Two-stroke triple porn

[pete376403]

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/04/24/xj500t-jaybuilt-kawasaki-500-bellytank-triple/

Tried to post before so there may be another post somewhere

[Ronin]

Kinda like it... Kinda hate it.

Like the idea but not so fond of the look, well with the fairings on.

[blackdog]

erection building

[dipshit]

The UN should pass a law forbidding all tasteless Americans from building bikes.

[Ronin]

The UN should pass a law forbidding all tasteless Americans.

Fixed that right up for ya.

[pete376403]

obviously very polarising - what don't you like about it? Appearances should only matter to the type of person who buys, for example, a crash helmet on the basis of "cool graphics" with less regard to how it performs its intended purpose.

[Ronin]

Appearances are a consideration for sure no matter how well it goes. But then I wouldn't buy a good looking crap performing bike either.

[Spearfish]

There seems to be small quiet resurgence in 2stroke bikes again

An all or nothing power band is probably why LoL

[bogan]

There seems to be small quiet resurgence in 2stroke bikes again

An all or nothing power band is probably why LoL

could be that since the manufacturers have stopped developing them, we notice the projects more.

Awesome project though, wonder if it'll be lots louder with the pipes so high?

[pete376403]

Could even be a fraction quieter, with the chambers under a heat sheilded cover. But no way is this thing going to be 'stealth" - noise from 1/ air going through the pod filters, 2/ cooling fins ringing, 3/ single skin chambers banging away*, 4/ little exhaust tip "mufflers" and most of all, 5/ rider going faaaaaaaarkkk!!!! when it comes on the pipes.

[Madmax]

this is tripple porn
http://www.mojokawasaki.com/photos/78kr750duhamel.html

[pete376403]

Oooh Yaaaassss. Wonder what happened to the Aussie TKA bikes from when Gregg Hansford was racing?

I recall seeing Ginger Molloy on the H1R* at Gracefeild same year as Geoff Perry was on the Suzuki TR500* - Perry had a damaged foot and was allowed a pusher to start so he got a flyer. Molloys bike didn't start until he had pushed it damn near to the first bend - rode the wheels off the thing and just about caught perry on the final lap. Epic race in the days when race bikes did not wear mufflers = glorious noises


*may have been 750s

[roadracingoldfart]

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/04/24/xj500t-jaybuilt-kawasaki-500-bellytank-triple/

Tried to post before so there may be another post somewhere


Sorry , but i cant help but see that shape as a LEGO creation from my youngest. Maybe its the colour.

[Spearfish]

Sorry , but i cant help but see that shape as a LEGO creation from my youngest. Maybe its the colour.

Yeah your right but the rider wont be looking down and around at it, its function over form. LoL

You would want have a bit of time getting to know that engine, especially the point it gets on the pipes, imagine finding that out mid corner!

[Banditbandit]

That looks awesome ... and a whole lot of fun too ... The killer kwakas were notorious for not only the power band but the pasta frames .. that would certainly sort the handling issues out ... and the rake and wheel base would mean the bike turns as quick as it accelerates.

[dipshit]

obviously very polarising - what don't you like about it?

It looks like something a 13 year-old schoolboy drew up on the back of his mathematics book while daydreaming at school one day. That's how much "design" it's got.

And when have you ever seen any sports bike built by an American that had any of the class that we see European sports bikes built to..???

[Banditbandit]

It looks like something a 13 year-old schoolboy drew up on the back of his mathematics book while daydreaming at school one day. That's how much "design" it's got.

And when have you ever seen any sports bike built by an American that had any of the class that we see European sports bikes built to..???

So it's not up to your "purist" aesthetics ... ? Who gives a (fill in your own words .. mine would both start with F ) ... I'd like to play on that ...

And I notice you don't ride a classy European sports bike ...

[Ronin]

So it's not up to your "purist" aesthetics ... ? Who gives a (fill in your own words .. mine would both start with F ) ... I'd like to play on that ...

And I notice you don't ride a classy European sports bike ...

Not sure why your getting bent out of shape, opinions have been asked for and given. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same.

And it's still uglier than and ugly think.

[bogan]

Not sure why your getting bent out of shape, opinions have been asked for and given. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same.

And it's still uglier than and ugly think.

oh it's definetely ugly, but the question is has it looped around to being good looking as well? in a contextual sort of way

[Madmax]

Oooh Yaaaassss. Wonder what happened to the Aussie TKA bikes from when Gregg Hansford was racing?

I recall seeing Ginger Molloy on the H1R* at Gracefeild same year as Geoff Perry was on the Suzuki TR500* - Perry had a damaged foot and was allowed a pusher to start so he got a flyer. Molloys bike didn't start until he had pushed it damn near to the first bend - rode the wheels off the thing and just about caught perry on the final lap. Epic race in the days when race bikes did not wear mufflers = glorious noises


*may have been 750s
close as

http://www.mojokawasaki.com/photos/villa.html

[Banditbandit]

Not sure why your getting bent out of shape, opinions have been asked for and given. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same.

And it's still uglier than and ugly think.

There are bikes on the road now which when they came out first, such as the original Katana, many of us thought were ugly as ... but as they went past us on the road we thought BUGGA ... even if we didn't say it out loud, 'cause it wasn't "cool" 'cause they were rice burners ...

Now, many of us think they look cool ... .. and some of us even own classic Jappas ... unthinkable 35 years ago (I don't - gave up on classic anything - I want to be a rider, not a mechanic)

If you buy a bike for looks you're probably a Harley rider .. or a wannabe ... You can't see much of a bike from the seat ...

My previous long distance bike was a 1900 BMW R100GS PD - the really ugly desert racer-style with the huge tank ... I buy bikes I want to to ride . I've stopped worrying about looks ...

[Ronin]

oh it's definetely ugly, but the question is has it looped around to being good looking as well? in a contextual sort of way

Now here's the thing... Without the God Ugly cover over the pipes, I kinda like it... Kinda almost but it's not quite ugly enough to be loved.

[Ronin]

If you buy a bike for looks you're probably a Harley rider .. or a wannabe ... You can't see much of a bike from the seat ...



Well that's your opinion and your welcome to it. Doesn't apply to every rider out there. I will however bet you DB's left nut that asthetics plays some part in your choice.

[bogan]

Now here's the thing... Without the God Ugly cover over the pipes, I kinda like it... Kinda almost but it's not quite ugly enough to be loved.

i think its beauty lies in the fact that it is obviously a shed creation, someone has given it a go. Not saying all shed creations look good, just that they are judged to different standards.

[dipshit]

So it's not up to your "purist" aesthetics ... ? Who gives a (fill in your own words .. mine would both start with F )

I think it looks like a piece of American built shit. The only nice things going for it is the engine and forks. Both of which are Japanese.

[Madmax]

ahh to ease the pain of that eyesore
http://www.mojokawasaki.com/photos/waterbabies.html

[jonbuoy]

Its only the colour scheme that lets it down, if the whole thing was polished instead of painted it would look outstanding.

[pete376403]

Lotsa feeling about how it looks, not much about how it might go, or turn, or stop.

The old race triples are lovely to look at, but in their day, there was only one thing that they were built for and it wasn't to look good.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yeah your right but the rider wont be looking down and around at it, its function over form. LoL

You would want have a bit of time getting to know that engine, especially the point it gets on the pipes, imagine finding that out mid corner!


Mate , having raced big 2 strokes for ages i know what they are like , but .... an old big 2 stroke is a nasty hairy beast if treated with anything other than fear and respect lol.

Paul.

[Madmax]

Big piston port engines have a strange power curve,
bog,bog,burrrrrrrrrrrrrr,tinge,tinge,tinge

[speedpro]

bit closer to home, 3 X RM250 cylinders, home made engine in a ZXR750 chassis

[Madmax]

This is more my style
http://www.twostrokeshop.com/TSS1100GP.htm

[bogan]

This is more my style
http://www.twostrokeshop.com/TSS1100GP.htm

is nice, but where are the pipes, can absorb the look of it without the pipes!

[Brian d marge]

211282

for scary and two stroke there is only one

The mighty BSA

Stephen

[pritch]

211282

for scary and two stroke there is only one

The mighty BSA

Stephen

Wow! And that one's got the optional high speed chrome.

That 750 triple ain't pretty but I admire the skills of the builder. I'd like to ride his bike too, but probably not for too long :whistle:

[Banditbandit]

Well that's your opinion and your welcome to it. Doesn't apply to every rider out there. I will however bet you DB's left nut that asthetics plays some part in your choice.

DB's going to be talking in a half squeaky voice then, because the answer is No. I bought the 650 Bandit (naked version) as a new commuter scooter - wasn't fussed the with looks at all ... In fact I nearly didn't buy it because I didn't like the aesthetics. But for an '05 bike brand new, on the shop floor in '07 at $9,500 on the road, it was a cheap commuter bike ... so I bought it.

Once I rode it I loved it so much - so much fun to commute to work on - I sold my BMW long distance bike and bought the '09 1250 Bandit too ...

Aesthetically they've grown on me ... added a flyscreen to the 650 ... not sure about the pratical value, except for catching bugs - but a slight aesthetic improvement.

[F5 Dave]

Uggh! that is hideous! I mean it almost looks ok once stripped down & the faux covers removed, but what's the point?

He obviously still thinks that like a car a low centre of gravity is a good thing. Honda disproved that comprehensively in 1984(?) with the upside down NSR500. Fuel weight low down made the bike a pig to turn & flip side to side. A project in Mass Decentralisation it would now be called .

[dipshit]

bit closer to home, 3 X RM250 cylinders, home made engine in a ZXR750 chassis

Now that is interesting and a clever bit of engineering!

Is it proving to be reliable?

[dipshit]

He obviously still thinks that like a car a low centre of gravity is a good thing. Honda disproved that comprehensively in 1984(?) with the upside down NSR500. Fuel weight low down made the bike a pig to turn & flip side to side.

Exactly. Wayne Gardner told an interesting story in a mag interview recently when one day at a GP in the pits, Suzuki had set up their tent next to his motor home and they could see straight in the side of their tent. A Honda photographer spent all day rattling off roles and rolls of film through his motor home tinted windows. Honda blew the photos up to lifesize and measured up the frame and geometry of the Suzuki and then realised that their idea of a low centre of gravity was completely wrong.

[F5 Dave]

Kevin Cameron has written a fair bit about it over the years. Heard that Gardner story a few times, whether it's true or not that it had an impact who knows? After all when Lawson arrived at Honda it was 1989 & the Honda was still a pig. Many now blame lack of development due to their lead rider (Gardner) & his wrestle-it-to-the-ground -ride round any problem rather than try & fix it style.

[F5 Dave]

Now that is interesting and a clever bit of engineering!

Is it proving to be reliable?
It has been retired, but the next project will make it look tame.

[chg380]

Maybe you all should post the pics of the bike's that you have built from scratch, Instead of degrading someone else's bike

[n0regret5]

whats with all the attitude guys? that bike is kickass and the guy who built it is a genuinely nice guy. sometimes i fucking hate the tall poppy bullshit in this country eh.

[F5 Dave]

Some of us do have threads of the bikes we are building. I don't think it is tall poppy syndrome to point out that the concept is not sound. Do you hate logic? If my best mate decides to fit brake line anti dive to his bike 'cause it was a great idea from the 80s I'm still going to question it no matter how much I like him or her.

[chg380]

Its not about concept, its about execution, The bike is real, whether you like or not show a little respect. Jaybuilt has the knowledge and the skill to make it happen. I think that peoples lack of being able to build their dream bike from scratch ie the skill's necessary to bring a drawing on paper to life , is no reason to bash someone who can. Its a shame that some of you can't see past your own shortcoming.

[F5 Dave]

Respect is earned buster, not given.

And sorry buddy, like it or not if you walk down the street in a green jumpsuit people are going to poke fun at you. If you do it in winter people will think you are crazy. I'm sure this Jay chap is a lot less worried about what others think than you seem to be.

[bogan]

Respect is earned buster, not given.

And sorry buddy, like it or not if you walk down the street in a green jumpsuit people are going to poke fun at you. If you do it in winter people will think you are crazy. I'm sure this Jay chap is a lot less worried about what others think than you seem to be.

thats a good point, you put that much effort into a project and it becomes irrelevant what others think (especially people on the internets) they haven't been there, they don't know man!

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, & I'm sure with a little time he could run those pipes back underneath the bike. Maybe paint it. . .

[Banditbandit]

Respect is earned buster, not given.



True. This rebuilt Kwaka gets my respect - and so does the builder ... its a job worthy of respect

[F5 Dave]

You know I've had another look at it. The pipes look welded well. I could respect that. But why does the shock angle backward? Is it still rising rate or falling rate? Why are the main frame tubes curved? Every bend is a weakness, frame building 101. Its not like there wasn't room.

I mean if you want to build something effective, ok. If you want to building something beautiful ok.

The 3rd route is building something that is different for the sake of it, & if that's what floats your boat then no one is stopping you.

[imdying]

It's definitely cosmestically challenged, but totally bad arse none the less.

[dipshit]

The 3rd route is building something that is different for the sake of it

And there you have it for 99.9 % of every bike ever built by an American. Their number one design goal seems to be bullshit wank value.

I have never seen a single bike built by a American that I would pay money to own.

Not one.

[Trudes]

Now this is 2 stroke porn (well, he is in my eyes :love: even with the 'for now' wired up chamber :laugh:)

[F5 Dave]

FFS Trudes. "For Now" doesn't mean "Forever". Bend a strap of sheet steel around it, convince it to stick with some tacks of weld & bolt it to that footrest. Drill out the footrest & fit a rubber bung to give some vibration resistance.

But yeah Rangi does look good there.

[Trudes]

hehe, I'm getting there!! Having enough trouble trying to find time to clean my carb and bake a cake before tomorrow!! :laugh: Can't make him look too pretty, it is still meant to be a bit 'Rangi'.

[I'll C U Jimmy]

Far be it from me to dis anyones creative efforts, but regarding (and Im assuming they are talking MPH not KMH) keeping it to 120 rather than 160.........the only way this thing would hit 160 is off a cliff.

[bogan]

Far be it from me to dis anyones creative efforts, but regarding (and Im assuming they are talking MPH not KMH) keeping it to 120 rather than 160.........the only way this thing would hit 160 is off a cliff.

if a 250cc kr-1 can hit 225kmhr, I see no reason why a 500cc couldn't hit 260, even if it is fairingless.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Its only the colour scheme that lets it down, if the whole thing was polished instead of painted it would look outstanding.

That's a fair call, wheels an all. I kinda like it.

[F5 Dave]

if a 250cc kr-1 can hit 225kmhr, I see no reason why a 500cc couldn't hit 260, even if it is fairingless.
To do 260 you would need in excess of 100 rear wheel hp. For example my 750 with 112hp was probably capable of 260, but I never saw it, maybe 250 & that was with typical speedo error usually 10+%. the faster you go the more slipperyness & power you need exponentially(sort of).

Irrespective there is no way an old 60hp 500 has been worked enough to make 100+ bhp except in drag form for several seconds at a time.

[bogan]

To do 260 you would need in excess of 100 rear wheel hp. For example my 750 with 112hp was probably capable of 260, but I never saw it, maybe 250 & that was with typical speedo error usually 10+%. the faster you go the more slipperyness & power you need exponentially(sort of).

Irrespective there is no way an old 60hp 500 has been worked enough to make 100+ bhp except in drag form for several seconds at a time.

fuck is that all they get out of it, hmmm, thats a let down, 250cc 2ts can get 50rwhp so I figured a 500 would have a bit more, especially if the pipes are of good design. Though if a kr-1 can do 225 with around 50rwhp, I think a 100rwhp should see you easily do 260, obviously the kr-1 is a lot more slippery, but still...

[F5 Dave]

Not really too surprising. Designed in the late 60s, air cooled with 2 transfer ports & a low rev ceiling; the Widow Maker was pretty mild in hp terms compared to your example 20 year newer bike, but compared with the competition, an all or nothing approach to power delivery, & dreadful chassis it made a reputation.