Super Tenere 1200 [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Big Dave

8th July 2010, 18:41

Yum. Did 150km on it this afternoon. Think it's very, very good. It even has a warning light to tell you it's wheelstanding :devil2:

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blackdog

8th July 2010, 19:00

jealous much?

NZsarge

8th July 2010, 19:15

Nice, hurry up with the video..... Please.:D

Big Dave

8th July 2010, 19:20

Nice, hurry up with the video..... Please.:D

It's just a walk around the bike and a dribble on. :-)

GPS MAN

8th July 2010, 19:24

I really like that bike.....:headbang:

Life is not fare.....:angry:

Crasherfromwayback

8th July 2010, 19:43

Why the fuck anyone would buy a new BMW big adventure bike now is beyond me. Oh that's right....it has the badge.

dino3310

8th July 2010, 19:44

Looks bloody huge, do ya have to be 6'4 to be comfy or can the shorter bloke be happy.
Bet she sounds grouse

tri boy

8th July 2010, 19:44

Was it big fulla friendly Dave?

Big Dave

8th July 2010, 19:58

I was as comfortable as a comfortable thing on national cushion day.

Great handling and braking, good power without being 'sick'.

Lovely front end, nice on the dirt. Spools up rully nice. Liked the instruments and dash.

Ground clearance isn't huge - not poor - not sprotsbike.

Quite a lump to manhandle with feet down - not many 1200s that aren't.

Sounds very nice.

Overall. Yep. Fan boi.

Shadowjack

8th July 2010, 21:14

I was as comfortable as a comfortable thing on national cushion day.
That's some endorsement, and very encouraging to read.
The local Yamaha dealer is having a launch-with-demo-bike on Saturday.
My name will go on the test-ride list. Oh, yes...

young1

8th July 2010, 21:23

Why the fuck anyone would buy a new BMW big adventure bike now is beyond me. Oh that's right....it has the badge.

That question has been beyond me ever since the KTM 950/990 ADV came out, ha ha

I do like the look of the Yamaha, I wonder if the local dealer here is going to get on in, I would like to have a close look at it.

Anyone know what the price is going to be?

Shadowjack

8th July 2010, 21:26

Anyone know what the price is going to be?
According to the brochure I received, $24,999.

Crim

8th July 2010, 22:25

That's some endorsement, and very encouraging to read.
The local Yamaha dealer is having a launch-with-demo-bike on Saturday.
My name will go on the test-ride list. Oh, yes...

Is that down at Trevor Pierce? what time?

Shadowjack

8th July 2010, 22:42

Is that down at Trevor Pierce? what time?

Yes, Trevor Pierce Yamaha: 10.00am - 2.00pm are their Sat hours, I think.

Big Dave

8th July 2010, 22:48

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/07/quick-flick-yamaha-super-tenere-1200.html

junkmanjoe

9th July 2010, 19:19

I like the look of this machine,,,

maybe not the best beast to tackle fishers track up hill.... but i nearly pooped my fu fu valve on the 9fidy last time..

but it looks trick dressed up for touring,
hows it like on gas, have you run a full tank. what sort of distance at road speed..

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/73/136831073_full.jpg

JMJ & 9FIDY

Big Dave

9th July 2010, 21:04

I only had an afternoon with it sorry - can only guess fuel - but it will be good I reckon - it looks like quite a big tank and Yama-san seems to have everything else in order.

junkmanjoe

9th July 2010, 21:37

are you on the MMMMM ride.

jafar

9th July 2010, 21:41

Your not helping my budget dave:weep:

Big Dave

14th July 2010, 21:34

Sorry - missed that - what is the MMMMM ride?

dino3310

14th July 2010, 21:39

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121567-Minginui-Matawai-Motu-Midwinter-Madness-Ride-30-July-1-August-2010

junkmanjoe

14th July 2010, 21:40

Sorry - missed that - what is the MMMMM ride?

Its only the biggest most excellent east north island ride ever...and i feel you should come along on your new machine...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121567-Minginui-Matawai-Motu-Midwinter-Madness-Ride-30-July-1-August-2010

have a read up.. 3 weeks out
last time it snowed and the locals came out to see what the fuss wazz about..
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/Sm5yMK0dpiI/AAAAAAAADqk/8Pra-sWFVDM/s912/IMG_0186.JPG

JMJ

Devil

15th July 2010, 08:15

You may have guessed it Big Dave, but:
Looks wise, BMW (GSA) for me.
Weight wise, GSA again (yam is about 6KG heavier wet - 261kg - but see next point)
Fuel Tank, GSA by a mile. 36L vs 22L of the tenere? (taken from here http://www.gizmag.com/yamaha-super-tenere-xt1200z-specifications/14310/)
So the wet weight quoted is still with a third less gas on board than the bmw. So the true difference is significant.
Ground clearance - GSA.
Price - Bound to be the Yam. But the above points are why i'd pick the beemer.

Looks like a better competitor to the standard GS, but at 30kg+ heavier...

Night Falcon

15th July 2010, 09:10

Most biggy adventurers are comparable when you are looking at soft terrain capabilities except for the KTM offerrings which still stand apart from the crowd..end of story!

george formby

15th July 2010, 10:41

A member of the TDM forum has just bought one & likens the power to that of a turbo charged TDM 900 & the handling as considerably lighter. A very impressed individual & with high praise for the bike.

Taz

15th July 2010, 10:49

I'm with night falcon on this. KTM have a whole market segment to themselves and then BMW, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki make these big heavy road bikes and try to pass them off as adventure steeds.

Taz

15th July 2010, 10:50

Sorry - missed that - what is the MMMMM ride?

You might not like it. No 5 star hotel at the end of the day :lol:

george formby

15th July 2010, 11:14

I'm with night falcon on this. KTM have a whole market segment to themselves and then BMW, Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki make these big heavy road bikes and try to pass them off as adventure steeds.

I believe BMW have been making big heavy adventure steeds since they invented sand, based on a national disposition to ignore borders. The size of the bikes is necessary to carry the weight of your average German adventurer, their camera gear & little dumpling frau on the back.
KTM made it interesting for the rest of the world.:shutup:

Shadowjack

15th July 2010, 11:46

I believe BMW have been making big heavy adventure steeds since they invented sand, based on a national disposition to ignore borders. The size of the bikes is necessary to carry the weight of your average German adventurer, their camera gear & little dumpling frau on the back.
KTM made it interesting for the rest of the world.:shutup:

Very droll!! -
Anyway, had a look at the Super10 last weekend - didn't test ride it (not really healthy enough), but did have a seat on it with the seat in the "normal" position, which was comfortable enough. Would like to try it in the "high" position, which I reckon would be a beautiful, beautiful thing...for someone like myself, and the type of riding I do, the S10 seems like a natural extension of the TDM8fiddy. And in my case, the weight of the bike would be in correct proportion to the rider.

clint640

15th July 2010, 14:35

Sorry - missed that - what is the MMMMM ride?

You might not like it. No 5 star hotel at the end of the day :lol:

I seem to remember Dave making noises about coming on the Midwinter Madness ride a year or 2 back but then woosing out. It's never too late to HTFU :bleh:

Be a good angle for the S10 test report: 'I took the S10 out on the midwinter madness ride & got roosted by a bunch of yobbos on KTMs' :bleh:

Cheers
Clint

Big Dave

15th July 2010, 20:30

You may have guessed it Big Dave, but:

I think the BMW is a better all round package too. And has an advantage in the heavier flywheel/clutch which makes it more tractable at low/feet down/culvert speed.

The Tenere is +/- 25% cheaper that an Anniversary GS.
It would depend on your bank balance as to whether it's that much better.

Big Dave

15th July 2010, 20:44

Most biggy adventurers are comparable when you are looking at soft terrain capabilities except for the KTM offerrings which still stand apart from the crowd..end of story!

Some of the story.

The KTM is less comfortable and harsher on the road for rider and pillion. The advantages it has as an off roader, it pays for as a grand tourer.

Big Dave

15th July 2010, 20:50

Meh.

If it's to test a vehicle I am Pre-stressed-concrete-TFU

If it's to burn petrol I'll see you in the spring pillow.

Big Dave

15th July 2010, 20:57

I would happily do a CCA on the Tenere on TKCs.

In fact to ride to Welly and back to do the ADV bit it would be one of my preferred choices.

_Shrek_

17th July 2010, 23:15

the KTM offerrings which still stand apart from the crowd..end of story!

thats coz they look like road marker cones :whistle:

will test ride the supa ten on monday, but my Gs still rocks :Punk:

Oscar

19th July 2010, 13:39

I would happily do a CCA on the Tenere on TKCs.

In fact to ride to Welly and back to do the ADV bit it would be one of my preferred choices.

That's a big call.
Based on my last two outings at the CCA on a 950 with TKC's I wouldn't do it.
I've sworn off big mutha's on single track.
Trying to keep Cam's stinking 950 in one piece on the challenge section was the hardest bit of riding I've done in years.

_Shrek_

20th July 2010, 12:17

took the supa ten out for a :ride: out to the peninsula yesterday cheers :apint: MCR
even though it's heavier than the Gs it didn't feel that way for a big bike it was light on it's feet, through the twisties pegs touch down & it felt stable with no sign of letting go, on my back took a dirt road to another bay & found it pure joy on the metal, even with ABS it handled better than expected I tryed to get it to switch off on the loose but it seems to read that you need it to stay on (latest tec i'm told) any way, wound up to 180 PDQ then run out off road, those little back Bay roads are narrow & not very long & not a lot of metal left in places
standing is comfortable & you can see your front wheel & control is lighter than the Gs (bugga) all in all a bike you can do big ks on & off road & not get sick of it or tired of riding it
It left me with a big :D with the thought when it's time for a new bike.... "Mrs Shrek"

Big Dave

20th July 2010, 15:07

That's a big call.
Based on my last two outings at the CCA on a 950 with TKC's I wouldn't do it.
I've sworn off big mutha's on single track.
Trying to keep Cam's stinking 950 in one piece on the challenge section was the hardest bit of riding I've done in years.

I did the second one on a Tiger 955i and me and Campbell made quite a sight bulldogging it and his V-strom down one of the gullies, but apart from that it was a bit of a doddle really. Devils gate was OK too. We didn't do the real hard loops. Not the right bike - it was the right bike for the 750km rides to and from the event.

The Tenere would be comparable.

Oscar

20th July 2010, 16:17

I did the second one on a Tiger 955i and me and Campbell made quite a sight bulldogging it and his V-strom down one of the gullies, but apart from that it was a bit of a doddle really. Devils gate was OK too. We didn't do the real hard loops. Not the right bike - it was the right bike for the 750km rides to and from the event.

The Tenere would be comparable.

Ah, I thought you meant the hard stuff.
I swore off tight trails on Big Muthas after the FNAR, where I arsed off several times and sprung a rib cartilage.

At the CCA, I swapped the 690 for Cam's 950, only to find the slack shit had no route sheet on his bike. So, not recognising where he was going, I followed him into the hard stuff. Now I didn't drop his bike, I gave it a damn good try - I did run out of back brake at one stage and almost launched it over a bank toward the end.

Don't get me wrong, big bikes are a lot of fun in the tight stuff, but the consequences of getting it wrong are financially and physically excruciating...

Big Dave

20th July 2010, 16:24

Yea - but you know how it works - the best bikes for the hard core bits are taken there on a trailer.

The opposite works with the best ones for the touring part are the least suitable for the challenge loopage.

Comes back to my enthusiastic thumbs up for the tenere is that's a real good NZ multi-purpose bike.

I'm trying to get another fang and will head yo way if successful.

Crisis management

20th July 2010, 16:38

Comes back to my enthusiastic thumbs up for the tenere is that's a real good NZ multi-purpose bike.

I agree with your comments about the Tenere as a good "getting there" bike BD but having gone from a 990 to a 640 I think the middleweights have the best all round package for NZ. I've found the middleweights to be equally capable of getting from A to B (I will concede the 640 is not the best on-seal bike) and still capable of poking around the off-road bits we stumble upon, those big adventure bikes are more all road capable than all terrain capable.
I somehow (to my horror) suspect the 800GS is the best compromise there is.

Big Dave

20th July 2010, 17:39

I agree with your comments about the Tenere as a good "getting there" bike BD but having gone from a 990 to a 640 I think the middleweights have the best all round package for NZ..

Yes too - but then I regularly carry a passenger and the heavyweights do that much better.

Oscar

20th July 2010, 17:41

tri boy

20th July 2010, 17:45

I'm waiting to see the baby tiger before making any stupid/rash decisions on another road/adv tourer.
Scrambler stays though.:yes:

Crisis management

20th July 2010, 20:01

Yes too - but then I regularly carry a passenger and the heavyweights do that much better.

I have to agree, my bike's definately a one person and minimal luggage ride.

Taz

20th July 2010, 21:15

I have to agree, my bike's definately a one person and minimal luggage ride.

So's my KTM.

Eddieb

8th August 2010, 17:57

Edog200 in Aus has just had a new S10 for a weekends ride review. Here's the lead in to their review.

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NZsarge

8th August 2010, 19:48

Edog200 in Aus has just had a new S10 for a weekends ride review. Here's the lead in to their review.

So far so good eh. I'm guessing it's not the best bike in it's class but it's good enough to consider serious consideration when in the market for this kind of bike.

Eddieb

8th August 2010, 20:12

He comments elsewhere in the thread,

I've had the bike for half a day, and I'm tempted.

circuit1

9th August 2010, 23:11

Crim

9th August 2010, 23:19

I rode one today only did 20 odd k's on it, but I got of with a smile on my dial.
Rode the BMW got of it and was like "what ever"
Going to ride the KTM tomorrow and we'll see what happens from there.
My $0.02c

Patiently awaiting more info :confused: - what beemer did you take for a spin GS or GSA, tell us what KTM you take out and what you reckon about all their onroad / offroad :yes:

_Shrek_

10th August 2010, 09:00

I rode one today only did 20 odd k's on it, but I got of with a smile on my dial.
Rode the BMW got of it and was like "what ever"
Going to ride the KTM tomorrow and we'll see what happens from there.
My $0.02c

was that 20k's on seal or dirt?
have you riden a Gs off & on road all day?

I own a 02 1150Gs it's a great 2 up bike with all the gear seal/gravel or put knobblys on & head into the hills (off road no tracks) it's reliable

your 02c is about that, put some real K's on then comment, cheers :apint:

how ever I have test ridden the surper ten seal & gravel & took Mrs S to see it yesterday
it will most likely be our next bike when we have the $$$ till then....
Gs :Punk:

have done a bit of investegating on the 1200Gs re computers etc... this is what came up

Super Tenere 1200 vs BMW 1200Gs/Gsa

Tenere has only 1 computer & if it craps out, & you in the back country it reverts back to a standard bike :clap:

BMW has 3 computers & if they craps out, in the back country you in deep shit :crybaby: (not what I wanted to hear)

ps welcome to KB

circuit1

10th August 2010, 13:29

was that 20k's on seal or dirt?
have you riden a Gs off & on road all day?

I own a 02 1150Gs it's a great 2 up bike with all the gear seal/gravel or put knobblys on & head into the hills (off road no tracks) it's reliable

your 02c is about that, put some real K's on then comment, cheers :apint:

how ever I have test ridden the surper ten seal & gravel & took Mrs S to see it yesterday
it will most likely be our next bike when we have the $$$ till then....
Gs :Punk:

have done a bit of investegating on the 1200Gs re computers etc... this is what came up

Super Tenere 1200 vs BMW 1200Gs/Gsa

Tenere has only 1 computer & if it craps out, & you in the back country it reverts back to a standard bike :clap:

BMW has 3 computers & if they craps out, in the back country you in deep shit :crybaby: (not what I wanted to hear)

ps welcome to KB

I apoligise for making comment, I will refrain from doing so in the future, Silly me for thinking I had the right to an opinion:innocent:
Howevver I will always buy the bike I enjoy riding the most as opposed to the one that makes the most sence on paper or too others.
I am only new to this adventure riding caper but not to bikes, to me a bike has to be fun otherwise you might as well take the car, and I really enoyed the Super 10, but not the BMW is all I am saying.
If you enjoy your BMW many congrats, Seeing as you payed for it you have thatt right.
Looking forward to riding the KTM 990Adventure. Hell I might even look under the couch for another $0.02c and give an opinion.:shit:

_Shrek_

10th August 2010, 15:11

I apoligise for making comment, I will refrain from doing so in the future, Silly me for thinking I had the right to an opinion:innocent:

you missed the point

Howevver I will always buy the bike I enjoy riding the most as opposed to the one that makes the most sence on paper or too others.

:niceone: & :Punk:

shafty

10th August 2010, 18:24

Isn't it great to have options, huh? I've always considered the later GS's too high, too expensive and too complicated (ie if a computer shits itself in the boondocks)

Many poeple love the BM, and good on them

Sat on a SuperTen last week and was impressed I could get feet on the ground quite easily
(I'm 5'11")

As I say, nice to have options........

circuit1

10th August 2010, 19:44

My brother was telling me of some poor soul on a GS that had the computer prolapse in the middle of nowhere. Poor fell was there till 11pm waiting for the road side assist people to come get him. Not to mention the $Ks is cost to fix
Thats the joy of all these newfangled gadgets, not that I would prefer a set of points.

Squiggles

11th August 2010, 21:47

circuit1

12th August 2010, 12:10

Gunnyrob? :shutup:

? please explain

Eddieb

12th August 2010, 12:28

? please explain

Gunnyrob is a NZ rider who owns a 1200GS. It's left him stranded numerous times including near the end of the 2009 MMMMM ride where he had a considerable wait from early afternoon to well into the evening for the AA recovery vehicle to turn up.

He wasn't able to attend this years MMMMM ride a few weeks ago due to a front master cylinder failure not long before the ride.

Oscar

12th August 2010, 14:03

Gunnyrob is a NZ rider who owns a 1200GS. It's left him stranded numerous times including near the end of the 2009 MMMMM ride where he had a considerable wait from early afternoon to well into the evening for the AA recovery vehicle to turn up.

He wasn't able to attend this years MMMMM ride a few weeks ago due to a front master cylinder failure not long before the ride.

We found out the hard way how reliable/well built the 1200GS is on a ride to Ohakuni a coupla years ago. Both of the brand new GS's we had stopped after a river crossing. We then discovered that:

Yer 30k BMW Adventure bike didn't come with a tool kit.
There is no easy way to access airbox or intake manifolds externally as they are press fitted.
KTM tools fit BMW's

Basically we had to turn them into the worlds most expensive compressors by emptying the drowned airbox thru the sparkplug hole whilst praying the battery held out.

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cold-Kiwi-Weekend/DSCN3959/370172852_gGRU5-M.jpg

Racing Dave

12th August 2010, 14:33

We found out the hard way how reliable/well built the 1200GS is on a ride to Ohakuni a coupla years ago. Both of the brand new GS's we had stopped after a river crossing.

Basically we had to turn them into the worlds most expensive compressors by emptying the drowned airbox thru the sparkplug hole whilst praying the battery held out.

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Cold-Kiwi-Weekend/DSCN3959/370172852_gGRU5-M.jpg

You appear to be confused - the reliability of the BMW isn't the issue, it's the idiot riding into the river without checking the depth. Likewise, it didn't occur to you to check your tooling requirements before venturing forth?

Hopefully you've learnt from this foolishness.

Oscar

12th August 2010, 14:37

You appear to be confused - the reliability of the BMW isn't the issue, it's the idiot riding into the river without checking the depth. Likewise, it didn't occur to you to check your tooling requirements before venturing forth?

Hopefully you've learnt from this foolishness.

No confusion here.
I wasn't riding it (the "idiot" riding it was a gentlemen almost certainly known to you as a contributor to the mag).
I just got to fix it (as I had checked my tools before leaving).

I was riding a KTM which went through the same stream without stopping.
If the BMW can't ford a river where the water is past the level of it's sparkplugs, it ain't much of an adv bike.
Notwithstanding that, waterproofing is certainly a reliability problem, long term.

Eddieb

12th August 2010, 18:35

More from edog200

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junkmanjoe

12th August 2010, 19:27

now mow that fukn lawn................

_Shrek_

12th August 2010, 20:52

More from edog200

I wish I wish I wish
:shifty: some body want to buy a very tidy 1150Gs only had 2 middle aged tar seal riders & 1 middle aged bald with a pot gut take it on the metal now & then :whistle:

now mow that fukn lawn................

I'll just shoot down the shop & get some gas :innocent:

Waihou Thumper

13th August 2010, 04:21

only had 2 middle aged tar seal riders & 1 middle aged bald with a pot gut take it on the metal now & then :whistle:

Hasn't been raced, rallied or rolled....:):innocent: Good luck..Those Teneres are nice machines aren't they...:yes: The more I see of the Video, especially the dirt bit and the handling, the more capable and comfortable it looks...Oh dear...:shit:

Night Falcon

13th August 2010, 11:02

[QUOTE] Eddieb;More from edog200 [QUOTE]

stupid lawns....who need em... no lawns = more riding.!!:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:

"D" FZ1

13th August 2010, 11:24

Looks bloody huge, do ya have to be 6'4 to be comfy or can the shorter bloke be happy.
Bet she sounds grouse

Sold my first one a few weeks ago. The owner is only about 5'9. No problem at all. He is loving it.

Box'a'bits

13th August 2010, 19:14

now mow that fukn lawn................
As my wife pointed out, the mistake he made there was being a bigamist. Appears the guy has two wives....:bye::whocares:
And why the hell didn't he put one of the wives on the back anyway......

_Shrek_

13th August 2010, 20:31

[I][COLOR=DarkOrange]Hasn't been raced, rallied or rolled....:):innocent:

:shutup: no never :blink:

Good luck..Those Teneres are nice machines aren't they...:yes:

aye test rode MCR's one a few weeks ago, got a tex from RM saying I have to bring it back... was only gone about 3hrs :whistle: & took mrs S in so she could sit on it & see how comfertable it was, I can have one just not this year :crybaby:

NZsarge

14th August 2010, 07:06

aye test rode MCR's one a few weeks ago, got a tex from RM saying I have to bring it back... was only gone about 3hrs :whistle: & took mrs S in so she could sit on it & see how comfertable it was, I can have one just not this year :crybaby:
So it's jacked up for a January delivery eh... Nice, at least you got the go ahead for some point in the future.

Eddieb

15th August 2010, 18:36

Waihou Thumper

15th August 2010, 19:10

Thread...Geez, just post the whole damn video, will ya Aussie...:angry:

Thanks Eddie...:innocent:

_Shrek_

16th August 2010, 08:43

Thread...Geez, just post the whole damn video, will ya Aussie...:angry:

Thanks Eddie...:innocent:

the reson they have short vids is the Ozzy has a realy short attention span :dodge:

+ cheers :apint: Eddie keep'm come'n

Big Dave

16th August 2010, 11:37

the reson they have short vids is the Ozzy has a realy short attention span :dodge:

That's just rubbish - we have no such......say, who's watching the Cricket tonight?

_Shrek_

16th August 2010, 12:35

That's just rubbish - we have no such......say, who's watching the Cricket tonight?

:laugh: cheers :apint:

Eddieb

23rd August 2010, 21:51

A new installment.

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Moki

23rd August 2010, 22:06

Managed to book a 1200 for this year's Burt followed by a couple weeks on the SI. Be interesting how it compares to the 1150GSA.

_Shrek_

23rd August 2010, 22:42

A new installment.

Eddie you will have to stop this, it's getting a bit much as I don't have the $$$ to get one yet :crybaby:

Eddieb

11th September 2010, 20:57

JMJ came down to the big smoke today and we went down to TSS to check out their new Super Tenere in the flesh.

It's big and wide. Not 1200gs tall I don't think, but probably 1200GSA wide.

I had a sit and it was comfy and everything seemed to be in the right place. Leaning it from side to side gave the impression the weight was very low, it certainly wasn't trying to pull me over onto it's side.

It would need a bashplate as the oil filter looked quite exposed and while it had some crash protection built in crash bars probably wouldn't go astray, I also wouldn't want to put too much weight on the rear plate, it's made of plastic and only mounted near the seat.

Otherwise it looked pretty good, the exhaust is huger than huge and the rear peg mounts are a bit agricultural but those are cosmetic things. It looks like it was well designed to cover huge miles on back country and gravel roads in comfort with a minimum of fuss.

junkmanjoe

11th September 2010, 21:07

that i did...and i was late...but thats ok...

the new bike looks nice and tidy, some areas need some attention if one was to adventure off road on it...

other wise be just fine as it is.. possably take a bit of gravel rash in the lower front , as eddie says very low oil filter and the CDI unit is next to it. with some protection from the plastic sump guard.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_r4RTcX8Awjo/TItFdWhAoYI/AAAAAAAAIVY/AowJhkVReAc/s912/IMG_0130.JPG
over all my thoughts are nice color, tight and tidy finish. demo model is due in store next few weeks....so might just wonder back down and go for a spin..

JMJ

yafeetup

12th September 2010, 20:27

What a whale at 261kg without any other gear on it and $25 grand apiece it may as well join the dinosaures as a fossil. Yea lets go adventure riding the titanic

junkmanjoe

12th September 2010, 21:18

well talking the the sales person..quite a few have been sold in NZ..

may not be your type of bike but will be what others are looking for.

dont knock it till ya tried it...

NZsarge

12th September 2010, 21:20

What a whale at 261kg without any other gear on it and $25 grand apiece it may as well join the dinosaures as a fossil. Yea lets go adventure riding the titanic

You do realize that the weight you are talking is fully fueled, oil etc..? Built to be comfortable going from country to country (in the likes of Europe) day after day on a wide range of surfaces. It's not a moto-x bike after all.

yafeetup

12th September 2010, 21:39

You do realize that the weight you are talking is fully fueled, oil etc..? Built to be comfortable going from country to country (in the likes of Europe) day after day on a wide range of surfaces. It's not a moto-x bike after all.

Understand the type of bike,the type of riding they are built for. What I struggle to understand is why cant they build a mullti cylinder adventure bike with a lighter kerb weight

NZsarge

12th September 2010, 21:44

Understand the type of bike,the type of riding they are built for. What I struggle to understand is why cant they build a mullti cylinder adventure bike with a lighter kerb weight

I think it's pretty par for the course among 1200cc multi-purpose bikes, some of the weight will be removed when the obligitory after market can goes on, the original is huge and well weighty.

Ocean1

12th September 2010, 21:53

Understand the type of bike,the type of riding they are built for. What I struggle to understand is why cant they build a mullti cylinder adventure bike with a lighter kerb weight

Had me fookt too, until I remembered that what sells isn't the practical application of contemporary technology. What sells is a weighty marketing arm.

Pity, 'cause the effect of decades of having marketing considerations set the spec's for bikes has made it bloody hard for the market itself to get what it wants.

marks

12th September 2010, 22:12

ferkin porky tinsel toy

we'll all just have to hope that Truimph get it right
They seem to have had a pretty good record over recent years so fingers crossed

I just want a 900 scrambler motor in my klr with no weight increase.....
I'd even consider a 640A with a scrambler motor - at least then the chain would be on the right side

We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious....

_Shrek_

12th September 2010, 22:30

What a whale at 261kg without any other gear on it and $25 grand apiece it may as well join the dinosaures as a fossil. Yea lets go adventure riding the titanic

I've tried it & it weights 12kgs more than my 1150Gs but is lighter on the feet than the Gs handles better than most I've ridden
so unless you have taken one out & tried in the hills or even on the seal, you have no idea what ya talk'n about, so best to :shutup: until ya have :msn-wink:

marks

13th September 2010, 08:07

I've tried it & it weights 12kgs more than my 1150Gs but is lighter on the feet than the Gs handles better than most I've ridden
so unless you have taken one out & tried in the hills or even on the seal, you have no idea what ya talk'n about, so best to :shutup: until ya have :msn-wink:

if you like them and are intending to buy one then more power to you but you are comparing it to one of the heaviest adv bikes ever made. Its seems (massive generalization here) that once you get to 200kg and over most adv riders start to become uncomfortable on the gnarlier tracks that are often the ultimate destination of the rides we go on.

For nz conditions - for those of us (of average skill) who like to regularly do tracks like the 42nd, whanga rd, porika, big river, etc it seems that the 150-180kg range is where we prefer our bikes to be.

to each their own :yes:

_Shrek_

13th September 2010, 08:23

to each their own :yes:

you missed the point mate, the dude was knocking some thing he has probably not even taken out!!! & as you said each to their own :apint:

NZsarge

13th September 2010, 08:56

if you like them and are intending to buy one then more power to you but you are comparing it to one of the heaviest adv bikes ever made. Its seems (massive generalization here) that once you get to 200kg and over most adv riders start to become uncomfortable on the gnarlier tracks that are often the ultimate destination of the rides we go on.

For nz conditions - for those of us (of average skill) who like to regularly do tracks like the 42nd, whanga rd, porika, big river, etc it seems that the 150-180kg range is where we prefer our bikes to be.

to each their own :yes:
If your hoping for a 150-180 kg 1200cc adventure bike then stop, because it's highly highly unlikely, best resign yourself to riding a 650 if you want to play in that weight range. Horses for courses and all that, it's just the way it is. The monster adventure bikes have a different design brief to the smaller 600-650cc ones.

BMWST?

13th September 2010, 10:00

NordieBoy

13th September 2010, 10:32

NZsarge

13th September 2010, 10:41

they are sport tourers in disguise

Yeah, you're onto it I reckon, like a GT/FJR/Concours that can take metal roads and the odd trail in their stride, that's what most of them will be used for and for they'll be brilliant at that. If "off" off road is your bag then 1200cc bikes is'nt the place too look really.

Gremlin

13th September 2010, 11:56

Yeah, you're onto it I reckon, like a GT/FJR/Concours that can take metal roads and the odd trail in their stride, that's what most of them will be used for and for they'll be brilliant at that.
It's a reasonably important category to me. Still in my twenties, I don't want an ST etc as I'm a couple of decades too young and they are too heavy. Don't want a sportsbike as it's going to lose my license, can't handle gravel properly etc. A lot of naked sports tourers aren't practical enough either, givi luggage.

KTM 990 SM is good, but sometimes I wonder if it's tough enough for the rougher stuff, but it is brilliant in the corners. The GS et al, I wonder if they are good enough in the tight stuff, or will their weight and size count against them... Going to have to test ride at some point.

marks

13th September 2010, 11:59

If your hoping for a 150-180 kg 1200cc adventure bike then stop, because it's highly highly unlikely, best resign yourself to riding a 650 if you want to play in that weight range. Horses for courses and all that, it's just the way it is. The monster adventure bikes have a different design brief to the smaller 600-650cc ones.

unless you ride 2 up no one needs a 1200 adv bike ('want ' is a totally different thing :)

I'd be really happy with a 675/800 triple proper adv bike that weighed 180kg
- sort of like a gs800 but with character

I live in hope :yes:

they are sport tourers in disguise

what he said

BMWST?

13th September 2010, 12:15

. The GS et al, I wonder if they are good enough in the tight stuff, or will their weight and size count against them... Going to have to test ride at some point.

a 1200 gs is f all heavier than your bike and nearly as powerful(if not more).I would have bougt a fjr or vfr or k or r series BMW road bike if i didnt have a hankerin to ride gravel roads whenever i find them.The so called adv bikes are also big bikes which to me is good cos i am 6 foot3.I also dont want a 165 hp missile.For me at the mo my ol gs is just fine although at times i wish it were at bit more modern

NZsarge

13th September 2010, 12:19

unless you ride 2 up no one needs a 1200 adv bike ('want ' is a totally different thing :)
If you want to look at it that way, none of us really need a bike full stop but we want to ride bike and we want to ride what we like, need does'nt come into it really.
I'd be really happy with a 675/800 triple proper adv bike that weighed 180kg
- sort of like a gs800 but with character

I live in hope :yes:

Heard rumours, you might just get your wish re: 675 adventure bike.

Gremlin

13th September 2010, 13:40

paper weights are only part of the equation. SM is about 190kg dry, but it was a common comment among reviewers that they wondered where 50kg went. Very well sorted, also narrow, being a fore and aft vtwin

BMWST?

13th September 2010, 14:47

a lot of people are overawed by how big the GS is

Gremlin

13th September 2010, 17:16

a lot of people are overawed by how big the GS is
Who wouldn't be... mate has one, I'm 6'3 and I don't think I could flat foot it when on the centre stand. At least I could probably back it up while straddling... my mate struggles :lol:

With that engine layout the bike is comfortably half the width of a car, don't even need luggage to bulk it up. I see it as a brilliant globe trotter, long distance bike etc, especially with the 33L tank, the problem is, besides build up rides, I'd do a total of 3 rides a year (Grand Challenge, SCRR, TT2000), the rest being more "normal" riding. Having a bike like that and going on a shop ride of 200km seems a bit... overkill. :blink:

Things I really like, big fuel tank, big alternator for accessories, even big enough to be comfortable with pillion etc. The issue, tenere, GS, etc, is size. How do they handle at that size. Can you still flick them through corners like a big motard? My SM, even fully laden with luggage, can still motor through corners, flick from side to side etc.

Gremlin

13th September 2010, 17:32

Ok, now I've watched the videos. I don't even ride my bike that hard, yet I have problems with breaking stuff...

Either stick some panniers and top box, see how she goes for a 1000km a day etc, or gimme, and I'll show you how to break it. Shouldn't even need a year :shit:

BMWST?

13th September 2010, 21:46

Who wouldn't be... mate has one, I'm 6'3 and I don't think I could flat foot it when on the centre stand. At least I could probably back it up while straddling... my mate struggles :lol:

With that engine layout the bike is comfortably half the width of a car, don't even need luggage to bulk it up. I see it as a brilliant globe trotter, long distance bike etc, especially with the 33L tank, the problem is, besides build up rides, I'd do a total of 3 rides a year (Grand Challenge, SCRR, TT2000), the rest being more "normal" riding. Having a bike like that and going on a shop ride of 200km seems a bit... overkill. :blink:

Things I really like, big fuel tank, big alternator for accessories, even big enough to be comfortable with pillion etc. The issue, tenere, GS, etc, is size. How do they handle at that size. Can you still flick them through corners like a big motard? My SM, even fully laden with luggage, can still motor through corners, flick from side to side etc.

You still are talking of how they LOOK.Take one for a ride and see how they FEEL.At 6 3 you should have no trouble flicking them around

warewolf

13th September 2010, 22:20

Who wouldn't be... mate has one, I'm 6'3 and I don't think I could flat foot it when on the centre stand.Why on earth would you want to, or care about, flat-footing it while it's on the stand??? I'm 5'7" and my pointed toes miss the ground on my 640A by a long way. I only know this because I had to go and see for myself after someone else mentioned this bizarre behaviour. Can't see how it would ever help me ride the bike any.

I see it as a brilliant globe trotter, long distance bike etc, especially with the 33L tank, the problem is, besides build up rides, I'd do a total of 3 rides a year (Grand Challenge, SCRR, TT2000)You don't need a bike like that for those rides, just want. I've done several GC's on the 640A.

The issue, tenere, GS, etc, is size. How do they handle at that size. Can you still flick them through corners like a big motard? My SM, even fully laden with luggage, can still motor through corners, flick from side to side etc.Not the same, but different and no less enjoyable. On a bumpy gravelly corner a big adv bike rider is probably going to be cracking the throttle with a big grin, while your arse cheeks are sucking the vinyl off the seat pan and punching out chocolate buttons. :shit: And we know how many bumpy (sealed) roads there are in this fine land, eh?!

On a different note; my fear with the new Triumph bikes is that they will be heavy, and/or have crappy suspension. Have no doubt that they will be another road bike with wide bars and longer travel suspension.

Gremlin

13th September 2010, 23:59

Why on earth would you want to, or care about, flat-footing it while it's on the stand???
Only an observation of size... at 6 foot plus, its not very often you find a bike large :blink: You normally complain there isn't enough space, cramped etc.

You don't need a bike like that for those rides, just want. I've done several GC's on the 640A.
True, to a degree. I have found however, my KTM doesn't seem to be able to handle what I ask of it (which I didn't think was a very tall ask at all). Due to my own restrictions on working with dealers and brands, my options are limited (but my own doing). :mellow:

And we know how many bumpy (sealed) roads there are in this fine land, eh?!
Uh... are there any other types of sealed roads (other than a track of course)? I wouldn't knock long travel suspension tho, its blooming marvellous in this country :D

Devil

14th September 2010, 10:03

Gremlin

14th September 2010, 12:52

I think you should try a standard late model 1200GS. Not the adventure.
Except the GSA has a decent alternator and fuel tank. Any thing else I'm missing?

george formby

14th September 2010, 13:46

Found this on another forum...

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=50530.0

Interesting reading, love the average cruising speed:blink:

Devil

14th September 2010, 14:13

Except the GSA has a decent alternator and fuel tank. Any thing else I'm missing?

Standard GS has same alternator (and output) as far as i'm aware. The main difference is fuel tank, different wheels (mags, not spoked), no crash bars n stuff. Does end up being 20-25kg lighter full of gas.

Devil

14th September 2010, 14:29

Go here: http://experiencebmw.co.nz/?id=117
Select the R1200GS, then technical specs. It'll show you the differences between the two GS's.

Big Dave

14th September 2010, 14:34

Porker porker porker blah blah blah.

All of them are fit for purpose.

If you are as skilled as someone like Stretch they will do the challenge loops on the CCA.

For us mere mortals - they will happily do the non-challenge bits and be a very nice touring bike to ride there - with a passenger. They'll also do quite handily keeping up with dedicated touring bikes in pace and comfort.

