Charley on the money

[rastuscat]

Professor Charley Lamb is quoted in The Press today as saying that the Tasman District Police campaign to stop motorcyclists is all about revenue collecting. He further says that instead of revenue collecting the Police should get involved in motorcycle training days.

I disagree with him on the motivation for the Tasman Police to target motorcyclists, as is my right to do so.

However, I would point out that Christchurch Police have been involved in several training days at Ruapuna in the last couple of years, and will be at the next one on 24 July too. We haven't made a single razoo in dosh for the gubbermint, and have spoken to hundreds of riders.

So there, Charley.

[onearmedbandit]

At a recent Pro Rider training day my girlfriend attended one of the instructors was a motorcycle cop up that way. He was a decent bloke whose sole interest was in stopping riders from hurting themselves.

It's a little sad that Prof Lamb has jumped on the 'revenue gathering' bandwagon, not that I know the guy but that's not what I would've expected. It just alienates people. Sure there may be officers out there whose intention is simply seeing how many tickets they write, but to cast a blanket generalisation?

[rastuscat]

At a recent Pro Rider training day my girlfriend attended one of the instructors was a motorcycle cop up that way. He was a decent bloke whose sole interest was in stopping riders from hurting themselves.

I know that guy, he's a personal friend. We did the Popo motorcycle qualifying course together some years back.

Good bloke, despite riding some Italian thing called a Moto Guzzi. Cringe.

Charley seems like a decent bloke too, but he's human, so he falls into the revenue collecting bollocks thing at times too.

So there.

[yungatart]

So Chch police run a rider safety programme, as well as presumably ticketing naughty boys and girls. Nelson police are ramping up the targetting of bikers - what are they doing about rider safety?

[rastuscat]

So Chch police run a rider safety programme, as well as presumably ticketing naughty boys and girls. Nelson police are ramping up the targetting of bikers - what are they doing about rider safety?

OAB answered your question. The cop he was talking about is based in Nelson. He, and all the other cops up there I know, don't give a toss about the fine revenue. They deal with people coz their behaviour might need to change, and to make sure they are playing by the rules.

So, to answer your question, Kev is working with Karel Pavic at ProRider to improve rider safety. You?

So there.

[Taz]

It's all about money when it comes to road policing from a government level. Rastucat and others have just been brainwashed.

[MSTRS]

A bouquet to ChCh po-lice for being proactive.
And a brickbat to Nelson lot for not...

[davereid]

Professor Charley Lamb is quoted in The Press today as saying that the Tasman District Police campaign to stop motorcyclists is all about revenue collecting. He further says that instead of revenue collecting the Police should get involved in motorcycle training days.

I disagree with him on the motivation for the Tasman Police to target motorcyclists, as is my right to do so.

However, I would point out that Christchurch Police have been involved in several training days at Ruapuna in the last couple of years, and will be at the next one on 24 July too. We haven't made a single razoo in dosh for the gubbermint, and have spoken to hundreds of riders.

So there, Charley.

Every time police have interaction with motorcyclists at a track day, rider training day, or in a positive way, it's my opinion that they gain respect from motorcyclists, and the general public alike.

This can only be good for the police, and a positive influence for the motorcyclist.

An absolute thumbs up to you and your guys for playing the game that way.

But in Tasman, that's not how they are playing it.

First they bragged about stopping the Hells Angels using the armed offenders squad, 5 times on one ride.
While I have no time for 1% gangs, I didn't see this as effective policing, I saw it as harassment, and abuse of power. And in discussions with my peer group of middle aged white businessmen, I found the general opinion was much the same.

Police justified it calling them "known criminals". This of course just raised the issue of incompetence. If they are "known criminals" shouldn't the police if they are competent simply prepare a case and arrest them ?

Shortly after this, the "We are concerned about all motorcyclists" line was postulated, and the idea of stopping motorcyclists at every possible opportunity for "compliance checks" was introduced.

