Top 10 police traffic strategies

[Bounce001]

Isn't new technology scary?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/blogs/connector/3842726/Top-10-police-traffic-technologies

Stop all chases - they will get you anyway!

[Banditbandit]

I wonder how good the laser-guided GPS missile is at hitting motorcycles - and what would be the cosequences of a direct hit?

Or what would be the consequences of a miss ...

[bogan]

haha, lol'd at the scarab and the eureka one. I don't quite understand how tech that hasn't even been developed can be considered new though?

[Scuba_Steve]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."

They're testing in OZ at the mo, & I can see our P.I.G.s taking it on as this could sky rocket their profits with no effort at all. What they don't mention here is its actually being used to check WOF's & vehicle licences, theft & wanted's are just side effects of the device as far as their concerned.

[bogan]

I don't have a problem with the ALPR system as such, it is a very effective solution to catching lawbreakers. The problem I have is with the laws themselves, all this double yellow BS, ACC levies, stupid speed limits etc.

Personally I wait for the day of the AI, prolly number 1million on the list though, but AI's will fix all the corrupt and useless/ineffective laws. Maybe I read too much Neal Ascher :bleh:

[Ixion]

That Scarab thing looks just like a Spyder. Good luck to it if it's locked onto me, following me down lane 1A.

And good luck to the Eureka thing trying to scramble the circuits on some of my vehicles. Circuits? What circuits.

[dipshit]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically.

Why does it scare you..???

I'm sure you would be happy having your stolen bike or car recovered quick smart and the thieving cunts nicked with such a system.

Then you would probably think it was the best thing since sliced bread.

[dipshit]

And good luck to the Eureka thing trying to scramble the circuits on some of my vehicles. Circuits? What circuits.

But then Ixion, the world doesn't actually revolve around you.

[Ixion]

It will when I'm the only one with unscrambled circuits!

More intelligent people might make the logical deduction - if some vehicles can be (or are by design) proof against scrambling, you may be sure that the folk likely to do runners (and getaway cars etc) will ensure that have scramble proof machines., So, the only people that the idea will work on are those who it doesn't need to work on, the ones who won't run.

See, that's what we call "logic". You should try it some time, it's not really that hard. Best way to start is to remove nose from official backside and think an independent thought. Just one to start with, best not get carried away. Keep practicing and eventually you'll find you can actually think for yourself.

[Genestho]

Good stuff, these appear much better alternatives than harsher penalties or calling off pursuits because they're too dangerous.
I'd like to see more. And one would hope that the technology will be well researched and included in any review of pursuit policies.

The great thing about these technologies - is that they're used by other countries, although some are conceptual - we will be able to put into use prior knowledge for best practises to implement, just like the Alcohol Interlocking Devices.

Comments crack me up...

[Genestho]

It will when I'm the only one with unscrambled circuits!

More intelligent people might make the logical deduction - if some vehicles can be (or are by design) proof against scrambling, you may be sure that the folk likely to do runners (and getaway cars etc) will ensure that have scramble proof machines., So, the only people that the idea will work on are those who it doesn't need to work on, the ones who won't run.

See, that's what we call "logic". You should try it some time, it's not really that hard. Best way to start is to remove nose from official backside and think an independent thought. Just one to start with, best not get carried away. Keep practicing and eventually you'll find you can actually think for yourself.

So what's your alternative? Education - yes, harsher penalties (enforcement of current laws would be enough), continue as is, or allow offenders to do runners - with clear consequences? Or would you have something further to contribute? (serious question..)

[bogan]

It will when I'm the only one with unscrambled circuits!

More intelligent people might make the logical deduction - if some vehicles can be (or are by design) proof against scrambling, you may be sure that the folk likely to do runners (and getaway cars etc) will ensure that have scramble proof machines., So, the only people that the idea will work on are those who it doesn't need to work on, the ones who won't run.

See, that's what we call "logic". You should try it some time, it's not really that hard. Best way to start is to remove nose from official backside and think an independent thought. Just one to start with, best not get carried away. Keep practicing and eventually you'll find you can actually think for yourself.

well the common technique to prevent EMF interference is a grounded ferrous material around the electronic bits, all cars have this anyway, so I reckon it'd be well hard to stop an EMP. then again, a 200m range you'd want it to be pretty directional so as not to fry everyones cellphones/laptops etc, I reckon such an EMP device while do-able isn't practical for law enforcement, maybe military though.

