Guilty?

[250learna]

Sorry if this offends anyone but I saw MJ trial the other day and wanted to find out what KBikers think bout the whole thing?
Whats your thoughts on old Michael Jackson?
Guilty or not?
Do you still listen to his music?

Ill start off i spose. I know he has done "some" wierd things with himself and in his life... for touching kids i realy cant say if i beilive it or not, some of the victims practically said that they are lieing because they were told to once they were on the stand :weird: not very convincing, but on the other hand its not like it was just one kid who was suposevly touched :puke:
Does anyone remeber when he came to NZ? He wouldnt come unless they built a ramp for the disabled into the stadium, and gave them all free tickets as well as ppl who were bringing them in, in my mind i just cant see how a same persen can do both acts :no:

Anyways i still listen to his music sometimes, i grew up listinig to it next to my olds and still like all the older song...such as man in the mirror, how ironic is that?

"iIf You Wanna Make The World A Better Place Take A Look At Yourself, And then Make A Change"

[Waylander]

Only song I ever liked by him was thriller. The rest just didn't interest me. Havn't watched the trial and don't really care. My bet is just typical americana. Grab as much money as you can and when that runs out, sue. Same thing happend with the catholic priests. One case and then suddenly there's hundreds. Greedy idiotic parrents making thier kids say embarising shit for money. There may be one or two genuine cases but they get drowned out in all the rest of the BS.

[Sutage]

Undecided myself, hes got some wicked songs, and seems like a good guy.. misunderstood maybe? who knows whats going on but he has done some good stuff

some kids bullshit that he touched them or whatever, and now the whole world hates him/forgets his songs/contributions

all in all hes a wierd guy thats for sure? a kiddy raper i dunno

leave him be i say

[Jantar]

If can do to himself all the weird things he has then he is totally insane. The zoo option seems best.

[StoneChucker]

What I fail to understand is, how the hell can he be BROKE??? Infact, worse than that, in debt up to his eyeballs, or atleast where his eyeballs should be.

Leave him be for sure, done heaps of good over the years. Made good music, just verrrrrry weird :weird:

[250learna]

What I fail to understand is, how the hell can he be BROKE??? Infact, worse than that, in debt up to his eyeballs, or atleast where his eyeballs should be.

Leave him be for sure, done heaps of good over the years. Made good music, just verrrrrry weird :weird:

:killingme thats awsome :rofl:

I dont realy understand how he is broke, spose when you grow up on a tight budget and then you get all the money in the world, you dont know what to do with it and it goes to your head, and face and body etc....., seems to be a common theme amung singers... maybe someone should write "investing for dummies" booke and sell it to all intertainers....maybe follow it up with some courses?
but thanks to their lack of respect for money velvet revolver has been formed :niceone:
my friend got throwen slashes braclet at the concert down south, lucky fuker

[justsomeguy]

Yup he's weird - but then he was a millionaire star when he was just a kid - and lived in his own little world - literally.I don't want to believe that he did do those things - cos he's done a lot of good things.

[zadok]

I'm another that's undecided. I suspect he might get off it.
As for being broke, I've heard that reported. I also heard a news report that during the trial he has tailors come to his house at 3am every morning to start making his new outfit for the day!
He's been great for the music industry, but that's about all.

[Lou Girardin]

He's demonstrated all the signs of a paedophile. The porn, gay and straight, the kiddie attractrants (his entire property), the "love" of children. If he isn't guilty he's producing a lot of smoke without fire.
At the very least, he has a personality disorder.
And I'm damned if I can think what good he's done. Made music?

[James Deuce]

Very easy for Musicians to be broke if they don't own the rights to their own songs.

It's why he bought the Beatles back catalogue when he had the chance, but the amount of money he used to have takes serious money to manage.

Musicians do not get paid after the fact from profits. They are paid an advance, which a great many musicians blow before they realise they needed that money to record the next album, pay for the current tour, and live on. Anything you then get from the record company after you blew your advance on children and ape diapers..... sorry Chicks and Booze (he's not fekking normal) is taken from your future royalty stash. It takes 20 years to build up a back catalogue that will pay the cost of living of an average Joe for an A list star. That is a recording act that manages to average a memorable No 1 hit every couple of years that keeps them in high rotation on current radio and TV shows, "classic" radio and video/DVD, and "Oldies" radio and video and DVD.

Legal fees, publishing fees, accountants fees, Neverland Ranch maintenance and logistics, private jets, alimony to two women - very easy for that kid-fu__ker....oops no "proof" of that, to be very, very broke. He was advanced 50 million for his last album. It lost money. He owes the record company 50 million plus what he lost.

[Biff]

IMHO, there's no way anybody here is in an educated position to state whether he's genuinly guilty or not, although we're all naturally going to draw conclusions from what we have heard and feel about such an immotive subject. But none of us have heard all of the evidence. I do however admit to flicking over to the E Channel in order to watch the trial re-enactments from time to time.

One thing is certain though - the guy is a fruit loop, damaged from decades of isolation from the real world and from being a child star, and the mother of Gavin is a dodgy, twisted woman.

My verdict - I hope that justice prevails.

I saw him perform in concert years ago in the old national stadim in Cardiff. Just brilliant. What a showman.

[Deano]

He wouldnt come unless they built a ramp for the disabled into the stadium, and gave them all free tickets as well as ppl who were bringing them in, in my mind i just cant see how a same persen can do both acts :no:


Not too dissimilar to the holier than thou, God fearing priests supposedly doing the Lord's work - only some of them had an alterior motive.

Guilty or not, you think the guy would have learned from the first accusations and decided it was a bad idea having young kids 'sleep over'......or can he not resist doing it - another symptom of a paedophile.

Either way, he's a freak.

[Sniper]

His problem, not mine. I do love Michael Jackson Jokes though.

What was the hit burger of the 80's?
The McJackson, 33yr old meat in 8yr old buns

[Indiana_Jones]

Only song I ever liked by him was thriller.

The best bit of the whole song is the Vincent Price part :D

Darkness falls across the land
The midnite hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'awl's neighborhood
And whosoever shall be found
Without the soul for getting down
Must stand and face the hounds of hell
And rot inside a corpse's shell
The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom
And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller
(Into maniacal laugh, in deep echo)

-Indy

[The Tazman]

I have to say I agree with Waylander and Biff both covered my thoughts.

Yes he is weird but there are lots of weird people out there, it's just he is in the lime light!! It is also your own perseption of weird as what person thinks is the other dosen't!!!!

I hope that he is not guilty.

I still listen to his music

[Coyote]

Money should prevail over justice in the end

[Matt Bleck]

Maybe they should put Bubbles the monkey in the stand, then the truth would come out!! :wait:

[250learna]

Money should prevail over justice in the end

M J's Lawyer is bloody awsome...atleast is in the E remakes, was realy surprised when i herd him. No wonder they make huge $$$

[mikey]

just cause he is fucked in the head doesnt mean he dont make good music,

einstein was fucked i nthe head an he made some good shit,

most people who make good shit are fucked in some way.


send him to pitcairn islnad an let the locals give him a good rogering i say.

sick bastard.

[Hitcher]

Michael's crime is being seriously weird. And hanging out with people who are just as weird as he is. No wonder he gets bad advice and little help.

[Skyryder]

Anyone who dangles their child over a balcony and does not understand the danger doing this, is in my view, a danger to their own child. That MJ hangs out with children and goes to some length in isolating them from the parent/guardian and takes them into his bedroom, for whatever reason is a danger to himself
The guy is clearly in denial of society's conventions and sees himself as an innocent. That the boys mother is a bit loopy does not in my opinion exonerate MJ from his actions. Culkan has testified that he was not indecently assaulted by Jackson but Phillip LeMarque, Jacksons cook for about 10 months in 1991, has testified to the contrary. So it's anybodys guess as to the outcome of the trial.

I think he is guilty as shit. But having said that if found guilty I doubt if he will ever see and inside of a jail. He will just keep apealing.