If you are big enough and experienced enough to be comfortable on the size bike.

But then all of them I've tested are good. I'd even do the CCA on a Varadero. I wouldn't ride it up the river.

My current favourite is the 4V GS, but I wouldn't say no to a Tenere at all. Fits me very tidily.

I've also ridden several ADV Katooms and didn't like them as much. Better for riding up that river no doubt but I could only describe them as 'harsh' machines. I don't want to race.

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

JATZ

14th September 2010, 17:37

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

:gob: :shit:

Burn him !

_Shrek_

14th September 2010, 18:04

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

:psst: did you hit your head the last time you fell off :blink:

Big Dave

14th September 2010, 18:18

:psst: did you hit your head the last time you fell off :blink:

It's nice on and off road, comfortable enough to tour on and suits my riding style for plonking along single track.

Money no object - New BMW with all the fruit thanks. Tenere just as appreciated.

Something that I'm not going to cry tears of blood for throwing it in a ditch - that I can afford - and can ride up the mythical river - KLR gets the nod over the DR because I find it more comfortable and can sort-of carry the co-pilot on it.

_Shrek_

14th September 2010, 18:25

It's nice on and off road, comfortable enough to tour on and suits my riding style for plonking along single track.

have :ride: one back from the coast did a swap found it a very easy bike to ride :niceone: I was on a 900 scrambler & me mate thought the same as I did not as good on the seal as the KLR
I should have said PT on my last post

Big Dave

14th September 2010, 18:48

have :ride: one back from the coast did a swap found it a very easy bike to ride :niceone: I was on a 900 scrambler & me mate thought the same as I did not as good on the seal as the KLR
I should have said PT on my last post

But that's another one I'd really like too - I've spanked on about how much I like the Scrambler.

It depends on use.
The thread on ADV has over a million views. Lucky it was one of my best bits!

I just see the KLR as the 'middle ground' in most departments.

>>I should have said PT on my last post<<

Me? stir the pot? neva!

Crim

14th September 2010, 19:08

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

Big Dave for President :Punk:

Padmei

14th September 2010, 19:44

Lets get back to the Ten.
I'd love to ride one (or a big GS/A) from one end to the other.Looks velly velly comfortable. Potential silly question - Do they have fuel guages?

Crim

14th September 2010, 19:56

Lets get back to the Ten.
Do they have fuel guages?

218680

Fuel guage to the right and has range on it somewhere by all accounts

Big Dave

14th September 2010, 20:13

I liked the dash and tenere cockpit a lot.

Box'a'bits

14th September 2010, 20:16

A KTM640A with a Ninja 600 twin :Punk:
Nah, it all got too hard & he stopped (didn't he?).

_Shrek_

14th September 2010, 20:30

Lets get back to the Ten.
I'd love to ride one (or a big GS/A) from one end to the other.Looks velly velly comfortable. Potential silly question - Do they have fuel guages?

not only the gauge, push a button tells you how many k's left what you're getting per ltr etc etc etc lotsa fun to ride any where :Punk:

pete376403

14th September 2010, 22:46

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

never a truer word...

marks

14th September 2010, 23:28

Big Dave for President :Punk:

:yes:  

Padmei

15th September 2010, 07:47

Nice cockpit indeed. I wonder when an integrated mobile phone & gps will be a standard feature on some of these top end bikes. Seriously! I don't think it'd go amiss with the punters.

NordieBoy

15th September 2010, 07:54

Nah, it all got too hard & he stopped (didn't he?).

Postponed...

Just like his AC Cobra rep...

NZsarge

15th September 2010, 08:31

My opinion on the best 'compromise' of all of them is a KLR650.

So how does the 660 Tenere stack up?

Night Falcon

15th September 2010, 08:40

Nice cockpit indeed. I wonder when an integrated mobile phone & gps will be a standard feature on some of these top end bikes. Seriously! I don't think it'd go amiss with the punters.

Honda Goldwing-adventure...:shutup:

Big Dave

15th September 2010, 11:14

So how does the 660 Tenere stack up?

Good point - I've not ridden one. Only done a XT660 and I found the seat was like sitting on a plank after 20 minutes. But that doesn't answer the question.

clint640

15th September 2010, 11:53

So how does the 660 Tenere stack up?

It stacks up about $6K more than a KLR for no big difference in spec or performance. Looks way cooler though.

Cheers
Clint

Gremlin

15th September 2010, 12:12

Nice cockpit indeed. I wonder when an integrated mobile phone & gps will be a standard feature on some of these top end bikes.
:bash:

I wouldn't want that. NZ has the Open GPS Maps, therefore, you use Garmin devices. What if Yamaha put a Tom Tom or Navman GPS in? Why would you use another mobile phone as well? Garmin Zumo can use bluetooth to talk to your existing phone...

Or do I just have too many toys... :wacko: :whistle:

K slider

15th September 2010, 12:15

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1129805598]Why the fuck anyone would buy a new BMW big adventure bike now is beyond me. Oh that's right....it has the badge.[The GS is a shit load lighter]

Oscar

15th September 2010, 12:19

It stacks up about $6K more than a KLR for no big difference in spec or performance. Looks way cooler though.

Cheers
Clint

Both new Tenere's suffer from a whole buncha of breakable stuff hanging in the breeze, just waiting to be busted.

I think the big T is pretty cool as a GS1200 competitor, but for full on Adv Riding, it is too big and simply not as good as the KTM.

Big Dave

15th September 2010, 12:22

Honda Goldwing-adventure...:shutup:

They slide lovely. The six is like a turbine on gravel and it's all low down mass.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiwirider/3908474689/" title="Honda Goldwing-13 by KIWIRIDER, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3908474689_92f9245dbc.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Honda Goldwing-13" /></a>

BMWST?

15th September 2010, 12:40

True, to a degree. I have found however, my KTM doesn't seem to be able to handle what I ask of it (which I didn't think was a very tall ask at all). Due to my own restrictions on working with dealers and brands, my options are limited (but my own doing). :mellow:

I've also ridden several ADV Katooms and didn't like them as much. Better for riding up that river no doubt but I could only describe them as 'harsh' machines. I don't want to race.

Intersting.I rode a 950 SM(T?) and i didnt like it.It was fantastic if you were hard on the gas or brakes or scooting through corners,but it sure didnt feel happy just cruisin along.What is it about your KTM that you dont like Gremlin?.I still look at the 990 adv with interest

Big Dave

15th September 2010, 13:10

Gremlin

15th September 2010, 14:28

Intersting.I rode a 950 SM(T?) and i didnt like it.It was fantastic if you were hard on the gas or brakes or scooting through corners,but it sure didnt feel happy just cruisin along.What is it about your KTM that you dont like Gremlin?.I still look at the 990 adv with interest
Well... to be brutal... it keeps breaking. :sweatdrop I've broken the rear subframe twice already, first time took around a year to be properly broken (33,000km), second time took about 8500km and it was showing signs of cracking. I've broken a sump bolt, sheared right off, another was on the way to following it, lost all the bolts holding an exhaust can onto the bike (must have been vibes?) and dinged the front wheel. While Marchesini wheels, they're supposed to be strong. The way its been described to me, I needed to pull a wheelie, then land into the curb... uh... didn't do that, there would have been a lot of bruising :eek5: Can only guess the superior suspension is hiding the real impact from potholes etc.

Take my experience with a few grains of salt. I do put the bike through its paces (even seems I overheated the suspension fluids) but its the best bike I've owned, created a high standard for bikes to live up to... just wonder if something else would offer the great handling, ability etc, without the breaking... :rolleyes:

edit: oh, and its been reasonably modded. SMT seat (stock for long distance, jail might have been easier) and pannier racks, and some electronic goodies and some other things. Got the shop going up the line to find out how much the alternator can generate (max of 450W at 6k rpm, need to know 4k) because I want to add something more. On that note, it is good. TWO auxiliary circuits, 10A each. Using half of each already.

