Where are the Moto2 Haters? (WARNING- SILVERSTONE SPOILER)

[CHOPPA]

Racing doesnt get better then that!

Id rather watch Moto2 then any other racing atm

[sinfull]

Racing doesnt get better then that!

Id rather watch Moto2 then any other racing atm Cool ! Can only wish Aye

[onearmedbandit]

MotoGP is too under subscribed now, I think at the end of the last race there were about 13 bikes circulating, and excluding Rossi there were only a couple of retirees. If, and that's a big if, you're lucky you might see 3 bikes competing for the lead. However, Moto2 as you point out Sloane, is where the real racing is at. 40+ bikes on the grid, battles between anything from 3 to 7 or 8 bikes at any part of the field. With the control engines and tyres it has made for close, entertaining edge of the seat racing. The 125's are a close second, the racing sometimes being a bit closer but the speeds (on the straights) are much slower. Nothing wrong with that, those things corner like they're on rails 4 or 5 abreast, but the Moto2 has that as well as the speed on the bits between the bends.

[rachprice]

It was good racing but I still found the big boys more exciting!

Actually thought I would see more carnage!

[Hitcher]

Moto2 is great competition. Having a stock bike is a great idea and it's a great way for young riders to hone their craft before stepping up to the main event.

[sinfull]

Giz a go !

[rustys]

Moto2 is great competition. Having a stock bike is a great idea and it's a great way for young riders to hone their craft before stepping up to the main event.

Thats what racing is all about, this class is briliant, just a crowd pleaser, keeps you on the edge the whole race you never no whose going to win.
Keep it "STOCK" and affordable and look a the entrys, with more teams racing.

Thats what we want in little NZ.

[roadracingoldfart]

Moto2 is great competition. Having a stock bike is a great idea and it's a great way for young riders to hone their craft before stepping up to the main event.

I would argue that the main event is now shifting focus to Moto2 , its close , hottly contested racing like it should be.
I liken it to what Superbikes was in the beginning when we could all identify with the bikes and the riders were (in the main) strangers to us and that way the following of them wasnt swayed until they stood out from the crowd for whatever reason. As we all get to know the riders a bit more (apart from the ex 2 stroke brigade) i believe the class will start to take on an entirely differant slant and become very very popular. Its a world champ class and as such will attract riders of the talent required to do well within it.
Some of the struggling riders in other classes could do ok in this class as the likes of Moto GP was too costly and fast for them and if from WSB the money ran out to run multiple bikes / teams.
As much as i like Moto GP i prefer WSBK and Moto2 for watching pleasure.

Paul.

[Shaun]

Moto2 is great competition. Having a stock bike is a great idea and it's a great way for young riders to hone their craft before stepping up to the main event.

Stock bikes in Moto2? I think you must be on drugs

[scuzeme]

I tuned in late knowing id miss the 125's, to my huge dismay they ran the Moto2 first so missed my favorite race :( Moto GP was fairly exciting, felt for mr Hayden missing out on that podium.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The race was aweasome no doubt about it. BUT...that doesn't mean I wouldn't rather see proper GP bikes doing the same thing like the hey day of 250's. Silverstone's layout certainly helped. You moto 2 lovers were pretty quiet last round after one guy simply fucked off into the distance???

[onearmedbandit]

No results in this thread please guys. Not all of us have seen the race yet.

[lukemillar]

Who the hell hates moto2? One of the best race series this year. I look forward to it more than the 800s

[Badjelly]

You Moto2 lovers were pretty quiet last round after one guy simply fucked off into the distance???

Surely you jest, Mr Crasher? Moto2 at Mugello had a marvellous battle for 2nd. No-one bothered to point it out because every Moto2 race this year has had great racing.

[onearmedbandit]

That was a great race at Mugello. Fantastic battle for 2nd and surely some major head scratching going on as to why the Italian rider gapped everyone else like he did. He wasn't the only Italian in the race, so home track advantage doesn't hold too much water.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Surely you jest, Mr Crasher? Moto2 at Mugello had a marvellous battle for 2nd. No-one bothered to point it out because every Moto2 race this year has had great racing.

It's just odd that when Lorenzo fucks off at the front at Silverstone...and we have an awesome race for 2nd-5th..everyone says it's crap. Yet when Moto-2 has the same thing...it's awesome!?

[CHOPPA]

Who the hell hates moto2? One of the best race series this year. I look forward to it more than the 800s

Mate when the new rules came out it seemed everyone was having a sookylala that it would be shit etc etc Im not sure the lap times are even as fast as supersport but the racing is brilliant!

[onearmedbandit]

It's just odd that when Lorenzo fucks off at the front at Silverstone...and we have an awesome race for 2nd-5th..everyone says it's crap. Yet when Moto-2 has the same thing...it's awesome!?

Ah thanks for the result Pete. Obviosly I haven't seen that race, it may have been a great one. I don't think however anyone is hating as such on MotoGP, it'sstill the number 1 class with some riveting action. But comparing numbers with numbers, 18 (maximum) bikes vs 42? It's simple. If the MotoGP class was better subscribed then there would be no discussion.

And yes thanks for the result again.

[edit] I've now added a warning to this thread.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate when the new rules came out it seemed everyone was having a sookylala that it would be shit etc etc Im not sure the lap times are even as fast as supersport but the racing is brilliant!

That's what I have against them. Whilst the racing is often really good...they're slower than the 250's they replace...and they don't burn oil like the smokers they replace! But...like the four strokes in Moto-GP...I'm sure I'll eventually admit defeat and get into them 100%. Times...they are a changin.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ah thanks for the result Pete.

And yes thanks for the result again.

[edit] I've now added a warning to this thread.

Sorry mate...my bad! Owe you a beer!

P

[lukemillar]

Mate when the new rules came out it seemed everyone was having a sookylala that it would be shit etc etc Im not sure the lap times are even as fast as supersport but the racing is brilliant!

Hmm, I must have missed the anti-moto2 hype. Been looking forward to this series since the announced it and it has really delivered. 40+ bikes on the grid and apart from Mugello, the winner has always come down to the final lap! Doesn't get better than that.

As for laptimes - you're right, they're slower. At the tracks that GP and WSS have shared so far both the old 250s and Laverty's CBR have been ~2 secs a lap quicker!

[lukemillar]

That's what I have against them. Whilst the racing is often really good...they're slower than the 250's they replace...and they don't burn oil like the smokers they replace! But...like the four strokes in Moto-GP...I'm sure I'll eventually admit defeat and get into them 100%. Times...they are a changin.

Laptimes are for qualifying. I'd take close racing over quicker laptimes any day of the week.

You should pick up the moto2 crack pipe because it is addictive!

[CHOPPA]

The Moto Gp race was a cracker as well i must admit! Although not for the lead.... Maybe it was the new track that closed everyone up

[Ooky]

moto2 is great watching I only wish at least one team ran a 2T just because they still could! free season win and a good comparison for why the smokers where still world champ bikes!

[eelracing]

But...like the four strokes in Moto-GP...I'm sure I'll eventually admit defeat and get into them 100%. Times...they are a changin.

Don't do it Crasher it's an evil Dorna plot to bring back a dull as dishwater European race style to crush the tail sliding rev happy American/Commonwealth domination,pioneered by King Kenny and honed to a killer edge by Mighty Mick.

I will never go over to the dark side.

[CHOPPA]

Don't do it Crasher it's an evil Dorna plot to bring back a dull as dishwater European race style to crush the tail sliding rev happy American/Commonwealth domination,pioneered by King Kenny and honed to a killer edge by Mighty Mick.

I will never go over to the dark side.

Do you not see the Moto2 bikes backing it in sideways, highsides big slappers its all on! The 250s were boring, even they had traction control on a few of them

[Crasherfromwayback]

The 250s were boring, even they had traction control on a few of them

So does your race bike. Bet it's not boring to ride.

[rachprice]

Do you not see the Moto2 bikes backing it in sideways, highsides big slappers its all on! The 250s were boring, even they had traction control on a few of them

2 strokes! 2 strokes dammit! they smell sexy, they sound sexy, they are the shit!!!!!!
Granted I don't quite know what the latest 250's are like.....but there is something about the fact they are way more loose that 4 strokes!

[BIG DOUG]

Two strokes,work of the devil I say.

[Sidewinder]

Moto2 is great competition. Having a stock bike is a great idea and it's a great way for young riders to hone their craft before stepping up to the main event. what do you mean young riders before stepping upto the main event, this is the main event and you have the likes of tony elis but fuck knows were he was in the last race tho

[Sidewinder]

That's what I have against them. Whilst the racing is often really good...they're slower than the 250's they replace...and they don't burn oil like the smokers they replace! But...like the four strokes in Moto-GP...I'm sure I'll eventually admit defeat and get into them 100%. Times...they are a changin.

who cares if there slower you tard its doesnt matter its an even playing field so it comes down to the team and rider for set up and skill which is what racing is all about

[Sidewinder]

The Moto Gp race was a cracker as well i must admit! Although not for the lead.... Maybe it was the new track that closed everyone up

yeah and ben got 3rd! i wanted stoner to crash lol

[BMWST?]

its great racing but i cant identify with a bike or rider.Formula racing with too many common denominators.It wont last.

