Draggins kevlar longjohns now available in NZ [Archive]

rie

24th June 2010, 14:02

Kevlar tights basically, that go underneath anything, which is good news for commuters but also good for anybody who is a bit fed up with the lack of choice in safety wear. This way you can wear your own clothes but still get the same protection as wearing draggin jeans. Probably works better in winter time like a thermal.

Anyway, they are now available in NZ at motomail. They are a bit big for me as I am of garden gnome dimensions but if anybody has tried them out I would be interested to know what they are like as it seems to me like a nifty idea.

Product info here:

http://www.dragginjeans.net/product/k-legs

Jonathan

24th June 2010, 15:19

Hmm. Wonder how practical (and comfortable) these are though. I wear cordura trousers over my suit trousers into work. They protect from road rash, impacts, and most importantly the elements. I presume these longjohns only offer protection from road rash.

If you have an off in these you are still going to get major bruising and anything you are wearing over top is a writeoff. Also you are going to get soaked wearing them in the winter, and they would be too hot to wear during summer.

Don't really know a situation where I would use these..

Jonathan

24th June 2010, 15:34

I change my mind, I can think of a few situations where they would be convenient.

hellokitty

24th June 2010, 20:17

they would be great on those cold but fine winter days - better than my thermals

rie

24th June 2010, 21:30

you can buy draggins sock-style (pullover) knee armour for impact protection. and i believe there is padding in the hip/butt area in these longjohns as well, which make them comparable to normal draggin jeans. i rather like the idea of being able to wear my own jeans over them so i don't have to worry about laundering my draggin jeans all the time, which is an issue when you commute...

but when it comes to practicality i've always been of the opinion that good ol' textile is the jack of all trades.

Gone Burger

24th June 2010, 22:05

A friend of mine who ride a bike has been wearing those or something very similar for a while on her bike, with a skirt over the top. Makes me laugh - she is a hot chicky, and the only one I have EVER seen wear a skirt on a motorbike. But she loves them - says they are really comfortable and can go under any trousers for extra protection. I wouldn't mind some to even wear under my cordura pants for even more protection (and warmth)

hellokitty

25th June 2010, 06:54

p.dath

25th June 2010, 07:37

What keeps the long johns in place? Wouldn't they simply slide up exposting your skin if you went for a slide?

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 10:43

Haha thats funny, motorcycle safety long johns !! oh they will work so well smashing your knee caps into the road surface at 100 kmph ..........not

wot a load of marketing crap.

oracle

25th June 2010, 14:38

I don't really think that is the purpose of them. They are for people who would otherwise be unwilling to wear trousers specifically for motorcycling. And no, they do not protect against impact, only sliding but that is surely better than nothing, and as rie said you can get their sock-style knee protectors for impact protection

rie

25th June 2010, 15:34

What keeps the long johns in place? Wouldn't they simply slide up exposting your skin if you went for a slide?

elastic...on both waist and bottom of legs. I think they assume that you would wear boots which would keep it in place. If you went for a major slide that would drag them out of your boots, I am doubtful that any other draggin jeans (or textiles even) may be able to save you then...

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 16:12

Quality Leather with Armour is all there is, the rest is a compromise.

End of story

TOTO

25th June 2010, 16:19

Dishing other company's products before you have even seen and tried it is a good indicator of what businessman you are.

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 16:25

Dishing other company's products before you have even seen and tried it is a good indicator of what businessman you are.

Eh dishing WTF ..... for me leather is the only proven performer in the market, if you think that opinion is wrong then do tell us how these will do anything other than pull your skin off via harsh friction burning

PirateJafa

25th June 2010, 16:33

Quality Leather with Armour is all there is, the rest is a compromise.

Don't worry Toto, I think we can reapply the below statement to the above statement.

wot a load of marketing crap.

In general, decent Cordura gear does a fine job for the intended purpose.

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 16:47

In general, decent Cordura gear does a fine job for the intended purpose.

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

But the "marketing crap" comment is accurate in my opinion, seems another angle of Draggin ever increasing product range..........long johns ? for petes sake, I mean really common people

onearmedbandit

25th June 2010, 16:52

Eh dishing WTF ..... for me leather is the only proven performer in the market, if you think that opinion is wrong then do tell us how these will do anything other than pull your skin off via harsh friction burning

Kangaroo.

Just being a smart arse

imdying

25th June 2010, 16:55

In general, decent Cordura gear does a fine job for the intended purpose.Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

Kangaroo.When the roo's hide is tanned, what does that make it? Just roo hide, or leather? :confused:

p.dath

25th June 2010, 16:57

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

Without wanting to hi-jack the thread, do you know of any abrasion resistance tests done for Cordura and Leather that are on the Internet? I've searched many times but never found anything decent. I would be great when talking to people to have a clearer indication of when people should move from Tectile to Leather, or rather, for people to be aware of the limitations.

Something like:

Cordura took 4.3s to wear through at 50km/h, 1s at 80km/h, etc
1.4mm Leather took 8s to wear though at 50km/h, 2s at 80km/h, etc

onearmedbandit

25th June 2010, 16:57

Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

When the roo's hide is tanned, what does that make it? Just roo hide, or leather? :confused:

Yep, Roohide. Not leather though. That only comes from cows.

Smartarse. Not often referred to as Kangaroo leather but yeah you're right.

oracle

25th June 2010, 17:02

Quality Leather with Armour is all there is, the rest is a compromise.

End of story

Life's full of compromises and it's all a matter of weighing the risks versus benefits. If someone isn't going to wear standard gear, this is better that nothing, surely you must be able to admit that.

Yes, as long as the intended purpose for cordura (if indeed it is cordura) is low speed, i.e street riding, certainly no use for trackdays and high speed stuff.

I don't think anyone would consider wearing these alone on the track. Again you have to consider who these are aimed at, not people doing track days, commuters who generally are only doing low speeds

imdying

25th June 2010, 17:04

Yep, Roohide. Not leather though. That only comes from cows.

Smartarse. Not often referred to as Kangaroo leather but yeah you're right.Heh, nah, unbelievably for me, it was a genuine question.

Worth saying that I do wear a synthetic pants to work (not for jacket or gloves though), but then it takes me 8 minutes at slow speeds and I can afford to replace them easily any time I have an off. If I wasn't so lazy, it'd be leather pants too.

onearmedbandit

25th June 2010, 17:07

I've heard people referring to leathers suits made from Kangaroo hide so I just assumed.

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 17:15

Life's full of compromises and it's all a matter of weighing the risks versus benefits. If someone isn't going to wear standard gear, this is better that nothing, surely you must be able to admit that.

Yes absolutely, I wear Sartso jeans, but only in town, any where with speed its always good leather.
Kangaroo is awesome, except no one wants to pay for it lol

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear, how freckin horrible and uncomfortably Hot would that be, why not just buy some kevlar jeans for low level protection at least. long johns Pfft

I think as I said before marketing crap, someone with some pressure to make new products that are different, well they have done that alright.

ital916

25th June 2010, 17:31

Yes absolutely, I wear Sartso jeans, but only in town, any where with speed its always good leather.
Kangaroo is awesome, except no one wants to pay for it lol

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear, how freckin horrible and uncomfortably Hot would that be, why not just buy some kevlar jeans for low level protection at least. long johns Pfft

I think as I said before marketing crap, someone with some pressure to make new products that are different, well they have done that alright.

It is not that hot. Draggin jeans are kevlar lined and breath just like normal jeans. These new leggings work like long johns in providing a thermal layer against the cold but like normal thermals have a degree of breathability. Yes in hot weather they will be hot but in winter, if protection is needed under normal clothes, then why not kill two birds with one stone. For the record they are not abrasive or uncomfortable at all. The kevlar is different to the unobtanium stuff used in normal draggins and is much nicer and softer.

I for one wouldnt mind a pair to use on cold days when I am going to work but want to wear my nice trousers and still have some protection. Sometimes, wearing draggins or other kevlar jeans isnt the best option.

Next time you are up in aucks pop in and have a looksee.

Now if there is one complaint I do have about gear in nz, that is the lack of decent riding backpacks.

yachtie10

25th June 2010, 17:37

why cant I wear these long johns under my drag-gin jeans for warmth and little more protection
or even my cordura pants for that matter

nadroj

25th June 2010, 17:41

I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear. long johns Pfft

At least they would protect you from CrazySteve!

PirateJafa

25th June 2010, 17:42

Screw that crap, leather doesn't fall to bits when the tarmac scares the crap out of it more than once.

You're clearly doing it wrong if you're crashing that often.

p.dath

25th June 2010, 17:52

I know people like to bag me for having an opinion thats fine, but Im talking as a biker and I cant see the point in have kelvar underwear,

I'm with Quasieveil at the moment. Could you post some pictures of the kit, or give a URL to it? I have no problems understanding the Long John's part - but I'm sceptical of additional protection afforded by it being Kevlar.

So the garment is breathable, yet gravel and dust particles wont penetrate it? Somehow it affixes to the skin so as to not slide on the skin? I assume being Long Johns it's a stretch fabric? If it slides on the skin, and dust particles get in, then your going to get an abrasion. If it just moves around on your skin your probably going to get an abrasoin from the heat of the movement.

I can only laugh :). Everyone is free to wear what underwear they like. That's your business! I just can't see it adding much more protection than no underwear.

ital916

25th June 2010, 18:28

I'm with Quasieveil at the moment. Could you post some pictures of the kit, or give a URL to it? I have no problems understanding the Long John's part - but I'm sceptical of additional protection afforded by it being Kevlar.

So the garment is breathable, yet gravel and dust particles wont penetrate it? Somehow it affixes to the skin so as to not slide on the skin? I assume being Long Johns it's a stretch fabric? If it slides on the skin, and dust particles get in, then your going to get an abrasion. If it just moves around on your skin your probably going to get an abrasoin from the heat of the movement.

I can only laugh :). Everyone is free to wear what underwear they like. That's your business! I just can't see it adding much more protection than no underwear.

If you come off in draggins, you can get gravel rash through the jeans, same with cordura and leather. You can get abrasion and bruising etc through the gear. They are not magical barriers that stop everything.

The idea of the long johns is to keep you warm and if you come off to stop contact with the road and thus preventing it from taking your skin off. No it will not stop all road rash but will greatly minimise the harm done by the road.

I have come off and had friends come off in everything from normal jeans to full suits, in 99% of the cases the gear has prevented major injuries but most of the time we all suffered road rash in some form THROUGH the gear.

Its not a magical barrier but better than nothing and is a hell of a lot easier to live with than leather pants to work everyday.

A major flaw in your thinking is that a breathable garment will let gravel in. Air molecules are a lot smaller than gravel. Cordura and leather both breath to respective levels, yet dont let in gravel. As for dust?.....really. Lets stop and think about that one lol.

Practicality wise, I think they are great and fail to see how people fail to see their useability. They are not leather pants and dont try to be.

READ THIS!

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r3/draggin-jeans/draggin-liners/

http://www.dragginjeans.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=DLINERS

Quasievil

25th June 2010, 18:54

If you come off in draggins, you can get gravel rash through the jeans, same with cordura and leather. You can get abrasion and bruising etc through the gear. They are not magical barriers that stop everything.

Far Far less rash will occur with leathers, as they are tighter fitting garments than jeans and or cordura, also as they are thicker which reduces transfer of heat

The idea of the long johns is to keep you warm and if you come off to stop contact with the road and thus preventing it from taking your skin off. No it will not stop all road rash but will greatly minimise the harm done by the road.

Why not buy a windstop or a polyprope garment for under real gear for warmth ("real" said in gest;-) so settle people)
It wont do a lot as it has no armour in it, what happens when you hit the deck and bounce, no armour means pain and damage to the bones, again, its the wrong gear to be wearing on a motorcycle[/QUOTE]

Its not a magical barrier but better than nothing and is a hell of a lot easier to live with than leather pants to work everyday.

Not being rude or having a go at you mate, but that is the complacency that gets biker injured.
Kevlar underpants wont do bugger all, you have to take your pants of to get them on and take them off again for your working day, why not just wear the right gear, i.e not underpants made from kevlar (eeeek the thought of it)

Practicality wise, I think they are great and fail to see how people fail to see their useability. They are not leather pants and dont try to be.

So what is their actual strength and what is the main focus for this product other than adding a little more "feel good factor" when suiting up for a ride.

good dscussion tho !!

rie

25th June 2010, 19:09

So what is their actual strength and what is the main focus for this product other than adding a little more "feel good factor" when suiting up for a ride.

I don't get the point of the debate: they are not trying to be leathers. Nor do they claim to provide any superior protection to leathers or textiles. They are just one of the offerings in the draggins range.

Their touted strength is simply that instead of forking out for lots of pairs of kevlar jeans (for those who wear kevlar jeans in the first place) you have one pair of longjohns to go underneath anything.

oracle

25th June 2010, 20:08

I don't get the point of the debate: they are not trying to be leathers. Nor do they claim to provide any superior protection to leathers or textiles. They are just one of the offerings in the draggins range.

Their touted strength is simply that instead of forking out for lots of pairs of kevlar jeans (for those who wear kevlar jeans in the first place) you have one pair of longjohns to go underneath anything.

Finally, someone who seems to understand the idea behind these! Not as an equivalent to leathers or even standard cordura pants, but for someone who isn't willing to wear obvious motorcycle gear but would still like some protection

ital916

25th June 2010, 20:17

Finally, someone who seems to understand the idea behind these! Not as an equivalent to leathers or even standard cordura pants, but for someone who isn't willing to wear obvious motorcycle gear but would still like some protection

t'was what I was saying....sigh.

oracle

25th June 2010, 20:34

t'was what I was saying....sigh.
Sorry ital916, was a generalisation and obviously overlooked your post(s)

CookMySock

25th June 2010, 21:18

Ya wouldnt want to come off and get a strand of that kevlar around ya nut. :no:

Steve

Blinkwing

25th June 2010, 22:00

Ya wouldnt want to come off and get a strand of that kevlar around ya nut. :no:

Steve

Unless you wanted a free vasectomy ..

rapid van cleef

26th June 2010, 00:49

250 bucks for kevlar long johns! for fucks sake. id rather wear 2 pairs of thermal pants and me leathers if i wanna stay warm, which i have done, and it works fine n dandy. used to ride through the winter in uk. lots of layers, but warm and safe.......as safe as you can be on a bike

flyingcrocodile46

26th June 2010, 10:35

Yes I read the thread and saw the views expressed. No it ain't leather or cordura and no it doesn't have any impact protection. Yes it is likely to slide up out of the way and expose bare skin, so it has little protective value. Yes it is intended only for riders who want the most minimal protection so is better than nothing (if that is the only alternative that they can imagine).

IMO it rates 1 out of 10 for protection at best (if that is what you are buying it for) so is worth 10% what you would pay for proper protective gear, (which arguably ranges from $500 to $1500). If it's more than $100 it is poor value for money.

Personally I wouldn't wear them for free (unless for warmth under proper gear).

imdying

26th June 2010, 10:49

You're clearly doing it wrong if you're crashing that often.That's the point though, once and it's fucked.

jasonzc

26th June 2010, 13:20

That's the point though, once and it's fucked.

i thought it was designed that way and therefore its 'itended use'? i might be wrong..

but i know that my coudura stuff is gonna last me one off im most likely gonna replace if i crash.

Hopefuly that wont happen..

But no doubt... leather is king

ynot slow

26th June 2010, 19:54

Ladydragon

28th June 2010, 20:49

Went to MotorMail last Friday they are only selling the kevlar long johns but they weren't $250 the ones that they are selling at the moment cost $315

Vinz0r

29th June 2010, 11:40

I think that the pricing on the Draggin site said $250 AUD, which works out to be around $315 NZD

McDuck

29th June 2010, 16:57

I seem to be intreged with the mental picture of a hot chick riding a motorbike wearing a skirt.... can anybody provide pics?

oldrider

29th June 2010, 17:42

Every add for draggin jeans shows a guy being towed behind a bike,sure they maybe good in a slide,but the impact when the body lands is what hurts,sure if sliding kevlar helps,but rarely see moto riders in kevlar do we.Yep this summer I may grab a pair of kevlar jeans with armour added(not the pocketed armour but aftermarket) for short rides,but mostly leather on rides of more than 20km distance.

Long rides are just a whole lot of short rides stitched together, crashes happen in short bits generally no longer than 50 metres at the most!

Not criticising your comment, just something I have pondered over the years, in fact every time I decide on what gear for my next ride!

I have also been pondering Draggin Jeans etc ever since they came out! :confused:

p.dath

29th June 2010, 17:55

Long rides are just a whole lot of short rides stitched together, crashes happen in short bits generally no longer than 50 metres at the most!

Not criticising your comment, just something I have pondered over the years, in fact every time I decide on what gear for my next ride!

I have also been pondering Draggin Jeans etc ever since they came out! :confused:

Crashes nearly always involve a fall. The video's show a person being dragged from a sitting position with no fall involved. Not a typical accident at all.