master - I've always wondered who is the most kick ass KB'er.



Its obviosuly dangerous basterd, by a long long shot.

[george formby]

Fek, arse. Looking forward to going over the Brynderwyns is the only thing that makes the Ruakaka straights bearable:scooter:. Now, because the easiest & cheapest way to keep bad drivers from crashing on a corner is a reduced speed limit I will probably be leaving or joining SH1 at the Swinging Cow. The "safer" SH1 gets the longer it takes me to get to Auckland. If the powers that be refuse to educate road users properly & continue to choke perfectly good highways I'm going to be riding gravel roads in a few years. Gonna need a tent & a billy can when I head south. :bye:
Lazy, self serving, money grabbing, idiot pandering bureaucrats. :buggerd:Don't solve the problem, just keep it at arms length. Grrrrr.:angry:

[-df-]

Table 8.1 on page 24 of the 2003 Rule which can be found on the right hand side of this page here - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/setting-speed-limits-amendment-2005-qa.html

The Rule assumes that 50 and 100km/h speed limits are obvious, but anything in between requires a repeater sign a maximum distance apart based on travel times, about two minutes if I recall correctly.

Cheers for that