[eelracing]

Do you not see the Moto2 bikes backing it in sideways, highsides big slappers its all on! The 250s were boring, even they had traction control on a few of them

Backing it in = overweight bus compared to 250's.(but does make for close racing)

Highsides = underdeveloped traction control (it's only a matter of time anyway)

Big slappers =Overdeveloped grid brolly dolly's.(always a plus)

It's good racing but it aint GP racing.
Two strokes are bred solely to race,to deny this is pure folly.

[Crasherfromwayback]

who cares if there slower you tard its doesnt matter its an even playing field so it comes down to the team and rider for set up and skill which is what racing is all about

Oh...you mean like production racing you fuckwit? That's my point knobstain...we already have PRODUCTION racing. And yes I know the chassis are all different etc etc. But ever heard of 600 SS? Ever been to a GP? Ever been to one when the 500's were still around? If so...doubt you'd be talking so much shit. Like it or not...four strokes have pretty much fucked road racing. Wouldn't be too many people around that been round long enough to remember the 500's that don't prefer them to todays electronically controlled slot bikes.

And before you wank off again...even the guys that've ridden both seem to prefer the 500's. So save your dribble for your boyfriends shaft.

[Sidewinder]

Backing it in = overweight bus compared to 250's.(but does make for close racing)

Highsides = underdeveloped traction control (it's only a matter of time anyway)

Big slappers =Overdeveloped grid brolly dolly's.(always a plus)

It's good racing but it aint GP racing.
Two strokes are bred solely to race,to deny this is pure folly.
um twostrokes were bred for scooters man

[Sidewinder]

Oh...you mean like production racing you fuckwit? That's my point knobstain...we already have PRODUCTION racing. And yes I know the chassis are all different etc etc. But ever heard of 600 SS? Ever been to a GP? Ever been to one when the 500's were still around? If so...doubt you'd be talking so much shit. Like it or not...four strokes have pretty much fucked road racing. Wouldn't be too many people around that been round long enough to remember the 500's that don't prefer them to todays electronically controlled slot bikes.

And before you wank off again...even the guys that've ridden both seem to prefer the 500's. So save your dribble for your boyfriends shaft.
wow i didnt know that old people could get the rag as much as you can! by the way we are heading to the future not the past its time to move on and get over things

[eelracing]

wow i didnt know that old people could get the rag as much as you can! by the way we are heading to the future not the past its time to move on and get over things

Yeh but your future is an electric scoot...or am I thinking to far out of your square.

[Sidewinder]

Yeh but your future is an electric scoot...or am I thinking to far out of your square.

a good future would be no gay scooters

[AllanB]

I remember the Castrol 6 hour races ........

[lukemillar]

what do you mean young riders before stepping upto the main event, this is the main event and you have the likes of tony elis but fuck knows were he was in the last race tho

Still went from 15 -> 10th on the last lap! That would have been one to watch

[Sidewinder]

Still went from 15 -> 10th on the last lap! That would have been one to watch

well he is the man!

[Duke girl]

No-one can say that the Moto2 hasn't been exciting to watch. It puts me on the edge of my seat every time I watch it and to see such a freight train of bikes going hell for leather from start to finish is truely spectacular.
I think its better viewing than the Moto GP.
Looking forward to watching the next round.

[Wingnut]

Still went from 15 -> 10th on the last lap! That would have been one to watch

Yea he had a bit of help with a couple binning it on the last lap..........

[Cleve]

Yea he had a bit of help with a couple binning it on the last lap..........

I think that was five binning it on the last lap. All into the same corner. Something on the track.
And Elias is only there because he couldn't get a MotoGP ride this year. He would leave Moto2 and be back there in a flash.

[Wingnut]

Do you not see the Moto2 bikes backing it in sideways, highsides big slappers its all on! The 250s were boring, even they had traction control on a few of them

Yea that one rider "Hernandez" was unreal at backing it in- ex Motard rider they were saying. Although it didn't look as fast as the conventional cornering approach, it was cool to watch. I would love to watch that live.

[FROSTY]

The only negative I have on the subject is that theres nothing in it for the rest of the bike manufacturers besides honda.The effect may be to stunt future development of 600/675 bikes.

[Maido]

The only negative I have on the subject is that theres nothing in it for the rest of the bike manufacturers besides honda.The effect may be to stunt future development of 600/675 bikes.

They are still running the world SS in superbikes, that is where all the development for the 600's (besides motogp and wsbk) happens. And the class they took over from was 2 stroke.
I would doubt this will stunt the growth of future 600 bikes.

[Wingnut]

The only negative I have on the subject is that theres nothing in it for the rest of the bike manufacturers besides honda.The effect may be to stunt future development of 600/675 bikes.

I'd say most development would be derived directly from Moto GP then on to WSS for the likes of the 600s IMO. They had to do something regardless. I think they have got a good situation going with the Moto 2.

[sAsLEX]

Laptimes are for qualifying. I'd take close racing over quicker laptimes any day of the week.

You should pick up the moto2 crack pipe because it is addictive!

Race times for a lot of the pack in the front of the GP are approaching if not beating their qualifying times on the odd lap!

[FROSTY]

I'd say most development would be derived directly from Moto GP then on to WSS for the likes of the 600s IMO. They had to do something regardless. I think they have got a good situation going with the Moto 2.
NO argument there at all.Apsolutely none. The racing is fantastic. -I just expressed my concern

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm no real moto 2 fan yet...nor am I a Honda loving poof...but this here bike of Roger Haydens sure is a sexy race bike!

[vifferman]

Sorry mate...my bad! Owe you a beer!

P

Yeah, you owe me one too! (have to be low alcohol though...)
I was saving the MotoGP DVDs that MacD gave me for when I'd run outta other things to do during my convalescence.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Next time you're in Wellingtown...sing out! And get well soon!

[eelracing]

I'm no real moto 2 fan yet...nor am I a Honda loving poof...but this here bike of Roger Haydens sure is a sexy race bike!

Notice Schwantz's name on the nose? As I understand it he is managing the team...another mistake of Suzuki's letting him go.Just as bad as letting Spies get away and is symptomatic of there current GP programme I reckon.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah when I read that he was involved...I thought the same. Still, he's been using Hondas for his schools as well as Suzukis for a while now. Talking of Hondas...you know anyone that wants a lovely 79 CR250?

[Grubber]

I really enjoy the thrill of watching the likes of Rossi and co doing their thing for the simple pleasure of speed and skills. But have to say that they Moto2 is awesome racing as a spectator. They are close and big grids. All thats needed to be a great racing spectacle.
Only thing i would say is....would be nice to have other manufacturers building engines etc so one can pick sides to join the fan club.

[eelracing]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1129805967 Talking of Hondas...you know anyone that wants a lovely 79 CR250?[/QUOTE]

I can ask around,how much?Or you could try posting it up on here http://livewire.gen.nz/forum.htm

[eelracing]

Only thing i would say is....would be nice to have other manufacturers building engines etc so one can pick sides to join the fan club.

And that in a nutshell is the biggest pisser for me regarding Moto2, it's a compromised premise.

A race class pushed through by Dorna and a glad-handing Honda with no real thought to true prototype racing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can ask around,how much?Or you could try posting it up on here http://livewire.gen.nz/forum.htm

7k...here it is.

[Ivan]

I'm no real moto 2 fan yet...nor am I a Honda loving poof...but this here bike of Roger Haydens sure is a sexy race bike!


Whats the deal with this ride as he is a signed Kawasaki Rider in Superbike???

[Crasherfromwayback]

I gather he's got a one off dispensation the compete at the GP?

[denill]

Andrew Pitt to replace Alex De Angelis in Moto2

Dual World Champion Andrew Pitt will replace Alex De Angelis on the Scot Racing Team GP210 at Brno as the Italian rider replaces injured Japanese ace
Hiroshi Aoyama in the MotoGP class.

With vast MotoGP, superbike and supersport experience, Andrew will help the team develop and evolve the bike beginning with testing in Italy in a fortnight.
Andrew Pitt, “It’s a great opportunity for me to return to grand prix racing and the team are happy. I’ll help them with the switch from Showa to Ohlins suspension and with engine settings as I have Honda 600 experience.

“It’s definitely an extremely competitive and tough class so I’m looking forward to the challenge. It should be like the old days in world supersport when there were full grids and 15 possible winners in every race. I’m looking forward to testing the machine and then racing at Brno”.

[Cleve]

And that in a nutshell is the biggest pisser for me regarding Moto2, it's a compromised premise.

A race class pushed through by Dorna and a glad-handing Honda with no real thought to true prototype racing.

pah! That's the just the engine. What does that matter? All the rest is prototype. Frame, suspension, body work, exhausts... lots of different providers. What was 250 or 125 but Aprilia anyway...? Moto2 is far superior in terms of mixture and variety - if you ignore the little thing about all engines coming from one manufacturer.. (anyway in the future that may change as World economic situation etc improves)

[eelracing]

pah! That's the just the engine. What does that matter? All the rest is prototype. Frame, suspension, body work, exhausts.

Prototype my arse...in fact I crapped out a better one this morning after brekky.

They're all based on the same engine,airbox config's and electronics...it aint no secret that they all look the same either,go the same and sound the same.How's that different from the twofiddy's thay replaced?
If Dorna came out and called it MotoProduction i'd believe it.

Make no mistake, those in charge now are are not interested in GP racing but merely lining their pockets in the name of making a show.I bet half of em hav'nt even ridden let alone raced a motorbike.

MotoGP is gonna be next.Sooner rather than later.

[Cleve]

Prototype my arse...in fact I crapped out a better one this morning after brekky.

:laugh: hmmm thanks for the image...