It appals me that they really believe that they will gain anything other than the hatred of the perpetually harangued motorcyclist from this. Do they really think this will help ?

There are some great cops with great attitudes on this site, you, Patrick, and Scumdog (even though I never agree with him) spring to mind.

But overall, IMHO the police have lost their way. They can't even get positive feedback from their traditional support base, the white, wealthy middle class. They no longer have the respect or support of the general public.

Long term this is a disaster for our police, and the country as a whole. Someone in Police HQ has to wake up...

[98tls]

What i dont get is why there no police presence at well advertised events like poker runs etc,not my cup a tea though went on one awhile back as i considered it a worthy cause though only served to remind me why i havent before and wont again.What a fuck fest it was ie from the get go a recipe for disaster as in a card at every pub,I knew what was going to happen from the second pub stop onwards why the cops dont is beyond me.

[rastuscat]

It's all about money when it comes to road policing from a government level. Rastucat and others have just been brainwashed.

My brain was due for a wash, so I did it last Sunday. My bike is next on the list.

Doh !!

[MIXONE]

My brain was due for a wash, so I did it last Sunday. My bike is next on the list.

Doh !!

I washed mine and it shrunk!

[SMOKEU]

I washed mine and it shrunk!

Looks like you phucked it then.

[Patrick]

That Professor is a right Charley. You would think someone with some obvious intelligence would work it out.... what a dumb arse.

"Revenue Collecting" is the catch phrase for those too dumb to work out that it was their own doing that cost them. But hey, blame someone/something else.... it is the Kiwi way.

What does the right Charley say about the reduction in fines and the raising of demerits, as has occurred recently, for example?

Not much, I guess.......

[MSTRS]

"Revenue Collecting" is the catch phrase for those too dumb to work out that it was their own doing that cost them.

And a valid catchphrase it is. A fair cop is one thing, but tactics along the lines of entrapment or baiting or outright lying (consecutive tickets for the exact same speed, perhaps)...that's blatant revenue collecting. And we all know it happens.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hey, so theres a track day on 24 July?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I washed mine and it shrunk!

I vogorously washed mine and it expanded.

then shrunk :(

[outlawtorn]

Please don't be so quick to give Charley a hard time guys, he has and continues to do a lot for motorcyclists.

[fossil]

"Every time police have interaction with motorcyclists at a track day, rider training day, or in a positive way, it's my opinion that they gain respect from motorcyclists, and the general public alike.

This can only be good for the police, and a positive influence for the motorcyclist.

An absolute thumbs up to you and your guys for playing the game that way.

But in Tasman, that's not how they are playing it."

Thats not what I am hearing from my contacts in Nelson. The check has been positive for 3 of them including 1 of the police offering some set up advice for my friends BMW F650. The policeman owns the same model.

[davereid]

Thats not what I am hearing from my contacts in Nelson. The check has been positive for 3 of them including 1 of the police offering some set up advice for my friends BMW F650. The policeman owns the same model.

Phew that puts my mind at rest. If you liked it, and your mate liked it, and your mates mate liked it, and the cop liked it, it must be OK.

Silly me.

[fossil]

Phew that puts my mind at rest. If you liked it, and your mate liked it, and your mates mate liked it, and the cop liked it, it must be OK.

Silly me.

You could be right

[warewolf]

"Revenue Collecting" is the catch phrase for those too dumb to work out that it was their own doing that cost them.It's also the catch phrase from the public & the judiciary for petty ticketing by the cops lest their KPIs look bad. It's the difference between fair, and just. Quotas seemed to have undermined the cops' ability to apply discretion to decide between those two.


What does the right Charley say about the reduction in fines and the raising of demerits, as has occurred recently, for example?Probably phuck all, just like rest of us who know nada about it.

[Patrick]

It's also the catch phrase from the public & the judiciary for petty ticketing by the cops....

the judiciary???? Really????????????????? Don't they add on their $130 court fees to these unjust revenue collections?

Probably phuck all, just like rest of us who know nada about it.

Quoted for truth.....:yes: