what to buy

[nsrpaul]

have been looking at new bikes for a while now and myself and a few others I know have all run into simlar probs findin what we want, has to meet the following
-don;t want a hyper missile 70hp would be heaps , enough so its still ok with her indoors on the back
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension
the nsr I have is awsome but no good 2 up and a bit unrelaible and thirsty to tour

[WINJA]

have been looking at new bikes for a while now and myself and a few others I know have all run into simlar probs findin what we want, has to meet the following
-don;t want a hyper missile 70hp would be heaps , enough so its still ok with her indoors on the back
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension
the nsr I have is awsome but no good 2 up and a bit unrelaible and thirsty to tour
I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD A GSXR

[nsrpaul]

yes already have a gsxr , but don't have much use for a hyper missile
like the looks , brakes , handling package tho

[Sensei]

Don't forget ya don't speed either !!! :rofl:

[justsomeguy]

Sounds like my next bike - well the criteria atleast.

Is the SV650 really so bad?? I've never riden one.......

Is it possible to repair/make up for the deficiencies.......

How much would it cost to repair??

Cos I was thinking of an SV650 in 10 months -- but seem to keep picking a ZXR400 as my next bike -- the fact that the ZXR will be half as expensive as an SV is another thing == agree the SV looks bland

You need the full fairing - then it looks much better.

http://wwwsvc01.ninja.ev1.bikepics.net/pics/suzuki-sv650s-04-bikepics-189946.jpg
http://wwwsvc01.ninja.ev1.bikepics.net/pics/suzuki-sv650s-04-bikepics-199101.jpg

[nsrpaul]

Don't forget ya don't speed either !!! :rofl:

thats why I have no need for a missile , are you a bit slow or was that a crap atempt at sarcasim

[justsomeguy]

One of the BRONZ instructors owns a 2002 SV650 - older shape - he has a standard bike and says that he has no problems keeping up with riders on any roads......

But I've read about the suspension and brakes issue before - Zapf who owned a late 2004 model said that apart from the susp and brks the bike was also rather top heavy - is that the case??

Details please - :yes:

[nsrpaul]

sv was close , motor rocks but soggy suspension , sad brakes , guess could upgrade those items but not cheaply

[WINJA]

yes already have a gsxr , but don't have much use for a hyper missile
like the looks , brakes , handling package tho
I THINK I SMELL BULLSHIT, WITH YOUR SELF CONTROL YOU COULD KEEP THE MISSLE AND GO SLOW

[Skyryder]

have been looking at new bikes for a while now and myself and a few others I know have all run into simlar probs findin what we want, has to meet the following
-don;t want a hyper missile 70hp would be heaps , enough so its still ok with her indoors on the back
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension
the nsr I have is awsome but no good 2 up and a bit unrelaible and thirsty to tour

What about pedal power.

Skyyryder

[Teflon]

have been looking at new bikes for a while now and myself and a few others I know have all run into simlar probs findin what we want, has to meet the following
-don;t want a hyper missile 70hp would be heaps , enough so its still ok with her indoors on the back
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension
the nsr I have is awsome but no good 2 up and a bit unrelaible and thirsty to tour

Why don't you put a single in your NSR?.

[nsrpaul]

What about pedal power.

Skyyryder

have pedal power asa well , mountain bikes rock

[nsrpaul]

Why don't you put a single in your NSR?.

have seriusly considerd it but don't have the time for a special and have heard horror stories bout the afect of the vibes on the frame as i do a lot of ks

[nsrpaul]

I THINK I SMELL BULLSHIT, WITH YOUR SELF CONTROL YOU COULD KEEP THE MISSLE AND GO SLOW

have been doin that on the gsxr for the last 12 months but thank you winja , your comments are helpfull and intelegent as always

[justsomeguy]

Can you fuckers stop the bullshit and answer his original question so newbies like me can learn something.............:mad:

[WINJA]

Can you fuckers stop the bullshit and answer his original question so newbies like me can learn something.............:mad:
I THINK NSRPAUL IS FULLOSHIT ,WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LEARN FROM HIM

[nsrpaul]

I THINK NSRPAUL IS FULLOSHIT ,WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LEARN FROM HIM
did your mother not love you as a child

[justsomeguy]

I THINK NSRPAUL IS FULLOSHIT ,WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LEARN FROM HIM

Don't really give a rats left nut for him (sorry mate you don't seem like a hot chick)

I just want to see what you KB'ers feel will be a:

-70hp would be heaps ,
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension

Now one option would be to fill the SV forks with heavier oil - I've heard that the shocks(rear) are fine.... and how expensive will a brake upgrade be??

The next option is finding a decent zxr400....
.... can't be bothered with a little CBR400 ........ and can't be bothered working on a VFR for maintenance.

[justsomeguy]

did your mother not love you as a child

Test tube baby born in an orphanage.:devil2:

[justsomeguy]

hey guys they are showing Ronin at 11:30 today - on channel 2 - the best ever car action (most realistic) - according to me.

