Woohoo! Go All Whites!

[Bren]

First goal to All Whites vs Italy....


FARKIN AWESOME!

[onearmedbandit]

Hell yes. They're looking a lot more confident already in this game.

[onearmedbandit]

Although the acting in it (mostly from the Italians) is really beginning to annoy.

[Bren]

Farkin Ref aint helping....he seems biased

[onearmedbandit]

Holding onto the player in front of the goal was always going to be a risky move.

[helenoftroy]

Im at work,we have pushed 8 spinal patients beds down to the dayroom to watch the match on the big screen...

Party time at Burwood !!:Punk:

[Ronin]

That's a lot of pressure we are soaking up.

[Quasi]

was an awesome start.......

[Ronin]

was an awesome start.......

if you know what I mean

[Hitcher]

Two goals. Two dodgy refereeing decisions. Such is life...

[onearmedbandit]

I couldn't quite make it out, did Reid get his head to the ball? Looked very close. Regardless, it's in the past.

[Hitcher]

I couldn't quite make it out, did Reid get his head to the ball? Looked very close. Regardless, it's in the past.

I don't think it was clear cut. The decision could easily have gone in Italy's favour. We'll take it though!

[Hitcher]

I couldn't quite make it out, did Reid get his head to the ball? Looked very close. Regardless, it's in the past.

I don't think it was clear cut. The decision could easily have gone in Italy's favour. We'll take it though!

[sinfull]

Now they're runnin it ! How much steam they got ?

[sinfull]

Fuck i'm sorry guys but what with this touch the back of my head and i'll grab my face and scream in pain shit ?

[sinfull]

Awwwwwwwwwwwww

[Ronin]

Paston for President.

[sinfull]

Woooo hooo free kick to us

[sinfull]

That was one happy paston !!!!! ! I might have another bourbon hick !

[cromagnon]

wooohoooo, a draw with the current world champions!

[Bren]

Yup....David and Goliath as the commentator said!!!!

The best draw I have ever seen!!!!

[Quasi]

OMG - Paston rocks - fuck, the All Whites rock. I think i even cried a little.

Nite all

[sinfull]

A good team would have won that lol so much defence, how ya spose to win with all them men back grrrr

[sinfull]

Condolences Urano

[sinfull]

Bwahahahahahahahaha

[Brian d marge]

OMG

simply fantastic

Stephen

[Urano]

:laugh: :laugh:
as i've said, i'm prolly the only italian not so concerned about soccer... and, after all, i'm thinkin about adopting nz as my new country, so i'd be a winner anyway... ;) ;) ;)

the result is way right. your first goal was not regular, but our penalty has been "stolen"... so a draw is the right end.
italy has tried more, but as usual they don't make any result to their actions; you've been more conservative, a lot of defense, but the few actions you've done have ended with beautiful shots...

the difference is that you, starting from your "position" as team, made an astonishing match; we, starting as world champions, have been shaming...
so, much congrats... :niceone: :niceone:

[LBD]

The 1 all draw is a bit un fair.....the all whites deserve 10 bonus points for their sportsmanship behaviour (Helping Italian players up of the ground, and shaking hands with the ref) and for their lack of primadonna hollywood antics....and their total lack of telling the referee how to do his job....and for not combing their hair during the 1/2 time break (Probably)

[SS90]

and for not combing their hair during the 1/2 time break (Probably)

No, that is reserved for the AllBlacks.

[Urano]

The 1 all draw is a bit un fair.....the all whites deserve 10 bonus points for their sportsmanship behaviour (Helping Italian players up of the ground, and shaking hands with the ref) and for their lack of primadonna hollywood antics....and their total lack of telling the referee how to do his job....and for not combing their hair during the 1/2 time break (Probably)

:laugh: right... right...
but you have to understand: being a soccer player here is nothing less than be an hollywood primadonna. soccer player here earn about 5-10 million euros a year, they're kept in consideration for everything, they are asked for opinion for everything, even if declaring war to the u.s.a. or not... :D :D :D
on the other hand, seriously, your players have probably rugby past, and they have to keep their elbows down, at least not to help primadonnas in their acting ;)

uh, by the way: your number 1 (how do you call the player in front of the door?) was BY FAR the best player on the field... :)

[Quasi]

:laugh: right... right...
uh, by the way: your number 1 (how do you call the player in front of the door?) was BY FAR the best player on the field... :)

haha - but you are so right Urano - our player, in front of the door, played the best game of his life. Was beautiful to see.

And you have been so gracious and charming tonight, that we will happily let you adopt us

[Motoracer]

Watching the game with my Aotearoa/NZ Tshirt in the midst of the Italian comunity in Frankfurt was very exciting and tense at the same time.