[Hopeful Bastard]

I quite like that starchase GPS thingy and The rumbler. Pretty impressive if i must say so myself..

[dipshit]

I reckon such an EMP device while do-able isn't practical for law enforcement, maybe military though.

There has been some military research into EMP devices to bring down aircraft.

[Ixion]

So what's your alternative? Education - yes, harsher penalties (enforcement of current laws would be enough), continue as is, or allow offenders to do runners - with clear consequences? Or would you have something further to contribute? (serious question..)

I think you probably can't stop it. The professional get away car driver isn't going to stop no matter what . But, is the focus on runners obscuring the real problem ? The only reason the runner comes to the attention of the cops in the first place is that they are doing stupid shit. You can drive round for ages breaking all sorts of rules if you do so discretely, and no one will really care. Mostly polic e chase people ebcause they were behaving dangerously or stupidly before being chased.

Now, if the cops see them doing stupid shit, then, given that there aren't that many cops, and they can't be everywhere at once, you may be sure that they've done stupid shit a LOT before being spotted.

And the papers are full, every weeek , of reports of people dying because someone did stupid shit without being spotted and pursued. They just went out, did something stupid, no cops around, but they died anyway. The ones who die being pursued (or the bystanders collected) are a tiny percentage of the total stupid-shit toll.

So , really, is not the question "How do you stop people doing stupid shit" ?

Which you won't do with electronic gizmos. Because to use the gizmo the cop has to spot them. And , as per above, they'll have done an awful lot of stupid-shit (on average) before being spotted. If it's a race between stupid-shit-doer being killed , and stupid-shit-doer being spotted by cops, the odds will always be on being killed first.

[Ixion]

well the common technique to prevent EMF interference is a grounded ferrous material around the electronic bits, all cars have this anyway, so I reckon it'd be well hard to stop an EMP. then again, a 200m range you'd want it to be pretty directional so as not to fry everyones cellphones/laptops etc, I reckon such an EMP device while do-able isn't practical for law enforcement, maybe military though.

trust me, trying to interfere with my magneto would be like trying to interfere with Helen Clark. Unpleasant and pointless.

[MarkH]

Bloody Irish have stolen MY idea:


3. StarTraq

Northern Ireland has recently adopted a system which, instead of fining or otherwise punishing, offers offenders the opportunity to take a driving course. Of course, those who seriously exceed limits will still receive cold, hard fines.

I'd love to find out how well this works though. Imagine educating INSTEAD of punishing, you'd end up with law enforcement that was almost civilised.

[Ixion]

Various states in the USA have been doing this for years. "Traffic school" they call it.

[Genestho]

I think you probably can't stop it. The professional get away car driver isn't going to stop no matter what . But, is the focus on runners obscuring the real problem ? The only reason the runner comes to the attention of the cops in the first place is that they are doing stupid shit. You can drive round for ages breaking all sorts of rules if you do so discretely, and no one will really care. Mostly polic e chase people ebcause they were behaving dangerously or stupidly before being chased.

Now, if the cops see them doing stupid shit, then, given that there aren't that many cops, and they can't be everywhere at once, you may be sure that they've done stupid shit a LOT before being spotted.

And the papers are full, every weeek , of reports of people dying because someone did stupid shit without being spotted and pursued. They just went out, did something stupid, no cops around, but they died anyway. The ones who die being pursued (or the bystanders collected) are a tiny percentage of the total stupid-shit toll.

So , really, is not the question "How do you stop people doing stupid shit" ?

Which you won't do with electronic gizmos. Because to use the gizmo the cop has to spot them. And , as per above, they'll have done an awful lot of stupid-shit (on average) before being spotted. If it's a race between stupid-shit-doer being killed , and stupid-shit-doer being spotted by cops, the odds will always be on being killed first.
So continue on, as is then....? (no consolation to those caught up)

You're right doing stupid stuff or not - is and has always been down to the individual, and it has been said a million times before, by all sorts of institutions both NZ and worldwide - that no legislation will work - if the individuals won't comply. Those individuals will always fall through the cracks, and that applies in all areas of life. No matter what you do.
Luckily - we still have legislational consequences despite that knowledge .

With some gizmos you can prevent people doing stupid stuff - it's already happening, with education - you can prevent people doing stupid stuff, with enforcement you can prevent people doing stupid stuff, and letting things unfold prevent other people doing stupid stuff.
Allowing the cops to do their job - prevents stupid stuff.


There's never a sole magic bullet to any problem - because of learning, upbringing and historical experience differences from each of us - doing the same things over and over as we've done and expecting different results is insanity - it is wise to be open minded and look at all the possibilities.

[Spearfish]

Bloody Irish have stolen MY idea:



I'd love to find out how well this works though. Imagine educating INSTEAD of punishing, you'd end up with law enforcement that was almost civilised.

We are free to educate ourselves now, just look at the learner system no compulsion to do anything.
Its completely up to us to do formal training at any level or style but who really does it?

None of this stuff will ever get used in NZ. When this gear goes online overseas the NZ police brass will try to reinvent something new at 10 times the cost with even less effectiveness than a traffic cop chasing after bike trying to shove a wooden broom handle through the spokes. Howard the broad will fold to the media like a limp piece of celery and say a review has been done and traffic units are being trained in the use of the "menacing stare" tactical option and they hope to roll out equipped units over the next two years starting with south auckland.

[shrub]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."

They're testing in OZ at the mo, & I can see our P.I.G.s taking it on as this could sky rocket their profits with no effort at all. What they don't mention here is its actually being used to check WOF's & vehicle licences, theft & wanted's are just side effects of the device as far as their concerned.

And it's a very short step to monitoring movement of citizens. "Mr Jones, what were you doing driving down Some Rd at 2.00 am?". Mind you, they are already pretty well able to do that with cellphones.

[Katman]

So , really, is not the question "How do you stop people doing stupid shit" ?



That's absolutely the question.

So what is BRONZ's policy on stopping motorcyclists doing stupid shit? And don't give me "It's not our place to stop motorcyclists doing anything" because if BRONZ don't make it their place to do something about it your organisation will achieve a grand total of nothing for the future of motorcycling.

[Madmax]

trust me, trying to interfere with my magneto would be like trying to interfere with Helen Clark. Unpleasant and pointless.

what about diesels as well pure mechs

[Scuba_Steve]

Why does it scare you..???

I'm sure you would be happy having your stolen bike or car recovered quick smart and the thieving cunts nicked with such a system.

Then you would probably think it was the best thing since sliced bread.

Simply because as said, it will not be used for good, it's main purpose would be to make $$$. Even with this system I would never expect to see my bike again if it were just the cops on the case.

[Ixion]

what about diesels as well pure mechs

Yes. Try using electronics to stop a Cummins diesel.Mech fuel pump, mech injectors.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't have a problem with the ALPR system as such, it is a very effective solution to catching lawbreakers. The problem I have is with the laws themselves, all this double yellow BS, ACC levies, stupid speed limits etc.

Personally I wait for the day of the AI, prolly number 1million on the list though, but AI's will fix all the corrupt and useless/ineffective laws. Maybe I read too much Neal Ascher :bleh:

HELL No. I've watched Terminator too many times. Its Skynet, man!!

the upside is that when we are in full blown war mode with the machines, there will be no speed limits at all. I'm just saying.

[Blackshear]

Yes. Try using electronics to stop a Cummins diesel.Mech fuel pump, mech injectors.

But then again - how likely is this going to out-run a police car?
I'm not saying it's impossible, but let's be realistic here.

Personally, I'm not too fond of the GPS tracking and onboard retardants. That's just asking for privacy invasions and accidents.

[Ixion]

Outrun it ? I was thinking , more like run right over the top of it .

[p.dath]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."


I know someone involved in a device like this. Funnily enough they said one of the bigger problems at the moment is the system doesn't distingiuish how serious the offence is that the person is wanted for. So if they drive around with it on for a day they can get a week of paperwork to complete dealing with mostly minior offences (aka, WOF expired, etc).

They want it so that they can tune it so that it only alerts on more serious offences where they actually want to stop and apprehend the person.

[Blackshear]

Outrun it ? I was thinking , more like run right over the top of it .

Hey come on man, that's not even fair. You've probably got 10-12 tonnes up on the poor copper.

[p.dath]

That Scarab thing looks just like a Spyder. Good luck to it if it's locked onto me, following me down lane 1A.

And good luck to the Eureka thing trying to scramble the circuits on some of my vehicles. Circuits? What circuits.

I can't imagine it being used in civillian circumstances. Imagine what will happen the first time it kills a child that has ran out onto the road because it is persuing a vehicle with no regard for public safety.

[p.dath]

Rather than an EMP, it would probably be easier to re-engineer our fuel and make petrol companies put a chemical in it that would react to an external stimulus like an EM field.

Imagine a fuel that suddenly turned into jelly when exposed?

But then, I don't want to give anyone ideas.

[Ixion]

Hey come on man, that's not even fair. You've probably got 10-12 tonnes up on the poor copper.

10 toinnes. I was thinking of more like 30 tonnes. All I have to do is figure out how to make the brute wheelie.

[Kickaha]

They're testing in OZ at the mo, & I can see our P.I.G.s taking it on as this could sky rocket their profits with no effort at all.

Their profits? :lol::lol: fuck you're a funny man

[bogan]

HELL No. I've watched Terminator too many times. Its Skynet, man!!

the upside is that when we are in full blown war mode with the machines, there will be no speed limits at all. I'm just saying.

lol, exactly, one way or another AI will end silly traffic infringement laws. I still reckon theres more chance of not having a skynet though. But if I made one I think I'd call it skynet just to fuck with people.

[Dare]

3. StarTraq

Northern Ireland has recently adopted a system which, instead of fining or otherwise punishing, offers offenders the opportunity to take a driving course. Of course, those who seriously exceed limits will still receive cold, hard fines.
Hahahahahaha
What a Radical idea. It will never catch on.

[Dare]

Rather than an EMP, it would probably be easier to re-engineer our fuel and make petrol companies put a chemical in it that would react to an external stimulus like an EM field.

Imagine a fuel that suddenly turned into jelly when exposed?

But then, I don't want to give anyone ideas.

Replace jelly with glue and fuel with tyres and you might be onto something. Or some kind of electronic mechanism fitted to brake lines that applies increasing pressure when a cop triggers it...
EMP is fine and dandy in places like the UK, cars over a certain age aren't allowed on the roads due to emissions standards.
Guaranteed write-off if you EMP someones car though, and those things are hardly precise.

[Leviticus]

this one scares me...

"8. Automatic licence plate recognition
The ALPR system uses several cameras mounted on top of a police car to scan each number plate which comes in front of it automatically. Those numbers are almost instantly checked against a database to see whether the car is stolen, or if the owner is wanted. It looks forwards, sideways - for parking lots etc."

They're testing in OZ at the mo, & I can see our P.I.G.s taking it on as this could sky rocket their profits with no effort at all. What they don't mention here is its actually being used to check WOF's & vehicle licences, theft & wanted's are just side effects of the device as far as their concerned.

This has been around in UK for a few years now. Road licence (rego), MOT (wof), Insurance, and driver databases all checked instantly. Car is followed and when stopped, impounded and crushed if not claimed.

Hardball attitude, but with the population explosion that has happened due to opening of european borders, unlicensed drivers and vehicles are everywhere. Will happen here sometime in next 50 years ;-p

[rastuscat]

Imagine educating INSTEAD of punishing, you'd end up with law enforcement that was almost civilised.

Education is already available. Trouble is, the people who actually go out and seek it are probably not the ones who need it.

Because it isn't mandated, those who get the education are those with a bent toward safety. Normally, it's not them who need it. All those tossers who think they are shit-hot drivers/riders with nothing to learn will not get the education.

So there.

[p.dath]

Education is already available. Trouble is, the people who actually go out and seek it are probably not the ones who need it.

Because it isn't mandated, those who get the education are those with a bent toward safety. Normally, it's not them who need it. All those tossers who think they are shit-hot drivers/riders with nothing to learn will not get the education.

I quite like the idea of the system proposed earlier in this thread used by the UK and Northern Ireland. If you have demerit points you can optionally attend a course and get some of the points removed, and if you licence is suspended you can have the susension shortened if you choose to attend (at your own cost in both cases).

I like the idea of this because it gives people an incentive to attend training courses, rather than trying to punish something out of existance.