Good action/thriller

[Sensei]

How about a XT 660 Motard Look great & would be alot of fun to . Only slow on a Bike :whistle:

[WINJA]

[QUOTE=justsomeguy]Don't really give a rats left nut for him (sorry mate you don't seem like a hot chick)

I just want to see what you KB'ers feel will be a:

-70hp would be heaps ,
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
THE ABOVE WOULD BE A 1996 ZX6R OR 2001 FIREBLADE

[johnsf1980]

Buy a cruiser!!

[nsrpaul]

How about a XT 660 Motard Look great & would be alot of fun to . Only slow on a Bike :whistle:
motards are cool , a ktm has had tempoary residence in my stable recently ,but crap 2 up or over distance , I have to many impractable bikes as it is

[nsrpaul]

Buy a cruiser!!

not that old yet!!!!

[WINJA]

Buy a cruiser!!
I WOULD LIKE A VMAX V BOOST MODEL

[justsomeguy]

THE ABOVE WOULD BE A 1996 ZX6R OR 2001 FIREBLADE

Ah-ha!!! Now we're making progress.:yes:

Cool more stuff to dream about.

A 96 zx-6r...... cool


But isn;t a blade a 1 litre bike??


http://wwwsvc01.ninja.ev1.bikepics.net/pics/kawasaki-zx6r-96-bikepics-183756.jpg

[johnsf1980]

not that old yet!!!!

:Oi: I own a cruiser.... are you saying us cruiser riders are old??

[nsrpaul]

:Oi: I own a cruiser.... are you saying us cruiser riders are old??
calm down , lets just say I wouldn't buy a cruser till I got old and get to sore ridin sumthin with clip ons

[justsomeguy]

But a ninja has more than 100hp and a blade beats that......

So looks like we are back to a SV650 with heavier fork oil............:no:

[justsomeguy]

OK, I'm off now to see my movie and get some dinner.

You ladies behave yourself.

See you'll tomorrow.

Ciao.:motu:

[WINJA]

Ah-ha!!! Now we're making progress.:yes:

Cool more stuff to dream about.

A 96 zx-6r...... cool


But isn;t a blade a 1 litre bike??


http://wwwsvc01.ninja.ev1.bikepics.net/pics/kawasaki-zx6r-96-bikepics-183756.jpg
YEAH BUT ITS A SHIT 1 LITRE THE 01 BLADE IS SLOWER THAN AN 01 GSXR750.
IF YOU WANT A FUCKEN REAL HOT UP GRADE FROM A ZZR250 GET A GSXR750 T OR V MODEL THATS 96 AND 97 . CHEAP FAST GOOD HANDLING EASY TO MAINTAIN AND CAN USE OLD RACE RUBBER AND ITS MORE BIKE THAN 99% OF THE POPULATION ARE RIDERS. THE V IS SLIGHTLY BETTER CAUSE THE LUBRICATION IS UPGRADED

[Sensei]

Yea good call Winja

[WINJA]

But a ninja has more than 100hp and a blade beats that......

So looks like we are back to a SV650 with heavier fork oil............:no:
98 AND 99 BLADES WERE STRUGLING TO KEEP UP WITH 98 AND 99 GSXR600. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE SADLY I BOUGHT ONE OF THE FIRST 98 BLADES IN THE COUNTRY THE ONLY GOOD BLADE WAS THE FIRST ONE BUT EVEN THEN A ZX10 WOULD EAT IT IN A STRAIGHT LINE AND CATCH IN THE CORNERS WITH A RIDER WHO COULD BULLY THE BIKE

[justsomeguy]

movies running late......


uhhmmm...... 70hp or less.

I want to be able to go up step by step not just upgrade to what Death is currently riding cos I ain't yet as good as Death.

I'm pretty sure in 10 months I will be able to thrash the shit out of my ZZR250...so want a decent step up -- a 120+hp 750 will be a bit of a too big step up from a 38hp twin........ don't you think??

That's why I was thinking ZXR400.

I'll be mostly doing weekend riding - Scenic drive type roads and as many trackdays as I can afford.

[WINJA]

movies running late......


uhhmmm...... 70hp or less.

I want to be able to go up step by step not just upgrade to what Death is currently riding cos I ain't yet as good as Death.

I'm pretty sure in 10 months I will be able to thrash the shit out of my ZZR250...so want a decent step up -- a 120+hp 750 will be a bit of a too big step up from a 38hp twin........ don't you think??

That's why I was thinking ZXR400.

