Watch John Campbell tonight TV3 at 7:00 PM tonight

[FastBikeGear]

He is doing a story on the increasing cost of ACC to New Zealanders.

This issue is not dying. It's fast becoming a very large and cumbersome Albatross for the National Party.

[yachtie10]

will do bump

[Fatt Max]

Nice one, cheers dude

[caseye]

Ta for the heads up, will be watching with all eyes.

[Maha]

Dont normally watch JC, hes to fuckin' marvelous for me, but will tonight.

[Mom]

He is doing a story on the increasing cost of ACC to New Zealanders.

This issue is not dying. It's fast becoming a very large and cumbersome Albatross for the National Party.

Luckily there are a few of us sitting in the wings to capitalise on that :)

[scumdog]

1 years ACC levy on 1966 car: $58:97

3 months ACC levy on 1983 Suzuki: $63:18

wtf??:scratch:

[Usarka]

Don't worry no one will be watching - Close Up on the other channel are doing something on John Banks $400 credit card expense.

[schrodingers cat]

By crikey he really got stuck into them with his muzzle didn't he? Showed them his gums and all.

Cheaper than advertising for ACC...

[Usarka]

Campbell you wimp. Why did you drop the question about whether the current income was paying for claims.

Fucking NZ journalism needs a bullet.

[bogan]

Does seem strange how they are charging more for a vehicle just cos it's deisel, seems to me they are grouping other factors in with that somehow as they did for the 600cc division. Was it just deisel vans, or do deisel cars get hit too? my flatmate has one. The adding of $180 would require some sort of advanced warning though wouldn't it, or did they slip that under the radar when the bikers were having a whinge?

[bogan]

Campbell you wimp. Why did you drop the question about whether the current income was paying for claims.

Fucking NZ journalism needs a bullet.

i felt he dropped that because the other guy was saying bout paying for past and future, would have been good if he got stuck in about the whole future funding issue though, maybe that was a no-go area for the interview? see if he'll try again in a few weeks I reckon

[yachtie10]

well it does highlight that its not just motorcyclists (dont know if that helps)

not impressed with the skip over 600cc+ motocyclists

ACC guy seemed nervous but wasnt capitalised on nearly enough

[cold comfort]

As John says "welcome to the show" ! Entertainment value only. What ever happened to journalists asking the hard questions. I note the usual "motorists are cross subsidizing motorcyclists" trotted out with a predictably stunning lack of challenge. Yes and where was the over 600cc rort?

[schrodingers cat]

Campbell you wimp. Why did you drop the question about whether the current income was paying for claims.

Fucking NZ journalism needs a bullet.

I reckon he traded his balls to get his own show. He's fucking gutless these days

[yachtie10]

As John says "welcome to the show" ! Entertainment value only. What ever happened to journalists asking the hard questions. I note the usual "motorists are cross subsidizing motorcyclists" trotted out with a stunning lack of challenge as usual.

Thing is the have done the same with diesel vehicles as motorcycles. i.e. they have taken the cost of claims associated with diesel vehicles regardless of who is at fault then charged the group as though they are at fault

[FastBikeGear]

Why didn't he ask the "General Manager of ACC Insurance"

"Why does the driver of a diesel van pay more ACC than the same driver of a petrol van?"

The whole ACC issue is just getting more absurd. Is it absurd enough now for New Zealanders to ask for it to be opened up to private insurance competition?

Wouldn't it be smarter to acknowledged the contribution that diesel owners make to lowering our international deficit not to mention being a greener fuel by offering owners of diesel cars lower registration fees rather than higher fees"

[bogan]

Thing is the have done the same with diesel vehicles as motorcycles. i.e. they have taken the cost of claims associated with diesel vehicles regardless of who is at fault then charged the group as though they are at fault

that doesn't make sense though, as diesels are likely to be heavier and less injury prone I would have thought, also bigger and less likely to be run into. I reckon they averaged a bunch of diesel bus accidents (more hurt people cost more per accident) and said it must be the same for all of them.

[one fast tl1ooo]

Arrr fuckin cool. :lol: I own two diesel 4x4 And 3 road bikes over 600cc.. Nice just under $3000 a year in rego

[danchop]

isnt it because diesels dont pay any acc through thier disel purchases?

[yachtie10]

isnt it because diesels dont pay any acc through thier disel purchases?

no they pay it in road user charges

[FastBikeGear]

Thing is the have done the same with diesel vehicles as motorcycles. i.e. they have taken the cost of claims associated with diesel vehicles regardless of who is at fault then charged the group as though they are at fault

Very interesting point you raise Yachtie10!

Presumably they justifying charging diesel drives more, not because they are likely to make more ACC claims, but because they are likely to be driving bigger/more robust vehicles and are therefore more likely to injure other road users who will make claims

If the same logic were applied to other classes...Car drivers would pay more than bike riders because they are more likely to insure bike riders.

The more they play with it the more ridiculous the logic becomes.

[Usarka]

Pedestrians are still the highest risk road users.

Tax that little shit walking to school with his drink bottle and lunch box. Tax him haaaard.

[Fatt Max]

Tax that little shit walking to school with his drink bottle and lunch box. Tax him haaaard.

Thats my boss on his way to work mate

[Big Dave]

>>Watch John Campbell tonight TV3 at 7:00 PM tonight<<

I would rather give myself a labotomy.