I felt damn proud. Go the all whites!!

[Maha]

I feel a little bit ashamed in that, I never really gave the All Whites a chance in pool play.
They have proved that they have right to be there (at the world cup) and may they advance further.
Well dont the All Whites.

[Mully]

"Oh my God. The All Whites aren't disgracing themselves! Quickly, to the bandwagon!"

[oldrider]

I feel a little bit ashamed in that, I never really gave the All Whites a chance in pool play.
They have proved that they have right to be there (at the world cup) and may they advance further.
Well dont the All Whites.

I agree and welcome them the enjoyment of their moment......but now all the "silliness" intensifies and I am sick of it already! :sick:

Well done Allwhites! :yes: (respect)

[Headbanger]

Just goes to show they have been slacking off for the last 25 years.

Slackers.

[Swoop]

I wonder if the aussies will be claiming this game as a victory for their vaunted "Australaisian" football team?

Love the Tui billboard on the NW motorway at the moment!!:rofl:

[ynot slow]

23 SHOTS ON GOAL,give the city to Paston,man he played the game of his life,and if we qualify to next round payout is $9mill US,big difference to our coffers,hope the fish heads use it wisely.

Penalty was dodgy,but rules are no holding a player back,seems that is bit like foward pass in rugby,you gets the rub of the green or not.

People say the games lack goals,but nil all can be exciting as 5-0 at times.

The height of our guys certainly helped,but Italy seem to be like the ABs in 1991,too many stayed on after use by date.

[allycatz]

So if Paraquay 'throw' their game then both Paraquay and All Whites would both go through and Italy would be out....interesting comment just on the News. Awesome game and well worth losing my much needed beauty sleep for , even the cat was watching!

[ynot slow]

So if Paraquay 'throw' their game then both Paraquay and All Whites would both go through and Italy would be out....interesting comment just on the News. Awesome game and well worth losing my much needed beauty sleep for , even the cat was watching!

Yep hope the tab didn't hear that lol,we won't be paying $15 to win.Thought it was Slovenia myself,but did hear a comment on the next game.

[GOONR]

Outstanding result, just goes to show how far determination can get you, even against a team ranked 73 places above you!!

Bring it on, 2am Friday Paraguay vs New Zealand. I'll be glued to the TV.

[allycatz]

Given that soccer in NZ now has more youngsters signed up than rugby, one would hope the government will put more funds soccers way, given that their argument is that we fail to play to an international standard

[ynot slow]

Unfortunately we will recieve about $5mill US for starting tournament,another $4mill if we qualify to second round so can't see any govt funding,and really don't need it as much as other sports.Mind you compare that to what the govt has chucked for rugby world cup with stadiums,roading and various infrastructure.

And with the all whites doing so bloody great and being the team of moment the profile of NZ is immense for tourism and people asking where the hell is NZ.

[martybabe]

And with the all whites doing so bloody great and being the team of moment the profile of NZ is immense for tourism and people asking where the hell is NZ.

That's exactly it my friend, there is no bigger stage for sporting achievement and, like it or not, even if the ABs win every world cup until the end of days, they could never eclipse the positive exposure for NZ that the All Whites have already achieved.

The world is watching NZ right now, if we make it to the next round you will not believe the media storm that will come knocking at our doorstep and the people that will want a little piece of the little country that lived a dream, this is the stuff of sporting legend, brought to you by a bunch of ordinary blokes doing an extraordinary thing...GO THE FECKING ALL WHITES!!:not:

[Mully]

And the coach is off contract at the end of the Cup.

I suspect his price will go up now.

[Headbanger]

Unfortunately we will recieve about $5mill US for starting tournament,another $4mill if we qualify to second round so can't see any govt funding,and really don't need it as much as other sports.Mind you compare that to what the govt has chucked for rugby world cup with stadiums,roading and various infrastructure.

And with the all whites doing so bloody great and being the team of moment the profile of NZ is immense for tourism and people asking where the hell is NZ.

Yeah, I'm afraid the yachting guys need the money.

Sorry Soccer.

[onearmedbandit]

I stayed up and watched the whole game, but I'll say I almost turned the telly off watching the fucking 'hollywoods' the players pulled. Yes yes I know it's all part of milking the penalty, but my god you fucking pussies. If everyone in sports acted like that we wouldn't need to ever watch movies again. Get a bump to the chest? Fall to the ground clutching said chest grimacing in pain like you've just been kicked by the biggest maddest bull the world has ever seen. Someones foot touches your shin? Fall to the ground clutching said shin grimacing in pain like you've just been kicked by the biggest maddest bull the world has ever seen. You jump in the air challenging for the ball, and another players arm brushes your face? Fall to the ground clutching said face grim.....ah I think you get the idea.

Embarrassing at the best. Imagine the damage a 5yr old with a bad attitude and too much sugar could do to a football team.

[Mudfart]

yeah the farkin eyeties were shocking with their hollywooding.
unfortunately this reflects on how crappy FIFA (the mafia) rule the sport.
The referee and all ref's obviously have a preconceived idea that NZ are crap, before the game starts.
So, when one of the worlds top teams players falls over claiming foul, he immediately gets it.
Hopefully this world cup is showing the world we are not just hori's running round in grass skirts, and I hear some countries are talking about us quite alot.

[McWild]

It was a really impressive game, made for a great night too, watching the MotoGP followed by the football.
There were moments when it really would not have been unrealistic for the All Whites to score a winning goal. Chris Wood looked monumentally gutted when a strike of his must have missed the goal by no more than a metre in the second half.

Only complaint is, as you all have said, the Hollywood antics of the Italians. Really made me lose a lot of respect for them.

[ynot slow]

Re hollywoods,go watch any local league game,preferably higher level and you'll find no hollywoods from the players.Gives the game a bad look agreed,and worse at top players like world cup.The refs usually book the actor in local league,which as said is rare.

[oldrider]

Unfortunately I didn't sit up and watch the game......do you think there is a chance they might just play a repeat on the telly? :confused:

[Milts]

Unfortunately I didn't sit up and watch the game......do you think there is a chance they might just play a repeat on the telly? :confused:

Only every news hour for the next month mate...

[martybabe]

The great pretenders/wankers

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[Hitcher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVGtB9j7QCg

[Mudfart]

classic. doesnt apply to our boys tho!
hell, some of our guys aren't even professional players, they have day jobs!. also your not respected as world class until yoiur entire team knows how to hollywood a penalty, in the goal box, as Italy showed us.

[Urano]

Given that soccer in NZ now has more youngsters signed up than rugby, one would hope the government will put more funds soccers way, given that their argument is that we fail to play to an international standard

be VERY careful at what you desire...

[Cayman911]

Fuck yeah! The all whites are doing new zealand proud!

although i think you guys here need a shit tonne more spirit!

mark paston should be the new zealander of the year!

[oldrider]

Soccer world cup players will be top of the Oscar nominations this year!

It's hard to take the game seriously especially if you just watch it with the sound off.

Next game will probably be more of a reality check for the home team though, if they can pull off some more of the same with these guy's it will be more convincing.

The home side goalie has to be right up there with the best of them, I thought his performance against Italy was obviously excellent!

[Mudfart]

perhaps if more people played soccer our ACC levies would drop......

[MisterD]

And the coach is off contract at the end of the Cup.

I suspect his price will go up now.

Liverpool are manager-less at the moment...what say you, Mashman?

[Cayman911]

perhaps if more people played soccer our ACC levies would drop......

lol you cant seriously be suggesting rugby is less harsh?

[Oakie]

Re hollywoods, go watch any local league game, preferably higher level and you'll find no hollywoods from the players.

Agreed. I played for years than coached and ref'd for three years and I don't recall ever seeing another player pull a hollywood. The only one I recall was me in a friendly game where someone tackled me so I leapt about three feet in the air and crashed down like I'd been shot in the leg. All in good fun though.

[Oscar]

Agreed. I played for years than coached and ref'd for three years and I don't recall ever seeing another player pull a hollywood. The only one I recall was me in a friendly game where someone tackled me so I leapt about three feet in the air and crashed down like I'd been shot in the leg. All in good fun though.

I yellow carded one in Sunday League.
Little fucker went down like a $5 hooker...

[Oakie]

I yellow carded one in Sunday League.
Little fucker went down like a $5 hooker...

Good on ya. Do that a few times and they'll get sick of it. I suppose it comes under the heading of 'ungentlemanly conduct'?

[Oscar]

Good on ya. Do that a few times and they'll get sick of it. I suppose it comes under the heading of 'ungentlemanly conduct'?

It's called cheating.






Actually FIFA calls it "simulation", but I like my name betterer...

[scracha]

perhaps if more people played soccer our ACC levies would drop......
Perhaps if more keyboard warriors played soccer they'd realise it's a proper hard sport. Can you spell...arthroscopy, groin strain, concussion, shin splints, pulled hamstring?

[oldrider]

I see this thread has slipped away down the line even though they are playing again tonight!

Even though I am not a soccer enthusiast I still wish them all the best for the game tonight, it is their biggest moment yet and they are representing NZ! (in black, our real national colour)

So yeah, go the all whites in black! Good luck! :banana:

[Cayman911]

im fully behind them and i believe they are gonna win! you know why? cause they kick ass and they're actualy a good team who play good.

Go to top 16 guys! :D

[onearmedbandit]

So who's staying up for the game?

[Bren]

Ya think I would miss it.....Got my chips beside me and some sparkling duet lol....too late for beers

[Bren]

Makes ya proud to hear the National Anthem

[onearmedbandit]

Pretty close game so far, maybe Paraguay are showing their superior ball retention.

[McWild]

NZ's biggest problem seems to be Paraguay's midfield defence. As soon as we get the ball we just get pounced on by the midfield. We need Bertos to throw a few more corners I reckon.
Paston must be just about asleep compared to last time too.

And what was with the slap on H Valdez' head about earlier on?

Should also mention that I'm very impressed by the lack of theatrics this match, on both sides. Just getting up and brushing themselves off, good on them.

[Hitcher]

It's not just the same with the black jerseys.

[onearmedbandit]

Fuck Nelson out for the next game if we make it.

[onearmedbandit]

Less theatrics yes, but still a lot of acting.

[McWild]

Thank god for Paston!

And yeah Nelsen will be a huge loss should we make it through

[Gremlin]

This is pretty neat... http://www.3news.co.nz/All-Whites-vs-Paraguay-LIVE-UPDATES/tabid/415/articleID/162576/Default.aspx?ArticleID=162576

[onearmedbandit]

Our fate is now in the hands of the gods then eh. But well done to the boys, undefeated in their group against the likes of Italy and Paraguay.

[Gremlin]

awww... their run has come to an end... but damn, what a good show boys!

[McWild]

Holy shit Slovakia just beat Italy

The Italian coach frickin stormed off, and several Italian players were crying. First time not in the knockouts since 1974.

[cromagnon]

Holy shit Slovakia just beat Italy

The Italian coach frickin stormed off, and several Italian players were crying. First time not in the knockouts since 1974.

Yup we beat them in the group too. New Zealand 3rd, Italy 4th!

[McWild]

It is a damn shame that NZ didn't get through, but I am absolutely stunned by their performance so far. Points wise they finished ahead of Italy, which I think very much counts for something.

What they've done for NZ soccer is monumental. I feel sure that in all future international NZ soccer expeditions, they'll have their names mentioned. Legends.

[scracha]

It is a damn shame that NZ didn't get through, but I am absolutely stunned by their performance so far. Points wise they finished ahead of Italy, which I think very much counts for something.

What they've done for NZ soccer is monumental. I feel sure that in all future international NZ soccer expeditions, they'll have their names mentioned. Legends.
I feel we need a public holiday today as a national day of mourning.

[Kiwi Graham]

The boys have done us proud, a fantastic effort......undefeated in their group awesome.
Perhaps Italy need to concentrate on training ball skills and passion instead of cheating, and France what a bunch of overpaid whingers.
Fly the All Whites back 1st class NZ.

[DMNTD]

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1277405499/092/3853092.jpg

[shrub]

Thank God that's over. I watched the game, and that's probably the last soccer game I'll watch. A hell of an achievement though, especially as the paraguayans looked like much better players, but 93 minutes to get a nil-all draw? Kind of like watching 93 minutes of maiden overs in cricket.

[Ronin]

Only the second team ever to be undefeated and yet not make it through.

[oldrider]

Well, they proved they are really great defenders, all they have to do now is learn to attack and "WIN"!

Before you build a house you have to build sound foundations!

They have built the foundations, maybe they will finish the house at their next appearance at the world cup!

Third time lucky? Well, good luck to them anyway, they are definitely making progress on the world stage.

Like they say in the cheese advertisements, good things take time! :rolleyes:

[Bald Eagle]

Thank God that's over. I watched the game, and that's probably the last soccer game I'll watch. A hell of an achievement though, especially as the paraguayans looked like much better players, but 93 minutes to get a nil-all draw? Kind of like watching 93 minutes of maiden overs in cricket.

I didn't watch it, and I didn't have any paint to watch drying so I went to sleep instead. much better outcome.

[shrub]

I didn't watch it, and I didn't have any paint to watch drying so I went to sleep instead. much better outcome.

Smart move.

[MisterD]

Only the second team ever to be undefeated and yet not make it through.

Nope. I can think of England in 1958 and Belgium in 1998 off the top of my head.

Edit: Some research later - Cameroon in 1982

[Ronin]

Nope. I can think of England in 1958 and Belgium in 1998 off the top of my head.

Two things:

1: Seriously... who knows stuff like that?
2: The news reports must be wrong then.

[wysper]

I thought the news said 4th team to be in that situation.

I think the did really well. Paraguay weren't taking them lightly. They were working hard to shut us down as quickly as possible.

First time ever the first and second place getters from the previous world cup have been knocked out in group stage! Really opens the cup up.

[wysper]

Thank God that's over. I watched the game, and that's probably the last soccer game I'll watch. A hell of an achievement though, especially as the paraguayans looked like much better players, but 93 minutes to get a nil-all draw? Kind of like watching 93 minutes of maiden overs in cricket.

Thats called a test match.

[Oscar]

Nope. I can think of England in 1958 and Belgium in 1998 off the top of my head.

Edit: Some research later - Cameroon in 1982

And Scotland in '82.
It was NZ's two goals against them that spoiled their goal diff. and put 'em out.

[Cayman911]

And the all whites have been undedeated in the world cup 2010! that is bloody fantastic!

*cough* australia got raped *cough*

about time NZ showed the world what we got

[shrub]

Thats called a test match.

The difference is, in a test match you have wickets and runs happening all the time and it's also a good excuse to spend 5 days in the pub. The game last night was like 93 minutes of maiden overs, and the other games were 90 odd minutes where only one or two runs were scored.

Soccer has become iconic because all you need to play a game is a piece of flat ground and something to kick whereas most other sports require a lot more infrastructure, so it's the most played sport. People form tribal identifications with the sides playing, and it becomes much more than a game, so whether it's interesting or exciting is irrelevant because it's a very primal transferrance of the desire to compete that is innate in human beings.

[wysper]

The difference is, in a test match you have wickets and runs happening all the time and it's also a good excuse to spend 5 days in the pub. The game last night was like 93 minutes of maiden overs, and the other games were 90 odd minutes where only one or two runs were scored.

Soccer has become iconic because all you need to play a game is a piece of flat ground and something to kick whereas most other sports require a lot more infrastructure, so it's the most played sport. People form tribal identifications with the sides playing, and it becomes much more than a game, so whether it's interesting or exciting is irrelevant because it's a very primal transferrance of the desire to compete that is innate in human beings.

I guess it is just me, but I don't have to have something happening goal/wicket/runs etc every few seconds. I am happy to watch an enthralling (to me) contest. I used to enjoy the old 6-3 test matches where a win was ground out. The new high speed rugby can be fun to watch but isn't as absorbing (for me anyway). Plus I don't understand the rules anymore.

I think the drive for sports as an entertainment package is killing it as a contest. Sure some nil all draws are boring. But some are bloody thrilling. Some will never like football no matter what the score is and that is fine too.

I love both football and test cricket. I don't mind if a game is a draw. Sometimes that is the right result. Although I love the drama of penalty shoot outs too, been in my fair share of those. Sometimes as a keeper and sometimes as a striker. I would much rather be the keeper.

[oldrider]

And the all whites have been undedeated in the world cup 2010! that is bloody fantastic!

*cough* australia got raped *cough*

about time NZ showed the world what we got

It's about time New Zealand got to remember that the objective is to "WIN".................yes "WIN"..................damn it "WIN"!

When I was a teenager I was given a trophy for best "looser" at a boxing tournament.....I threw it in the river!

I went there to "WIN" and "FAILED"!

Doing well is nice but the "National" soccer team went there to "WIN"!

We must never lose sight of that "fact", that's what's turning us into a nation of wooses!

Best losers my arse! :oi-grr: celebrating mediocrity. :yes:

[Cayman911]

It's about time New Zealand got to remember that the objective is to "WIN".................yes "WIN"..................damn it "WIN"!


yeah but considering some people in the world didnt even know we had a soccer team and were shocked when we even qualified to get to the world cup,
and also considering we were pooled with some of the greatest teams in the world, including the previous world champions, i think the boys did bloody fantastic.

unlike the all blacks, or our other teams, they werent previous world champions, or the one of the best teams. they came with nothing and they even ranked above italy. and went home undefeated.
lets not forget what happend to australia too.

that says something, We have a brilliant future in football. mark paston is a legend.

[martybabe]

Brilliant stuff, undefeated amongst the worlds elite footballing nations, well done the All whites! Only got England left to support now against the old enemy (Germany), on current form they'll be on their way home shortly after that game but you just never know with footy....

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[oldrider]

yeah but considering some people in the world didnt even know we had a soccer team and were shocked when we even qualified to get to the world cup,
and also considering we were pooled with some of the greatest teams in the world, including the previous world champions, i think the boys did bloody fantastic.

unlike the all blacks, or our other teams, they werent previous world champions, or the one of the best teams. they came with nothing and they even ranked above italy. and went home undefeated.
lets not forget what happend to australia too.

that says something, We have a brilliant future in football. mark paston is a legend.

I didn't say I wasn't amazed and proud of their success to date, just don't want them and their supporters to forget the real objective is to "WIN"!

When you are up to your arse in alligators it is hard to stay focussed and remember that the original plan was to drain the swamp! :rolleyes:

[Bren]

Well, I am so proud of our boys...They did it, they got to the world cup and proved the doubters wrong...they were not there just to fill in the numbers and they did not embarrass themselves or us as a country.

From stregnth to stregnth...This year we proved we had a team, next time lets prove we can field a team that wins!

[Swoop]

Good on ya All Whites!

Just a shame that ya didn't progress further into the competition... so now we'll have to go back to being force-fed that thugby crap.:ar15:

[Maha]

Well, I am so proud of our boys...They did it, they got to the world cup and proved the doubters wrong...they were not there just to fill in the numbers and they did not embarrass themselves or us as a country.

From stregnth to stregnth...This year we proved we had a team, next time lets prove we can field a team that wins!

Yes a team that can win.

Alot to that statement Bren, all well in good resulting a draw but to progress in any competition you must result a win.
In saying that, the AW's can return home with the heads held high, no shame what so ever in not progessing further this time round.

All White player of the moment.....that Goal Keeper without doubt.

[JimO]

Yes a team that can win.

Alot to that statement Bren, all well in good resulting a draw but to progress in any competition you must result a win.
In saying that, the AW's can return home with the heads held high, no shame what so ever in not progessing further this time round.

All White player of the moment.....that Goal Keepr without doubt.

considering the money spent developing football in NZ compared to the money spent by other countrys we got a great result, Mark Paxton the goalie works for a living, probably the only goalie in the competition who isnt on a multi million dolar contract (the Italian goalie earns 22mill a year) our coach earns 50k the aussie coach earns 1.5mil .....sure they didnt win but they didnt lose either, everyone including most enzlanders didnt give them a chance and were hoping they didnt embarrass nz to much, comparing competitions they did far better than the all blacks at the last world cup ( a major embarrassment) who were expected to win but didnt..fucken good on them

[Winston001]

Thank God that's over. I watched the game, and that's probably the last soccer game I'll watch. A hell of an achievement though, especially as the Paraguayans looked like much better players, but 93 minutes to get a nil-all draw?

I'm with you!


I guess it is just me, but I don't have to have something happening goal/wicket/runs etc every few seconds. I am happy to watch an enthralling (to me) contest. I used to enjoy the old 6-3 test matches where a win was ground out. The new high speed rugby can be fun to watch but isn't as absorbing (for me anyway). Plus I don't understand the rules anymore.

I think the drive for sports as an entertainment package is killing it as a contest. Sure some nil all draws are boring. But some are bloody thrilling. Some will never like football no matter what the score is and that is fine too.

I love both football and test cricket. I don't mind if a game is a draw. Sometimes that is the right result. Although I love the drama of penalty shoot outs too, been in my fair share of those. Sometimes as a keeper and sometimes as a striker. I would much rather be the keeper.

Fair enough and it would be a boring world if we all liked the same things. I understand the appeal of test cricket but it doesn't work for me. :D The 20/20 game looks like the future.

All power to the All Whites who played far above their ranking and set alight a country. Respect. :2thumbsup:

But honestly, soccer has a long way to go as a binding spectacle. The proof of that I suggest, is the game highlights which consist purely of kicks at the goal. Nothing else. There are blinding moments of skill elsewhere on the field but no - its only worth re-screening if its at the goal. Compare that with rugby/league/gridiron/baseball/basketball/tennis - all games where excitement can occur at any moment and plenty of it. Soccer is sadly bland by comparison.

Soccer works because of its simplicity. Cool. But IMHO the game needs more scoring so increase the size of the goal and get rid of the off-side rule. Or lets have 14 players.

Global sports money is driven by television and that means increasing pressure for games to fit TV schedules. 90 minutes without quarter breaks doesn't work. In the rugby camp the future may lie with Sevens Tournaments. Huge crowds, fast games, plenty of points. Not my cup of tea but there is a logic there.

[Drunken Monkey]

But honestly, soccer has a long way to go as a binding spectacle.

Maybe to you, most of the rest of the sports following world doesn't agree...

[scracha]

Brilliant stuff, undefeated amongst the worlds elite footballing nations, well done the All whites! Only got England left to support now against the old enemy (Germany), on current form they'll be on their way home shortly after that game but you just never know with footy....

Bhwhahah. As a Scotsman I've only got Germany to support against the old enemy :-)

[Iggy]

I am very proud of the All whites on what they have achieved at this World Cup, but in my opinion and I mean no disrepect to our current squad, we have got the basics covered as far as Paston and the back three of Reid,Nelson and Smith but we need to have more creative midfield players who can hold the ball and pass more confidently and I would keep possibly Smeltz and Wood in the forwards.
I just feel that in spite of our fabulous results from our boys, we should have pushed forward to create more chances in the last 10 minutes of the Paraguay Game as we had nothing to lose but in saying that this Paraguay team did not allow us to play to our strengths so in a nut shell thats football and we will build from this experience for the future.

[Kendog]

But honestly, soccer has a long way to go as a binding spectacle.
Really, so I guess not many people will bother watching the rest of the world cup.
The final probaly wont get many viewers either, only an estimated 715 million people watched the last final.

[MadDuck]

only an estimated 715 million people watched the last final.

Is that all? Would hate to pay for advertising in that time slot

[Kendog]

Is that all? Would hate to pay for advertising in that time slot
Plenty of time to include advertising in the 73,072 hours of tv coverage that event had I am guessing.
So maybe 90 minutes without quarter breaks does work.

[DMNTD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjYYUmPLigM

[wysper]

But honestly, soccer has a long way to go as a binding spectacle. The proof of that I suggest, is the game highlights which consist purely of kicks at the goal. Nothing else.




as do every other sport.

Highlight is the scoring moment or carnage. Doesn't matter what the sport. Football is no different.

Rugby is the tries or penalty kicks or smashed em bro
League is tries or smashed em bro
Basketball is dunks or three pointers or smashed em bro
Motorsport is accidents or insane passes
Cricket is wickets, boundries or fielding mishaps

Football is goals or broken bones (or the academy award winning diving - the part of football I truly hate)

[wysper]

I am very proud of the All whites on what they have achieved at this World Cup, but in my opinion and I mean no disrepect to our current squad, we have got the basics covered as far as Paston and the back three of Reid,Nelson and Smith but we need to have more creative midfield players who can hold the ball and pass more confidently and I would keep possibly Smeltz and Wood in the forwards.
I just feel that in spite of our fabulous results from our boys, we should have pushed forward to create more chances in the last 10 minutes of the Paraguay Game as we had nothing to lose but in saying that this Paraguay team did not allow us to play to our strengths so in a nut shell thats football and we will build from this experience for the future.


Unfortunately we don't have the same touch and speed as the top nations. Those guys are playing football in the womb!


Really, so I guess not many people will bother watching the rest of the world cup.
The final probaly wont get many viewers either, only an estimated 715 million people watched the last final.

I will be watching.
I watched the two of the four games this morning.

I will watch several of the games of the final 16. There are some pretty good games to come.

All to play for now. Most teams will want to avoid penalties. Especially England mwahahahah

[GOONR]

....

I will be watching.
I watched the two of the four games this morning.

I will watch several of the games of the final 16. There are some pretty good games to come.

All to play for now. Most teams will want to avoid penalties. Especially England mwahahahah

+1 for watching the rest, I've got MySky so record them.

[martybabe]

Just a little titbit that may interest yawl. From British news item last night. The sports reporter was playing a pretend game of keepy upy and was complemented on his skills, he was regarded as nearly skilful enough to play for the all whites however the reporter rejected the complement saying he was no where near good enough to play for the legend that is the All whites, high praise indeed.

A little factoid: The all Blacks have never returned from a World cup undefeated, the All whites have...fair play boys.

[oldrider]

Just a little titbit that may interest yawl. From British news item last night. The sports reporter was playing a pretend game of keepy upy and was complemented on his skills, he was regarded as nearly skilful enough to play for the all whites however the reporter rejected the complement saying he was no where near good enough to play for the legend that is the All whites, high praise indeed.

A little factoid: The all Blacks have never returned from a World cup undefeated, the All whites have...fair play boys.

True but for years they knew how to win! When the AW's learn how to do that, they might be worth following! :rolleyes:

[Usarka]

Best game of sport I've ever been to was the AW's playing Bahran in Welly.

And I've seen arsenal play at home, I've seen the all blacks play 25 times, including eng, scot. ire and wales, I've seen a number of NRL games, some netball, various club/province/super sports and I've even seen the eel double penetration finals at the amsterdam red light regatta.

[ynot slow]

True but for years they knew how to win! When the AW's learn how to do that, they might be worth following! :rolleyes:

Hopefully the guys running NZ soccer will invest the monies due wisely.After 1982 the game reached highs but the idiots in charge nearly bankrupted the game,our subs were set so that each player payed $5-10 off hand and that went to the head office.And also didn't matter if you played for school(secondary)teams in morning and club team in arvo,which meant two subs paid to school and club(and 2 lots of money)to head office.

