Ever witnessed a drive off? + dangerous drops

[Cayman911]

I saw these 2 videos, and thought id share them.

first one is a guy being knocked off by a SUV and then the SUV driving off,

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second one is off a guy going wide and falling over a guard rail into a ditch. and there are ALOT of places where that can happen around my area. just got me thinking.... i used to go wide quite alot when i first started riding. happy i got that sorted.

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[SPman]

What the fuck did the first guy think he was doing - a stoppie in the middle of a blind corner on a public road! Fucking dick - I'd hit him and have no guilt whatsoever!

The second one looks like he panicked, hit his rear brake, stepped the rear out and then the gravel edge and into the barrier - another novice? Going wide has nothing to do with it! Looks like it could hurt, though!

[Dare]

Reckon that driver was scared for his life, probably should have been more scared about trying to do a runner though. Not like he can disappear into the distance...

[Cayman911]

Not like he can disappear into the distance...

yeah they would catch upto him without even trying, not to mention being caught on tape with your plate showing anyways.
although i do agree that guy was being a dick doing a stoppie in the middle of the road with a car clearly not far behind him

[grusomhat]

Reckon that driver was scared for his life, probably should have been more scared about trying to do a runner though. Not like he can disappear into the distance...

Hah, reminds me of the video with the harley going off trying to overtake and the minivan he overtook can't decide if they should leave or not. They sound pretty scared.

[wanpo]

I agree with the first dude being a dick, driver could have had faster reactions though, and at least gone to see if the biker was ok.
Seen the 2nd vid before, looks like he thinks he's going too fast, freaks out, target fixates and locks the rear instead of you know, actually turning...

[Milts]

This is why, much as I hate some aspects of it, I will always support ACC. Imagine how many more runners there would be if people were able to sue for injuries/damages etc.

I honestly don't know why the SUV didn't stop, if it went to court and that video was submitted as evidence I really can't see the average jury ruling in favour of the biker.

[Katman]

I honestly don't know why the SUV didn't stop, if it went to court and that video was submitted as evidence I really can't see the average jury ruling in favour of the biker.

It's becoming commonplace in the States for large groups of stunting motorcyclists to try intimidating car drivers.

I'd suggest the SUV driver felt somewhat intimidated.

[dipshit]

I honestly don't know why the SUV didn't stop,

Only a motorcyclist would be stupid enough to stop around a blind corner so inevitably there would be another crash. No safe place to stop... then don't stop.

Fuck the stupid wanker on the bike.

[PirateJafa]

This is why, much as I hate some aspects of it, I will always support ACC. Imagine how many more runners there would be if people were able to sue for injuries/damages etc.

I honestly don't know why the SUV didn't stop, if it went to court and that video was submitted as evidence I really can't see the average jury ruling in favour of the biker.

Probably because the biker cleraly had mates around who could help him (once they put their video cameras down), and who probably looked pretty fuckin' angry.

And there would have been no guarantee of that video showing up if it went to court - how often would a "mate" admit evidence to a court that would show that his friend was being criminally stupid, when on the other hand they could be "witnesses" that say that the poor innocent biker was cruising around the corner when some bastards - just like THAT bastard in the defendant's box, yer'honour - came out of nowhere from behind him and knocked him off! By golly!

[grusomhat]

Probably because the biker cleraly had mates around who could help him (once they put their video cameras down), and who probably looked pretty fuckin' angry.

And there would have been no guarantee of that video showing up if it went to court - how often would a "mate" admit evidence to a court that would show that his friend was being criminally stupid, when on the other hand they could be "witnesses" that say that the poor innocent biker was cruising around the corner when some bastards - just like THAT bastard in the defendant's box, yer'honour - came out of nowhere from behind him and knocked him off! By golly!

The same idiots who post the video on youtube . It would be interesting to see what happened with that. I might have to do some looking later.

[SPP]

The first fella is a 'tard. Lots of 'tard mates there. Bugger stopping, straight to the cop shop and report it.

The second guy I kind of feel sorry for but it looks like he's wasn't the only one to go there (new post?).

[FruitLooPs]

First guys a muppet, second one panics target fixates hard and goes exactly where he's staring. I did that at least once when I was very new to biking, once on the port hills (what a knob, didn't go over luckily)

In other news, my friend in Adelaide just got wiped out riding to work by a muppet in a car pulling out in front of him - smashed knee, broken femur and probably one rooted GT650R :( :(

[Ragingrob]

Who knows, the SUV could've gone around the next corner to find a place to turn around so that he could pull over by the bikes and not have to stop in the middle of the road and stop all traffic. If I hit somebody and it was just a bump like that, so I knew they weren't exactly dead, I'd probably try to find a place to actually pull over rather than just stopping in the lane.

[MarkH]

The first fella is a 'tard. Lots of 'tard mates there. Bugger stopping, straight to the cop shop and report it.

I agree that the first guy is a 'tard - probably didn't even realise there was a vehicle behind him due to lack of situational awareness and, you know, being a 'tard! Stupid place for stunting and stupid to be stunting without being aware of other vehicles around you.

However:
"Bugger stopping, straight to the cop shop and report it."
Ummm, do you know what the law is here?
The SUV driver failed to stop when the vehicle in front of them stopped = SUV driver in the wrong.
The SUV driver left the scene of an accident = hit & run = criminal charges laid against him/her.

Considering the slow speed of the accident I would say that the SUV driver was also a 'tard and should have been able to stop in time if driving lawfully.

[dipshit]

Ummm, do you know what the law is here?
The SUV driver failed to stop when the vehicle in front of them stopped = SUV driver in the wrong.
The SUV driver left the scene of an accident = hit & run = criminal charges laid against him/her.


Typical. Shit for brains motorcyclist rides like a cock then blames other road users for his misfortune.

I have sympathy for the innocent SUV driver and none for the tosser on the bike that brought his misfortune upon himself.

[breakaway]

Too bad the guy on the blue bike made it out with what seemed to be minor injuries. Modern day evolution fails again.

Not to say the SUV driver was without blame in entirety, but as a motorcyclist its your job to be proactive and think 10 steps ahead. Remember, if a car hits you all they get is a dent. You could lose your life or limb.

[onearmedbandit]

Luckily there wasn't too much damage. To the SUV that is. I like doing the odd stoppie, but in the middle of a blind corner? Idiot.

[sinned]

The second rider could have learned from the first (stoppee) rider how the front brake worked and stopped before the gravel.

[MarkH]

I have sympathy for the innocent SUV driver and none for the tosser on the bike that brought his misfortune upon himself.

I have a decided lack of sympathy for either. Just because the moron on the bike was being a dick doesn't entitle someone to hit the retard with an SUV. If I drove an SUV into everyone that I saw acting like a retard then the result would be much carnage.

I do think that the motorcyclist/moron was more than 50% responsible for the incident though. But by the same token the SUV driver was definitely more than 0% responsible (i.e. not innocent).

[Owl]

No, but I once witnessed a walk-off.

Fish truck failed to give way and hit a car. Truck driver (slightly intoxicated) wandered off down the footpath just as the MOT arrived.

"Anyone see where the truck driver went".....................:whistle:

Guess my morals were somewhat lacking as a youth, but I never did get that promised free fish:no:

[dipshit]

Just because the moron on the bike was being a dick doesn't entitle someone to hit the retard with an SUV. If I drove an SUV into everyone that I saw acting like a retard then the result would be much carnage.

So if you were driving that car, then you don't think you would have been distracted by all those bikes and people at the side of the road and taken a bit of a glance over your shoulder for a quick look... then WHAM!... some dick on a bike decides to do a stoppie in the middle of the road right in front of you... ?

[MarkH]

So if you were driving that car, then you don't think you would have been distracted by all those bikes and people at the side of the road and taken a bit of a glance over your shoulder for a quick look... then WHAM!... some dick on a bike decides to do a stoppie in the middle of the road right in front of you... ?

No, I like to watch were I am going, especially when following close behind another vehicle. Maybe thats how I've driven on Auckland motorways for the last 13 years without running up the rear of another vehicle, if only all other drivers paid attention to where they were going. There are laws that cover this shit, I'm surprised you are not aware of them.

[SPP]

"Bugger stopping, straight to the cop shop and report it."
Ummm, do you know what the law is here?
The SUV driver failed to stop when the vehicle in front of them stopped = SUV driver in the wrong.
The SUV driver left the scene of an accident = hit & run = criminal charges laid against him/her.

Considering the slow speed of the accident I would say that the SUV driver was also a 'tard and should have been able to stop in time if driving lawfully.

Here as in NZ? I'm don't know much about their laws but am reasonably familiar with ours.

I get where you are coming from though. If the motorcyclist had stopped suddenly for a legitimate reason (for example there was another injured ‘tard on the road) the SUV would have hit the guy and I’d be thinking “useless prick, hit the poor motorcyclist who stopped to help their poor motorcyclist friend”.

But consider this; the guy was a fucking moron doing stupid shit in a stupid place with a whole bunch of other fucking morons assumedly egging him on. It was a low speed knock and the moron bounced up pretty quick. There were plenty of people on hand to help him out if he had say… broken his last tooth.

After the accident what you have is a pissed off moron and group of other excited morons. If it were me, I probably would have stopped but I also would have been half prepared to start swinging if it turned ugly.

What if it was my wife, or mum? No bloody way. I wouldn’t want them pulling over and getting in amongst a large group of arseholes.

[MarkH]

What if it was my wife, or mum? No bloody way. I wouldn’t want them pulling over and getting in amongst a large group of arseholes.

Hopefully they wouldn't get prosecuted for it - but in NZ it is still illegal to leave the scene of an accident that you caused without stopping to check that no one is injured and also to give details. What we saw the SUV do is pretty much the definition of hit & run.

Also:
In NZ if a vehicle stops (for any reason or even no reason) and the following vehicle is unable to stop in time and hits that first vehicle, then the driver of the following vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. Legally you must be able to stop without hitting the vehicle in front of you if it suddenly performs an emergency stop. Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule!

Maybe in the US of A things are different, but I suspect that legally the driver of the SUV was obliged to stop rather than drive away from the scene of the accident.


Here as in NZ? I'm don't know much about their laws but am reasonably familiar with ours.

Are you sure about that? It really does sound to me like you may not be as familiar with them as you think. Feel free to check up on it if you like, but I don't think that another motorist acting like a moron means that you are legally allowed to drive into them and then drive away without stopping to check no one is hurt or to exchange details.

[onearmedbandit]

Also:
In NZ if a vehicle stops (for any reason or even no reason) and the following vehicle is unable to stop in time and hits that first vehicle, then the driver of the following vehicle is deemed to be in the wrong. Legally you must be able to stop without hitting the vehicle in front of you if it suddenly performs an emergency stop. Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule!

Maybe in the US of A things are different, but I suspect that legally the driver of the SUV was obliged to stop rather than drive away from the scene of the accident.


Do you also realise that if you brake suddenly for no reason (ie brake checking a tailgater) and cause an accident you can be charged as well. I think a stoppie in the middle of a corner is a perfect definition of unnecessary braking. At the end of the day here, who's worse off here? Dumb arse does a stoppie on a public road mid corner, gets hit by a car, bike gets smacked up, rider gets abrasions and bruises, SUV gets a minor scratch. To lay any blame with the SUV driver is completely missing the point.

[MarkH]

Do you also realise that if you brake suddenly for no reason (ie brake checking a tailgater) and cause an accident you can be charged as well.

Do you realise that I have already posted in this thread that I consider the motorcyclist more than 50% to blame? I never said that the rider was innocent or couldn't be charged with anything.

Check post #20.

[onearmedbandit]

Do you realise that I have already posted in this thread that I consider the motorcyclist more than 50% to blame? I never said that the rider was innocent or couldn't be charged with anything.

Check post #20.

And I was just pointing out that you can not perform an emergency stop with no reason that causes an accident. Well you can, but you'll also face charges.

I also disagree that the motorcyclist was more than 50% at fault, well actually you are kind of right, as I consider the rider to be 100% at fault. I pull wheelies, I do stoppies. These are stupid things to do on the public roads, which are there for everyone to use, not for someones playground. If I was the idiot on the bike I'd have too much pride to blame someone else for my fucked up actions. Corners are meant to be driven around, not for perfoming stunts on.

Only a fool breaks the 2 se rule. Only a fucking idiot performs a stoppie mid-corner and trys to blame someone else for their fuck up.

You can do whatever you want on the road as far as I'm concerned. Just if you're doing something stupid and fuck up don't expect any sympathy.

[MarkH]

I consider the rider to be 100% at fault.

Sorry, I just don't get the logic here. How can the driver of the SUV be not at fault even the slightest bit? The vehicle in front of them stopped and they hit it, how could they be 0% responsible for that collision?

I've never said the rider deserves any sympathy here, he was the author of his own misfortune for the most part and what happened was rather predictable. But does the driver of the SUV really deserve any sympathy either, is he/she truly 100% blameless? If the vehicle in front of you stops for no apparent reason and you hit them then good luck in trying to claim complete innocence in the cause of the accident.

[onearmedbandit]

The road is not a playground. I don't care if the SUV driver was distracted by what was happening on the side of the road or following to closely. If the rider hadn't performed a 'stunt' on the road then there would've been no crash. If the rider had to perform an emergency stop due to an obstruction on the road, then 100% the SUV drivers fault. I have no sympathy for the stunter. If he had been using the road like it was intended for (the safe carriage of all road users) then there would've been no crash.

To give you an idea of how I view things. If I ride through an intersection normally and a car runs a red light there is a damn good chance I'll be aware of my environment and take appropriate action. I may still get hit, but at least I'll be doing my best to avoid it, and the car driver will be in a world of hurt when I get off the deck. If however I was pulling a wheelie through the intersection then there is a very high chance of getting cleaned out. I'd be too embarrassed to try to claim the driver was completely at fault because I put myself into a position where I was not; a) using the road in a non-risky manner and b) I wasn't in full control of my vehicle.

If the stunter in the video was actually performing emergency braking then he should have been able to check his mirrors first and also would not have had to brake so sharply. Personal responsibility. It's a wonderful fucking thing.

[MarkH]

Personal responsibility. It's a wonderful fucking thing.

That's my point in a nutshell - personal responsibility shouldn't be ignored. The SUV driver doesn't have zero responsibility just because the biker is retarded, just as the driver of a vehicle doesn't have zero responsibility if a child foolishly runs onto the road in front of them - the driver still needs to do everything possible to avoid hitting & killing that child.

If a child runs onto the road in front of you do you believe you can ignore the brakes, run over the child and carry on home? The child wouldn't be dead if he/she hadn't run onto the road in front of you!

In this case the biker is at fault, but that doesn't make the SUV driver not at fault. In law it is easy for 2 motorists to be both at fault. If the SUV driver couldn't avoid hitting the biker when he was stunting then he couldn't avoid hitting him in a genuine emergency stop either, therefore the SUV driver was too close and driving illegally. Why do you think personal responsibility doesn't apply to the SUV driver?


I don't care if the SUV driver was distracted by what was happening on the side of the road or following to closely. If the rider hadn't performed a 'stunt' on the road then there would've been no crash.

Great logic, but if the SUV driver hadn't been so close and was able to stop in time then there would also have been no crash. Both at fault, geddit? If the police charged both the rider and the SUV driver for each one's failings in this incident then I would consider that to be perfectly fair. The SUV driver wasn't able to stop in time when the vehicle in front stopped and also left the scene of an accident without stopping to exchange details and ensure the rider was OK - he/she should be charged for both offences. The motorcycle rider was 'stunting' on a public road and contributed to the crash - he should be charged for that.

When watching the video some people said "ah, the biker's at fault for being a dick on a public road" and some might have said "the SUV driver is at fault for not stopping" but to me the obvious answer is "both are at fault, remove either from this situation and the crash wouldn't have happened". A good driver wouldn't have hit the bike and a good rider would have been pulling a stoppie somewhere else. I am sure that there are quiet roads and carparks that would be less stupid to do stunts on than this busy road.

[onearmedbandit]

If a child runs out in front of me and I happen to be glancing in the rear view mirror at the time and there was nothing I could do to avoid it (assuming I'm not speeding) then I would not expect to be charged with causing death. The road is exactly that, a road. Not a playground for children or stunters. If a child ran out in front of me and I thought 'fuck it, shouldn't be on the road', and take no action to avoid it then charge me, I'll deserve it.

So without knowing the SUV drivers intent (was he up there intentionally looking to knock stunters off) or whether he was checking his mirrors, it is very hard to ascertain blame. However, this could have been all avoided had the stunters found some 'quiet roads and carparks that would be less stupid to do stunts on than this busy road.'.

[Cayman911]

as for SUV driver being blameless, well blameless for hitting the bike. i would have to say it was fully the bike's fault. going down a road where there seems no be no reason what so ever for the person in front of me to slam on the breaks,you would not expect the biker to just pull a stoppie outa nowhere. and that biker could easily see the SUV behind him

as for running off, some argue he/she could have been scared, and thats fully understandable considering as mentioned before there are atleast 50 of them and 1 of the SUV driver.
driving off was wrong, but then again they saw they didnt kill him either as he got back up and i doubt everyone there would say to the guy on the bike "mate, it was your fault". they would have been heavily abused by hyped up stunters.

the SUV probably got tracked down anyways