[danchop]

no they pay it in road user charges

road user charges dont go to acc,theyre for road funding

[Maha]

>>Watch John Campbell tonight TV3 at 7:00 PM tonight<<

I would rather give myself a labotomy.

So how did that go?

[FastBikeGear]

>>Watch John Campbell tonight TV3 at 7:00 PM tonight<<

I would rather give myself a labotomy.

Take your pick either way it's the same end result.

[yachtie10]

road user charges dont go to acc,theyre for road funding

I think you are right but the anomaly is that petrol users pay an acc levies in the tax on petrol but diesel users dont pay that tax they have road user charges which dont have an ACC levy
maybe thats why the diesel charges have gone up so much

[danchop]

well thats what i reckon,a few years ago diesels were more road transport operators/farmers etc,now theres every dick and harry with them and acc want thier cut

[mashman]

well thats what i reckon,a few years ago diesels were more road transport operators/farmers etc,now theres every dick and harry with them and acc want thier cut

especially if the new diesel users engines are now as efficient as petrol ones and the switch will hit ACC hard... looks like it's all over then... ahhhh peace and quiet at last :shifty:

[Big Dave]

Hey. If I'm going to have the will to live sucked from my body by a cathode ray tube or liquid crystals I want a mo-fo alien driving it - or at least the chance to go all Bruce Willis medieval on their Donkey.

[Usarka]

Hey. If I'm going to have the will to live sucked from my body by a cathode ray tube or liquid crystals I want a mo-fo alien driving it - or at least the chance to go all Bruce Willis medieval on their Donkey.

I'm glad some one is tripping balls tonight.

Where are the shrooms? Fucked if i can find any.... dammit.

[rustic101]

By crikey he really got stuck into them with his muzzle didn't he? Showed them his gums and all.

I've seen stabbed rats with more aggression than John Campbell - marvellous not

[specter]

got my rego renew today.... $350 ACC, i might become de registered for a wee while, i know others will pay more than me, but even the little man has to take a stand

[bogan]

got my rego renew today.... $350 ACC, i might become de registered for a wee while, i know others will pay more than me, but even the little man has to take a stand

can you post up the price breakdown for a years worth? I wanna see where this $30 saftey fund thing comes in

[specter]

can you post up the price breakdown for a years worth? I wanna see where this $30 saftey fund thing comes in

$30 safety fund?

sorry bogan, burnt the letter in hate..

[bogan]

$30 safety fund?

sorry bogan, burnt the letter in hate..

yeh, I'm unsure as to whether the 30 per rego is taken from the acc levy, or is an additional cost. It all goes into a biker safety fund for ad cmpaigns or traing or whatever apparently.

lol, don't you need the letter to put her on hold?

[specter]

yeh, I'm unsure as to whether the 30 per rego is taken from the acc levy, or is an additional cost. It all goes into a biker safety fund for ad cmpaigns or traing or whatever apparently.

lol, don't you need the letter to put her on hold?

nope you can do it over the phone...

man the government pisses me off, they're completely missing an untapped market in driver training

[Brian d marge]

"Is it he?" quoth one, "Is this the man?
By him who died on cross,
With his cruel bow he laid full low,
The harmless Albatross.

"The spirit who bideth by himself
In the land of mist and snow,
He loved the bird that loved the man
Who shot him with his bow."

The other was a softer voice,
As soft as honey-dew:
Quoth he, "The man hath penance done,
And penance more will do."

He will never rest easy in NZ if he Fks up ACC I will see to that

Stephen
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[Swoop]

got my rego renew today.... $350 ACC, i might become de registered for a wee while,
You do appreciate that the "hold" period only occurs at the end of the licencing period, right?

[Big Dave]

dammit.

You'll never be over mucho grande.

[Naki Rat]

no they pay it in road user charges

WRONG! There is no ACC in RUCs or in diesel at the pump. That is why they pay higher rego.

[pzkpfw]

re: the diesel versus petrol cost thing.

What it highlights is the absurdity of chasing "user pays" by using statistics to draw little circles around groups of people for the purpose of targetting them with fees.

I asked my mate who works at ACC (he's a good bloke, I don't blame him for where he works) "why don't drivers of safer cars pay less ACC?"

Well, it turns out that safer cars would have to be charged more.

...because safer cars tend to be newer and more expensive cars - and owned by people with higher incomes; who cost ACC more.

[Max Preload]

would have been good if he got stuck in about the whole future funding issue though, maybe that was a no-go area for the interview? see if he'll try again in a few weeks I reckonTime that journalists had some fucking integrity and started to asked the questions the people want answered not just those politicians agree to. Then again, most people wouldn't have a fucking clue what's going on and wouldn't care if they did.

[oldrider]

Nick Smith would require surgery before he could look anyone in the eye but his whole political character seems to be out of line as well! :shifty:

[MSTRS]

Nick Smith would require surgery before he could look anyone in the eye but his whole political character seems to be out of line as well! :shifty:

He could maybe be redeemed if he went for the kinda surgery we can all relate to...
Head, meet pike.

[Squiggles]

The more they play with it the more ridiculous the logic becomes.

Always good to see what rates the much beloved Victorian TAC sets. http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/jsp/content/NavigationController.do?areaID=25&tierID=1&navID=EFDFDAC17F0000010110F06769A6061E&navLink=null&pageID=1088
Gives a good idea of where we could be heading