I'll be mostly doing weekend riding - Scenic drive type roads and as many trackdays as I can afford.
96 AND 97 750 WERE CARBURATED AND HAVE A SOFTISH POWER DELIVERY , DONT THINK OF YOUR BIKE WITH 120 HP THINK OF IT AS 120HP MATCHED TO A GOOD CHASIS , DONT BE A PUSSY THE RIGHT HAND CONTROLS THE POWER

[RON SOAK]

getta TRX 850 - the jappa ducati - not to bad for a slowish bike

[guzzi_nz]

Don't really give a rats left nut for him (sorry mate you don't seem like a hot chick)

I just want to see what you KB'ers feel will be a:

-70hp would be heaps ,
-must look cool
-racer type riding position ( I like uncomfortable bikes)
-japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension
-must be relatively new , undert 15000ks ,no 15 yr old 400s with a million ks and 10 owners
sv 650 came close but bland looks and crap brakes and suspension

Now one option would be to fill the SV forks with heavier oil - I've heard that the shocks(rear) are fine.... and how expensive will a brake upgrade be??

The next option is finding a decent zxr400....
.... can't be bothered with a little CBR400 ........ and can't be bothered working on a VFR for maintenance.

my setf i would be looking at a guzzi sport
80 hp
good for 80-100000 km before rings
bembo brakes
oolins shocks

[gav]

OK, what sort of money did you have in mind? How about a RVF400? Or a CBR600RR, yeah bit more than 70hp, but 2 up, 100hp is handy, you dont need to use all of it, but nice when going up hill, 2 up and want to pull out and pass. Or take two plug leads off your GSXR1000? :whistle:

[justsomeguy]

How bout the TRX 850 as RON SOAK suggested??

80hp - but 80+nm ??

Seems to have decent reviews - http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccolin/trx.html and it costs around 6-8k sticker price at dealerships. And if you don't look too hard people might think it's a ducati.:yes:

http://www.m-factory.co.jp/trx850.JPG
http://www.planetklatt.de/pix/trx850-2.jpg

[Two Smoker]

There is only a few bikes that fit that catagory... superstock 400 or a SV650...

You can get late model ZXR400's (i have a 98, they stopped making them in 99 i think) or a RVF400 which is only 10 years and younger.. Problem with these bikes is on the open road they arent that great for two up riding, by yourself you dont really need anymore HP than that...

SV650 is much better, huge amounts of torque which is great for 2 up riding... easily fixed suspension, fork oil and WP rear shock (to keep the cost down) or you can whack on a GSX-R front end (pick one up from the US for about $800-$1000)

Personally i would go for the SV650 for your onroad riding style that you talk about...

[FROSTY]

Dude I own/race an03 (02 model) SV650. What I'd suggest is buy a SV second hand. Buy a gsxr600 rear shock and then take the bike to Hawera Motorcycles and get the suspension sorted.
Total additional cost will be $600.00
Brakes wize---holey shit matey Im running a racetech front and at the end of the back straight at pukie it regularly flies the back wheel so definitely no lack of brakes.
I'm running SBS pads atm
I did notice the brakes seemed to get better and better the more the suspension improved.
One other thing Ive done--keep in mind its for racing-I removed all the padding from the seat -it lowers the Gof G and made it easier to move around on the bike. You dont want to go to that extereme but the seat is ablout 6 inches thick.

[justsomeguy]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/nav?page=motorcyclenews.countDownload&resource=2251999&linkURL=/pdf/225/124270.pdf

Largish pdf file:

Models in this test



SUZUKI GSX600F



SUZUKI SV650S



SUZUKI GSX-R600



SUZUKI GSF600 Bandit



SUZUKI GSF600S Bandit



SUZUKI SV650



HONDA CBR600F



HONDA CB600FS Hornet



HONDA CB600F Hornet



TRIUMPH TT600



YAMAHA FZS600 Fazer



YAMAHA R6 (YZF-R6)



YAMAHA YZF600 Thundercat

[Mooch]

We all know you really want a Ducati !.
These are on my "second bike" list short list and have good pillion seats to share two up.

New Triumph ST , Ok high powered but getting rave reviews .
Honda VFR800 , The old sport tourer benchmark bike
BMW F650 GS ,For the odd bit of light off road , has enough power, and can carry pently of luggage.
BMW 1100s For some strange reason I like the styling.

[LB]

japanese reliabilty( no ducatis )
-sportsbike brakes and suspension

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No point me putting in my 0.02 then eh!!
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Seriously though, I wouldn't discount the SV650.

And like RON SOAK says, the TRX850 is a very underrated bike, well worth a squizz.

Have a nosey at BikeMart or Motorcycle Trader and News, to give yourself some ideas (or bikepoint.co.nz - it's 2005 Lynda, get with the programme!!)
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[justsomeguy]

I just can't get over this pic...

To me this looks like "a good honest bike" that I may seriously think of owning as my 3rd bike.

(As opposed to Ducatis and Agustas, which are to me simply dream bikes that I don't think I'd like to own- just look at)

[magnum]

with the way bikes price depreciate i would go straight to a med size bike,mid late 600 or the trx850s r very good for the $$$ :yes: