Demerit checks.

[Rogue Rider]

Woohoo, the last of my demerits expired today, so now back on zero...... Was running on 95 for last 6 months, and very relieved that the 2 year duration limit is now concluded.
Hopefully I won't clock up any more for a while.

I highly recommend checking your status if you don't know, it's as easy as calling 0800 822 422.

Who else out there is running on a thin wire like I was, It's a horrible feeling being so close to the limit. Every time a popo pulls you over your as nervous as hell, and hoping like heck he don't ping you for anything.......
:Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::P unk::Punk::soon:

[crystalball]

good to hear you are free lol.

[miloking]

Woohoo, the last of my demerits expired today, so now back on zero...... Was running on 95 for last 6 months, and very relieved that the 2 year duration limit is now concluded.
Hopefully I won't clock up any more for a while.

I highly recommend checking your status if you don't know, it's as easy as calling 0800 822 422.

Who else out there is running on a thin wire like I was, It's a horrible feeling being so close to the limit. Every time a popo pulls you over your as nervous as hell, and hoping like heck he don't ping you for anything.......
:Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::P unk::Punk::soon:

iam on 100!

most of it incurred in 2008 before getting my full 3 months ago...

2x L plate not displayed (when on GSF400)
1x1000cc while on restricted
1x61kmk/h in cage

NZTA agent was knocking on my door few times last month to serve me with disqualification i assume...but unfortunately i wasnt at home any of those times ;)

Getting all my "L plate" points back in august...but not sure how that works once the disqualification is "in motion"...

either way going to europe for couple of months in aug-sep so will probably "hand myself in" since i wont need licence then, so i have clean slate for summer :D

[CHOPPA]

Is there ever a time where they will put you in jail for losing your licence too much?

[crystalball]

bad boys bad boys what you gona do? what you gona do when they come for you?

[Pumba]

Only just found out myself that you could do this. Was great when shopping around for insurnace because I had a print out I could flick off to them to prove my driving history from the last 7 years.

Very handy service.

[marty]

you need to be ticket free for 2 years for them to expire. if you have 50 demerits from 18 months ago, and get another 30 today, you have 80 demerits from today, which expire in 2 years.

Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points



(1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences

[Mully]

Slow down, Rossi.

Actually, Rossi is slowed. Slow down Lorenzo.

[miloking]

you need to be ticket free for 2 years for them to expire. if you have 50 demerits from 18 months ago, and get another 30 today, you have 80 demerits from today, which expire in 2 years.

Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points



(1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences



wrong! there has been billion discussions about this...each individual event expires each 2 years, points dont reset back to start of 2 years for any other offence.

Also i spoke with them on the phone and they told me when i get what amount of points back...so 35 in august and some more in october, and definately had that 61km/h ticket and other ones some time before calling them..but matter of months not 2 years.

IF what you are saying would be truth i would have lost my licence many many times before just based on demerits....

[Littleman]

wrong! there has been billion discussions about this...each individual event expires each 2 years, points dont reset back to start of 2 years for any other offence.

Also i spoke with them on the phone and they told me when i get what amount of points back...so 35 in august and some more in october, and definately had that 61km/h ticket and other ones some time before calling them..but matter of months not 2 years.

IF what you are saying would be truth i would have lost my licence many many times before just based on demerits....

Wrong(!!!) statue must be wrong immigrant.

[miloking]

Wrong(!!!) statue must be wrong immigrant.

Whatever, i will let you know next month once i get my points back okay...

[CookMySock]

Anyone know if you can check your points online?

Steve

[Gremlin]

you need to ring driver licensing, number in first post. I had 70, then got 50, no fine line for me, but 3 months later I had none :D each set of points has a lifetime of 2 years.

[marty]

I was only cutting and pasting legislation. I read it as 2 years clear. But what do I know - I've got no demerits so it's not really an issue for me - and I don't really care about your licence status.

[Ixion]

I agree with your reading of the legislation, but for unknown reasons LTSA as was never applied it that way. And I guess no-one was ever silly enough to ask why.

[Rogue Rider]

Too find out your demerits call the 0800 number in the first post. Well worth knowing if you know you have some.

[Max Preload]

iam on 100!

most of it incurred in 2008 before getting my full 3 months ago...

2x L plate not displayed (when on GSF400)
1x1000cc while on restricted
1x61kmk/h in cage

I didn't realise any GDL breaches carried demerits until an amendment last year.


NZTA agent was knocking on my door few times last month to serve me with disqualification i assume...but unfortunately i wasnt at home any of those times ;)

Getting all my "L plate" points back in august...but not sure how that works once the disqualification is "in motion"...

either way going to europe for couple of months in aug-sep so will probably "hand myself in" since i wont need licence then, so i have clean slate for summer :D

Yeah, you'll still have to 'serve' the suspension no matter how long you evade them.


bad boys bad boys what you gona do? what you gona do when they come for you?

Not answering the door seems to work pretty well... :lol:


you need to be ticket free for 2 years for them to expire. if you have 50 demerits from 18 months ago, and get another 30 today, you have 80 demerits from today, which expire in 2 years.

Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points



(1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences



While you're correct in the quote that's not how it actually works in reality. I'm not sure why. I think I knew once, but I've forgotten. I think it was something to do with the term 'entry' used.

[miloking]

I didn't realise any GDL breaches carried demerits until an amendment last year.

Yep breaches of licence condition always did...well at least L plates did.




Yeah, you'll still have to 'serve' the suspension no matter how long you evade them.

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That kind of sucks but i suspected thats how it works..., i guess i will pop over to court and pick up a form for limited licence and then hand myself in once i have it... just so i have something to drive with before going overseas

BTW not answering door works the treat..what a lame system realy, they probably passed it back to police so next licence check means also suspension....

[marty]

you can only apply for a LL after 28 days of your suspension started.

[Banditbandit]

Woohoo, the last of my demerits expired today, so now back on zero...... Was running on 95 for last 6 months, and very relieved that the 2 year duration limit is now concluded.

It's a horrible feeling being so close to the limit. Every time a popo pulls you over your as nervous as hell, and hoping like heck he don't ping you for anything.......
:Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::P unk::Punk::soon:


iam on 100!

most of it incurred in 2008 before getting my full 3 months ago...

2x L plate not displayed (when on GSF400)
1x1000cc while on restricted
1x61kmk/h in cage

:D

I know that feeling well. I was sitting on 100 points for a while ... very freaky ... then one dropped off and I was down to 75 ... so I thought I could afford one more ticket ... but then I got stung on the Napier-Taupo Road in April at 136 ks ... 50 demerit points ... 50 !!!! ... so now I'm walking until September ... 125 points inside 24 months ...

But worse ... I also got stung later in April (before LTSA caught up with me) at 109 klicks heading for Whakatane around the Rotorua Lakes in an 80 klick zone ... 35 points ... those points don't drop off with my suspension ... so I won't be starting from zero when I get my licence back ... I'll still have 35 demerits ...

I think I'll invest in a radar detector !!!!

[YellowDog]

Is there not a website to check your points that you can go to?

[spookytooth]

Is there not a website to check your points that you can go to?

not that i could find but the ph# call is painless,even for me and i hate using phones

[spookytooth]

lagg dubble post

[miloking]

you can only apply for a LL after 28 days of your suspension started.

oh thanks i forgot about that, well there is no much point getting one then...i will have to survive that month before going overseas somehow, scabbing rides from people or dare to say it..public transport...

[Max Preload]

you can only apply for a LL after 28 days of your suspension started.

That's only if suspended by the court. In the case of a demerit suspension, you can apply immediately.


Is there not a website to check your points that you can go to?

No.

[miloking]

That's only if suspended by the court. In the case of a demerit suspension, you can apply immediately.


cheers, i will look into it then... i work various hours even nights so there is no public transport so should qualify due to potential "hardship"

[Max Preload]

cheers, i will look into it then... i work various hours even nights so there is no public transport so should qualify due to potential "hardship"

In fact, even some court imposed suspensions don't carry the 28-day clause.

[Gremlin]

I *think* its for losses 6 months or greater? (28 days that is). Miloking, the hardship is to others, not yourself (its a punishment after all). I believe I got one of the most lenient LL, 6 days a week, 9am. To midnight, greater auckland, but it was a hard slog. There is a thread somewhere with details.

[Max Preload]

I *think* its for losses 6 months or greater? (28 days that is). Miloking, the hardship is to others, not yourself (its a punishment after all). I believe I got one of the most lenient LL, 6 days a week, 9am. To midnight, greater auckland, but it was a hard slog. There is a thread somewhere with details.

Specific offences. See here (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435078.html).

[ukusa]

iam on 100!

most of it incurred in 2008 before getting my full 3 months ago...

2x L plate not displayed (when on GSF400)
1x1000cc while on restricted
1x61kmk/h in cage

NZTA agent was knocking on my door few times last month to serve me with disqualification i assume...but unfortunately i wasnt at home any of those times ;)

Getting all my "L plate" points back in august...but not sure how that works once the disqualification is "in motion"...

either way going to europe for couple of months in aug-sep so will probably "hand myself in" since i wont need licence then, so i have clean slate for summer :D

It's always seemed odd to me that we pay for separate licences, but when it comes to tickets, the demerits get all added together regardless of what you're on.
eg. you could potentially lose your licence for not displaying an L plate on your motorbike (if you get enough of them), but that then means your not allowed to drive a car even if you have never had a ticket ever in a car.

[Gremlin]

you only have one license, car and bike are classes on your license, like truck, forklift etc

[miloking]

It's always seemed odd to me that we pay for separate licences, but when it comes to tickets, the demerits get all added together regardless of what you're on.
eg. you could potentially lose your licence for not displaying an L plate on your motorbike (if you get enough of them), but that then means your not allowed to drive a car even if you have never had a ticket ever in a car.

Even bigger irony is that if you had no licence for bike at all it wouldnt cost any demerits....eg. first time i got pulled up on my GSF400 was when i had no licence and all i got was $400 and cop was angry that they cant take my car licence away from me...then i got learners and it went down hill from there,demerits and fines for "L plates" "cc ratings" etc....realy truely retarded system.

[cowboyz]

I know that feeling well. I was sitting on 100 points for a while ... very freaky ... then one dropped off and I was down to 75 ... so I thought I could afford one more ticket ... but then I got stung on the Napier-Taupo Road in April at 136 ks ... 50 demerit points ... 50 !!!! ... so now I'm walking until September ... 125 points inside 24 months ...

But worse ... I also got stung later in April (before LTSA caught up with me) at 109 klicks heading for Whakatane around the Rotorua Lakes in an 80 klick zone ... 35 points ... those points don't drop off with my suspension ... so I won't be starting from zero when I get my licence back ... I'll still have 35 demerits ...

I think I'll invest in a radar detector !!!!

I got told it worked like that but.....

I managed to get 145points

lost licence for 3 months

got it back
rung 0800 demerit number and they tell me I on 0 points and they get reset to 0 when you get your licence back.

seems the rules are pretty unclear - even for those running the show

[ukusa]

you only have one license, car and bike are classes on your license, like truck, forklift etc

correct, but you pay seperately for each one, and get tested seperately for each one. Still seems stupid that you can lose them all for an infringment in one.

[onearmedbandit]

You have one license 'card' but you pay for the separate license endorsements. So when you lose your license, consider it losing your license card.

[TimeOut]

I got told it worked like that but.....

I managed to get 145points

lost licence for 3 months

got it back
rung 0800 demerit number and they tell me I on 0 points and they get reset to 0 when you get your licence back.

seems the rules are pretty unclear - even for those running the show

I thought that was changing to only taking 100 demerits off after a suspension

[marty]

Even bigger irony is that if you had no licence for bike at all it wouldnt cost any demerits....eg. first time i got pulled up on my GSF400 was when i had no licence and all i got was $400 and cop was angry that they cant take my car licence away from me...then i got learners and it went down hill from there,demerits and fines for "L plates" "cc ratings" etc....realy truely retarded system.

the system is retarded? It just sits there doing nothing, waiting for, well, retards....

[spookytooth]

the system is retarded? It just sits there doing nothing, waiting for, well, retards to enforce it.

there i fixed it for you

[miloking]

the system is retarded? It just sits there doing nothing, waiting for, well, retards....

Tell me how is this not retarded...where having no licence endorsement is better for you than having "learners"?
Seriously its just stupid to get $400 fine maximum for no endorsment....vs. getting $400 for no L plate (used to be) $400 for riding 250+ cc and another fine for possibly riding at night and all the corresponding demerits which add up to pretty much suspension right away.

[red mermaid]

Cause if you have no licence you are forbidden to drive and if caught driving again the vehicle you are driving is impounded for 28 days.

And you only get one lot of demerits per stop.

[miloking]

Cause if you have no licence you are forbidden to drive and if caught driving again the vehicle you are driving is impounded for 28 days.

And you only get one lot of demerits per stop.

That is true... but breaching conditions of the licence have now gone up to 35 points per offence, so you could be loosing licence (if on learners) pretty much in one "stop" so you are almost in same situation (fines have gone down, which is good though)

[ukusa]

I've heard you can lose your drivers licence also if you're caught drunk on a pushbike. Is this true? (obviously not if you don't have a drivers licence).

[Ixion]

That is true... but breaching conditions of the licence have now gone up to 35 points per offence, so you could be loosing licence (if on learners) pretty much in one "stop" so you are almost in same situation (fines have gone down, which is good though)

No. As the scaley gentlewoman said (correctly for once - I must go and have a little lie down, this is unprecedented), only the "highest ranking" offence in each stop is counted for demerits. Of course, the cop could stop you, give you a ticket for too many cc, let you go , follow you for a kilometre, stop you again, give you another ticket , and more demerits, cos it's a separate stop , for having a passenger, rinse lather repeat.

Normal cops, only one lot per pull over. Not a good idea to rely on it though. Strictly, if you get stopped for breach of licence, the cop can require you to remedy the breach immediately or walk home. Not so bad maybe if the breach is carrying a passenger (sucks to be your pillion, but) , but a bit trickier if it's too big a bike, or after hours.

[miloking]

No. As the scaley gentlewoman said (correctly for once - I must go and have a little lie down, this is unprecedented), only the "highest ranking" offence in each stop is counted for demerits. Of course, the cop could stop you, give you a ticket for too many cc, let you go , follow you for a kilometre, stop you again, give you another ticket , and more demerits, cos it's a separate stop , for having a passenger, rinse lather repeat.

Normal cops, only one lot per pull over. Not a good idea to rely on it though. Strictly, if you get stopped for breach of licence, the cop can require you to remedy the breach immediately or walk home. Not so bad maybe if the breach is carrying a passenger (sucks to be your pillion, but) , but a bit trickier if it's too big a bike, or after hours.

Realy? Interesting...didnt know that, so last time i got stoped i recieved following: Incorrectly displayed plate $200 and 25 points + riding 1000cc on restricted $100 and 35 points...i paid the 1000cc one and iam contesting the plate thing in court (october) so i have already lost the points for the 1000cc (and iam on 100 because of it) but even if i loose the plate thing(even if i do its still worth my time to tell office ACD868 that he is a dickhead in person)...i shouldnt loose any more points??? Correct? Or is it all up to MR.Judge to decide since i wanted court?

Probably bit hard to know...but will be interesting how it works out...

[Ixion]

That's my understanding. Not sure how it works if you go before a judge though. The plate being only 25, should be subsumed by the 35 you've already clocked for the cc.

[miloking]

That's my understanding. Not sure how it works if you go before a judge though. The plate being only 25, should be subsumed by the 35 you've already clocked for the cc.

well either way good to know how it works...still there was no reason for me being pulled over in a first place apart from "checking up on bikes/coming up with reasons for ticket" but at least i wont loose any more points of my by then brand new squeaky clean licence :)

[marty]

Tell me how is this not retarded...where having no licence endorsement is better for you than having "learners"?
Seriously its just stupid to get $400 fine maximum for no endorsment....vs. getting $400 for no L plate (used to be) $400 for riding 250+ cc and another fine for possibly riding at night and all the corresponding demerits which add up to pretty much suspension right away.

whether it's retarded or not, it's they way it is, yet you still couldn't comply. Fail.

[Max Preload]

Realy? Interesting...didnt know that, so last time i got stoped i recieved following: Incorrectly displayed plate $200 and 25 points + riding 1000cc on restricted $100 and 35 points...i paid the 1000cc one and iam contesting the plate thing in court (october) so i have already lost the points for the 1000cc (and iam on 100 because of it) but even if i loose the plate thing(even if i do its still worth my time to tell office ACD868 that he is a dickhead in person)...i shouldnt loose any more points??? Correct? Or is it all up to MR.Judge to decide since i wanted court?

Probably bit hard to know...but will be interesting how it works out...

Ixion and Red Mermaid are correct. Only the highest points from one offence arising from one incident are recorded. Losing in court on the remaining alleged offence will not affect your demerits as the 35 demerits for the >250cc will have already been recorded from that incident, since you paid, which is an admission of guilt.

See Land Transport Act 1998 Section 88 (3) (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html).

[miloking]

whether it's retarded or not, it's they way it is, yet you still couldn't comply. Fail.

i dont like to comply with stupid rules...just because thats the way it is, it might be fail but not conforming to the nanny state crap makes me happy on the inside :)

Who are "they" to tell me i have to display yellow piece of plastic even though i've been riding since i was 15 and who are they to tell me i cant ride old carburated 400cc zuki just because some pencil pusher came up with the arbitrary 250cc limit!

[miloking]

Ixion and Red Mermaid are correct. Only the highest points from one offence arising from one incident are recorded. Losing in court on the remaining alleged offence will not affect your demerits as the 35 demerits for the >250cc will have already been recorded from that incident, since you paid, which is an admission of guilt.

Thats ok i knew iam going to loose those 35 points(i had got my full even before paying the fine but had not chance if winning that one)..just didnt like the idea of loosing another 25 after the court...