Devil

15th September 2010, 14:59

Heh, thats why they called KTM. Keep Throwing Money.
Bolts falling off is just life for KTM's.

That said, i'd buy one again.

Gremlin

15th September 2010, 15:12

Heh, thats why they called KTM. Keep Throwing Money.
Bolts falling off is just life for KTM's.
If you want to see a grown man cry, this is about as good a method as any. Last service was a big one, suspension also serviced. 17hrs labour from memory, totalled out at $2140 ish. :crazy:

NZsarge

15th September 2010, 15:28

If you want to see a grown man cry, this is about as good a method as any. Last service was a big one, suspension also serviced. 17hrs labour from memory, totalled out at $2140 ish. :crazy:

WTF! :slap::gob: I'd be asking for a $1500 discount.

Big Dave

15th September 2010, 16:18

Last big service on my Buell was around $280. It does need a trip to Norm Cobb though. Rear shock is a bit weepy.

There are reasons I own the Thunderstorm motor more than just the character of it. :yes:

NordieBoy

15th September 2010, 16:23

They slide lovely. The six is like a turbine on gravel and it's all low down mass.

Lots and lots of low down mass.

Squiggles

15th September 2010, 16:52

Night Falcon

15th September 2010, 17:41

They slide lovely. The six is like a turbine on gravel and it's all low down mass.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiwirider/3908474689/" title="Honda Goldwing-13 by KIWIRIDER, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3908474689_92f9245dbc.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Honda Goldwing-13" /></a>

I like it....what they like on river crossings though??:eek5:

Big Dave

15th September 2010, 18:10

The sign or the right says road flooded, but I saw it to read 'opportunity'.

Riding on my own. 400+ kg bike. And a swamp.

OK, bad opportunity.218723

Let's just say I'm glad it had reverse gear and that hill looks steeper riding back up it.

junkmanjoe

15th September 2010, 20:14

you got reverse .....................:woohoo:

wish i had reverse a couple time......:yes: but i just do a 95 point U turn and we good..:crazy:

JMJ

marks

15th September 2010, 20:47

Yamaha make a better adventure-tourer for NZ conditions than the super 10

the TDM900

pete376403

15th September 2010, 21:04

It stacks up about $6K more than a KLR for no big difference in spec or performance. Looks way uglier though.

Cheers
Clint

Fixed!;)
(10 chars)

warewolf

15th September 2010, 21:17

the TDM900Yeah I's bin thinking the same thing. I had a 1992 TDM850 and really enjoyed it (geez that's nearly 20 years ago !! :gob:). About 200kg dry weight. I remembering it being top heavy but not heavy. I think I'd get a later 900 as a two-up machine rather than an old boxer... far, far more dynamic package it seems.

How do people rate the F800GS vs the litre-plus bikes (super ten et al)?

Padmei

16th September 2010, 07:46

How do people rate the F800GS vs the litre-plus bikes (super ten et al)?

I haven't ridden any new big bikes but I breifly rode a F800GS & although smoother then the KLR, I didn't think it had much more power.

george formby

16th September 2010, 09:41

Yamaha make a better adventure-tourer for NZ conditions than the super 10

the TDM900

:woohoo:
Prefer my 8fiddy though, feels more nimble in the curves & better ergos standing up. Just keeps going & going.

BMWST?

16th September 2010, 15:19

Yeah I's bin thinking the same thing. I had a 1992 TDM850 and really enjoyed it (geez that's nearly 20 years ago !! :gob:). About 200kg dry weight. I remembering it being top heavy but not heavy. I think I'd get a later 900 as a two-up machine rather than an old boxer... far, far more dynamic package it seems.

How do people rate the F800GS vs the litre-plus bikes (super ten et al)?

seriously considered a tdm 900 ,if there was a xtz 900 would a bought one.....The old beemers are very nicely balanced much less top heavy than they look,even the PD with 35 litres on board never feels top heavy.

george formby

16th September 2010, 15:47

seriously considered a tdm 900 ,if there was a xtz 900 would a bought one.....The old beemers are very nicely balanced much less top heavy than they look,even the PD with 35 litres on board never feels top heavy.

A few folk are trying to figure out how to cross breed TDM's with XTZ 660''s to create just that. Would be sminky.

Hitcher

16th September 2010, 20:25

Got my first look at a Tenere 1200 today. It was being dekitsetted. Nice.

BMWST?

16th September 2010, 21:49

Got my first look at a Tenere 1200 today. It was being dekitsetted. Nice.

there is already a dekitsetted S12 at TSS,or has that been sold already?I guess we should really call them S12 seeing the 750 is called the S10?

thepom

17th September 2010, 00:53

I,ve always liked the tdm 850 and 900 and am stunned that no one has tried to put a 21 inch front wheel on one......if I ever get rid of my africa twin then that would be my next bike with a view to putting on a 21 inch front...one way or another....

george formby

17th September 2010, 09:13

thepom

17th September 2010, 09:52

sadly its started to rumble at idle and is in poor condition in general so might tear it down and overhaul the engine and lose some of the plastics....

Eddieb

29th September 2010, 06:36

Size Comparison, R1150GSA vrs Super Tenere 1200

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e291/Olddog750/P1000088.jpg

Crisis management

11th October 2010, 06:43

I th\iought I would dredge this up as I have been slagging off the Teneres' as fat barstards and I may have to eat a bit of that.....
I was at the Sandpit yesterday doing my usual impersonation of a rolling road block on the 200 when I spotted a Tenere trundling around! A brief chat later and I have to give the rider credit for punting that thing around in the sand, he does acknowledge it's a bit tubby but he was getting around readily enough (I'm too scared to take the 640 in there, I may never get out again) so it is a real adventure bike!

Admitedly it is the "little" Tenere but it looked good and with Akras on sounded even better.

I will now go and look for a hat to chew on.

Oscar

11th October 2010, 07:56

I th\iought I would dredge this up as I have been slagging off the Teneres' as fat barstards and I may have to eat a bit of that.....
I was at the Sandpit yesterday doing my usual impersonation of a rolling road block on the 200 when I spotted a Tenere trundling around! A brief chat later and I have to give the rider credit for punting that thing around in the sand, he does acknowledge it's a bit tubby but he was getting around readily enough (I'm too scared to take the 640 in there, I may never get out again) so it is a real advcenture bike!

Admitedly it is the "little" Tenere but it looked good and with Akras on sounded even better.

I will now go and look for a hat to chew on.

I have no doubt that it's an Adv Bike - it's just not at the hard end of the scale (and it's too expensive IMHO).

http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Raetihi-Sept-2010/Cold-Kiwi-Weekend-2010-061/997931639_oJpvU-M.jpg

BMWST?

11th October 2010, 08:08

I have no doubt that it's an Adv Bike - it's just not at the hard end of the scale (and it's too expensive IMHO).
agreed still gonna try one tho

Taz

11th October 2010, 08:43

(I'm too scared to take the 640 in there, I may never get out again) so it is a real adventure bike!

Possibly it has nothing to do with the bike...... :lol:

Crisis management

11th October 2010, 10:28

Possibly it has nothing to do with the bike...... :lol:

What's this "possibly" bit? I thought it was a well proven fact that I am the most carefull and nana like of adventure riders..........:scooter:

Eddieb

18th October 2010, 13:51

Serious Super Ten pRon

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=626274

NZsarge

18th October 2010, 13:56

Liked everything accept the coloured fairing blade, that was naff. Some nice kit in there though, just quietly.

Taz

19th October 2010, 10:57

I still don't get it.....

Squiggles

8th November 2010, 12:03

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/11/super-ten-dream-worldcrosser.html

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Digitdion

10th November 2010, 07:47

I rode the super tenere the other week. A nice bike. Yeah its heavy but well designed as once moving you do not notice it at all. Engine has loads of low down grunt. Yamaha say its not to compete with the 1200gs. Thats a load of bull shit as this bike is a japanese version of the bmw in my honest opinion. Size wise they feel exactly the same. A nice bike. But i will stick with my 990.

Oscar

10th November 2010, 08:27

Shadowjack

4th December 2010, 10:48

Finally got around to having a short ride on this thing. At 1.96m, my prime concern was cockpit size - even with the seat in the low position, this is a bike that fit pretty much like a glove. Comfort? - what Big Dave said. With a strong-ish headwind, more than enough power to push my 125kg windsock shape along without wringing it's neck. I was more than happy with the TDM850 - what have I gone and done...

NZsarge

4th December 2010, 11:29

I was more than happy with the TDM850 - what have I gone and done...

Buy the Super Ten, chuck some Dunlop Roadsmart's on it and go hard... :Punk::niceone:

cold comfort

4th December 2010, 18:02

Crim

4th December 2010, 19:52

"Sold" my Multi- almost feels like I'm paying someone to take it away but that's depreciation and market forces i guess. However, weather permitting am taking a S/T for a tour next weekend (courtesy of MCR) so should be interesting. (Also want to check out a 990 and it would be great to compare the new Triumph as well before decoding ).

Decoding - is it getting that technical? :innocent: seriously keep us up to date on your thoughts and what you decide and your thoughts on bikes tested - all information is good to file away for when I win lottery or manage to sell wife or one of the kids

Moki

8th December 2010, 23:10

Hired one of these for the Burt the other week and did a couple thou kms on it. Fantastic balance and low-down torque. It's heavier than an 1150GSA but feels much lighter, actually. Very nice rig with big carrying capacity although shit stock panniers. Pretty cool adjustable seat and that S/T mode button. Pity about leaving the grip heaters out.:facepalm:

Quite smooth when plodding along. Give it some stick and the motor feels more like a V-twin. Prolly somefink to do with the 270 degree crank layout, although I'm sure there's a bit of some variable valve jiggerypokery going on there as well. Very impressive lump.

So, would I get one? No. Not impressive enough to give up both the GSA and KLR for.

TINA RAY

17th July 2012, 23:24

Hi,
I have just found and joined Kiwibiker
Haven't been back in the country long and am looking to do some excursions.
Are there any other owners in Auckland ?

gammaguy

17th July 2012, 23:37

shock

yamaha super ten in thread back from dead shocker:bleh:

NordieBoy

18th July 2012, 08:42

Shock

Someone has actually got an S10/12

Eddieb

18th July 2012, 09:28

Hi,
I have just found and joined Kiwibiker
Haven't been back in the country long and am looking to do some excursions.
Are there any other owners in Auckland ?

Welcome Tina

Ignore the 2 above, not much of a welcoming committe really. I've only seen one Super Tenere 1200 on the road in NZ, there doesn't seem to be many around unless they are all hiding somewhere.

Oscar

18th July 2012, 09:45

Welcome Tina

Ignore the 2 above, not much of a welcoming committe really. I've only seen one Super Tenere 1200 on the road in NZ, there doesn't seem to be many around unless they are all hiding somewhere.

They is what they is - a big multiroad tourer - and very good at it.
http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Raetihi-Sept-2010/Cold-Kiwi-Weekend-2010-056/997928623_JQ8DB-M.jpg

Much like a GS1200 or the new Trumpy...
http://oscar.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Raetihi-Sept-2010/Cold-Kiwi-Weekend-2010-051/997924899_vugSH-M.jpg

NordieBoy

18th July 2012, 10:05

I've never seen one on the road.

Wonder how well they sold here?

They're only slightly heavier than a 990Adv.

Oscar

18th July 2012, 11:16

I've never seen one on the road.

Wonder how well they sold here?

They're only slightly heavier than a 990Adv.

Slightly heavier?
35-40 kgs at least...

NordieBoy

18th July 2012, 12:49

Slightly heavier?
35-40 kgs at least...

Oops, it's the Beemer they're about the same as.

Oscar

18th July 2012, 12:56

Oops, it's the Beemer they're about the same as.

So, about the same as coastal tanker?

http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/cargo-ship-coastal-oil-tanker-shipyard-195926.jpg

GPS MAN

18th July 2012, 16:04

I'd rather have the tanker:lol:

Oscar

18th July 2012, 16:09

I'd rather have the tanker:lol:

It probably has a smaller turning circle...

NordieBoy

18th July 2012, 16:22

It probably has a smaller turning circle...

And uses less oil...

Night Falcon

18th July 2012, 17:52

I'd rather have the tanker:lol:

the running costs are slightly more for the tanker, but we know what ya mean :D

Waipukbiker

18th July 2012, 18:21

Welcome to the forum Tina, Charming lot arnt they. Happy trails on your new big beastie.

TINA RAY

19th July 2012, 22:09

Welcome to the forum Tina, Charming lot arnt they. Happy trails on your new big beastie.

Thank you

I am heading to Gisborne on the MMMMM weekend.

I will try and coincide my journey to meet on the intersection of the Waikaremona road.
If that is ok with the organisers ?
10 am ish ?

_Shrek_

20th July 2012, 00:11

welcome to KB Tina & if you're looking for adventure pack ya kit & come south :msn-wink:

clint640

20th July 2012, 08:17

Thank you

I am heading to Gisborne on the MMMMM weekend.

I will try and coincide my journey to meet on the intersection of the Waikaremona road.
If that is ok with the organisers ?
10 am ish ?

The MMMMM is a fairly loosely organised thing from Minginui on, anyone is welcome to join in at any stage. Which intersection do you mean? We will be at the Mingnui Rd - Waikaremoana Rd intersection 9-9:30am.

Cheers
Clint

Rosie

20th July 2012, 08:22

Shewolf

20th July 2012, 08:43

welcome Tina, look forward to meeting you on the mmmmm :banana:

Crisis management

20th July 2012, 09:48

I've never seen one on the road.

I've ridden with one (loose interpretation of "ridden with") a couple of times with Sues' Auckland gravel road mob and it's not been up with the 990s' in performance although it's hard to measure a bike unless ridden back to back. Goes ok on gravel although hard to pass as they take up so much room and put up a bit of a roost.... on Mr Birchs fund raiser, I pushed the bloody thing up a sand dune a couple of times and they do weigh as much as a BMW and it struggled on the Muriwai sand (25kms of beach), it was soft seeing as the tide was in (oops!) but the 990s' were coping ok while the Tenere was doing a beaching whale impersonation. I was tank slapping most of the way on the 640 tho, so it really was soft going.
I would have thought it was the same as the other fat pigs (BMW, 990, Triumph etc) generally, but I am not a good big bike rider as was evidenced by my 990 always trying to kill me.

nic

20th July 2012, 17:36

Welcome Tina,

Hope to see you out on the MMMMM :cold:

Shadowjack

20th July 2012, 19:44

Kia ora, Tina,
Not Auckland, but I saw three S10's at the TT2000 this year. Don't know where they were from.
The S10 is out there...

Night Falcon

20th July 2012, 20:15

a mate of my brothers bought one the first year they came out. Hes one of those blokes who has to be first to own a new model bike, but he wont ride it on gravel...go figure? As far as i know he still has it but dosn't ride it much cos hes got 7 other bikes to ride. I offered to test it for him off road which he agreed to...I just need spot a flying pig first :eek5:

_Shrek_

20th July 2012, 22:30