Fire extinguishers

[Edbear]

What are you guys paying for your fire extinguishers, the little ones you carry on the bike? I have access to fire extinguishers as a merchant and may be able to help out with cost.

Example, for the .3kg I can offer a discount off the RRP which is $31.45+GST, so how does $25.00+GST sound, making say, $28.00 all up?

[Maha]

I dont have a fire extinguisher, I have insurance.
Would be interesting to know how many carry them?

[Bald Eagle]

How much for a good BCF one ?

[K6K]

Most rides that require extinguishers sell them at $30 (like epic events rides).

[Crisis management]

Last one I got was about $30 but seeing as we never replace them (they area token gesture to keep the forestry guys happy) they seem to last a long time.....

[Edbear]

How much for a good BCF one ?

Sorry, but apart from certain aircraft exemptions, BCF are no longer available due to environmental concerns and haven't been for maybe 15 years or more? These are generally yellow and are filled with Halon. Effective but bad for the atmosphere. Only alternative really, is dry chemical or possibly wet chemical or foam. In the bush you need Class A and dry chemical is the best Class A extinguisher. They are also the cheapest.

[Edbear]

Last one I got was about $30 but seeing as we never replace them (they area token gesture to keep the forestry guys happy) they seem to last a long time.....

I know they're not really effective as they are too small and a bike jacket is probably going to be more effective, but as you say, regs is regs....

[Ride it till the red]

I know they're not really effective as they are too small and a bike jacket is probably going to be more effective, but as you say, regs is regs....

They're available for $20-$25 depending on where you ask. So your price probably isn't cheap enough to be worth people making the effort.... However if you were to sell through a club or at an event your chances would likely be quite good.

[flyingcr250]

They're available for $20-$25 depending on where you ask. So your price probably isn't cheap enough to be worth people making the effort.... However if you were to sell through a club or at an event your chances would likely be quite good.

i get mine for $20 inc gst

[Edbear]

They're available for $20-$25 depending on where you ask. So your price probably isn't cheap enough to be worth people making the effort.... However if you were to sell through a club or at an event your chances would likely be quite good.

If I could sell enough of them to make it worthwhile I could go to $25.00ea.

How about a 2kg ABE for $60.00incl. GST with vehicle mounting bracket?

[Edbear]

i get mine for $20 inc gst

Where from? Is it the same .3kg ABC?

[IIIRII]

I dont have a fire extinguisher, I have insurance.


Done much riding ?

[junkmanjoe]

I carry a small one, had to buy a new one as last one lost its charge, still has the powder in it, but its like its gone flat... weard.. why would it do that.

JMJ

[Dutchee]

I dont have a fire extinguisher, I have insurance.
Would be interesting to know how many carry them?
If you've got the insurance to negate carrying a fire extinguisher at events that require them, you'd be the only one in NZ, except for clubs & organisers (which is mainly done via MNZ insurance).

We're not talking bike insurance here, the forestry doesn't give a crap about your bike, they care about their trees and that is the reason that clubs/organisers require you to carry a fire extinguisher.

For those clubs/organisers that don't require you to carry a fire extinguisher at the moment, don't be surprised that it changes in time. Forestry has to allow us to ride our bikes/walk our dogs etc etc, but a lot of them don't actually want us there. They will continue to make it harder in the hope we'll give up our right.

[Edbear]

I carry a small one, had to buy a new one as last one lost its charge, still has the powder in it, but its like its gone flat... weard.. why would it do that.

JMJ

All extinguishers will eventually lose their charge, some will last years, maybe yours is a lower quality? depending on how old it is. That's why it is recommended they be checked annually. Dry powder extinguishers can be given a shake every few months to keep the chemical loose.

[B0000M]

Forestry has to allow us to ride our bikes/walk our dogs etc etc, but a lot of them don't actually want us there. They will continue to make it harder in the hope we'll give up our right.

im not trying to say you're wrong, im just curious-

why do they HAVE to let us in there??? seems odd that someone would MAKE them allow us in their land

[scott411]

Booom has this right, public access to private land is not a right, and definatly not with a loud ground destroying machine,

it is a small price to pay to carry a fire extingusher to be let into the amount of land that we do,

[Ktmboy]

If you've got the insurance to negate carrying a fire extinguisher at events that require them, you'd be the only one in NZ, except for clubs & organisers (which is mainly done via MNZ insurance).

We're not talking bike insurance here, the forestry doesn't give a crap about your bike, they care about their trees and that is the reason that clubs/organisers require you to carry a fire extinguisher.

For those clubs/organisers that don't require you to carry a fire extinguisher at the moment, don't be surprised that it changes in time. Forestry has to allow us to ride our bikes/walk our dogs etc etc, but a lot of them don't actually want us there. They will continue to make it harder in the hope we'll give up our right.

Eh, please do tell. Are we going to lose forestry access?

[Dutchee]

Eh, please do tell. Are we going to lose forestry access?

Hell no. They just like making it difficult to run events, but it does depend on the forestry folk. Some are brilliant, others aren't.

We (as a collective) have lost access to some forests over the years, but thanks to clubs & organisers, seem to get access back eventually. I'm still waiting to hear that events are starting up in Rotoehu and Minginui (have been told there was a Minginui event a couple of years back). Don't know the politics behind them, but there will be something. I know Putaruru you had to have fire extinguishers, eco-friendly tyres and something else (exhaust thingy, but having brain fade). Other forests it didn't matter, or was a mix & match.

I don't know, they seem to want to grow trees for profit, we want them to grow trees so we can play in them.

This is just my opinion and I just miss going riding in some of the forests down the line.

[Ktmboy]

Hmmm, Interesting.

You sound like you are very well informed...but I can't quite fathom what forests we have lost access to considering we have regular events at the following
Waipu
Te Kopuru
Riverhead
Dome valley
Woodhill
Whangamata
Coromandel
Maramarua
Tokoroa (Putaruru)
Okakune
Reitahi
Taupo

etc etc

Facts not rumour!! Sorry, topic was fire extinguishers I believe.

[Edbear]

Hmmm, Interesting.

You sound like you are very well informed...but I can't quite fathom what forests we have lost access to considering we have regular events at the following
Waipu
Te Kopuru
Riverhead
Dome valley
Woodhill
Whangamata
Coromandel
Maramarua
Tokoroa (Putaruru)
Okakune
Reitahi
Taupo

etc etc

Facts not rumour!! Sorry, topic was fire extinguishers I believe.

LOL!!! Sokay! Can develop the thread along any lines. I've also got the attached....

[Maha]

If you've got the insurance to negate carrying a fire extinguisher at events that require them, you'd be the only one in NZ, except for clubs & organisers (which is mainly done via MNZ insurance).

We're not talking bike insurance here, the forestry doesn't give a crap about your bike, they care about their trees and that is the reason that clubs/organisers require you to carry a fire extinguisher.

For those clubs/organisers that don't require you to carry a fire extinguisher at the moment, don't be surprised that it changes in time. Forestry has to allow us to ride our bikes/walk our dogs etc etc, but a lot of them don't actually want us there. They will continue to make it harder in the hope we'll give up our right.

I was a little bit hasty with my reply, a classic case of not reading the first post enough to ensure the right response, I apologise.

[NordieBoy]

I carry a small one, had to buy a new one as last one lost its charge, still has the powder in it, but its like its gone flat... weard.. why would it do that.

Is it orange?

[junkmanjoe]

Is it orange?

no silly its a red one, like a fire engine only smaller..

i brought it from a forestry safety shop, the small ones the bush guys carry.

JMJ

[BM-GS]

Been digging around in the forum for fire extinguisher info. I found how to mount one, but not where to buy one. I read you can buy them at the rides, but by then it's a bit late to sort out the mountings.

My thought was to try the safety shops (shop, singular?) on the interweb, but while the ride info says we need an 0.3l, the safety sites say 1kg is their smallest. Also people in here have said they buy them for $20 inc GST, but I can only find $30-35. Motomail say they have an 0.3kg, but for $35...

Where do you guys shop? Or have you just bought one and you pass it around at the rides?

Cheers,

[flyingcr250]

Been digging around in the forum for fire extinguisher info. I found how to mount one, but not where to buy one. I read you can buy them at the rides, but by then it's a bit late to sort out the mountings.

My thought was to try the safety shops (shop, singular?) on the interweb, but while the ride info says we need an 0.3l, the safety sites say 1kg is their smallest. Also people in here have said they buy them for $20 inc GST, but I can only find $30-35. Motomail say they have an 0.3kg, but for $35...

Where do you guys shop? Or have you just bought one and you pass it around at the rides?

Cheers,

to be perfectly honest i have never once seen a marshall check the size or even if the extinguisher is full (on a trail ride), they usually just give it a quick look to make sure its not flyspray or something like that. i got away with useing a insect repellant spray can for a few years, but only because the marshals didnt want to look inside my camelbak, they would just feel to see if there was something there that resembled an extinguisher.

[scott411]

Been digging around in the forum for fire extinguisher info. I found how to mount one, but not where to buy one. I read you can buy them at the rides, but by then it's a bit late to sort out the mountings.

My thought was to try the safety shops (shop, singular?) on the interweb, but while the ride info says we need an 0.3l, the safety sites say 1kg is their smallest. Also people in here have said they buy them for $20 inc GST, but I can only find $30-35. Motomail say they have an 0.3kg, but for $35...

Where do you guys shop? Or have you just bought one and you pass it around at the rides?

Cheers,

we have found cheaper ones this year,we sell them at $15, just a spray can size,

i have always tried to find them as cheap as possible,

[Edbear]

we have found cheaper ones this year,we sell them at $15, just a spray can size,

i have always tried to find them as cheap as possible,

Ahah, I have my competition advertising on my thread... :angry: LOL!!! I've seen these but not sure about them. What size are they? I note they have no rating and no details as to the retardant used, so not sure if they are worth carrying.

[firefighter]

Oops, just realised how old this post is.


How much for a good BCF one ?

Naughty. BCF is bad mmmkay. I'm no hippy but they're really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really bad for the environment.

There is never any need for a civvilian to be using them, they are even being phased off Airforce aircraft.

You will never have a need for that extinguisher, especially outside you want dry powder anyway.

The BCF has been banned since 2003.

If you know anyone with one, seriously tell them to hand it in, extinguishers are not that expensive.

Don't quote me, but i've heard of tonnes of atmousphere being destroyed per litre of BCF used. :gob:, which is pretty consistently repeated by most people when talking about the stuff. Yes it is effective, but Co2 used properly will do your job, and you are less likely to kill yourself with it using it inside.

Outside is not as effective as it blows away, being a gas.

[firefighter]

I carry a small one, had to buy a new one as last one lost its charge, still has the powder in it, but its like its gone flat... weard.. why would it do that.

JMJ

It's good practice when using a dry powder to give it a quick tap on the ground and like edbear said give it a shake now and then. Nothing over the top but being a powder it does settle. When it's running out when you are using it give it a couple of solid taps on the ground and jiggle and you'll get a bit more out.

[Edbear]

Naughty. BCF is bad mmmkay. I'm no hippy but they're really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really bad for the environment.

There is never any need for a civvilian to be using them, they are even being phased off Airforce aircraft.

You will never have a need for that extinguisher, especially outside you want dry powder anyway.

The BCF has been banned since 2003.

If you know anyone with one, seriously tell them to hand it in, extinguishers are not that expensive.

Don't quote me, but i've heard of tonnes of atmousphere being destroyed per litre of BCF used. :gob:, which is pretty consistently repeated by most people when talking about the stuff. Yes it is effective, but Co2 used properly will do your job, and you are less likely to kill yourself with it using it inside.

Outside is not as effective as it blows away, being a gas.

Otherwise known as Halon extiguishers, they are yellow in colour and by now most are looking very old. They are still used in some aircraft as firefighter says, but also as he says the aviation industry has been looking at ways to phase them out. They are intrinsically safe and light to carry and were ideal, especially in aircraft sensitive to weight.

For home or commercial use, ABE Dry Powder is unbeatable for cost effective performance on all types of fire. In the kitchen you should have a 1m x 1m fire blanket handy to snuff out any flare-ups safely. These are only about $30.00. I can get a firm KB price if anyone wants one.

[scott411]

Ahah, I have my competition advertising on my thread... :angry: LOL!!! I've seen these but not sure about them. What size are they? I note they have no rating and no details as to the retardant used, so not sure if they are worth carrying.

they are 300ml, not as robust as the ones you are selling for sure, but half the price, do not see any rating either, it just says "Flame retardent fluid"

imo the size of most of the canister that most of us carry will not put out a fuel filled fire, but the forest owners want us to carry something, and it is a small price to pay for the access we have

[Scuba_Steve]

slightly off the bike topic but still keeping with the extinguisher theme, does anyone know around how much it is to get a 1kg dry powder type tested/refilled?

& FYI fuck do they make a mess when you accidently tap the 'go' button :facepalm:

[Edbear]

slightly off the bike topic but still keeping with the extinguisher theme, does anyone know around how much it is to get a 1kg dry powder type tested/refilled?

& FYI fuck do they make a mess when you accidently tap the 'go' button :facepalm:

In my experience, Firewatch tend to be a bit cheaper than Wormald's for that, but their prices for new are just as high. I can do you a new 1kg ABE Dry Powder for only $38.00 incl. GST. Comes with a vehicle mounting bracket as well. Let me know what they want to charge for a refill.

Yup, They do make a mess... :sunny:

[Edbear]

they are 300ml, not as robust as the ones you are selling for sure, but half the price, do not see any rating either, it just says "Flame retardent fluid"

imo the size of most of the canister that most of us carry will not put out a fuel filled fire, but the forest owners want us to carry something, and it is a small price to pay for the access we have

Yeah, thought they'd be next to useless, but as you say, if a bike sets the bush on fire you're gonna need a big one to put it out, so a slong as there's no regulation to meet, anything will do.

[Scuba_Steve]

Well if anyone else is wondering it is cheaper to buy new than to get refilled.

My quotes came out at about 47$ for the 5yr test & 27-29$ +GST for the refill, With all of them recommending to "just buy a new one it'll be cheaper".

(contacts were Wormald, Firewatch, Chubb if anyone wanted to know)

[Edbear]

Well if anyone else is wondering it is cheaper to buy new than to get refilled.

My quotes came out at about 47$ for the 5yr test & 27-29$ +GST for the refill, With all of them recommending to "just buy a new one it'll be cheaper".

(contacts were Wormald, Firewatch, Chubb if anyone wanted to know)

Did they quote you a price for a new one?

[Scuba_Steve]

Did they quote you a price for a new one?

na not really Chubb said the Mitre10 Mega had some for 26$ the other day & might still have them on special, and one of them sold them for about 43$ I think?. But while they were friendly & cheerful I get the feeling individual/personal sales aren't of much interest to them (which I suppose is logical they have set themselves up as 'trade/commercial' operators & the hardware stores/supermarkets have taken the personal market & probably ripped the bottom line out of it as they tend to do)