Hope like heck the ticker tape parade doesn't go ahead,as sure they did fantastic,but in no way is a parade justified.

[Kendog]

no way is a parade justified.
Why not ynot?

[Usarka]

Why not ynot?

Unbeaten in a competition in which 204 countries entered. Meh.

Parades are only justifed if you come first in a game played by 8 countries.

[wysper]

True but for years they knew how to win! When the AW's learn how to do that, they might be worth following! :rolleyes:

Yeah it is just for a couple of weeks every four years they forget how.

[wysper]

Unbeaten in a competition in which 204 countries entered. Meh.

Parades are only justifed if you come first in a game played by 8 countries.

or if you spend more money on a big boat with a big sail and sail it faster than some other rich bastard with a big boat and a big sail.

[GOONR]

....And I've seen arsenal play at home.....

Was that highbury or Emirates. I need to get back, haven't been to Emirates yet.

[oldrider]

Yeah it is just for a couple of weeks every four years they forget how.

True! That's why I was careful with my words! :o

[Winston001]

Unbeaten in a competition in which 204 countries entered. Meh.



Mmmm but lets call a spade a spade: unable to win anything in a competition of the 32 best countries.....



Don't get me wrong - the All Whites played way above any reasonable hopes and deserve parades whatever. But they didn't win anything either (apart from national respect which may evaporate in 6 months). Draws and Nil are a zero sum game. This whole World Cup competition is falling flat because of the lack of goals and excitement.

[Winston001]

Really, so I guess not many people will bother watching the rest of the world cup.
The final probaly wont get many viewers either, only an estimated 715 million people watched the last final.

Oh there is no doubt that soccer is a successful television and arena product. At the moment. But don't be misled by tv audience figures: this is a competition of national teams so even people who don't really care get drawn in to watching because of social pressure, and the natural wish to see your own team do well. TV is dominated by it so you can't escape.

[martybabe]

True but for years they knew how to win! When the AW's learn how to do that, they might be worth following! :rolleyes:

Ah but Confucius he say : Not losing is the first step on the stairway to winning. :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Ah but Confucius he say : Not losing is the first step on the stairway to winning. :msn-wink:

"Very" true!

Fair to say they are right on track but the job is only half completed, add an equal attack to a defence like that and they would be bringing the "big one" home! :first:

Now that would be something (not impossible) to celebrate! :yes:

[ynot slow]

Why not ynot?

My feeling is the squad will dissapear to their clubs and not travel back to NZ,and although they have done bloody fantastic(I thought a draw out of 3 is fine,3 draws excellent)my belief is a ticker tape parade is over the top,fair enough if we went further.In no way does it take away the excellent tourism promotion they've given kiwiland.

[ynot slow]

We came ,we drew, we competed, alas we didn't win,mind you our world ratings will probably put us ahead of Aussie,that'd be great,then we'd never hear the end of Australasia teams,Aussies love the ANZAC idea when they hang on our shirt tails because they're crap,if we're crap it's Aussie only.

[oldrider]

We came ,we drew, we competed, alas we didn't win,mind you our world ratings will probably put us ahead of Aussie,that'd be great,then we'd never hear the end of Australasia teams,Aussies love the ANZAC idea when they hang on our shirt tails because they're crap,if we're crap it's Aussie only.

True! It goes way, way back too! :rolleyes:

I.E. when Pha Lap was racing and went to America the Aussies boasted how they had prearranged press releases ready for either outcome!

Aussie horse wins and/or New Zealand horse loses! (heads we win, tails you lose)

They wouldn't be Aussie's if they weren't like that and we wouldn't be Kiwi's if didn't act the way we do!

It's who we are.....ANZAC's.....Australasian's.....whatever, I am sure proud to be one! :yes:

Both the Australian and New Zealand teams did well at the World Cup and that fact can not be disputed but they are not coming home as winners, simply as good performers!

Lets keep it in perspective!

[JimO]

if your wondering what those things making all the noise and spoiling the game for everybody are their called niggers

[Winston001]

if your wondering what those things making all the noise and spoiling the game for everybody are their called niggers

If I wasn't such a sensitive mature chap in touch with my feelings.......I'd have LOLed. :D You are a bad bad man.

[oldrider]

Is the FA world cup still going?

[JimO]

Is the FA world cup still going?

yea but we dont care anymore

[Bald Eagle]

yea but we dont care anymore


we didn't care before either

[JimO]

we didn't care before either

you might not have , others did

[wysper]

And I STILL do.