One of the best links to the case. For those with the time and inclanation
http://www.courttv.com/trials/jackson/

Never have liked his musac.

Skyryder

[Motoracer]

just cause he is fucked in the head doesnt mean he dont make good music,

einstein was fucked i nthe head an he made some good shit,

most people who make good shit are fucked in some way.


send him to pitcairn islnad an let the locals give him a good rogering i say.

sick bastard.

What are you really good at making? (J/ks bro...)

[mikey]

What are you really good at making? (J/ks bro...)

making my gsxr600 do cartwheels when im racing at manfield last weekend....

would be a bit wank to go on about what im good at casue for starters its a bit wank to skyte, an second not many will believe it, not that im not a wank an dont skyte or care...

[Biff]

Culkan has testified that he was not indecently assaulted by Jackson but Phillip LeMarque, Jacksons cook for about 10 months in 1991, has testified to the contrary.

From the evidence I heard on the E channel Culkan stated that Jackson never assaulted him while he (Caulken) was awake, and the cook stated that Jackson had assaulted Caulken while he was sleeping.

[Motoracer]

making my gsxr600 do cartwheels when im racing at manfield last weekend....

would be a bit wank to go on about what im good at casue for starters its a bit wank to skyte, an second not many will believe it, not that im not a wank an dont skyte or care...

Ha ha ha, that was only an average show. You should have seen my first ever race where I did a high side in the wet at about 160, hit the deck with head first and the whole bike slid for way longer with sparks flying everywhere.

Oh yea, don't forget to come say hi at the pits next time for round 3 if you are comming up to watch that!!!

Sweet as, dude. As they say these days, that was a PT. :)

[mikey]

wil do. i aint coming up if there isnt going to be anymore crashes though, so watch out for the guy with a mullet/mop walking aroudn the track at lunch with a diesel can....

[crazylittleshit]

Not too dissimilar to the holier than thou, God fearing priests supposedly doing the Lord's work - only some of them had an alterior motive.

Guilty or not, you think the guy would have learned from the first accusations and decided it was a bad idea having young kids 'sleep over'......or can he not resist doing it - another symptom of a paedophile.

Either way, he's a freak.
Look at good old Micheal He didn't learn the first time???????????????? :rofl:
there just not bright.

[Colapop]

Isn't it just a case of monkey see monkey do? If he hasn't seen anything but weirdness (given the indulgences he's been allowed to have) then his view of the world is gonna be slanted. Or is holding a baby (he's bred!!!) out a third floor window/balcony normal? But then who''s to judge what's normal? If we (generalised) all think he's weird then does that make him?
It's sad he's got a f**ked up view of everything around him.... jesus what are his kids gonna be like?

[marty]

so anyway, i've been on the moon for the last 6 months......

[ducatilover]

but if he gets thrown in prison his arse will be stretched even wider. if that is possible. the elephants will 'finger him' :devil2: and he will be very happy. unless they put him in with females.

[nicmotors]

Well I'm not going to vote. as there is no option for: Not enough facts to generate an opinion...

What I'm trying to sat is that as general Joe public, how can anyone make a sound and well based opinion, when all we have seen is the media? Or how much/ little does one need to be satisfied with making a voiced opinion?

Remember this is a persons reputation we are talking about here, every damaging word cannot be un-said, and really must be thought about a lot before spraying your opinion. No matter how excentric someone might be.

But on that as i said above i have chosen not to vote for the poll.

All we can do as citizens is pray that the "justice" system in the States has looked at all elements of the case, and come to the approate remedy.

I do think that the guy is certianly a very disturbed chap.

Or a musical genius. Ever heard the phrase: There is a very fine between genius and insanity...

Something to ponder...

[Indiana_Jones]

man, MJ would never touch the kiddie.......mmmmhhmhmhhmhmhm :D

-Indy

[scooterboynz]

am not sure about this one ,,, but on a different note was a documentry on discovery channel about the OJ simpson case ,, very interesting ,,, still inconclusive though